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In this issue:

Re: FTE 97up - Trans. In Line Filter
Re: FTE 97up - questions on Ford Ranger front end pull
FTE 97up - front end pull
FTE 97up - CB antennas
FTE 97up - Re: Ford Ranger front end pulls to right
Re: FTE 97up - Re: Ford Ranger front end pulls to right
Re: FTE 97up - CB antennas
FTE 97up - SD Radio Removal
Re: FTE 97up - SD Radio Removal
FTE 97up - Re: relay question
FTE 97up - 2000 F-Series.
Re: FTE 97up - SD Radio Removal
Re: FTE 97up - 2000 F-Series.
FTE 97up - Latest recall information on the web site
Re: FTE 97up - 2000 F-Series.
Re: FTE 97up - CB antennas
FTE 97up - Silver Paint Fade?
Re: FTE 97up - Re: Ford Ranger front end pulls to right
Re: FTE 97up - Silver Paint Fade?

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Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 05:21:26 PDT
From: "Scott Matus"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Trans. In Line Filter

Dan, I have the same driveline as you do. I cannot help with the gear
noise, truck only has 258 Mi on it.
The ZF 6-Speed does not have a magnetic drain plug. If you are looking to
buy one it is a straight -10 thread O-ringed plug. The filler plug is the
same. I installed a Permacool #1211 in-line filter and are using a WIX
filter. I cannot tell you which line is supply and return, but if you reply
back to me I'll look tonight. I mounted it on the right frame rail just
behind the radiator shroud.
The trans only takes 3.4 qts of ATF. I was acustomed to filling it to the
bottom of the Filler hole, WRONG. You will pour in over 7 qts if you do
that.

If you find a -10 magnetic drain plug I would like to know where I can buy
one.

I also installed an Aux trans cooler, eliminating the Radiator cooling
lines.

Questions, let me know.

Scott.

>From: DanBrotzman
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>Subject: FTE 97up - Trans. In Line Filter
>Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 16:56:51 -0500
>
>Received a direct mail card from "Magnefine" advertising in line magnetic
>oil filters for automatic transmissions. They list a web site at
>www.nationalfleetservices earthlink.com but I could not get it to work.
>Also list a phone # 313-923-1799 & fax 313-923-1795. Has any one had any
>experience with this company? I have a 99 SD F350 PSD with a 6SPD manual
>and want to put an oil filter inline with one of the transmission cooler
>lines.
>Can someone tell me if the 6 speed manual transmissions have magnetic drain
>plugs like Fuller transmissions and Spicer use?
>For those who have the 6 spd manual do you experience a loud resonent gear
>noise between 700 and 800 RPM? Sounds like a bad input shaft bearing or a
>lot of back lash between the input gear and counter shaft gear only at that
>RPM range.
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Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 07:24:29 -0500
From: sseeplane juno.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - questions on Ford Ranger front end pull

I'll go with the "Check the tires" approach. A slipped belt on a radial
can make a tire pull as well as run out of balance. I've had a brand new
Michelin have a slipped belt. (Michelin replaced it.)

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Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 07:44:48 -0500
From: Janster
Subject: FTE 97up - front end pull

Hey Randy,

My '96 F150 4x4 also pulled severely to the right after I had the z-bart
undercoating put in. The application was very sloppy. They leaked some
stuff into the brake lining and, hence, the pull. After cleaning it out,
it still pulled to the right. After a few times in taking the truck back
and forth to the delaer, I finally asked for the mechanic who last
worked on it and said it was okay, to come w/ me for a drive. I drove it
beforehand and knew it was still wrong. I had the mechanic drive it and
he agreed. Try doing that. Sometimes the equipment may say one thing and
human feel says another!

'99 F250 SuperDuty, 4x4

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Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 07:54:37 -0500
From: Janster
Subject: FTE 97up - CB antennas

Hi Folks,

I have a CB, whip antenna w/ magnetic mounting base, and SWR meter. In
trying to tune the whip antenna, I've gotten very frustrated. The tuning
involves cutting about 1/8" off of the end of the whip antenna then
putting it back into the base and tightening the allen screw back down.
Very tedious. After about an 1 & 1/2 inches so far, I have yet to get a
good SWR reading. I'm now thinking of getting one of those "Firestix"
brand antennas that are easy for tuning. I'm also thinking of mounting
the CB on the lower dash area above my right knee. Anybody have any
thoughts on the above?

