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Re: FTE 97up - Lowering a new truck?
Re: FTE 97up - Lowering a new truck?
Re: FTE 97up - Lowering a new truck?
Re: FTE 97up - The Case of the Missing Weatherstrips
Re: FTE 97up - Lowering a new truck?
Re: FTE 97up - Control Trac and Limited Slip Differential
Re: FTE 97up - 4L SOHC and 5L V8
Re: FTE 97up - 2000 Super Duty
Re: FTE 97up - Lowering a new truck?
FTE 97up - no light prairie tan clearcoat metallic for '00 forwarded for zman
Re: FTE 97up - Lowering a new truck?
Re: FTE 97up - Lowering a new truck?
Re: FTE 97up - Lowering a new truck?
Re: FTE 97up - Lowering a new truck?
Re: FTE 97up - Shocked
Re: FTE 97up - 4L SOHC and 5L V8

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Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 08:22:55 EDT
From: RAMWORKER aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Lowering a new truck?

C.K.,

Check out:

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://kwikee.com/steps.html

I know that the motor home steps have been successfully fitted to pickups
before, they may be just what you're looking for.

Best Regards,
Robert

In a message dated 5/13/99 9:33:25 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
ca-kid swbell.net writes:

> I've looked into having an electric or
> some kind of step that would lower and allow me easier access but no one
> seems to make one that goes low enough.
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Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 08:40:19 -0400
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Lowering a new truck?

Absolutely you can lower it. First of all get a copy of "Trucking"
magazine. That will be the one with all the low-rider trick trucks from the
50's, 60's & 70's. In the magazine are advertisements by numerous vendors
of special lowering equipment such as new reverse-arch springs, shackle
reversers, cut-down coil springs (inapplicable for the SuperDuty 4X4), and
complete front-end modification parts for ensuring the lowered truck keeps
the proper steering geometry. A quick and dirty way to lower the SuperDuty
is to take the 4" block (pre-February '99 models) or 2" block (currently
produced models) out from between the rear leaf springs and the axle. Then
go to a spring place and have the front leaves "de-arched" about 2 inches.
Your truck will sit much lower without creating too much problem with
driveline angle or steering geometry. Anymore than this and you will have
to do more changes to more parts. I don't know about you dealer, but my
dealer will put on anything I bring in, aftermarket parts, SuperChargers,
(maybe even Chevy parts!) with no problem and full warrantee coverage. Find
another dealer and explain your problem. Then mention the ADA laws and say
you need reasonable accommodation (the law does not specifically apply in
your case because it is an employer/employee issue, but the public
accommodation rules may apply).

Keith




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From: C. K. Hartline
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Date: Friday, May 14, 1999 12:35 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - Lowering a new truck?


>This will sound positively silly I'm sure, but I was reading back about the
>lifts that are coming out with the new Superduty series trucks in the 4x4
>models no doubt. Is it possible to take the lifts out entirely and let the
>truck sit lower without damaging it?
>I have a rare muscle disease, that while I'm not in a wheel chair or use a
>cane, I can't do steps worth a hoot. I've looked into having an electric
or
>some kind of step that would lower and allow me easier access but no one
>seems to make one that goes low enough. And the company isn't very hip on
>the idea of modifying their great patented design to accomodate one guy
with
>a stair deficiency. So unless I build something myself, I'm stuck with a
>step stool or I'd be happy if the truck sat a bit lower. I'm not going to
>be taking it offroad at least not in the heavy duty kind of offroading
>stuff. I was thinking of a 2000 SuperDuty F-250 4x4 Shortbed V-10, with
>either the 5 speed or the Auto
>prefer to drive>. I finally found a place here in the Saint Louis area
that
>has more than just the one Superduty. But they are all powerstroke
diesels.
>And it's too late to order one this year. I don't want to order a new
truck
>and not be able to get in it. Getting out is not a problem as I can slip
>off the seat and let gravity plant my feet on the ground, it's just the
>getting up that is the trick. When I ask the dealer about lowering or
>taking out the lift kit from the factory, they all give me that incredulous
>look of "you've got to be kidding". I just want to get my truck, and be
>able to enjoy driving it. Could I simply order it without the lift? I
was
>really wanting a Regular cab short box. But those don't exist. Any ideas
>or know of any companies that make a step or product that might be able to
>resolve this for me? If I can't get this resolved, before long, I'll be
>forced to consider a new Ranger
sissified
>Amc Pacer built into a truck...just my opinion> I've looked at both the
>Ranger and the Superduties, and I know I can get in the Ranger without a
>problem, but would really prefer the SuperDuty hands down if I can get this
>worked out.
>
>C.K.
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Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 07:38:07 PDT
From: "Frank Spor"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Lowering a new truck?

You might also push the dealer on Mobility access....They will lower the
truck, and allow you up to $1000.00 for "special needs" Modifications....But
they say it does not apply to steps.

