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In this issue:

Re: FTE 97up - Piston slap.
Re: FTE 97up - Piston slap.
Re: FTE 97up - Surging 99 SD Diesel
Re: FTE 97up - 1999 F150 Tranny
Re: FTE 97up - Piston slap.
Re: FTE 97up - Piston slap.
FTE 97up - 5.4 L piston slap
Re: FTE 97up - 5.4 L piston slap
Re: FTE 97up - 5.4 L piston slap
RE: FTE 97up - Piston slap.
Re: FTE 97up - Piston slap.
Re: FTE 97up - Piston slap.
Re: FTE 97up - Piston slap.
Re: FTE 97up - Piston slap.
FTE 97up - Re:First oil change
Re: FTE 97up - Re:First oil change
FTE 97up - Web site
FTE 97up - web site
FTE 97up - Re: Piston Slap
Re: FTE 97up - Web site
Re: FTE 97up - Re: Piston Slap
Re: FTE 97up - Good dealership/mechanic in Fremont (S.F. Bay Area)

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Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 08:27:15 4
From: "Vaughn (VDB)"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Piston slap.


If its a design flaw, then should'nt they all do it?
I read somewhere that actually only a small percentage
of the 5.4's do it.
Now being the fact that the piston is "slapping" around
I would think that would not make for a perfect seal as far
as the rings go, which would make the engine use more
oil. Which my 5.4 seems to be doing.
I have approx. 2100 miles on since I changed the oil
and in that time my oil level, according to my dipstick,
has dropped ALOT, compared to other vehicles I've owned.
I'm wondering if the slap problem has anything to do with
that. Or does it just take a while until seals and everything
seat. I have 4000 miles on it.

My 95 Ram 5.2 used half or less as much oil in between oil
changes.

Vaughn





When I had my best friend(fully licenesed mechanic) come over
with a stethescope so we could listen to try and pinpoint this
noise, he agreed with me that it is probably piston slap. I said
that I could FEEL it through the gas pedal, he said yes most
definitely. I guess some of us have mechanical senses and some
of us don`t. These engines are not designed to have piston slap,
and the pistons do not expand as much as forged will therefore
there will always be a degree of noise heard or felt when hot. I
believe that the problem is probably too short of a skirt on the
piston because the 5.4 is just a stroked version of the 4.6
(this I read on the F-150 web-online) and it makes sense to me,
because stroking a motor gets the most displacement out of the
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Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 09:07:30 -0500
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Piston slap.

I have the '98 Expedition XLT / 4X4 / 5.4L / 3.73LS / no LLS (and the '99
F-350 / 4X4 SuperDuty with the V-10) and both engines run and sounds great.
Although I have had many different engines in the past, some of which
sounded like chain saws and others like air-conditioners, I have never had
one that had a distinctive noise when new wear-out and/or blow-up on me.
With all this talk about "piston-slap" (which, in my understanding, is the
piston hitting the head - more common in very high-compression racing
engines - my guess is that the noise you are hearing is mild wrist-pin
knock) has anyone heard about or personally had one of these 5.4L engines
FAIL???

Keith




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From: Mark Lee
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Friday, January 15, 1999 10:17 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Piston slap.


>Mine sounded like the pistons were not getting enough lubrication on
>cold start up for the first 15-30 seconds. It could be quite loud, not
>unlike lifter noise. I don't know if this is similar to your "diesel
>sound". Once the engine warms up the sound goes away. I was able to
>eliminate the sound on start up by switching to Mobil 1. It
>substantially reduced the sound immediately and over time it went away
>completely even at very cold temperatures.
>
>If your engine doesn't sound right take it to your Ford dealer and have
>them listen to your engine on cold start up. I left my truck at the
>dealer over night when I first discovered the problem. In the morning
>my service rep and head mechanic and I went out to the truck together to
>listen to the noise. In my case it was not necessary, but if your
>dealer is not convinced you have a problem, compare it to another truck
>on the lot with a new/similar engine. If there is obviously a problem,
>have them write up a work order and have them call Ford for a fix. Even
>if there is currently no fix available, have them keep the work order
>open. At least if they are aware of the problem and you keep bugging
>them every so often, you can expect to receive either a fix or a new
>engine at some later point when Ford addresses the problem finally. In
>my case, even though my warrantee miles are up, the open work order is
>enough to keep a free fix available to me. I do call every couple-three
>weeks to keep them on their toes. So far no fix is available.
>
>Best of luck!
>
>Vaughn (VDB) wrote:
>>
>> When somebody, sorry I forgot who, mentioned
>> that the dreaded piston slap sounded somewhat like a
>> diesel, an alarm went off in my head because mine
>> sounds, although real subtle, like that.
>> At least to me its not real audible but it does
>> have a diesel sound. Matter of fact its sounded that
>> way since new (4000 miles now) my brother even mentioned
>> that "man it sounds almost like a diesel".
>> But to me its barely there. Now what should I do?
>> Just leave it until it seems to get worse, if it does?
>> Or take it into the dealer and see what they say?
>> I would think by now most dealers would be aware of
>> this problem and (hopefully) react accordingly.
>> I'm going to let my brother (jet pilot, ex mechanic) listen
>> to it again and see what he thinks....
>>
>> Thanks
>> Vaughn
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Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 07:58:42 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Surging 99 SD Diesel