'99 F250 SuperDuty, 4x4

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Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 10:08:33 EDT
From: Cookies aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Ford Ranger front end pulls to right


for
> it. They make up every cockamamie excuse. Tires have been replaced,
aligned,
>
> etc., friggin thing still pulls to the right.
>
> Ideas???? Technical know-how from Ford?
>
> Let er rip- I'm all ears >>

~~~~~ Did I mention that this was ALL the time, not just when braking??
Thanks for the ideas/suggestions so far, but please tell me if there is more
I should be looking at in a non-braking driving environment situation, it's
ALL the time . BTW, front tires have been replaced once- no difference.

Randy
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Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 10:37:10 -0400
From: "Kenneth J. Nagy"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Ford Ranger front end pulls to right

Since the brake pads *always* have slight contact with the rotor, you will
have the problem all the time, if say, a rotor is out of round, as mine was.
Also, one caliper might be making slightly more contact, creating a pull, in
the event of a "sticky caliper". I'm not saying this is definitely the
problem, but did you try jacking the front end off the ground and spinning
each tire? Checking to see that they each have the same resistance.


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Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Ford Ranger front end pulls to right


>
>
>
times
> for
> > it. They make up every cockamamie excuse. Tires have been replaced,
> aligned,
> >
> > etc., friggin thing still pulls to the right.
> >
> > Ideas???? Technical know-how from Ford?
> >
> > Let er rip- I'm all ears >>
>
> ~~~~~ Did I mention that this was ALL the time, not just when braking??
> Thanks for the ideas/suggestions so far, but please tell me if there is
more
> I should be looking at in a non-braking driving environment situation,
it's
> ALL the time . BTW, front tires have been replaced once- no difference.
>
> Randy
> cookies aol.com
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Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 11:12:56 -0400
From: "Kenneth J. Nagy"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - CB antennas

I've had very good experience with Firestick antennas, they are also good
for pushing a little extra heat (I ran a 400watt amp with SWR around 1.8)

Ken

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From: Janster
To: 97 up list
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 1999 8:54 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - CB antennas


> Hi Folks,
>
> I have a CB, whip antenna w/ magnetic mounting base, and SWR meter. In
> trying to tune the whip antenna, I've gotten very frustrated. The tuning
> involves cutting about 1/8" off of the end of the whip antenna then
> putting it back into the base and tightening the allen screw back down.
> Very tedious. After about an 1 & 1/2 inches so far, I have yet to get a
> good SWR reading. I'm now thinking of getting one of those "Firestix"
> brand antennas that are easy for tuning. I'm also thinking of mounting
> the CB on the lower dash area above my right knee. Anybody have any
> thoughts on the above?
>
> '99 F250 SuperDuty, 4x4
>
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Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 09:42:06 PDT
From: "Scott Matus"
Subject: FTE 97up - SD Radio Removal

Has anyone had problems removing the factory AM/FM/CD/Cassette radio from
your Super Duty? I had a removal tool and attempted to remove it, but the
thing would not budge. I fabracted some U-shaped pieces of 12GA solid
electrical wire and pulled my A** off, it would not come out. Is there a
rear mounting bracket that I must remove? I looked throughout the Service
Manual CD and it soes not mention any alternate methods for removal.

Any help appreceiated.

Scott Matus


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Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 13:03:16 EDT
From: JCBANVILLE aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - SD Radio Removal

In a message dated 99-05-05 12:52:11 EDT, you write:


your Super Duty? I had a removal tool and attempted to remove it, but the
thing would not budge. I fabracted some U-shaped pieces of 12GA solid
electrical wire and pulled my A** off, it would not come out. Is there a
rear mounting bracket that I must remove? I looked throughout the Service
Manual CD and it soes not mention any alternate methods for removal. >>

I had trouble myself. Once the tools are seated (you'll hear/feel a snap),
you push them outward and pull.

JimB
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Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 10:28:10 PDT
From: "Scott Matus"
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: relay question

I used the Hot in Run or accessory to drive a relay that turns on my
electrical loads. The relay only pulls a small amount of current ~50 to