Nathan can supply the details (IE 800 number) I will if I can find it again.

Good luck.

Frank



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Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 09:15:20 -0700
From: William Street
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - The Case of the Missing Weatherstrips

Keith Veren wrote:

> As most people on the Ford Trucks Enthusiasts site already know, some F-250
> and F-350 SuperDuty pick-ups were made and sold without the thick rubber
> weatherstripping on the bottom of each door. The vehicles most likely to be
> missing the weatherstrips are those with the factory running boards. Mine
> were missing from all 4 doors on my F-350 SuperCab (see below for vehicle
>

I took mine into the local dealership, they ordered the strips and installed
them
a couple of days ago under warranty.

[snipped]

> [snipped]

>
> weatherstrips for the Expy. This is the third time I learned something on
> the Ford Truck Enthusiast site that helped me with the Expedition!

I'll second that - I don't know if or when I'd have noticed that they were
missing
if not for this list.

Bill



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Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 09:07:24 PDT
From: "Frank Spor"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Lowering a new truck?

More info:
1-800-952-2248, and a website: www.ford.com/showrooms/us/mobility/

Good luck

Frank


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Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 14:37:28 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Control Trac and Limited Slip Differential

The limited slip is no relation to Control trac. The Limited slip is in the
rear axle allowing both wheels to provide power. The Control Trac is the
4x4 system on V-6 Explorers (and Mountaineers, Expedition, etc.) that will
put automaticly go to 4x4 if it senses wheel slipage. The Limited slip is
optional on this set-up.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, inc

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Joe Edelen
To:
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 1999 4:33 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - Control Trac and Limited Slip Differential


> With regard to Ford trucks, specifically the Explorer, are these 2
> animals the same thing? I understand the Control Trac comes with 4WD
> and the Limited Slip with AWD. Is that correct and do they basically
> do the same thing under the 2 different conditions of AWD or 4WD?
>
>
> Thanks
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Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 14:33:39 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 4L SOHC and 5L V8

I've had people that their mileage varies all over the place on mileage.
The V-6 seems to get about 2-3 MPG better than the V-8 depending on the
driver. Both V-6's seem to get simmilar mileage.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Joe Edelen
To:
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 1999 10:02 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - 4L SOHC and 5L V8


> Am preparing to purchase a 99 Explorer and am interested in specific
> information on the actual mileage that both of these engines are
> actually getting mainly on interstate driving at 75 mph and whether or
> not the rear end ration has much to do with that.
>
> It is my understanding that AWD and 4WD choices should not affect
> mileage. Is that correct?
>
> Thanks in advance for the information.
>
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Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 16:20:49 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 2000 Super Duty

Graphite remains unchanged, Denim blue replaced by dark denim blue, Praire
tan replaced by Medium Dark Parchment. It just says "woodgrain appliques
added to door trim panels and new floor mats with "Lariat" logo."

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, inc.

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Matus
To:
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 1999 8:26 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - 2000 Super Duty


> Nathan, What colors are set for the interior of the new 2000 SuperDutys?
Do
> you know what Woodgrain appointments at now going to be offered on the
> Lariat?
>
> Scott.
>
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Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 18:12:00 -0500
From: "C. K. Hartline"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Lowering a new truck?

Called the number, they referred me back to the dealer, who said 'factory
rep' says no way, as does the dealer since altering the vehicle from factory
settings would void the Ford warranty on the vehicle. Ho hum...guess I'm
gonna keep looking. The dealer does have a Superduty V-10 4x4 Crew Cab with
everything I want but the leather, and fog lamps, and he said he could
definitely get those added without a problem
the warranty? strange!>. Guess I need to go out and look at it.

Thanks again Frank,
and everyone here on the list,
C.K.



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Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 15:40:48 -0700
From: Keith Srb
Subject: FTE 97up - no light prairie tan clearcoat metallic for '00 forwarded for zman

forwarded for zman

>Can somebody tell me why ford decided to c*ncel this color for '00. That
>was the only color I really liked! I owned a black truck before and that
>was one of the worst mistakes I made. Could not keep the thing clean or
>scratch free to save my BUTT! Is there anybody at ford who would care to
>read my complaint about canceling this color? Do they have an email
>address or do I have to send it snail mail.
>
>
>upset
>joe
>

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Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 15:50:52 PDT
From: "Frank Spor"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Lowering a new truck?

They were lowering trucks for guys who "had" to tow 5th wheel RV's "under
warranty"....And then, on 2/15, they lowered ALL the new production trucks 2
inches.....I think your dealer is Acting mis- informed...probably on
purpose.


By the way, Dodge...Lists Mobility rebate in the sales brochure....Ford
makes you dig it out.

Oh there I go again....


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Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 19:43:07 -0500
From: "C. K. Hartline"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Lowering a new truck?

