97up-list-digest Wednesday, May 12 1999 Volume 02 : Number 124



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 97up - Re:
FTE 97up - Re: rear exit dual exhaust
RE: FTE 97up - Re: rear exit dual exhaust
RE: FTE 97up - Re: rear exit dual exhaust
FTE 97up - Rear exit dual exhaust
Re: FTE 97up - is it possible
FTE 97up - F-250 Super Duty changes for 2000
FTE 97up - Re: front end alignment tech. question
FTE 97up - intermediate pipe swap done on 99 PSD

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Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 13:53:19 GMT
From: alannorthstar mindspring.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re:

Sorry, I didn't say what I meant to say....

Try this:
1. You replied to more than just the list, you sent me personal
email. Which you generally shouldn't do. (I got email at my
home addressed to me, not just your posting here in the
newsgroup.)

2. What you meant to do (I think) was post an entirely new
message with an entirely new subject line, instead of just adding
an unrelated missive to an existing subject thread.

When you want to start a new topic,=20
- -- you want to select SEND NEW MESSAGE, or whatever the
corresponding command is on your software,=20
- -- you want to make sure the only address in the TO: slot is the
appropriate FTE group
- -- and you want to enter a new, appropriate subject in the
subject slot of your software.

Glad you made up your mind about the head unit.

Later,
j Alan


On Mon, 10 May 1999 21:34:17 -0700, you wrote:

:that makes no sense... not to get off topic or anything, but I didn't =
answer
:any questions, Iasked some, and I sent it to the whole list... anyways, =
I've
:pretty much decided Im not going to get ahead unit (WAY too expensive) =
and
:instead get another amp to power my speakers.
:
:Matt
:
:-----Original Message-----
:From: alannorthstar mindspring.com
:To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
:Date: Monday, May 10, 1999 8:11 PM
:Subject: FTE 97up - Re:
:
:
:>I didn't post whatever question you're answering.
:>
:>When you answer something in the newsgroup, please make sure that
:>the address is of the newsgroup, and not a person.
:>
:>Later,
:> Alan
:>
:>
:>On Mon, 10 May 99 10:37:02 +0000, you wrote:
:>
:>:First off, I've got a few questions...
:>:
:>:1) Has anyone been able to hook up an aftermarket head unit in their
:trucks,
:>:that controls the factory (Clarion I'm told) CD changer? One that =
fits
:right
:>:and doesn't look crummy preferably, with a lot more power :).
:>:
:>:2) If not, what CD changer did you replace it with? Hopefully one =
with no
:>:modifications to anything really required :).
:>:
:>:Thats it for the questions... this weekend I installed some Kenwood
:Excelon 5x7
:>:speakers in my truck, I wanted three-ways but no one seems to make =
them
:that I
:>:could find? Anyways, they sound SUPER-SWEET! I am planning on =
installing
:some
:>:aimable tweeters as well into the door to give me even more improved
:>:performance.
:>:
:>:For pictures of my stereo as of yet, check out
:>:http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pcisys.net/~mattbert/babe/stereo.html
:>:
:>:Matt Adams
:>:http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pcisys.net/~mattbert/babe/f150.html
:>:
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Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 09:23:35 -0700
From: "Kirk Werner"
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: rear exit dual exhaust

I have always heard that if you exit pipes straight out the back, exhaust
can backdraft, and that's why exhaust pipes on most stock vehicles exit to
the sides....for instance, if you've got a kennelled dog in back of the
truck, and you have a canopy (I have yet to see a canopy that is completely
air tight), the dog would be exposed to exhaust fumes.

Am I wrong?



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Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 11:30:17 -0500
From: "Strukel, Mike"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Re: rear exit dual exhaust

You are correct. My Bronco used to have the exhaust out the back and the
fumes were horrible inside. I moved them to the side and I no longer have
the problem. I assume the same would hold true of a pickup with a topper.


Mike Strukel

> -----Original Message-----
> From:Kirk Werner [SMTP:kirkwe edmark.com]
> Sent:Tuesday, May 11, 1999 11:24 AM
> To:97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject:FTE 97up - Re: rear exit dual exhaust
>
>
>
> I have always heard that if you exit pipes straight out the back, exhaust
> can backdraft, and that's why exhaust pipes on most stock vehicles exit to
> the sides....for instance, if you've got a kennelled dog in back of the
> truck, and you have a canopy (I have yet to see a canopy that is
> completely
> air tight), the dog would be exposed to exhaust fumes.
>
> Am I wrong?
>
>
>
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Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 11:48:51 -0500
From: George Rigney
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Re: rear exit dual exhaust

Kirk,

Hopefully, this is not the beginning of a long thread of treatises on
aerodynamics. Quite simply, there is a low-pressure area at the back of a
moving vehicle, which will draw in the exhaust whether the tailpipe is
located directly below the bumper or behind the rear wheel. However, it
will also draw in a lot of the surrounding 'fresh' air. This will be mixed
right behind the vehicle and will flow away. Unless there's a leak, there
shouldn't be any difference in exhaust fume exposure whether the tailpipe
goes out to the side or to the rear. The reason many vehicles have the
pipes sticking out the sides is because the passing air stream pulls the
exhaust out more effectively. The tailpipe on my old Torino is under the
rear bumper, but points down to incorporate this same principle.