Almost every truck I have on the lot does this (gas or Diesel). What is
happening is your truck is learning. It has never run in that situation
(temp, humidity, pressure, etc.) and it is learning what to do. If it
continues on after a few weeks then I'd start checking into it.

Nathan

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From: Michael Ruth
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Date: Saturday, January 16, 1999 12:46 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - Surging 99 SD Diesel


>HI All!
>My 99 Superduty Powerstroke has a severe surge every morning after the
>truck has sat in the cold for at least 12 hours. It starts up and runs
>high to low , high to low and so on untill it either cuts out or
>smooths out. Anyone else experience this? Please let me know bevause
>my dealer is puzzeled.
>Mike
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Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 08:04:20 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 1999 F150 Tranny

The F-150 with the 5.4L comes with the 4R70W (except with California
Emissions, then E4OD). The 4R100 is basically an E4OD on steroids. I think
the case is slightly bigger and all the internal parts are stronger to
handle the extra torque of the Diesel this year. The E4OD is a stout
transmission and can handle lots of torque itself. The 4R70W is a good
transmission (haven't had to change any yet), but is different than the
E4OD. It is slightly smaller and seems to "eat" less power than the E4OD
making trucks with this tranny seem more responsive. It doesn't have the
ability to handle as much torque as the E40D but can still handle quite a
bit. The owner of the local transmission shop prefers this transmission in
his truck due to snow plowing use. He says it can handle repeated
forward-reverse shifts better.

Nathan Bernard

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From: Rick Heis
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Saturday, January 16, 1999 12:24 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - 1999 F150 Tranny


>
>Hello,
>
>Just wanted to comfirm which transmission the 1999 F150 5.4 SC SB has.
>Is it the 4R100W or 4R70W or E4OD?
>
>Also, if it is the 4R100W, what are the differences compared to the 4R70W?
>I checked out the baumann engineering web site, but no information on the
>4R100W...
>
>Thanks,
>
>Rick Heis
>Morgantown, WV
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Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 06:15:42 -0800
From: Kent Tombs
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Piston slap.

"Vaughn (VDB)" wrote:
>
>
> If its a design flaw, then should'nt they all do it?
> I read somewhere that actually only a small percentage
> of the 5.4's do it.
> Now being the fact that the piston is "slapping" around
> I would think that would not make for a perfect seal as far
> as the rings go, which would make the engine use more
> oil. Which my 5.4 seems to be doing.
> I have approx. 2100 miles on since I changed the oil
> and in that time my oil level, according to my dipstick,
> has dropped ALOT, compared to other vehicles I've owned.
> I'm wondering if the slap problem has anything to do with
> that. Or does it just take a while until seals and everything
> seat. I have 4000 miles on it.
>
> My 95 Ram 5.2 used half or less as much oil in between oil
> changes.
>
> Vaughn
>
> When I had my best friend(fully licenesed mechanic) come over
> with a stethescope so we could listen to try and pinpoint this
> noise, he agreed with me that it is probably piston slap. I said
> that I could FEEL it through the gas pedal, he said yes most
> definitely. I guess some of us have mechanical senses and some
> of us don`t. These engines are not designed to have piston slap,
> and the pistons do not expand as much as forged will therefore
> there will always be a degree of noise heard or felt when hot. I
> believe that the problem is probably too short of a skirt on the
> piston because the 5.4 is just a stroked version of the 4.6
> (this I read on the F-150 web-online) and it makes sense to me,
> because stroking a motor gets the most displacement out of the
> block but will cause performance problems much sooner. == FTE:
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If you put a piston inside of a cylinder with no rings it should have a
minimal amount of clearance allowing for expansion, then when you put
the rings on they act like springs pushing outwards to create a seal. If
the clearance on the piston is a tad bit more than it should be the
rings would still seal but the piston has more room to actually move and
cause a rattle or slap like sound especially if they are short in
length.
You could have oil consumption on a new motor until the rings seat, mine
has been fine and I have not even noticed any loss. But then I have been
changing oil every 2500km. With todays technology everything should be
the same, but all it takes is one tad bit smaller piston or tad bit
bigger bore. When they manufacture they have tolerances they must stay
within but if you put the smaller piston in the larger bore you may get
a slap, but it may be within their tolerances. Considering the demand
that they are trying to fill minute mistakes seem possible to me. I also
think that there are probably a lot more engines out there doing this
but nobody knows better cause its new, they think its normal.
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Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 06:25:56 -0800
From: Kent Tombs
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Piston slap.