100ma to energize. That should not disrupt the factory circuit. I did not
want the circuit energised all the time (especially when starting) so I
tapped into the "Hot in Run or Accessory" circuit. So when I'm starting the
aux equipment is off, but when the ingition key returns to the "run"
position the equipment is now on. I can also put the key in the "accessory"
position with the engine off to run the equipment.

Scott.

>From: Janster
>To: Scott Matus
>Subject: relay question
>Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 12:05:09 -0500
>
>Thats an interesting reply you sent me. Lots of info, thanks. I can
>understand the need for the 6 gang relay and fuse box. About the need
>for a relay on higher loads: when activating a device, do you activate
>the relay which then connects power to the device? As you can see, I'm
>not 100% sure for the function of a relay.
>
>Jan
>
> >No, I did not install a CB, but Installed a 6 gang relay and fuse box
>just
> >right of the fuse panel under the headlight switch. I also tapped into
>the
> >ignition harness to pull all 4 signals for:
> >Hot in run,
> >Hot in start,
> >Hot in run or accessory, and
> >Hot in start or run.
> >
> >I'm using each of these signals to run a separate relay to drive
>different
> >devices. You don't want to drive any large loads without supplying a
> >separate power source for it, switched with a relay. These on-board
> >computers perform circuit tests for everything and i don't want to
>alter the
> >circuit's characteristics.
> >
> >Scott.
>
> >>
> >>From: Janster
> >>To: mr_scsi hotmail.com
> >>Subject: CB install
> >>Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 10:57:30 -0500
> >>
> >>Hey Scott,
> >>
> >>Thanks for the info and invite; I might take you up on it. Did you
>mount
> >>a CB in your SD? If so, where?
> >>
> >>Jan
> >>
> > >Regarding your installation of CB on your 99 F250 SD.
> > >
> > >I have done extensive electrical moods to my 99 F350. THere is
>plenty
> >of
> > >options and space available for electrical taps and mounting
>equipment.
> >
> > >Unlike many Junk being sold today with plastic Dash boards the SD has
>a
> >
> > >complete metal frame behind the dash. Oh, I loved my old '60 Chevy,
> >metal in
> > >abundance. IF you need any wiring schematics for the Power
> >distribution or
> > >the Ignition switch, write back.
> > >
> > >Scott.
> > >
> > >
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Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 12:37:26 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: FTE 97up - 2000 F-Series.

First I apologize for not answering questions, but my computer crashed and I
have to use someone else's until it gets fixed.

I was playing on the Ford ordering computer today and orders for 2000
F-Series can now be placed. We have not gotten ordering guides yet, but I
did some playing to see what changes there are. The Super Duty's look to be
about the same except there is going to be a telescoping trailer tow mirror
option and some color changes, (Island Blue, and Harvest Gold). F-Series LD
look to be getting a overhead console on XLT and Lariat and I saw the color
Chestnut is going to be available. There still aren't any prices and
vehicles are still 4 months (maybe 5) off. But this gives a slight idea of
changes.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.


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Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 13:56:00 EDT
From: ATUMLAW aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - SD Radio Removal

In a message dated 5/5/99 1:11:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
JCBANVILLE aol.com writes:


you push them outward and pull. >>

Be careful, while I was doing mine, I accidentally scratched my dashboard
because the DIN puller slipped out of its hole while I was pulling.

VTY

Atilla Babacan
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Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 13:29:45 -0500
From: "Shane"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 2000 F-Series.

How about the 2000 Vans. I'm going to order a E-350 PSD and heard they're not
taking orders on '99's anymore.

Thanks,
Shane Gibreal

Union Auto wrote:

> First I apologize for not answering questions, but my computer crashed and I
> have to use someone else's until it gets fixed.
>
> I was playing on the Ford ordering computer today and orders for 2000
> F-Series can now be placed. We have not gotten ordering guides yet, but I
> did some playing to see what changes there are. The Super Duty's look to be
> about the same except there is going to be a telescoping trailer tow mirror
> option and some color changes, (Island Blue, and Harvest Gold). F-Series LD
> look to be getting a overhead console on XLT and Lariat and I saw the color
> Chestnut is going to be available. There still aren't any prices and
> vehicles are still 4 months (maybe 5) off. But this gives a slight idea of
> changes.
>
> Nathan Bernard
> Union Auto, Inc.
>
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Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 15:24:45 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 97up - Latest recall information on the web site

