97up-list-digest Saturday, May 22 1999 Volume 02 : Number 136



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 97up - Noisy leaf springs
FTE 97up - 2000 F150-4 door
RE: FTE 97up - in America we still get to choose our vehicles
RE: FTE 97up - a question about towing (engines and EPA bashers)
RE: FTE 97up - any word on Excursions?
Re: FTE 97up - any word on Excursions?
Re: FTE 97up - Rear window removal
Re: FTE 97up - a question about towing (engines and EPA bashers)
RE: FTE 97up - a question about towing (engines and EPA bashers)
RE: FTE 97up - a question about towing (engines and EPA bashers)
FTE 97up - Intro and questions
FTE 97up - EPA standards
Re: FTE 97up - 2000 F150-4 door
Re: FTE 97up - 2000 F150-4 door
FTE 97up - Clean Burning Fuel and the Economic Impact
Re: FTE 97up - Clean Burning Fuel and the Economic Impact
RE: FTE 97up - Clean Burning Fuel and the Economic Impact
Re: FTE 97up - in America we still get to choose our vehicles
Re: FTE 97up - in America we still get to choose our vehicles
FTE 97up - ADMIN: Peggy
Re: FTE 97up - in America we still get to choose our vehicles
Re: FTE 97up - in America we still get to choose our vehicles
Re: FTE 97up - a question about towing (engines and EPA bashers)
Re: FTE 97up - ADMIN: Peggy

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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 17:07:46 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Noisy leaf springs

They still don't have a fix for the noise (well they have the fix, just
don't have the TSB or parts to do it) so we should hear something in the
next month or so.

Nathan

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Strukel, Mike
To:
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 11:30 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - Noisy leaf springs


> I called my dealer this morning and talked to him about the problem I was
> having with the squeaky spring eye bushings on the front leafs on my
> superduty. He has seen a number of trucks with this problem and said
that
> Ford has told them that a fix should be available in mid June. He
> suggested that I remove the bolt and grease it. Has anyone had any luck
> with this? i have already tried WD40 and Silcon spray, but that only
lasts
> a couple days.
>
> Nathan: Any temp fixes for this? It is driving me crazy!
>
>
> Mike Strukel
> 99 F250SD 4x4, 2" Superlift, 35x12.50 BFG Mud terrains
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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 09:09:04 -0400
From: "Kenneth J. Nagy"
Subject: FTE 97up - 2000 F150-4 door

Does anyone have any info on availability, options, etc. for the new 4 door
F150. My Explorer lease is up soon, and I want an F150 this time. This
truck would sure suit my needs better.

Been following the group for about a month now. There is some great
information passed along through here.

Thanks,
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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 09:17:55 -0500
From: "Chris Patrick"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - in America we still get to choose our vehicles

ok.. perhaps its me, but people are still missing the point so ill make it
clear..

** I ** am not trying to tell ANYONE what to drive, YOUR PUBLICALLY
ELECTED GOVERNMENT is. You choose to live in a democratic republic, aka,
America.
guess what.. dispite what 2nd grade cartoons tell you, FREEDOM (and yes im a
veteran of the gulf war)
is not the ability to do whatever you want.. its the ability to elect like
minded government officials
who will do your thinking for you. the problem inherent in the system is
that in such a government,
the majority, or the loudest, or the best funded groups tend to *win*..
especially in the name of
the *common good*.

if you dont like the way things are, get some people together that think
like you do, and lobby your govenrment..
MAYBE, you will outnumber the greenies and naderites disagree with you.

I have to deal with it on three fronts. our 4x4 activitys, while we practice
tread lightly, and generally creat less of a mess than the hikers who try to
ban us, have been under fire for years, with many PUBLIC LANDS closed to the
4x4 groups who
also pay taxes to use the land. Likewise, boats and jetskis have been banned
from waters that are considered PUBLIC. and lastly, trucks.

the whole point i was trying to make is that the automaker DONT make the
decision, the government does, and you elect the government. if you look at
my original post, i started it with "the other side of the arguement".