Regards,
George

1974 Gran Torino Elite 351W
1999 F250 SD CC V10

- -----Original Message-----
From: Kirk Werner [mailto:kirkwe edmark.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 11:24 AM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: rear exit dual exhaust




I have always heard that if you exit pipes straight out the back, exhaust
can backdraft, and that's why exhaust pipes on most stock vehicles exit to
the sides....for instance, if you've got a kennelled dog in back of the
truck, and you have a canopy (I have yet to see a canopy that is completely
air tight), the dog would be exposed to exhaust fumes.

Am I wrong?



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Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 13:39:59 -0400
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: FTE 97up - Rear exit dual exhaust

I probably would not install the dual exhaust out the rear on a vehicle like
the Expedition due to the potential for backdrafting exhaust gases into and
through the rear tailgate and window. However, for my open-bed F-350
pick-up, the duals out the back are great. (I have no top or camper on it).
I have not smelled a thing.

Keith


'99 F-350 SuperDuty / 6.8L V-10 / 4X4 / XLT / SuperCab / Longbed / Factory
Snow-Plow Package / Tuff-Country 3.5" Lift / 8' Fisher Plow w/FishStik / Tow
/ Class V / 4-Wheel OTF / Cloth Captains 1-power / Off-Road / SRW / Power TT
Mirrors / Automatic w/Power-Take-off

'98 Expedition 5.4L V-8 / 4X4 / XLT / Tow / Off-Road / Rear Air / 3rd Seat /
17" / 3.73LS

'98 Explorer 5/0L V-8 / All Wheel Drive / XLT / Mach / MoonRoof / 3.73LS



- -----Original Message-----
From: Kirk Werner
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 12:27 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: rear exit dual exhaust


>
>
>I have always heard that if you exit pipes straight out the back, exhaust
>can backdraft, and that's why exhaust pipes on most stock vehicles exit to
>the sides....for instance, if you've got a kennelled dog in back of the
>truck, and you have a canopy (I have yet to see a canopy that is completely
>air tight), the dog would be exposed to exhaust fumes.
>
>Am I wrong?
>
>
>
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Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 07:52:54 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - is it possible

The swap isn't a lot of work. Unfortunately the parts are very expensive.
I think the mirrors are over $100 apiece.

Nathan

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From: zman
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 2:43 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - is it possible


>to easily swap the regular ol power mirrors for the trailer tow mirrors
>on the SDs? or am I opening up a big can of worms here?
>
>
>thanks
>joe
>
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Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 12:18:58 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: FTE 97up - F-250 Super Duty changes for 2000

Colors Added
Harvest Gold (B5)
Island Blue (R2)

Colors Deleted
Light Prarie Tan
Dark Hunter Green

Interior Changes
Woodgrain appliques added to door trim panels with "Lariat" logo
Standard floormats added to XLT package
colors added
Dark Denim Blue
Medium Dark Parchment

Colors Deleted
Denim Blue
Med. Praire tan

Functional changes
Spare tire and wheel (with carrier) Standard on pickup models, (optional on
box delete)
Front tow hooks standard on all pickups
4 wheel ABS standard on XLT and Lariat trim
Standard HD battery on gas engines
Clean fuel (LEV) gasoline and diesel engine application standard on all
pickups

Options added
Bucket seats on XL in HD vinyl, HD knitted vinyl, or HD cloth with recliner
and without console
Standard fold-up rear seat on all supercabs (design deletes the upper rear
seat bolster)
Dual alternators available with Power Stroke

Options revised
New telescoping manual and power trailer tow mirrors
revised floor console

Options Deleted
Cold weather pkg. delete
Carpet on XLT door panel
Manual Lumbar support on passenger seats


Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, inc.


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Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 21:03:34 EDT
From: Cookies aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: front end alignment tech. question

OK, guys, what is the definition of "SAI Angle" in a alignment. Details
please. Also, "why" does this need to be done. BTW, it's not a MB, but that
may not matter. It's a F O R D.

Thanks guys

Randy
cookies aol.com
San Diego Section
........quick private e-mail responses get you into the Ford lovers
club........... ;-))
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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 02:34:44 EDT
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - intermediate pipe swap done on 99 PSD

Well today my buddy tlaked me into finally getting up under my 99 PSD and
installing intermediate pipe from at 99.5' PSD per Nathan's part no. that i
ordered from my FoMoCo. Dlr.
Here are my suggestions to anyone thinking about it
This was what i found on my 142" WB F250SD PSD/SC/4x4

1 . i did need to grind off stop on pipe that ford welds on
2. needed to shorten pipe around 3in for proper fit.
3. turbo does spool up better now, sounds more like a transfer truck now( a
buddys comment)
4. hey, no more givin tail gaters lil puff, much cleaner burn w/o cat, go....

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