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In this issue:

RE: FTE 97up - Superduty front/rear leaf spring torque
Re: FTE 97up - Superduty front/rear leaf spring torque
Re: FTE 97up - Repairing a scratched dashboard
RE: FTE 97up - Superduty front/rear leaf spring torque
Re: FTE 97up - The Case of the Missing Weatherstrips
Re: FTE 97up - Superduty front/rear leaf spring torque
FTE 97up - question about truck weights
RE: FTE 97up - question about truck weights
Re: FTE 97up - question about truck weights
FTE 97up - Re: Repairing a scratched dashboard
RE: FTE 97up - question about truck weights
Re: FTE 97up - The Case of the Missing Weatherstrips

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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 06:20:30 -0500
From: "Strukel, Mike"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Superduty front/rear leaf spring torque

Kent,

What kind of suspension noise are you trying to find? A couple of weeks
after I intsalled my lift, I started to hear a creaking noise from my
suspension. It turns out that the noise is coming from the passender side
rear of the leaf(spring eye). I can spray some WD-40 on it and the noise
quits for about a day. I also suspected that maybe I needed to re torque,
but that did not help . I am thinking about taking the springeye bolt out
and grease it. If this is the same problem you are having, let me know.


Mike Strukel

> -----Original Message-----
> From:Kent Tombs [SMTP:ktombs direct.ca]
> Sent:Sunday, May 16, 1999 9:36 AM
> To:97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject:Re: FTE 97up - Superduty front/rear leaf spring torque
>
> Keith Veren wrote:
> >
> > Front Springs: [Page 204-01B-23 to 204-01B-27] in Workshop Manual
> > "U" Bolts 133 Nm (99 lb/ft) - Install "U" Bolts with Weight on Axle
> > Front Eye Bolts = 350 Nm (259 lb/ft)
> > Rear Eye Bolts = 250 Nm (185 lb/ft)
> >
> > Rear Springs: [Page 204-02-29 to 204-02-30] in Workshop Manual
> > "U" Bolts = 250 Nm (185 lb/ft) - (Does not say you must install "U"
> Bolts
> > with Weight on Axle)
> > Both Eye Bolts = 250 Nm (185 lb/ft)
> >
> > NOTE: These values are for new hardware only.
> > Never reuse "U" bolts because they are "torque to yield" designed.
> > Use new "U" bolts every time.
> >
> > I would install all bolts "weight-off" then put "weight on" and
> re-torque
> > any bolt needing it.
> >
> > Keith
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Kent Tombs
> > To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> > Date: Sunday, May 16, 1999 9:47 AM
> > Subject: FTE 97up - Superduty front/rear leaf spring torque
> >
> > >Would appreciate knowing the torque setting for all the bolts(U and
> Eye)
> > >on the front and rear leaf springs for a 99 F-250 Superduty 4X4, also
> do
> > >they need to be torqued with or without vehicle weight. If anyone has
> > >purchased the manual for this truck I would really appreciate them
> > >looking it up for me.
> > >
> > >Thanks Kent
> > >99 F-250 SD SC SB XLT 4X4 5spd, Flowmaster, 3" lift, Ram air, Arrow
> > >Canopy, 36" swampers,
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> Thanks much Keith I had you in mind when I asked the question. I am more
> concerned with the eye bolts, trying to find minute suspension (maybe)
> noises
>
> Kent
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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 05:22:31 -0700
From: Kent Tombs
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Superduty front/rear leaf spring torque

Hey Mike check out www.ford -diesel. com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000744.html