> > ...so you have a half ton truck, a jeep, and a boat AND you
> still feel like
> > you can tell other people what they shouldn't be driving,
> huh? Just for an
> > example, you might be using more fuel than the guy who owns
> only a 1-ton
> > dually and drives it for his personal use vehicle. And what
> about when the
> > guy who owns a Honda Civic and a push mower tells you that
> YOU're using too
> > much fuel? I respect your right to choose the vehicles you
> drive and how
> > much you're willing to pay to fuel them. I just wish you'd
> respect the
> > choices others make for equally valid reasons of their own....
>
> This is one of the biggest problems America faces -- too many
> people trying
> to grab control of our decisions "for our own good".
>
> If I choose to buy a dump truck for my daily commute to work,
> and pay the
> taxes and registration, this is my decision. However, I
> resent the fact
> that there are people out there who want to shove everyone in
> AMC Gremlin
> like cars "for their own good".

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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 09:25:03 -0500
From: "Chris Patrick"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - a question about towing (engines and EPA bashers)

> Yeah, its true that you don't need a medium duty truck to do
> most normal
> things, but there is also the issue of money. Some people
> needs to tow
> large loads a few times a year, and after spending $30,000 on
> a truck,

add up your gas expense. i alot of cases, the savings in gas weekly can
offset the costof a second or third vehicle.....


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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 07:30:08 -0700
From: "Larry Drum"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - any word on Excursions?

Ross,

>From what I can tell, they will be on the Dealer Lots in the Next few
Months. I live in Bullhead City, Arizona, just South of Ford's Western
Region Proving Grounds. We see all the new vehicles out on the road with
all sorts of weights and gadgets on them to see how they run. It Looks
SWEET in person! Flipping HUGE Too!!! Look Out GMC!

Just my two Coins worth...

Larry Drum
Captain, CHP Explorer Post #834
Needles Area
Webmaster - www.chpexplorer.org

'99 F-150 XL, Bright Red, 2WD, 4.2 V-6, 5 Spd. 3.55 LS, BugFlector II, Vent
Visors, Rhino Lining Bed Liner. Maxon 40 Channel W/10 Channel Weather CB.
Maxon "Through the Glass" CB Antenna (Awesome Performance) W/Weather Band.
(Lowering Kit Coming Soon :o).

Sound System :o) -

Alpine In Dish 6 Disk Changer/Receiver Head Unit (Alpine Model # MDA-W890).
4 Infinity Kappa Series 5 X 7 Door and Rear Panel Speakers. 2 Cerwin Vega
Stealth Series 12" Sub Woofers in a Custom Enclosure Behind the Seat
(Regular Cab). 1 - Sherwood 250 Watt x 4 Channel Amplifier Bridged to 500
Watts X 2 Channels Pushing the Subs, 1 - Pioneer 75 Watt X 4 Channel
Amplifier Pushing the Infinitiy's. All Cable and Wiring by Monster Cable.
Power Distribution Blocks by Monster Cable.


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[mailto:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com] On Behalf Of RSnovi aol.com
Sent:Thursday, May 20, 1999 10:12 PM
To:97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject:FTE 97up - any word on Excursions?

Reason i am asking is for my mom , she really likes my F250SD PSD/SC/4x4.
She is getting ready to unload(for sale) a 97 GMC 1500 4x4 suburban,loaded
that was used mostly on highway, horse trailer pulling, around town, etc.
Wants to know how long it might be for a Excursion probably w/ V10, its
either that or she will be looking for a fairly new 2500 4x4 'burban. The
1/2
ton just doesnt like those big horses.
Thanks in advance for any info.

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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 08:43:15 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - any word on Excursions?

They are supposed to be introduced the beginning of October. They are
scheduling orders now, however they say that by introduction they will have
3,000 built meaning that many of the 4400 Ford dealers still won't have had
one yet. That means that prices will probably be high for the first while.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.

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From:
To:
Sent: Friday, May 21, 1999 12:11 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - any word on Excursions?