Keith Veren wrote:
>
> I have the '98 Expedition XLT / 4X4 / 5.4L / 3.73LS / no LLS (and the '99
> F-350 / 4X4 SuperDuty with the V-10) and both engines run and sounds great.
> Although I have had many different engines in the past, some of which
> sounded like chain saws and others like air-conditioners, I have never had
> one that had a distinctive noise when new wear-out and/or blow-up on me.
> With all this talk about "piston-slap" (which, in my understanding, is the
> piston hitting the head - more common in very high-compression racing
> engines - my guess is that the noise you are hearing is mild wrist-pin
> knock) has anyone heard about or personally had one of these 5.4L engines
> FAIL???
>
> Keith
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Lee
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Date: Friday, January 15, 1999 10:17 PM
> Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Piston slap.
>
> >Mine sounded like the pistons were not getting enough lubrication on
> >cold start up for the first 15-30 seconds. It could be quite loud, not
> >unlike lifter noise. I don't know if this is similar to your "diesel
> >sound". Once the engine warms up the sound goes away. I was able to
> >eliminate the sound on start up by switching to Mobil 1. It
> >substantially reduced the sound immediately and over time it went away
> >completely even at very cold temperatures.
> >
> >If your engine doesn't sound right take it to your Ford dealer and have
> >them listen to your engine on cold start up. I left my truck at the
> >dealer over night when I first discovered the problem. In the morning
> >my service rep and head mechanic and I went out to the truck together to
> >listen to the noise. In my case it was not necessary, but if your
> >dealer is not convinced you have a problem, compare it to another truck
> >on the lot with a new/similar engine. If there is obviously a problem,
> >have them write up a work order and have them call Ford for a fix. Even
> >if there is currently no fix available, have them keep the work order
> >open. At least if they are aware of the problem and you keep bugging
> >them every so often, you can expect to receive either a fix or a new
> >engine at some later point when Ford addresses the problem finally. In
> >my case, even though my warrantee miles are up, the open work order is
> >enough to keep a free fix available to me. I do call every couple-three
> >weeks to keep them on their toes. So far no fix is available.
> >
> >Best of luck!
> >
> >Vaughn (VDB) wrote:
> >>
> >> When somebody, sorry I forgot who, mentioned
> >> that the dreaded piston slap sounded somewhat like a
> >> diesel, an alarm went off in my head because mine
> >> sounds, although real subtle, like that.
> >> At least to me its not real audible but it does
> >> have a diesel sound. Matter of fact its sounded that
> >> way since new (4000 miles now) my brother even mentioned
> >> that "man it sounds almost like a diesel".
> >> But to me its barely there. Now what should I do?
> >> Just leave it until it seems to get worse, if it does?
> >> Or take it into the dealer and see what they say?
> >> I would think by now most dealers would be aware of
> >> this problem and (hopefully) react accordingly.
> >> I'm going to let my brother (jet pilot, ex mechanic) listen
> >> to it again and see what he thinks....
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >> Vaughn
> >> 99 F250 SD SC SB XLT 4X4 5.4 Oxford White
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Piston slap is the sides of the piston rattling against the cylinder at
he bottom of the piston, opposite end of the rings. Caused by excessive
piston to cylinder clearance, worse on a short piston as opposed to a
long piston.Not really the type of problem to cause a lot of damage just
minor wear of the piston skirt, more of an annoyance than anything.
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Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 10:11:06 -0600
From: "Jack Lubinski"
Subject: FTE 97up - 5.4 L piston slap

