97up-list-digest Monday, January 18 1999 Volume 02 : Number 013



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 97up - Re:First oil change
Re: FTE 97up - CAT-Back on 98 F150
Re: FTE 97up - Re:First oil change
Re: FTE 97up - Re:First oil change
Re: FTE 97up - Re:First oil change
Re: FTE 97up - 1999 F150 Tranny
FTE 97up - Re: First Oil Change
FTE 97up - Hard reading oil level!!!!!!
Re: FTE 97up - Web site
Re: FTE 97up - Hard reading oil level!!!!!!
FTE 97up - Lincoln Blackwood
Re: FTE 97up - Re:First oil change
FTE 97up - ADMIN: Web site updates
RE: FTE 97up - Good dealership/mechanic in Fremont (S.F. Bay Area)

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Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 08:14:05 -0500
From: "Anne Mitchell"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re:First oil change

>
>I changed mine at 1850.


Usually around 1,500 miles then every 3,000 after that. Based on my gas
mileage records the engine was broken in at around 10,000 miles as evident
by a lack of increasing gas mileage. I then switched to synthetic. I plan
to go 6,000 miles between oil changes with the synthetic, but I will change
the filter at 3,000.

Steve

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Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 09:07:56 -0500
From: "Anne Mitchell"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - CAT-Back on 98 F150

I plan to upgrade to the side exhaust. It has a 3" pipe which is 1/2"
bigger than stock. I had a Borla on my 92 Explorer and it had a nice sound,
burbled at idle and howled under load. A friend of mine just installed a
Gibson side exhaust in his 318ci V8 Dakota and it sounds nice too. I don't
think the dual exhaust has dual 3" pipes, and it comes out of 1 muffler so
the backpressure on the engine should be about the same. I do like the look
of the dually though.

Steve
Subject: FTE 97up - CAT-Back on 98 F150


>I am looking at buying a CAT-Back System for my 98 F150. I am sort of
>leaning towards a dual outlet rear exit Gibson. Has anyone had
>experience with this model. I have personally heard the little side exit
>model they make, and personally I think it sounded a little puny. I
>would like to have a nice sound to it, nothing really annoying, but
>possibly a nice light rumble at idle increasing under load. I am
>assuming there will probably be a significant difference in sound
>between the two because the dual rear exit uses larger diameter pipes.
>Any opinions or advice would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Thanks
>Landen Stoker
>
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Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 09:52:25 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re:First oil change

I've never heard of such a bulletin. I usually recommend 3K miles for a
Diesel (depending on how its used) and 2k on a gasoline engine. Changing
earlier doesn't hurt a thing (most people aren't willing to spend the money,
though)

Nathan

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From: RICK KANE
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Saturday, January 16, 1999 6:57 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - Re:First oil change


>I ordered my F-250 SC SD PSD on September 2 and picked it up on Jan. 7.
>So far I have no complaints. When talking to my salesman the other day,
>he reminded me to bring it in at 5000 miles for my free first oil
>change. I said that would be my second or third change. He told me
>that Ford issued a bulletin saying that the oil shouldn't be changed
>before 5000 miles to allow everything to "seat". I've never run a new
>vehicle for more that 1500 miles before the first change.
>Has anyone else heard of this bulletin? When are you folks changing
>your oil for the first time? Any answers will be greatly appreciated.
>
>Rick Kane
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Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 16:30:22 GMT
From: alannorthstar mindspring.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re:First oil change

On Sat, 16 Jan 1999 19:43:50 -0500, you wrote:


:he reminded me to bring it in at 5000 miles for my free first oil
:change. I said that would be my second or third change. He told me
:that Ford issued a bulletin saying that the oil shouldn't be changed
:before 5000 miles to allow everything to "seat". =20

This is one of those tales that keeps making the rounds -- that
an engine needs time for the rings to seat. And that changing
the factory oil prematurely can prevent that seating process.

Don't know if it is really true, or not.

I changed my oil at 3,000 and will do the second one at 6,000
miles. =20

We'll see. . . .


Later,
Alan
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Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 12:43:26 -0500
From: dhmccla ibm.net
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re:First oil change

Alan,

I personally think its all BS and agree with Union Auto. Every service
department will tell you something different. That factory installed
oil is no different than any other major brand oil you can buy at any
major auto store.