> Reason i am asking is for my mom , she really likes my F250SD PSD/SC/4x4.
> She is getting ready to unload(for sale) a 97 GMC 1500 4x4 suburban,loaded
> that was used mostly on highway, horse trailer pulling, around town, etc.
> Wants to know how long it might be for a Excursion probably w/ V10, its
> either that or she will be looking for a fairly new 2500 4x4 'burban. The
1/2
> ton just doesnt like those big horses.
> Thanks in advance for any info.
>
> Ross S
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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 08:24:25 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Rear window removal

I think there on the bottom side of the window opening.

Nathan

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Fairleigh
To:
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 1999 11:16 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Rear window removal


> Where are these tabs, Nathan? And thanks much for your input on this.
>
> Mike Fairleigh
> mikef sky.net
> ...Always remembering our veterans.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Union Auto
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Date: Thursday, May 20, 1999 5:03 PM
> Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Rear window removal
>
>
> >Have the dealer check to make sure the tabs are broken off or bent over
if
> >you have the slider. There are two tabs on the metal where the window
> >attaches that are supposed to be removed or bent down on trucks with the
> >slider.
>


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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 11:35:22 -0400
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - a question about towing (engines and EPA bashers)

I doubt it. Add in the extra taxes, auto insurance, registration fees,
maintenance, etc. and having two cars will be more expensive, no matter how
much you save in gas by using the second car.

Keith

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From: Chris Patrick
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Friday, May 21, 1999 10:24 AM
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - a question about towing (engines and EPA bashers)



>add up your gas expense. i alot of cases, the savings in gas weekly can
>offset the costof a second or third vehicle.....
>
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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 10:44:07 -0500 (CDT)
From: Sandman
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - a question about towing (engines and EPA bashers)

On Fri, 21 May 1999, Chris Patrick wrote:

> add up your gas expense. i alot of cases, the savings in gas weekly can
> offset the costof a second or third vehicle.....
>
>

That would take a long time. Consider you spend $20 a week on gas(or
diesel) compared to $6-7 with a death trap. It still takes a while for
that price offset to equal $20K that a regular family car costs today.

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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 11:19:38 -0500
From: "Chris Patrick"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - a question about towing (engines and EPA bashers)

i was commuting 50-60 miles a day.. it ALMOST completely offset them for
me...especially since i had an older
less reliable chevy 454 p/u, and putting 300+miles a week was taking its
toll on maintenance. i bough a new
car, with a 5 yr, 100k mile powertrain and 3/36 bumper to bumper warranty,
and operating costs were negligable.

> I doubt it. Add in the extra taxes, auto insurance,
> registration fees,
> maintenance, etc. and having two cars will be more expensive,
> no matter how
> much you save in gas by using the second car.
>
> Keith
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Patrick
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Date: Friday, May 21, 1999 10:24 AM
> Subject: RE: FTE 97up - a question about towing (engines and
> EPA bashers)
>
>
>
> >add up your gas expense. i alot of cases, the savings in gas
> weekly can
> >offset the costof a second or third vehicle.....

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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 13:55:57 -0400
From: "D'Amelio, Stephen M."
Subject: FTE 97up - Intro and questions

Hello all,

I just subscribed to the list, so be kind...

My name is Steve and I recently purchased a "lease return" 97 F-150 Lariat.
All the goodies
(leather, 6 CD, tow package, 5.4 etc.). These are great deals BTW, since
someone else
took the initial depreciation hit. The truck has 20K on the odometer and is
still under
the "bumper to bumper" for a while.

I was a good boy and read through many digest copies of the list before
subscribing. There
where many articles that raised my brows a bit.

First, some background on myself. I have never owned a pickup before, but
have
owned three Broncos. A 73, an 85 and a 91. I have an extensive past in 4
wheeling
in New England, but basically gave up the hobby a few years back. I also own
a
70 Mustang (351C) but that's another hobby... I use the truck to haul a
25ft Cabin
cruiser. The boat weighs in at about 3 tons, and the trailer another 900lbs.
or so.
So far I am pleased at the performance of the truck when towing. My Bronco
used to have this task, and the wheelbase was a bit too short to keep the
trailer in line. The 351W in the Bronco pulled the boat OK, but it seems the
5.4
is doing a better all-around job through it's rpm and torque range.