Vaughn, I would suggest you make an appointment with your dealer to have
them confirm your 5.4 L has piston slap. You will have to leave your
vehicle over night since the engine noise is really obvious after sitting
for 8 - 10 hours. My 5.4 L sounds like a diesel at startup for approx..
30 - 45 seconds, then will continue to knock at around 1200 - 1400 RPM for
another minute or so. The sound becomes less pronounced after that. During
extreme cold weather -20 C the sound is less audible. The piston slap on
my truck started at approx. 8,000 miles although numerous posts I have read
from others state the sound was noticed from new. Getting this problem
recorded with your dealer will set you up for warranty (when) Ford figures
out how it should be corrected .

jack lubinski

Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 17:07:56 4

From: "Vaughn (VDB)"
Subject: FTE 97up - Piston slap.

When somebody, sorry I forgot who, mentioned
that the dreaded piston slap sounded somewhat like a
diesel, an alarm went off in my head because mine
sounds, although real subtle, like that.
At least to me its not real audible but it does
have a diesel sound. Matter of fact its sounded that
way since new (4000 miles now) my brother even mentioned
that "man it sounds almost like a diesel".
But to me its barely there. Now what should I do?
Just leave it until it seems to get worse, if it does?
Or take it into the dealer and see what they say?
I would think by now most dealers would be aware of
this problem and (hopefully) react accordingly.
I'm going to let my brother (jet pilot, ex mechanic) listen
to it again and see what he thinks....


Thanks
Vaughn
99 F250 SD SC SB XLT 4X4 5.4 Oxford White


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Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 11:57:29 4
From: "Vaughn (VDB)"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 5.4 L piston slap

Hi Jack,

Thanks, Now I'm not really sure I have the problem.
When I started the truck this morning I was listening
but....I don't know, maybe I was just hearing the
exhaust along with the engine noise.
I listened close to the engine itself and I may
have been dreaming cause I don't really hear anything.
But I'll keep my ear open. It just may show up
later. But I will do as you said if it shows up.
Thanks]
Vaughn




Vaughn, I would suggest you make an appointment with your dealer
to have them confirm your 5.4 L has piston slap. You will have
to leave your vehicle over night since the engine noise is
really obvious after sitting for 8 - 10 hours. My 5.4 L sounds
like a diesel at startup for approx.. 30 - 45 seconds, then
will continue to knock at around 1200 - 1400 RPM for another
minute or so. The sound becomes less pronounced after that.
During extreme cold weather -20 C the sound is less audible.
The piston slap on my truck started at approx. 8,000 miles
although numerous posts I have read from others state the sound
was noticed from new. Getting this problem recorded with your
dealer will set you up for warranty (when) Ford figures out how
it should be corrected .

jack lubinski

Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 17:07:56 4

From: "Vaughn (VDB)"
Subject: FTE 97up - Piston slap.

When somebody, sorry I forgot who, mentioned
that the dreaded piston slap sounded somewhat like a
diesel, an alarm went off in my head because mine
sounds, although real subtle, like that.
At least to me its not real audible but it does
have a diesel sound. Matter of fact its sounded that
way since new (4000 miles now) my brother even mentioned
that "man it sounds almost like a diesel".
But to me its barely there. Now what should I do?
Just leave it until it seems to get worse, if it does?
Or take it into the dealer and see what they say?
I would think by now most dealers would be aware of
this problem and (hopefully) react accordingly.
I'm going to let my brother (jet pilot, ex mechanic) listen to
it again and see what he thinks....


Thanks
Vaughn
99 F250 SD SC SB XLT 4X4 5.4 Oxford White


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Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 12:30:26 EST
From: Bear6522 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 5.4 L piston slap

my 97 Exp had never had the piston slap noise until recently. I live in
Baton Rouge La, and the Exp has always been kept in an enclosed temp controled
garage (don't ask it's just the way my house was built), and has visited the
dealership every 5000 miles (currently 32K)
Recently I took it on a trip to northern Ark, and sure enough got caught in a
situation where it was left overnight in a hotel parking lot with the temp
dropping into the teens. The next morning when i cranked it up, sure enough,
a loud rapping noise came from the engine. I had a flashback to my Chevy Sub
diesel!! Within moments the noise stopped, and things were back to normal.
No other strange noises or occurances during the trip home. I called the
dealer the next afternoon and he said it was normal for this engine in a
"cold" situation.

