97up-list-digest Monday, May 17 1999 Volume 02 : Number 129



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In this issue:

FTE 97up - F450/550 in 2000
FTE 97up - Superduty front/rear leaf spring torque
Re: FTE 97up - Superduty front/rear leaf spring torque
Re: FTE 97up - Superduty front/rear leaf spring torque
FTE 97up - Explorers for 2000
FTE 97up - '99 Explorer Option
FTE 97up - '99 Explorer Towing Capacity
Re: FTE 97up - '99 Explorer Towing Capacity
FTE 97up - Repairing a scratched dashboard
FTE 97up - Need rear seats of extended cab F-250 HD
Re: FTE 97up - Need rear seats of extended cab F-250 HD

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Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 09:33:39 -0400
From: j arnold
Subject: FTE 97up - F450/550 in 2000

For Nathan or whoever knows,

I'm planning on buying an F450 or F550 strictly for trailer towing. Any
information on changes for 2000? Any ideas or recommendations? I live in
the Louisville, Ky area, but have considered going to San Antonio, Tx to
buy the truck because I've dealt with them before and know some of those
boys. Where are you, Nathan? I would just as soon buy this truck in the
midwest.

Stoney

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Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 06:44:51 -0700
From: Kent Tombs
Subject: FTE 97up - Superduty front/rear leaf spring torque

Would appreciate knowing the torque setting for all the bolts(U and Eye)
on the front and rear leaf springs for a 99 F-250 Superduty 4X4, also do
they need to be torqued with or without vehicle weight. If anyone has
purchased the manual for this truck I would really appreciate them
looking it up for me.

Thanks Kent
99 F-250 SD SC SB XLT 4X4 5spd, Flowmaster, 3" lift, Ram air, Arrow
Canopy, 36" swampers,
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Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 10:22:03 -0400
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Superduty front/rear leaf spring torque

Front Springs: [Page 204-01B-23 to 204-01B-27] in Workshop Manual
"U" Bolts 133 Nm (99 lb/ft) - Install "U" Bolts with Weight on Axle
Front Eye Bolts = 350 Nm (259 lb/ft)
Rear Eye Bolts = 250 Nm (185 lb/ft)

Rear Springs: [Page 204-02-29 to 204-02-30] in Workshop Manual
"U" Bolts = 250 Nm (185 lb/ft) - (Does not say you must install "U" Bolts
with Weight on Axle)
Both Eye Bolts = 250 Nm (185 lb/ft)

NOTE: These values are for new hardware only.
Never reuse "U" bolts because they are "torque to yield" designed.
Use new "U" bolts every time.

I would install all bolts "weight-off" then put "weight on" and re-torque
any bolt needing it.


Keith



- -----Original Message-----
From: Kent Tombs
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Sunday, May 16, 1999 9:47 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - Superduty front/rear leaf spring torque


>Would appreciate knowing the torque setting for all the bolts(U and Eye)
>on the front and rear leaf springs for a 99 F-250 Superduty 4X4, also do
>they need to be torqued with or without vehicle weight. If anyone has
>purchased the manual for this truck I would really appreciate them
>looking it up for me.
>
>Thanks Kent
>99 F-250 SD SC SB XLT 4X4 5spd, Flowmaster, 3" lift, Ram air, Arrow
>Canopy, 36" swampers,
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Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 07:35:40 -0700
From: Kent Tombs
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Superduty front/rear leaf spring torque

Keith Veren wrote:
>
> Front Springs: [Page 204-01B-23 to 204-01B-27] in Workshop Manual
> "U" Bolts 133 Nm (99 lb/ft) - Install "U" Bolts with Weight on Axle
> Front Eye Bolts = 350 Nm (259 lb/ft)
> Rear Eye Bolts = 250 Nm (185 lb/ft)
>
> Rear Springs: [Page 204-02-29 to 204-02-30] in Workshop Manual
> "U" Bolts = 250 Nm (185 lb/ft) - (Does not say you must install "U" Bolts
> with Weight on Axle)
> Both Eye Bolts = 250 Nm (185 lb/ft)
>
> NOTE: These values are for new hardware only.
> Never reuse "U" bolts because they are "torque to yield" designed.
> Use new "U" bolts every time.
>
> I would install all bolts "weight-off" then put "weight on" and re-torque
> any bolt needing it.
>
> Keith
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kent Tombs
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Date: Sunday, May 16, 1999 9:47 AM
> Subject: FTE 97up - Superduty front/rear leaf spring torque
>
> >Would appreciate knowing the torque setting for all the bolts(U and Eye)
> >on the front and rear leaf springs for a 99 F-250 Superduty 4X4, also do
> >they need to be torqued with or without vehicle weight. If anyone has
> >purchased the manual for this truck I would really appreciate them
> >looking it up for me.
> >
> >Thanks Kent
> >99 F-250 SD SC SB XLT 4X4 5spd, Flowmaster, 3" lift, Ram air, Arrow
> >Canopy, 36" swampers,
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Thanks much Keith I had you in mind when I asked the question. I am more
concerned with the eye bolts, trying to find minute suspension (maybe)
noises

Kent
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Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 17:06:28 -0500 (CDT)
From: Joe Edelen
Subject: FTE 97up - Explorers for 2000

Is there any information available on this vehicle for 2000 yet?