"Strukel, Mike" wrote:
>
> Kent,
>
> What kind of suspension noise are you trying to find? A couple of weeks
> after I intsalled my lift, I started to hear a creaking noise from my
> suspension. It turns out that the noise is coming from the passender side
> rear of the leaf(spring eye). I can spray some WD-40 on it and the noise
> quits for about a day. I also suspected that maybe I needed to re torque,
> but that did not help . I am thinking about taking the springeye bolt out
> and grease it. If this is the same problem you are having, let me know.
>
> Mike Strukel
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Kent Tombs [SMTP:ktombs direct.ca]
> > Sent: Sunday, May 16, 1999 9:36 AM
> > To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> > Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Superduty front/rear leaf spring torque
> >
> > Keith Veren wrote:
> > >
> > > Front Springs: [Page 204-01B-23 to 204-01B-27] in Workshop Manual
> > > "U" Bolts 133 Nm (99 lb/ft) - Install "U" Bolts with Weight on Axle
> > > Front Eye Bolts = 350 Nm (259 lb/ft)
> > > Rear Eye Bolts = 250 Nm (185 lb/ft)
> > >
> > > Rear Springs: [Page 204-02-29 to 204-02-30] in Workshop Manual
> > > "U" Bolts = 250 Nm (185 lb/ft) - (Does not say you must install "U"
> > Bolts
> > > with Weight on Axle)
> > > Both Eye Bolts = 250 Nm (185 lb/ft)
> > >
> > > NOTE: These values are for new hardware only.
> > > Never reuse "U" bolts because they are "torque to yield" designed.
> > > Use new "U" bolts every time.
> > >
> > > I would install all bolts "weight-off" then put "weight on" and
> > re-torque
> > > any bolt needing it.
> > >
> > > Keith
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Kent Tombs
> > > To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> > > Date: Sunday, May 16, 1999 9:47 AM
> > > Subject: FTE 97up - Superduty front/rear leaf spring torque
> > >
> > > >Would appreciate knowing the torque setting for all the bolts(U and
> > Eye)
> > > >on the front and rear leaf springs for a 99 F-250 Superduty 4X4, also
> > do
> > > >they need to be torqued with or without vehicle weight. If anyone has
> > > >purchased the manual for this truck I would really appreciate them
> > > >looking it up for me.
> > > >
> > > >Thanks Kent
> > > >99 F-250 SD SC SB XLT 4X4 5spd, Flowmaster, 3" lift, Ram air, Arrow
> > > >Canopy, 36" swampers,
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> > > >
> > >
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> >
> > Thanks much Keith I had you in mind when I asked the question. I am more
> > concerned with the eye bolts, trying to find minute suspension (maybe)
> > noises
> >
> > Kent
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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 09:19:06 EDT
From: ATUMLAW aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Repairing a scratched dashboard

In a message dated 5/16/99 11:47:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
rrpalmer eatel.net writes:

>

I scratched the dash on my 99 F-150 while taking out the head unit. I was
ready to buy a new piece for the dash from the dealer and showed it to my
service manager when I brought the truck in. He said they have something
they could do to it. There was also a scratch from the factory on the other
side of the dash. The fixed both of them and you can't even tell there were
any scratches at all, and I am very particular about my truck. I don't know
what they did, but you should give your dealer a try next time you take it in
for warranty work, maybe they will fix it for you.

VTY

Atilla Babacan
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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 08:38:55 -0500
From: "Strukel, Mike"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Superduty front/rear leaf spring torque

Looks like that is exactly my problem!