Ford's latest vehicle campaign information concerning the Ford
Expedition and Lincoln Navigator has been added to the news
section of the Ford Truck Enthusiasts web site.

http://www.ford-trucks.com

Ken Payne
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Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 16:59:50 EDT
From: ATUMLAW aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 2000 F-Series.

In a message dated 5/5/99 1:44:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
unionaut adiis.net writes:


look to be getting a overhead console on XLT and Lariat >>

Anyone know what type of overhead console this is. I wonder if it can be
retrofitted to a 99. Any information would be greatly appreciated.

Very Truly Yours,

Atilla Babacan
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Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 20:28:08 -0400
From: Bill
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - CB antennas

This may help you adjust the length of the whip, check the
SWR on channel 1 (write it down) now check channel 40 or
your highest channel, if channel 1 has a better SWR then 40
your whip needs to be shorter, if your high channel has a
better SWR then channel 1 the whip needs to be longer.

Janster wrote:
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> I have a CB, whip antenna w/ magnetic mounting base, and SWR meter. In
> trying to tune the whip antenna, I've gotten very frustrated. The tuning
> involves cutting about 1/8" off of the end of the whip antenna then
> putting it back into the base and tightening the allen screw back down.
> Very tedious. After about an 1 & 1/2 inches so far, I have yet to get a
> good SWR reading. I'm now thinking of getting one of those "Firestix"
> brand antennas that are easy for tuning. I'm also thinking of mounting
> the CB on the lower dash area above my right knee. Anybody have any
> thoughts on the above?
>
> '99 F250 SuperDuty, 4x4
>
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Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 19:59:37 -0500
From: Landen Stoker
Subject: FTE 97up - Silver Paint Fade?

I am looking at some 99's , and really like the look of the metallic
silver. I have been told to stay away from silver because it fades. Is this a
myth now, or does even the clear coat silver paints fade? It's a shame Ford
doesn't have at least a gray color or something similar.

Thanks

Landen Stoker

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Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 23:21:13 EDT
From: RAMWORKER aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Ford Ranger front end pulls to right

Randy,

While you've got both front wheels off the ground to make the test Kenneth
described below, do another test for an obscure possible problem. While the
wheels are hanging free, off the ground, and free to turn throughout their
turning radius, adjust the steering wheel to the straight ahead position,
then, start the engine and see if the power steering system turns the wheels
on it's own, without any input from you. Like I say, it's a pretty obscure
problem but as long as you've got the truck jacked up, it's worth a shot.

Best Regards,
Robert

In a message dated 5/5/99 7:38:48 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
knagy ixtelecom.com writes:

> Since the brake pads *always* have slight contact with the rotor, you will
> have the problem all the time, if say, a rotor is out of round, as mine
was.
> Also, one caliper might be making slightly more contact, creating a pull,
in
> the event of a "sticky caliper". I'm not saying this is definitely the
> problem, but did you try jacking the front end off the ground and spinning
> each tire? Checking to see that they each have the same resistance.
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Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 23:50:11 EDT
From: RAMWORKER aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Silver Paint Fade?

Landen,

My opinion is go for it! Here's my reasoning. I have an '82 Ramcharger,
don't start on me, paint isn't specific to a specific auto maker, that I
purchased new. The truck is two tone blue, light blue, almost gray on the
hood and roof, dark blue on the side panels. By '86, I was seeing black
specks on the hood and tried to polish them out, I succeeded only in making
more black specks, as you may have guessed by now, Chrysler used black primer
for this color combo. So, at four years old, the original non-clear coat
finish is pretty well history. I had it repainted the original colors, after
agonizing about the possible recurrence of the fading problem. What I
discovered is that it is pretty much SOP (standard operating procedure) to
put ultraviolet light blocking agents in the clear coat. Now, almost ten
tears after the repaint, the truck still looks good with no evidence of
fading yet. With any luck, a paint and body type will better explain how this....

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