I changed my first oil at 1700 miles (after 3 months) with 10w-30 Mobil
1 and specifically asked if there was a problem with using Mobil 1 and
the answer was absolutely no problem. Those days of a "break-in" oil
are long over. Never knew anyone to void a warranty or ruin an engine
changing the oil more often than recommended either.

You are on a good schedule now for oil changes, keep it up. Dave
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Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 15:24:12 -0500
From: Rick Heis
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 1999 F150 Tranny

At 08:04 AM 1/16/99 -0600, you wrote:

Nathan,

My next questions, (1) Can you when you order a new 1999 F150 5.4 SC SB
XLT order the 4R100 tranny? I eventually plan on upgrading the 5.4
engine, after about 10,000 miles, to about 350 horsepower and 'think' the
beefier tranny would be better with the increase in HP and torque. (2)
What other items would have to be upgraded/changed with other components
(axles, drivetrain, etc) to make this 4R100 happen? (3) Or is it a simple
swap to 'special order' the 4R100? (4) What Ford trucks have the 4R100
either as standard or available as an option. (5) What would you
reccommend, is the 4R70w adequate OR should I opt for the stronger 4R100
tranny?


Thanks a million,

Rick Heis

>The F-150 with the 5.4L comes with the 4R70W (except with California
>Emissions, then E4OD). The 4R100 is basically an E4OD on steroids. I think
>the case is slightly bigger and all the internal parts are stronger to
>handle the extra torque of the Diesel this year. The E4OD is a stout
>transmission and can handle lots of torque itself. The 4R70W is a good
>transmission (haven't had to change any yet), but is different than the
>E4OD. It is slightly smaller and seems to "eat" less power than the E4OD
>making trucks with this tranny seem more responsive. It doesn't have the
>ability to handle as much torque as the E40D but can still handle quite a
>bit. The owner of the local transmission shop prefers this transmission in
>his truck due to snow plowing use. He says it can handle repeated
>forward-reverse shifts better.
>
>Nathan Bernard
>
>
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Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 16:18:35 -0500
From: Gary & Nancy Brinck
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: First Oil Change

In response to Rick Kane's question, I did my first change at
2700 and second at 6600. Never heard of a problem from changing
oil too frequently! And who pays any attention to what a
salesman says anyway? Few of them are technical experts!!
- --
Gary
99 Superduty PSD Auto
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Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 17:17:41 4
From: "Vaughn (VDB)"
Subject: FTE 97up - Hard reading oil level!!!!!!

Am I the only one having a hard time reading
the damn dipstick? 99 SD 5.4.
I have to look real close to see the level
because there is always oil up the dipstick
about 5 inches above the full hole but only
half the width of the stick.
So I have to look where the oil actually
stops by looking close to the edge.
Its the most stupid setup I've seen!!

Vaughn


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Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 18:47:45 -0500
From: Mark Lee
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Web site

Blue Oval will be down for a total of 8 days. They didn't say why.

Jack wrote:
>
> Has anyone had trouble connecting to www.blueovalnews.com
> lately? The past several days I haven't been able to get to it.
>
> Jack
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Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 17:02:14 -0800
From: Kent Tombs
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Hard reading oil level!!!!!!

"Vaughn (VDB)" wrote:
>
> Am I the only one having a hard time reading
> the damn dipstick? 99 SD 5.4.
> I have to look real close to see the level
> because there is always oil up the dipstick
> about 5 inches above the full hole but only
> half the width of the stick.
> So I have to look where the oil actually
> stops by looking close to the edge.
> Its the most stupid setup I've seen!!
>
> Vaughn
>
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Look on the back side of the dipstick and you will see exactly where the
oil level is. This is how I check mine.
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Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 20:03:10 -0500
From: Mark Lee
Subject: FTE 97up - Lincoln Blackwood

I just came back from the Detroit Auto Show. The Lincoln Blackwood is
some great [suv/truck/luxury car]. It is clearly a big boy's toy, but
what a toy! 300hp engine, wood exterior, navigation system, hydraulic
bed cover, aluminum bed liner with fully integrated illumination, rear
sensing system. It looks far better in person than in mag pics. Won't
be out for a year and a half says Ford.
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Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 21:56:11 -0500
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re:First oil change