Mike Strukel

> -----Original Message-----
> From:Kent Tombs [SMTP:ktombs direct.ca]
> Sent:Monday, May 17, 1999 7:23 AM
> To:97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject:Re: FTE 97up - Superduty front/rear leaf spring torque
>
> Hey Mike check out www.ford -diesel. com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000744.html
>
>
> "Strukel, Mike" wrote:
> >
> > Kent,
> >
> > What kind of suspension noise are you trying to find? A couple of
> weeks
> > after I intsalled my lift, I started to hear a creaking noise from my
> > suspension. It turns out that the noise is coming from the passender
> side
> > rear of the leaf(spring eye). I can spray some WD-40 on it and the
> noise
> > quits for about a day. I also suspected that maybe I needed to re
> torque,
> > but that did not help . I am thinking about taking the springeye bolt
> out
> > and grease it. If this is the same problem you are having, let me
> know.
> >
> > Mike Strukel
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Kent Tombs [SMTP:ktombs direct.ca]
> > > Sent: Sunday, May 16, 1999 9:36 AM
> > > To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> > > Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Superduty front/rear leaf spring torque
> > >
> > > Keith Veren wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Front Springs: [Page 204-01B-23 to 204-01B-27] in Workshop Manual
> > > > "U" Bolts 133 Nm (99 lb/ft) - Install "U" Bolts with Weight on Axle
> > > > Front Eye Bolts = 350 Nm (259 lb/ft)
> > > > Rear Eye Bolts = 250 Nm (185 lb/ft)
> > > >
> > > > Rear Springs: [Page 204-02-29 to 204-02-30] in Workshop Manual
> > > > "U" Bolts = 250 Nm (185 lb/ft) - (Does not say you must install "U"
> > > Bolts
> > > > with Weight on Axle)
> > > > Both Eye Bolts = 250 Nm (185 lb/ft)
> > > >
> > > > NOTE: These values are for new hardware only.
> > > > Never reuse "U" bolts because they are "torque to yield" designed.
> > > > Use new "U" bolts every time.
> > > >
> > > > I would install all bolts "weight-off" then put "weight on" and
> > > re-torque
> > > > any bolt needing it.
> > > >
> > > > Keith
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Kent Tombs
> > > > To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> > > > Date: Sunday, May 16, 1999 9:47 AM
> > > > Subject: FTE 97up - Superduty front/rear leaf spring torque
> > > >
> > > > >Would appreciate knowing the torque setting for all the bolts(U and
> > > Eye)
> > > > >on the front and rear leaf springs for a 99 F-250 Superduty 4X4,
> also
> > > do
> > > > >they need to be torqued with or without vehicle weight. If anyone
> has
> > > > >purchased the manual for this truck I would really appreciate them
> > > > >looking it up for me.
> > > > >
> > > > >Thanks Kent
> > > > >99 F-250 SD SC SB XLT 4X4 5spd, Flowmaster, 3" lift, Ram air, Arrow
> > > > >Canopy, 36" swampers,
> > > > >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info
> > > http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html
> > > > >
> > > >
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> > >
> > > Thanks much Keith I had you in mind when I asked the question. I am
> more
> > > concerned with the eye bolts, trying to find minute suspension (maybe)
> > > noises
> > >
> > > Kent
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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 08:51:28 -0500
From: "Charles Abraham"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - The Case of the Missing Weatherstrips

Hi Keith,

I did. (Hand holding the weatherstrip against the bottom door
edge I found that in the wrong position the strip would extend
out below the bottom edge of the door.)

The cabin noise level has dropped significantly. Seems
the "noise field" is now up around my head and shoulders.
I'm only sorry I didn't first measure the noise level inside the
cab with my Radio Shack sound meter, before installing the
strip.

Charles.

P.S. Got my Ford blanket in the mail on Saturday!

Keith Veren wrote:

> I am sure you will determine which way is the
> correct way by holding the weatherstrip to the door bottom
>

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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 11:06:15 EDT
From: JPatte5238 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Superduty front/rear leaf spring torque

When I washed my truck the other day, I found that the driver's side leaf
spring spacer was still in from the factory. After removing the spacer the
truck started squeaking. I didn't know what the noise was from until I read
your posts. Thanks a lot for the info, I will be keeping a close eye on your
solution. One more thing, check to see if your truck is bottoming out on
the front axle. There is only 3 to 4" of play before the truck hits the
rubber stop mount. The mount has cleaned the frame shinny, this doesn't seem
right!!!!! Maybe I should go to a heavier shock?

John Patterson
PSD
PS> I check my buddies Dodge 24 valve Cummins on clearance for the front
axle, its about the same, but his mount has not been hitting.
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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 18:46:40 EDT
From: Ccdolf aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - question about truck weights

i have a 98 f-150 4.2 L V-6 5 spd manual. i was wondering if anyone
could tell me what the GCWR and GVWR and GAWR are. i'm not sure where i
could find out how much my truck weighs not including passengers. it's a
regular cab pick-up.
and i also would like to know how much i can tow with just the ball hitch on
my bumper. the bumper says 5000 lb trailer weight i'm guessing that would
be how much i can tow.
thanks for any help
Bill
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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 17:16:21 -0700
From: "Larry Drum"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - question about truck weights

Bill,

The 5000# Rating on the bumper is for towing with the Bumper. If you have a
"Hitch" the capacity goes up. The 97 and up F-150's are rated at 7500#
Towing Capacity. As for the GCWR and Such, it can be found on the inside
Driver's Side door frame. If not there, contact a Service Dept. at your
local dealer and they will be glad to tell you.

Hope this helps....