I shrugged my shoulders and turned to my Exp and told it I'd never leave it
out in the cold again without a blanket.

Todd Cole
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Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 11:46:51 -0700
From: "Don Lewoniuk"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Piston slap.

If the piston skirt is going to wear what about the other half of the
situation i.e.. the cylinder wall? If this gets damaged you'll get oil
consumption due to blow by, loss of compression etc. If anybody tells me
that this isn't a big deal in a new truck then I'd be happy to trade mine
for theirs.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com
> [mailto:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Kent Tombs
> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 1999 7:26 AM
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Piston slap.
>
>

.Not really the type of problem to cause a lot of damage just
minor wear of the piston skirt, more of an annoyance than anything.
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Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 16:04:53 EST
From: LUBER1 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Piston slap.

got a 98 5.4 with almost 50,000 highway miles. since day one it has always
sounded like a slant 6 when i would start it. there is no smoke and no
excessive oil use between fills. haven't considered it to be a problem. only
complaint is the alarm has a mind of its own.
regards
mike-lubecon
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Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 16:27:07 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Piston slap.

To:
ktombs direct.ca
marklee2 home.com
Spectrum-EHS worldnet.att.net
wolf enter.net

Please trim down the original posts when responding. Quoting
2 pages of text with a 3 sentence response gets repetitive.

Ken Payne
Admin


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Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 16:11:41 -0800
From: Kent Tombs
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Piston slap.

Don Lewoniuk wrote:
>
> If the piston skirt is going to wear what about the other half of the
> situation i.e.. the cylinder wall? If this gets damaged you'll get oil
> consumption due to blow by, loss of compression etc. If anybody tells me
> that this isn't a big deal in a new truck then I'd be happy to trade mine
> for theirs.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com
> > [mailto:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Kent Tombs
> > Sent: Saturday, January 16, 1999 7:26 AM
> > To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> > Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Piston slap.
> >
> >
>
> .Not really the type of problem to cause a lot of damage just
> minor wear of the piston skirt, more of an annoyance than anything.
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The piston slap will wear on the bottom section of the cylinder plus the
piston is softer material than the cylinder therefore the wear will not
affect the actual area that the rings ride on(only partially) This is
still no excuse and should be corrected by FORD. Pronto no ifs ands or
butts. If you have this problem your best bet is to report to your
service dept so as it is noted in the event of failure after warranty.
But considering the amount these trucks cost it should be repaired ASAP
because you don`t like it and the customer is always right(If they want
any in the future) I don`t buy the we don`t know exactly what it is
theory I think their just trying to come up with an inexpensive cost
efficient fix that will benefit them the best financially. You cant
blame them either cause it is all only business and if you lose money
whats the point.
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Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 16:12:43 -0800
From: Kent Tombs
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Piston slap.

Ken Payne wrote:
>
> To:
> ktombs direct.ca
> marklee2 home.com
> Spectrum-EHS worldnet.att.net
> wolf enter.net
>
> Please trim down the original posts when responding. Quoting
> 2 pages of text with a 3 sentence response gets repetitive.
>
> Ken Payne
> Admin
>
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OK
Kent
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Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 19:43:50 -0500
From: RICK KANE
Subject: FTE 97up - Re:First oil change

I ordered my F-250 SC SD PSD on September 2 and picked it up on Jan. 7.
So far I have no complaints. When talking to my salesman the other day,
he reminded me to bring it in at 5000 miles for my free first oil
change. I said that would be my second or third change. He told me
that Ford issued a bulletin saying that the oil shouldn't be changed
before 5000 miles to allow everything to "seat". I've never run a new
vehicle for more that 1500 miles before the first change.
Has anyone else heard of this bulletin? When are you folks changing
your oil for the first time? Any answers will be greatly appreciated.

Rick Kane

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Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 20:08:09 4
From: "Vaughn (VDB)"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re:First oil change

I changed mine at 1850.
I did not hear anything about the 5000
oil change.
Matter of fact I was going to change it again tomorrow
with 2100 more miles on it.

