97up-list-digest Sunday, May 9 1999 Volume 02 : Number 121



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In this issue:

FTE 97up - wax/polish
FTE 97up - 2000 F150 changes
FTE 97up - My first ford F250 SD
Re: FTE 97up - My first ford F250 SD
Re: FTE 97up - 2000 F150 changes
FTE 97up - Canopy / toppers
Re: FTE 97up - Canopy / toppers
Re: FTE 97up - Canopy / toppers
Re: FTE 97up - wax/polish
Re: FTE 97up - 2000 F150 changes
FTE 97up - Re: F-150 2WD lift kit
FTE 97up - Audio for the '99 SD

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Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 07:43:12 -0500
From: Stu Varner
Subject: FTE 97up - wax/polish

>Mike wrote:
>Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 08:08:18 -0500
>From: "Strukel, Mike"
>Subject: RE: FTE 97up - preserving paint

>I have tried just about every wax that is known to man.... or at least it
>seems like it.
>I am currently using a new wax called Zymol.

Mike,

The Zymol I use is a polish not a wax. Are they making wax now?

My system has been to wash the vehicle,
polish with Zymol, spritz with water to bring out the shine as they
recommend, then I apply
a coat of Maguire's #26 Professional Yellow Wax. This is a combo that has
provided a beautiful finish
on my 95 Crown Vic for 5 years. It still looks like brand new except on
the bumper where my wife drags the stroller in and out 3 times a week. I
feel this system every 3 months provides excellent protection.
It also takes about 5 hours to apply, remove and buff.

>It is easy to work with,
>provides a great finish and seems to hold up very well. Mcguires is also
>a very good wax, although they make numerous versions.

>One thing to keep in mind when it comes to wax. The amount of time that
>the wax will hold up is proportional to the number of times the truck gets
>washed.

True, only if you use a harsh detergent.

>I wash my truck alot. In fact most of my neighbors think that I am
>crazy (maybe right?).

Guess we are both crazy cause I wash everything alot! Save me a place at
the nut house next to the water faucet.

>So, I usually wax my truck about once a month or
>so.

WOW! Once a month? I am envious! I can't find the time or energy to do
it once a month
with the projects around the house and in the shop.

Stu
Nuke GM!
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Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 08:24:33 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: FTE 97up - 2000 F150 changes

Heres the listed changes on the F-150.

Model Series availability
Lariat focus is supercab, no longer available in regular cab.
F-250 badged vehicle (under 8500 GVW) is discontinued, replaced by F-150
7700 GVWR payload group, retains F-250 capability.

Exterior changes
Colors Added
Island Blue (R1)
Chestnut (B4)
Colors Deleted
Dark Toreador Red
Teal
4x4 decal included on rear fenders of all 4x4's (late availability)

Interior changes
Colors added
Medium parchment
Colors deleted
Medium prarie tan
new flip up 40/60 rear seat in supercab
improved 18 degree seating angle in supercab
new drivers side grab handle on a pillar
improved cupholder/ash cup design in instrument panel

Functional changes
235 tires can be had with 3.55 axle

Series changes
Lariat
New overhead console with compass, outside temp, and storage
drivers side keypad entry
new LH and RH covered vanity mirrors
Chromed Steel wheels and 17" tires
XLT
New overhead console with compass, outside temp, and storage
New LH and RH covered vanity mirrors
Carpeted floor mats with F-Series Logo.
XL
Cargo light
work Series
Cargo light

Option content changes
XL convenience group now includes Overhead console with outside temp and
compass (Same as XLT), and locking tailgate
pickup box security groupt dropped, now included in XL convenience group
3.73 axle in Off Road group replaced by 3.55, no diminution of
performance, but better economy.
In 55R Off Road group, 17" cast aluminum wheels replace Chromed steel
wheels, Off Road decal added to Lariat with 55R
BSW tires replace OWL in payload groups 622/623 for value conscious
customers, OWL optional on XL,XLT
4x4 Supercab (with 7700 GVW package) now recommended for snow plowing,
Snow plow prep group replaced with snow plow capability in all 4x4's with
7700 GVW package.
New larger cupholders in captains chairs
Two tone paint now available on XLT Flareside and XLT with Off Road
group.

Options added
7700 GVW payload group available on 4x2/4x4 Regular and supercab (139"
WB only) with 5.4L engine, increases GVWR to 7700#, incl HD components and
3.73 axle. On 4x4 4150 accommodates snow plowing

Options Availability changes
Soft tonneau cover andtow hooks now optional on Work Series (4x4 only)
Cab steps now available on XL models

Deleted options
Carpet delete on Lariat is now longer available due to low demand
Rear seat delete is no longer available because of low demand.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.




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Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 09:33:59 -0400
From: "Trinh Nguyen"
Subject: FTE 97up - My first ford F250 SD

I just bought a 99 F250 SD crew cab SB lariat 4X4 V10 a week ago. So far i
am very satisfied with it. This is the first Ford I own. Could anyone tell
me whats the differences between a differential lock and a limited slip? Are
they the same? I test drive a chevy b4 purchasing this ford, and it came
with a differential lock, whereas the ford comes with a limited slip. My
differential is a 3.73 .

Last question, has anyone installed a borla dual rear exhaust on their Super
Duties? Any comment would be much appreciated

Thanks.

Trinh Nguyen

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Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 09:55:38 EDT
From: CERESJohnG aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - My first ford F250 SD

The Chevy differential lock is probably another name for the "Gov Lock"
differential system that GM has been selling for a lot of years. It's made by
Eaton and in the smaller Differentials (S10/ K/C 10's )have had a checkered
The racing folks do NOT like them. I doubt seriously that it is a "true"
locking rear end.