Larry Drum
Captain, CHP Explorer Post #834
Needles Area
Webmaster - www.chpexplorer.org

'99 F-150 XL, Bright Red, 2WD, 4.2 V-6, 5 Spd. 3.55 LS, BugFlector II, Vent
Visors, Rhino Lining Bed Liner. Maxon 40 Channel W/10 Channel Weather CB.
Maxon "Through the Glass" CB Antenna (Awesome Performance) W/Weather Band.
(Lowering Kit Coming Soon :o).

Sound System :o) -

Alpine In Dish 6 Disk Changer/Receiver Head Unit (Alpine Model # MDA-W890).
4 Infinity Kappa Series 5 X 7 Door and Rear Panel Speakers. 2 Cerwin Vega
Stealth Series 12" Sub Woofers in a Custom Enclosure Behind the Seat
(Regular Cab). 1 - Sherwood 250 Watt x 4 Channel Amplifier Bridged to 500
Watts X 2 Channels Pushing the Subs, 1 - Pioneer 75 Watt X 4 Channel
Amplifier Pushing the Infinitiy's. All Cable and Wiring by Monster Cable.
Power Distribution Blocks by Monster Cable.


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From:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com
[mailto:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com] On Behalf Of Ccdolf aol.com
Sent:Monday, May 17, 1999 3:47 PM
To:97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject:FTE 97up - question about truck weights

i have a 98 f-150 4.2 L V-6 5 spd manual. i was wondering if anyone
could tell me what the GCWR and GVWR and GAWR are. i'm not sure where i
could find out how much my truck weighs not including passengers. it's a
regular cab pick-up.
and i also would like to know how much i can tow with just the ball hitch
on
my bumper. the bumper says 5000 lb trailer weight i'm guessing that would
be how much i can tow.
thanks for any help
Bill
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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 20:03:53 -0500
From: Glenn S See
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - question about truck weights

>

Check the owner's manual.....I have a '98 F-150 w/4.6L V-8 & 5-spd
manual, the automatic max. rating for towing 7500#, the manual is 3300!!

Steve
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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 21:12:00 -0700
From: RICK KANE
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Repairing a scratched dashboard

I installed a pillar mount gauge pod and it came black. My interior is
light prairie tan and I bought a can of vinyl recoloring spray at Pep
Boys and the match was perfect. After mounting to pod I had a scratch
on it and I just masked the gauges and surrounding area with masking
tape and newspaper and everything came out great! Hope this helps.
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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 20:06:28 -0700
From: "Larry Drum"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - question about truck weights

Steve,

I don't want to start a flaming session, but I too have a 5spd (1999) and it
is 7500# for mine... Sure you are reading the right numbers???


Larry Drum
Captain, CHP Explorer Post #834
Needles Area
Webmaster - www.chpexplorer.org

'99 F-150 XL, Bright Red, 2WD, 4.2 V-6, 5 Spd. 3.55 LS, BugFlector II, Vent
Visors, Rhino Lining Bed Liner. Maxon 40 Channel W/10 Channel Weather CB.
Maxon "Through the Glass" CB Antenna (Awesome Performance) W/Weather Band.
(Lowering Kit Coming Soon :o).

Sound System :o) -

Alpine In Dish 6 Disk Changer/Receiver Head Unit (Alpine Model # MDA-W890).
4 Infinity Kappa Series 5 X 7 Door and Rear Panel Speakers. 2 Cerwin Vega
Stealth Series 12" Sub Woofers in a Custom Enclosure Behind the Seat
(Regular Cab). 1 - Sherwood 250 Watt x 4 Channel Amplifier Bridged to 500
Watts X 2 Channels Pushing the Subs, 1 - Pioneer 75 Watt X 4 Channel
Amplifier Pushing the Infinitiy's. All Cable and Wiring by Monster Cable.
Power Distribution Blocks by Monster Cable.


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From:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com
[mailto:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com] On Behalf Of Glenn S See
Sent:Monday, May 17, 1999 6:04 PM
To:97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject:Re: FTE 97up - question about truck weights

>

Check the owner's manual.....I have a '98 F-150 w/4.6L V-8 & 5-spd
manual, the automatic max. rating for towing 7500#, the manual is 3300!!

Steve
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