Vaughn



I ordered my F-250 SC SD PSD on September 2 and picked it up on
Jan. 7. So far I have no complaints. When talking to my
salesman the other day, he reminded me to bring it in at 5000
miles for my free first oil change. I said that would be my
second or third change. He told me that Ford issued a bulletin
saying that the oil shouldn't be changed before 5000 miles to
allow everything to "seat". I've never run a new vehicle for
more that 1500 miles before the first change. Has anyone else
heard of this bulletin? When are you folks changing your oil
for the first time? Any answers will be greatly appreciated.

Rick Kane

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Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 20:18:12 -0600
From: "Jack"
Subject: FTE 97up - Web site

Has anyone had trouble connecting to www.blueovalnews.com
lately? The past several days I haven't been able to get to it.

Jack



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Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 20:19:01 -0600
From: "Jack"
Subject: FTE 97up - web site

Has anyone had trouble connecting to www.blueovalnews.com
lately? The past several days I haven't been able to get to it.

Jack



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Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 21:54:38 -0600
From: "Ronald Palmer"
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Piston Slap

Please ignore my ignorance........But what exactly is stroking an engine? I
currently have a 1998 F150 with the 4.6L and no piston slap (yet) at almost
7,000 miles. Just curious of what a stroked engine is.

Thanks in advance

Ron


>When I had my best friend(fully licenesed mechanic) come over with a
>stethescope so we could listen to try and pinpoint this noise, he agreed
>with me that it is probably piston slap. I said that I could FEEL it
>through the gas pedal, he said yes most definitely. I guess some of us
>have mechanical senses and some of us don`t. These engines are not
>designed to have piston slap, and the pistons do not expand as much as
>forged will therefore there will always be a degree of noise heard or
>felt when hot. I believe that the problem is probably too short of a
>skirt on the piston because the 5.4 is just a stroked version of the 4.6
>(this I read on the F-150 web-online) and it makes sense to me, because
>stroking a motor gets the most displacement out of the block but will
>cause performance problems much sooner.
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Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 20:05:48 -0800
From: "Neil Plocek"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Web site

same problem here I get a big access FORBIDDEN message

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Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 22:39:18 -0800
From: Kent Tombs
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Piston Slap

Ronald Palmer wrote:
>
> Please ignore my ignorance........But what exactly is stroking an engine? I
> currently have a 1998 F150 with the 4.6L and no piston slap (yet) at almost
> 7,000 miles. Just curious of what a stroked engine is.
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Ron
>
> >When I had my best friend(fully licenesed mechanic) come over with a
> >stethescope so we could listen to try and pinpoint this noise, he agreed
> >with me that it is probably piston slap. I said that I could FEEL it
> >through the gas pedal, he said yes most definitely. I guess some of us
> >have mechanical senses and some of us don`t. These engines are not
> >designed to have piston slap, and the pistons do not expand as much as
> >forged will therefore there will always be a degree of noise heard or
> >felt when hot. I believe that the problem is probably too short of a
> >skirt on the piston because the 5.4 is just a stroked version of the 4.6
> >(this I read on the F-150 web-online) and it makes sense to me, because
> >stroking a motor gets the most displacement out of the block but will
> >cause performance problems much sooner.
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To stroke a 4.6 you would use a different crank that would allow the
piston to utilize the complete length of the bore. therefore needing a
shorter piston with higher ring grooves and different connecting rod so
as not to come in contact with the crankshaft.
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Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 22:57:09 -0800
From: The Hepburn
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Good dealership/mechanic in Fremont (S.F. Bay Area)

George Passidakis wrote:
>
> I too, live in Fremont CA and am awaiting my F-350 PSD 4x4. I heard that Mission
> Ford in San Jose (880 and Brokaw) may be the best in the area for servicing trucks.
> No real experience though.
>
Mission Ford is low on my list, for both sales and service. On my 1990
F350 I had
a power steering leak and took it to them. They kept it for a day and said
they
tightened the clamp on the low pressure hose. THe next day I took it back
because
it was still leaking. They kept it for another day, and said they replaced
the
clamp with two new clamps. I took it back the next day because it was
STILL leaking,
and they finally decided the seals were bad, and rebuilt the pump. It
ended up
costing me over $200, and 3 trips to them.....


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