Yeah, I called them again and talked to the dealer and I got the same reply,
makes me wonder if they even called the factory rep or they just didn't want
to mess with it. I believe firmly that if they left the 2" lift out at the
factory and then mobility installed the electric step, I could very easily
get into this truck. After talking to the wife, we've decided not to even
look at this truck thats still on the lot. I want to order a truck and deal
specifically with price over invoice for the order, not what they have in
overhead on the lot. Get the color I want, the engine, trans, and rearend I
want, and all the options in between.

I looked at Rangers today, and I was very happy with the way the offroad
package and the 16": tires picked it up off the ground.
taken one for a test drive...'fraid I might really like one and end up
settling for the smaller truck>. Would be a very comfortable step in

truth...it's that high, but not too high> the cab of one. Was told I could
still order a Ranger fully loaded until the first of June or 2 week of June.
It's a really hard dilema. While I would be just as happy with the Ranger,
that Superduty really has my heart and whats more, I know I don't have to
worry about my towing options in the future with the SuperDuty...it'll pull
the nosehairs out of the faces on Rushmore. I looked at the price I'm
willing to pay over invoice for both the vehicles and
there is nearly an exact 10,000 dollar difference. Hence, I'm not going to
rush down to my dealer and buy what he has with a V-10 in it. If I have to
wait until the 2000 models come out and finish getting these mobility issues
resolved with the factory and the dealer, so be it. If they can't be
resolved, I'll know this just wasn't the truck for me
wouldn't be for any guy who drives?!> and I'll resolve to get a fully loaded
Ranger instead.
though I've heard great reports about the truck's performance>

Nathan, kind sir, is there anything you could find out from your factory rep
on this issue? I'd be willing to drive to Iowa next spring to get a new
truck.... The issue being, I need the truck
Shortbox V-10 Auto/Stick?> to be lower and then will add an electric step in
order to get into the truck. Would the factory be willing to leave the 2"
lift kit out at the factory on a 4x4 truck? The dealer here said 'no', but
I wasn't there to know if he called the factory rep here in Saint Louis or
not. He simply said that the factory wouldn't do it because it would void
the warranty on the truck.
reason a 4x4 has to be lifted? Other than offroad ground clearance issues?>
Thanks for anything you could find out sir.

I'm not gonna rush this truck, I'll just savor it all the more when all this
stuff is worked out and I'm in it!

C.K.

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Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 20:44:04 -0400
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Lowering a new truck?

That's BS. If you lower a truck, and the air-conditioning goes out, that
remains covered by warrantee, same with engine, etc., unless they can show
that your modifications directly resulted in the malfunction. I know, I
always put aftermarket parts on my vehicles and have never had trouble with
warrantee coverage as long as my dealer installed the equipment (or new that
the person who did was qualified). Even so, I had a long talk with my
dealer before he put on my aftermarket Tuff-Country 3-1/2" lift kit on the
front of my SuperDuty so the truck would sit level (it is a "pre-2/15/99"
w/4" rear blocks) and not droop in front when I lift the snowplow in the
winter. Since my dealer inspected everything and put the aftermarket parts
in, all my warrantee coverage is intact; except (this is fair), if the new
(Tuff-Country) springs break, I will have to get Tuff-Country to replace
them and (hopefully) pay for installation.

Keith


- -----Original Message-----
From: C. K. Hartline
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Friday, May 14, 1999 6:44 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Lowering a new truck?


>Called the number, they referred me back to the dealer, who said 'factory
>rep' says no way, as does the dealer since altering the vehicle from
factory
>settings would void the Ford warranty on the vehicle. Ho hum...guess I'm
>gonna keep looking. The dealer does have a Superduty V-10 4x4 Crew Cab
with
>everything I want but the leather, and fog lamps, and he said he could
>definitely get those added without a problem
>the warranty? strange!>. Guess I need to go out and look at it.
>
>Thanks again Frank,
>and everyone here on the list,
>C.K.
>
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Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 20:53:57 -0500
From: "C. K. Hartline"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Lowering a new truck?

Thanks for the site Robert! I'll be giving these folks a call for more
specific details and parameters on Monday morning...these steps look great!!
The only thing I would question is the way the steps fold up under the truck
when not in use...don't want to lose too much clearance.

C.K.

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Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 17:32:11 -0400
From: "Joe Merchak"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Shocked

doh.....

ever hear of static electricity??? or how about spell/grammer checker???
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From:
To:
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 1999 8:16 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - Shocked


> I get a slight shock every time I get put of my 99 SD
> ANybody know what's up? It happens as I touch the door to
> close it!
>
> Thanks, Brent
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Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 21:20:44 -0500
From: "C. K. Hartline"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 4L SOHC and 5L V8

Actually Steve her window sticker rates the mileage on the car with the
bigger engine as higher than on the same car with the smaller engine. But
in all it's no matter now. I know which rear end I want to get on my....


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