Speaking of torque, I was wondering what they did to the 99's to get the
additional 25hp and 15 ft/lbs of torque. I think my truck has gobs of power,
but I always would welcome more.

Now, on to my questions/comments:

I have the side exhaust, is this a major concern? I do plan on inspecting
the
brake drums soon. BTW, I also have already experienced the brake lockup
problem when just underway. Actually it happened at the end of my driveway
and cleared up at the next use of the brakes.

I would like to upgrade the tires, both in quality and size. I can NOT keep
these tires on the ground (rear) when the roads are wet. I am supposed to
have limited slip, but have yet to confirm it. If I do, it sure don't work
like
my Mustang (read very tight clutch packs).

I realize that I need to change the
speedo gear, and have done this many times in the past (I still have a half
dozen of these gears in my garage somewhere). I was more concerned
with the effect (of bigger tires) on the anti-lock systems and the
electronic
tranny. Anyone know if one can re-program this thing?

I also have a bit of a "clunk" when putting the truck into reverse. I
have experienced this many times in many vehicles. It usually
is attributed to slack in the yoke/pinion gear. There is some
by design. I would not recommend tightening this, it is
a crush collar design and you can do more harm than good.

And one last question, a bit embarrassing from someone who
11 years ago built the motor in my truck from the ground up,
where are the spark plugs/coils located in a 5.4 engine?
I'm guessing the may have put them under the valve covers,
but considering the cams are atop the heads, It doesn't seem
likely.

Thanks, looking forward to some good discussions
and info!



Steve D'Amelio
Systems Administrator
CVS/Pharmacy
1 CVS Drive
Woonsocket, RI 02895
401-765-1500 x3351 FAX 401-762-4607
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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 11:35:02 -0700
From: "Robert Benne"
Subject: FTE 97up - EPA standards

You are absolutely right. The world seems to be run by those who whine the
loudest. My observation is that the move to bigger trucks is directly
proprotional to the decrease in HP, performance and towing capacity brought
on by regulation. Is my next truck going to have to be a custom confiqured
tractor-truck just to continue to tow livestock to market?
Also not realized is that the world is not flat (I thought Christopher
Columbus did this for us many years ago, but I guess our government has
forgotten). With a 5% loss in HP for every 1000 ft of elevation, you can
create a real problem with the HP to pull a trailer up the hills we have out
West.
As usual, there is no thinking outside the box. Mining, Ranching, farming,
building, service business and may other uses that require hauling/towing
heavy loads need higher HP and better performance. It does not require
necessarily new engines, rather a retune of existing engines and a
realization that the economy which gives govt its revenue needs to be able
to perform its functions and trucks are a big part of it.
Yes - I posted my comments to the EPA and encourage ALL to do the same.
Make your voice hear....


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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 09:46:10 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 2000 F150-4 door

The Crew cab F-150 won't be out until after the 1st of the year. I don't
know exactly when, but Ford has told us that both the F-150 Crew cab and
Explorer Sport trac will both be available the first part of next year.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc
unionaut adiis.net

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From: Kenneth J. Nagy
To: ford
Sent: Friday, May 21, 1999 8:09 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - 2000 F150-4 door


> Does anyone have any info on availability, options, etc. for the new 4
door
> F150. My Explorer lease is up soon, and I want an F150 this time. This
> truck would sure suit my needs better.
>
> Been following the group for about a month now. There is some great
> information passed along through here.
>
> Thanks,
> Ken
>
>
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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 15:08:45 -0400
From: Chris Akers
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 2000 F150-4 door

Union Auto wrote:
> The Crew cab F-150 won't be out until after the 1st of the year. I don't
> know exactly when, but Ford has told us that both the F-150 Crew cab and

Hey Nathan,

Do you know if there is any intention to offer a real size bed with
the F150 crew cab, or will the "rumble bed" be the only option? :-)
Please please please say they're going to make one on the long wheelbase
chassis!?!?