Joe


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Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 17:20:20 -0500 (CDT)
From: Joe Edelen
Subject: FTE 97up - '99 Explorer Option

Read an article that said that the "Rear Load Leveling" option
actually helped imporve the everyday ride of the Explorer, even just
going down the interstate highway. Anyone have any first hand
knowledge or technical information to support that thesis?

Thanks - Joe

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Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 17:25:01 -0500 (CDT)
From: Joe Edelen
Subject: FTE 97up - '99 Explorer Towing Capacity

I almost never see an Explorer going down the highway towing
anything. In the winter I tow a 4-place snowmobile trailer behind my
Suburban, and then there is my boat and summer trailer which I use on
occasion. Can the V6 or the V8 that you can get with the Explorer
handle the weight of a 3,000 lb trailer with ease so that the driver
and passengers do not come out of the trip feeling like the trailer
was driving the vehicle (considering the lighter vehicle of the
Explorer compared to the Suburban)? I don't mind going a little
slower when I would do the towing either.

Thanks
Joe


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Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 19:10:47 -0400
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - '99 Explorer Towing Capacity

Our (my wife's) Explorer has the V-8 w/All Wheel Drive (all the time); it
also has the factor tow package and 3.73LS rear axle. This is about the
only type of Explorer that I would feel comfortable towing a medium-sized
load with.

Keith

'99 F-350 SuperDuty / 6.8L V-10 / 4X4 / XLT / SuperCab / Longbed / Factory
Snow-Plow Package / Tuff-Country 3.5" Lift / 8' Fisher Plow w/FishStik / Tow
/ Class V / 4-Wheel OTF / Cloth Captains 1-power / Off-Road / SRW / Power TT
Mirrors / Automatic w/Power-Take-off

'98 Expedition 5.4L V-8 / 4X4 / XLT / Tow / Off-Road / Rear Air / 3rd Seat /
17" / 3.73LS

'98 Explorer 5/0L V-8 / All Wheel Drive / XLT / Mach / MoonRoof / 3.73LS


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From: Joe Edelen
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Sunday, May 16, 1999 6:28 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - '99 Explorer Towing Capacity


>I almost never see an Explorer going down the highway towing
>anything. In the winter I tow a 4-place snowmobile trailer behind my
>Suburban, and then there is my boat and summer trailer which I use on
>occasion. Can the V6 or the V8 that you can get with the Explorer
>handle the weight of a 3,000 lb trailer with ease so that the driver
>and passengers do not come out of the trip feeling like the trailer
>was driving the vehicle (considering the lighter vehicle of the
>Explorer compared to the Suburban)? I don't mind going a little
>slower when I would do the towing either.
>
>Thanks
>Joe
>
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Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 22:45:22 -0500
From: "Ronald Palmer"
Subject: FTE 97up - Repairing a scratched dashboard

Hello All

Has anyone out there had any luck repairing a scratch on a dash board?

I have a scratch on the passenger side air bag cover......it scratched the
color off......it is black underneath. It looks kinda bad and I would like
to get it repaired. I have no idea how this happened.....I noticed it when I
was cleaning the other day. I know there is paint that car stereo installers
use to paint stereo faceplates to match the dash color. Would this be an
alternative. Should I bring it to the dealer for repair. I do not want
overspray all ove the inside of my truck just for a scratch.......i really
do not trust the service depts. Is there somewhere else that I could
possible take it for a repair......or is there a product that can be
purchased for a do it yorself repair? The interior of my truck is Med
Prairie Tan......and the black underneath really stands out.

Tim Alsop......do you have any ideas for a repair???? What woud you do for a
repair like this at your dealership?

Any input would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks In Advance

Ron

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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 02:15:17 EDT
From: SUGGSRD aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Need rear seats of extended cab F-250 HD

The back seats of the extended cab full sive truck are the worst in the
industry. Adults can't sit there and when my kids fall asleep in the car
seats there heads always fall forward because the seat back is nearly
vertical. The latest trucks on the market have much better seats. I love my
truck but I am not looking forward to long trips this summer if the kids
can't be made more comfortable.

Does anyone make an after-market seat for this truck. Also is there an
after-market box that would fit under the seat so thing that I place under
there don't slide out when I stop fast.
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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 01:41:50 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Douglas R. Floyd"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Need rear seats of extended cab F-250 HD

>
> The back seats of the extended cab full sive truck are the worst in the
> industry. Adults can't sit there and when my kids fall asleep in the car
> seats there heads always fall forward because the seat back is nearly
> vertical. The latest trucks on the market have much better seats. I love my
> truck but I am not looking forward to long trips this summer if the kids
> can't be made more comfortable.
>
> Does anyone make an after-market seat for this truck. Also is there an
> after-market box that would fit under the seat so thing that I place under
> there don't slide out when I stop fast.

This is why my next truck is going to be a crew cab. There is just so
much space to work with with a regular extended cab.

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Douglas R. Floyd | Mirror Mirror on the wall
| True hope lies beyond the coast
Disclaimer: | You're a damned kind can't you see
I speak for myself, not IBM. | That tomorrow bears insanity -- Blind Guardian....


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