Amen, Alan:
I have been changing my new vehicle's oil after the first 500 miles or so to
Mobil-1 synthetic and I was doing this even before it was "fashionable"
(back in '87). Even went so far as to change gear oil, differential fluid
and transfer case oil, and suspension and u-joint lubes with the appropriate
Mobil-1 lubricant for my '87 4-Runner. My '87 4-Runner went 185,000 miles
before I sold it and it had the same compression (180 lbs./inch2) in each
cylinder as the day it was new. Corvettes and I believe Porches come from
the factory with Mobil-1 engine oil. My philosophy, put in the good stuff
(Mobil-1) don't be afraid to rev it to the limiter (about 5,500 rpm in the
5.4L and the same for the 6.8L V-10) and enjoy it.

Keith


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From: dhmccla ibm.net
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Sunday, January 17, 1999 12:35 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re:First oil change


>Alan,
>
>I personally think its all BS and agree with Union Auto. Every service
>department will tell you something different. That factory installed
>oil is no different than any other major brand oil you can buy at any
>major auto store.
>
>I changed my first oil at 1700 miles (after 3 months) with 10w-30 Mobil
>1 and specifically asked if there was a problem with using Mobil 1 and
>the answer was absolutely no problem. Those days of a "break-in" oil
>are long over. Never knew anyone to void a warranty or ruin an engine
>changing the oil more often than recommended either.
>
>You are on a good schedule now for oil changes, keep it up. Dave
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Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 23:53:00 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 97up - ADMIN: Web site updates

1. Events guide updated
2. Many new links added
3. Pictorial updated and redesigned. Navigation should be much quicker.
4. Awards page updated. We're received 3 new awards in the last 2
weeks.

Later,
Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts


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Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 23:44:46 -0800
From: "Andrew Chung"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Good dealership/mechanic in Fremont (S.F. Bay Area)

Capitol Ford and Frontier Ford are the two dealerships I've tried. They are
close enough to my work where I can ask a co-worker to pick me up or drop me
off. I haven't had a chance to try Fremont Ford yet, but from the few
comments I've heard, that may not be the best place to go either. Capitol
Ford was the dealership that couldn't get the wiper blades on right or
rotate my tires correctly. Frontier wasn't too bad, but the first time I
took my truck in they broke the battery terminals! They also NEVER call me
first when my truck is ready. I have to hound them to see when my truck is
ready. They were pretty nice when it came to fixing the factory recalls and
a stuck throttle body though.

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From:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com
[mailto:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com] On Behalf Of The Hepburn
Sent:Saturday, January 16, 1999 22:57
To:97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject:Re: FTE 97up - Good dealership/mechanic in Fremont (S.F. Bay Area)

George Passidakis wrote:
>
> I too, live in Fremont CA and am awaiting my F-350 PSD 4x4. I heard that
Mission
> Ford in San Jose (880 and Brokaw) may be the best in the area for
servicing trucks.
> No real experience though.
>
Mission Ford is low on my list, for both sales and service. On my 1990
F350 I had
a power steering leak and took it to them. They kept it for a day and said
they
tightened the clamp on the low pressure hose. THe next day I took it back
because
it was still leaking. They kept it for another day, and said they replaced
the
clamp with two new clamps. I took it back the next day because it was
STILL leaking,
and they finally decided the seals were bad, and rebuilt the pump. It
ended up
costing me over $200, and 3 trips to them.

Last month I went in to inquire about buying a '99 F450. The salesman met
me on the
steps to the sales room, making sure he always stayed one step above me. I
asked
for price information on an F450 Crew Cab diesel, and without hesitation he
told
me that he did not have any on the lot, did not know if he's ever have any,
and that
he didn't think any were being made. Very rude and arrogant. I ended up
at Capitol
Ford - I'll let everyone know what we get when we get some paperwork.

For engine service I use Garden State International on 4th St - their
service dept
is open 'til 11pm during the week and they definitely know the engine!

Alan Hepburn
Alan Hepburn.com
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