Thanks,
jC.
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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 12:09:23 -0700
From: "Robert Benne"
Subject: FTE 97up - Clean Burning Fuel and the Economic Impact

Here's a thought - if state andlocal govt REALLY wanted to have clean
burning fuel, maybe they would reduce the amount of gas taxes currently
charged (avg around $.40/gallon) to offset increase of reformulating the
fuel. Opps - forgot - govt doen't produce ANY goods or services and they
aren't about to give up their revenue streams!


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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 14:25:46 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Douglas R. Floyd"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Clean Burning Fuel and the Economic Impact

>
> Here's a thought - if state andlocal govt REALLY wanted to have clean
> burning fuel, maybe they would reduce the amount of gas taxes currently
> charged (avg around $.40/gallon) to offset increase of reformulating the
> fuel. Opps - forgot - govt doen't produce ANY goods or services and they
> aren't about to give up their revenue streams!

Even better, what about a 10% tax on compacts and a larger tax on subcompacts
to cover the cost to the American people when people who drive these tin
cans go to the hospital?

>
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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 14:40:02 -0500
From: "Chris Patrick"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Clean Burning Fuel and the Economic Impact

why should they? the taxes go to help keep roads in good shape, pay for
various pet projects, and nice limos for government officials.. im all for
increases in fuel costs, ***IF IT WILL ALLOW ME TO DO WHAT I WANT WITH MY
MOTORS!!!!!*** if they try to take it out of BOTH ends, give us more
emmissions controls and less power AND make us pay more for gas.. well id be
ticked....



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> [mailto:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Robert Benne
> Sent: Friday, May 21, 1999 2:09 PM
> To: Trucks Ford
> Subject: FTE 97up - Clean Burning Fuel and the Economic Impact
>
>
> Here's a thought - if state andlocal govt REALLY wanted to have clean
> burning fuel, maybe they would reduce the amount of gas taxes
> currently
> charged (avg around $.40/gallon) to offset increase of
> reformulating the
> fuel. Opps - forgot - govt doen't produce ANY goods or
> services and they
> aren't about to give up their revenue streams!
>

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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 15:35:03 -0400
From: "Matthew Powell"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - in America we still get to choose our vehicles

>I have to deal with it on three fronts. our 4x4 activitys, while we
practice
>tread lightly, and generally creat less of a mess than the hikers who try
to
>ban us,
I know how that one feels, im a mountian biker!

/matt KC8KZI
99 Ranger XL Sport / 2.5 5spd / K&N Airfilter and soon to have 6 300w flood
lights and a "Texas Bug Catcher"
98 GT LTS 3000 / 3" travel front, 5" travel rear, 24 gears, fast downhill
setup

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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 14:42:08 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Douglas R. Floyd"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - in America we still get to choose our vehicles

>
> >I have to deal with it on three fronts. our 4x4 activitys, while we
> practice
> >tread lightly, and generally creat less of a mess than the hikers who try
> to
> >ban us,
> I know how that one feels, im a mountian biker!

Yep. Mountain bikes, and 4x4's are the ones really getting the short
end these days. We pay the fees, and get banned. Great deal. :(


>
> /matt KC8KZI
> 99 Ranger XL Sport / 2.5 5spd / K&N Airfilter and soon to have 6 300w flood
> lights and a "Texas Bug Catcher"
> 98 GT LTS 3000 / 3" travel front, 5" travel rear, 24 gears, fast downhill
> setup
>
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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 16:30:34 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 97up - ADMIN: Peggy

Hi All,

I would like to make a request. Please talk to your
fellow truckers and find out about auto shows in your
area. They don't have to be Ford specific or truck
specific. If you have a form or flier, great! You
can fax it to me at (770) 806-1955 or mail it to me at
PO Box 422, Lilburn GA, 30048. If all you have is a rumor
contact me anyway. I've learned of five shows in the
last 24 hours, just by calling for info on one show.

If you are wondering what this is for, Ken and I would
like to meet more of you, and we know that Pigeon Forge
is a long way for some of you. So we are going to try
to see if we can go to some of these other shows around
the country.

I appreciate any help you can give.