The "Gov Lock" is still a "limited slip" clutch system. The distictive
feature is a centrifugal governor that is supposed to add additional clutch
force as differential wheel speed increases. The idea is OK when it works
but, they apparantly fail a lot. They are also very expensive to repair and
parts are only available through GM.

I've had one quit working on my 86 Blazer and dealer repair is about $700 +a
min of 200 for new clutches. Bearings and gaskets as needed extra. My
solution will be to replace the whole thing this summer with an Eaton
replacement based on the earlier (late 50's earlie60's_ Positraction design.
Cost is about half.

A true locker doesn't use clutches, it uses a ratcheting system to allow the
differentail motion when needed. Going around a sharp corner you will feel it
break, lock, break, lock. It's not as progressive as a clutch system which is
why the OEM's don't generally put them in.

I will gladly stand corrected on this but the only production vehicle I know
of that ever had a true locker was the Early Shelby Mustangs. They had
Detroit Lockers in them and when you drove them you knew that you were
driving a very thinly disguised barely streetable race car.

John G






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Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 09:29:11 -0500
From: "Jack"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 2000 F150 changes

Any idea when the new crew cab will be available in the F150 series?

Thanks for all the new info!
Jack




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Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 12:04:06 +700
From: bwat wa.freei.net
Subject: FTE 97up - Canopy / toppers

I need some input regarding a canopy (some folks call them
toppers) for my '99 SD LWB.....I've done some looking and the
ones I'd like are between $1000-$1200. The guy who sold me the
truck said they'd come down to their best price pretty quickly.
My question is what is their mark-up? Does that $1000 unit
cost them $600, so $800 or so would be a fair retail price OR?

As long as we're on the topic...what's the feeling about "Carpet"
inside? Many have LARGE windows to match the truck windows
seems ok to me, any thoughts?

WAX: Meguiar's Wax is a great product that I've used on autos
and boats, but my nephew (who owns a detail business) gave
me a product my MOC called BANANA WAX that works very
well. He has show cars and this is what he uses on them.
However, in the northwest, it seems no product lasts more than
3 months. I will try to find some " Liquid Glass " and give it a whirl
on both boat & truck (camper too). Once a year would be
awesome..(did you say Sears might have it?)

Thanks, Brent
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Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 14:06:22 -0700
From: "Matt Adams"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Canopy / toppers

as far as markup, I am not sure. I know my topper cost something like
$1450, its a Snugtop Hi-Liner. As far as the carpet lining, definately go
for it if you plan on sleeping back there or anything. It keeps down the
sound and also help insulate better than just the fiberglass (or whatever it
is) alone. I like the large windows in my Snugtop, but MAN you don't ever
want to break one... I broke one of the side windows, and they charged me
something like $225 for the window fixture. I even checked glass shops and
all said it was not something they could make because the glass was curved
or something stupid like that? But i love the looks of it, see for yourself,
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Matt
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From: bwat wa.freei.net
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Saturday, May 08, 1999 12:09 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - Canopy / toppers


>I need some input regarding a canopy (some folks call them
>toppers) for my '99 SD LWB.....I've done some looking and the
>ones I'd like are between $1000-$1200. The guy who sold me the
>truck said they'd come down to their best price pretty quickly.
>My question is what is their mark-up? Does that $1000 unit
>cost them $600, so $800 or so would be a fair retail price OR?
>
>As long as we're on the topic...what's the feeling about "Carpet"
>inside? Many have LARGE windows to match the truck windows
>seems ok to me, any thoughts?
>

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Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 20:55:05 -0500
From: Glenn See
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Canopy / toppers

I bought a cab high top for my '97 SC LWB F-150 in the spring of 1996 from
Century. I like the appearance better a high rise I had a former PU.
Century was one of the first to come out with a top to fit the curved bed
and curved rear cab of the new style Fords.
I have had many compliments, it is not as easy to get into as the high rise,
but does not catch any wind and the appearance offset the minor
inconvenience.

Like about 80% of the tops, it is made in Indiana, Century has a web site.
I think that I gave something over $800 installed with a hanger bar, and
custom windows. I did not like the one large window and got them to put a
couple of opera windows toward the front. Competition in this business in
strong, you usually get what you pay for, and it will pay you to shop
around. Most have a web site and can give you a list of dealers in your
area.

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Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 22:04:49 EDT
From: KCochran1 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - wax/polish

In a message dated 5/8/99 8:47:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, varners usit.net
writes:

> The Zymol I use is a polish not a wax. Are they making wax now?


The polish lists cannuba and bee's wax among the ingredients.

Doesn't that make it wax ?
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Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 23:21:35 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 2000 F150 changes

At 09:29 AM 5/8/99 -0500, you wrote:
>Any idea when the new crew cab will be available in the F150 series?
>
>Thanks for all the new info!
>Jack

Read the Ford press release about the 2000 SuperCrew on
the Ford Truck Enthusiasts web site.

Ken Payne



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Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 00:04:14 -0700
From: "Scott J. Mitchell"
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: F-150 2WD lift kit

If you are looking for that 4WD look, try Fabtech. You can lift and keep
the ride easy. They specialize in lifting 2WD's. The rear may ride
rougher if you put an add-a-leaf in, or you can install blocks. Hey,
they're the pro's. I'm sure they have a web site. I installed one of the
first one's on my old '68 F100 and it looked and rode great. (this was
about 10 yrs. ago). Hope this helps.

Scott
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Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 00:11:11 -0700
From: "Scott J. Mitchell"
Subject: FTE 97up - Audio for the '99 SD

I was appalled at the price of an AM-FM cassette/single CD form Ford
($500), so I went to my Crutchfield catalog and bought a Sony AM-FM
cassette unit and the 10-CD changer for about $475. It was a snap to....

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