Sincerely,
Peggy Payne FTEI
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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 17:27:02 -0500
From: "Karl Nyhus"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - in America we still get to choose our vehicles

Keith Veren wrote:
>Add in the extra taxes, auto insurance, registration fees,
>maintenance, etc. and having two cars will be more expensive,
>no matter how much you save in gas by using the second car.

I agree. I don't know any two vehicles I'd care to own and spend gas money
on that would be cheaper than a single decent vehicle.

Chris Patrick wrote:
>if you look at my original post, i started it
>with "the other side of the arguement".


I went back to Chris' original post, and the words " the other side of the
argument" were certainly there. But when I re-read the whole post, I'll be
darned if it still doesn't seem like he's taking the "other side" and not
just presenting it for discussion. He seems clearly to be telling folks, for
example, not to drive a truck with any towing ability if all you want is
milk. Personally, I think having a truck along makes for some pretty good
impulse buying opportunities. There's not much that you can't buy and bring
home with you when you've got a truck along...

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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 17:29:43 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Douglas R. Floyd"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - in America we still get to choose our vehicles

> I went back to Chris' original post, and the words " the other side of the
> argument" were certainly there. But when I re-read the whole post, I'll be
> darned if it still doesn't seem like he's taking the "other side" and not
> just presenting it for discussion. He seems clearly to be telling folks, for
> example, not to drive a truck with any towing ability if all you want is
> milk. Personally, I think having a truck along makes for some pretty good
> impulse buying opportunities. There's not much that you can't buy and bring
> home with you when you've got a truck along...

Then there is the safety value of a truck. Yes, its argued time, and time
again, but its simple physics. The greater the mass on your side means the
less movement your vehicle makes when hit. This can mean life or death if
some wank on a cellphone blows a red light when you are coming through. I
do notice that people tend not to try games with a large white truck, as
they would with my old POS toyota.

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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 18:42:18 -0500
From: "Mike Klinke"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - a question about towing (engines and EPA bashers)

Unless I've missed something, you got a real deal on the new car. To really
skew the numbers in your favor, assume the truck got 5 mpg and the car 50
mpg. The 50 mile daily trip used 1 gal. in the car and 10 gal. in the truck.
Figuring $2.00 per gal., you saved 18 dollars per day. Over a year that's a
little less than $6600 per year. What kind of a car was this? 8) I think
you'll need to a lot more to convince me of the 2 vs. 1 vehicle idea with
these numbers....

Makes for an interesting argument though.

Cheers, Mike Klinke

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From: Chris Patrick
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Friday, May 21, 1999 11:17 AM
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - a question about towing (engines and EPA bashers)


>i was commuting 50-60 miles a day.. it ALMOST completely offset them for
>me...especially since i had an older
>less reliable chevy 454 p/u, and putting 300+miles a week was taking its
>toll on maintenance. i bough a new
>car, with a 5 yr, 100k mile powertrain and 3/36 bumper to bumper warranty,
>and operating costs were negligable.
>
>> I doubt it. Add in the extra taxes, auto insurance,
>> registration fees,
>> maintenance, etc. and having two cars will be more expensive,
>> no matter how
>> much you save in gas by using the second car.
>>
>> Keith
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Chris Patrick
>> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>> Date: Friday, May 21, 1999 10:24 AM
>> Subject: RE: FTE 97up - a question about towing (engines and
>> EPA bashers)
>>
>>
>>
>> >add up your gas expense. i alot of cases, the savings in gas
>> weekly can
>> >offset the costof a second or third vehicle.....
>
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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 21:31:39 -0700
From: Nicolas Mosaquites III
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - ADMIN: Peggy

Hi Peggy,
Street Trucks magazine together with motor sport promotions is
sponsoring a show on August 15th at the orange county fairgrounds in
Costa Mesa. This is suppose to be California's
largest Custom Truck show.You will see Mini Trucks Classics full size
Off road Dually and off road race trucks.Not to mention a variety of
Vendors with the latest in truck products.If you would like more info
call 949 598-5124 in mission viejo CA.
Hope this helps by the way the pictures of pigeon force were great,thank
you for your time and Kens in keeping this list up.


Respectfully
....

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