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In this issue:

FTE 97up - Bed Mats
Re: FTE 97up - Re: Bed Mats
FTE 97up - EPA proposes new vehicle emissions rule
FTE 97up - Borla exhaust system reverberating in cabin?
Re: FTE 97up - New EPA SUV Emissions Regs
Re: FTE 97up - New EPA SUV Emissions Regs
FTE 97up - Clarion Audio
FTE 97up - Warning: off topic post about California, feel free to delete without reading
FTE 97up - Drain plug Valve
Re: FTE 97up - Drain plug Valve
Re: FTE 97up - Drain plug Valve
RE: FTE 97up - Drain plug Valve
Re: FTE 97up - New EPA SUV Emissions Regs
FTE 97up - F150 2WD look like a 4WD
FTE 97up - 4x2 special appearance pkg
Re: FTE 97up - Borla exhaust system reverberating in cabin?
Re: FTE 97up - Warning: off topic post about California, feel free to delete without reading
FTE 97up - Rims and Tires for sale
FTE 97up - ADMIN: Pigeon Forge show
RE: FTE 97up - Drain plug Valve
RE: FTE 97up - Borla exhaust system reverberating in cabin?

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Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 08:00:50 -0400
From: j arnold
Subject: FTE 97up - Bed Mats

Just wondering if you have considered the spray on systems. I will have
that done when mine comes in. Reading the different NG's and talking to
some folks I know who have had it done... they are impressed by it


No matter how well fitting any mat is there is still the potential for
moisture forming between it and the bed eventually causing rust. I decided
to try "Rhino" lining 7 years ago on one of my trucks and have never been
more pleased with any after market product. When I had it sprayed on the
dealer told me "lifetime guarantee" to which I thought "right, sure", well,
after seven years of heavy use, everything from old lumber with rusty nails
to engine blocks and parts, I have yet to scratch thru to metal. I recently
had a gooseneck hitch put on this truck and we laughed about how hard it
was to cut a hole in the bed with this stuff on. Another great feature for
people who really use their trucks is that it is not slick when wet. No
footing problems in the rain or heavy items sliding when wet.
This process can be fairly expensive. Things might have changed since I
had one done, but the Rhino lining I got will not adhere to bare metal,
only paint. I had to have my bed sand blasted, then primered, then the
lining sprayed. Total package of bed, tailgate, and toolboxes was about
$400 (7 years ago). Fairly expensive, but I think it has been worth it. Due
to its toughness, protection, and non-slip characteristics, this product
should also work great on aluminum floored stock/horse trailers (what I
want to try it on next). Any one who uses one will know how fast manure
will rot aluminum floors around the edges, I'm planning to spray the floor
and about a foot up the walls, should work.
One last thing, I had my bed just sprayed plain black, but I understand
they can mix colors with it to make it match about anything.
Finally, I am not affiliated with these people in any way, just one very
satisfied user.

Stoney

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Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 09:10:25 -0400
From: "Kenneth J. Nagy"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Bed Mats

A word on the spray-on system...

A friend of mine had his 98 F150 done about a year ago. After some light
hauling, it still looks perfect, even though it is exposed to the harsh New
Jersey elements. I've tried to dig my fingernail into it, but the coating
is very tough.

Ken
'96 Explorer


- ----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Splaine
To:
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 1999 5:29 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Bed Mats


> Just wondering if you have considered the spray on systems. I will have
> that done when mine comes in. Reading the different NG's and talking to
> some folks I know who have had it done... they are impressed by it. It is
> more expensive.. but I don't believe any more expensive then a good
> bedliner... I may be a wrong here. I have bought a rubber mat.. a very
> heavy duty one... I believe by Rubbermaid or somesuch.. and it was great..
> but didn't protect the bed walls.... This spray on stuff is about 1/8" +
> thick and bonds tightly to the bed... not affected by the sun etc......
>
>
> Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 17:44:21 EDT
> From: GregS84725 aol.com
> Subject: FTE 97up - Bed Mats - Who sells them?
>
> Most RV dealers have them. I just bought one for my '99 F350 SC Long Bed.
It
> was $84. I'm using it for my camper. It fits great. Not sure who the
> manufacturer is. Try calling a few RV dealers who sell campers.
>
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Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 10:11:43 -0400
From: GEORGE CROLL
Subject: FTE 97up - EPA proposes new vehicle emissions rule

Well, as promised so long ago.

The following web page is where you need to go to see the EPA's PROPOSED new rule for mobile sources. While I
havent read this rule yet I am pretty sure this is the one on new SUV standards and new fuel sulfur content. I will
say that this is your chance to officially comment if you disagree with either of these rules. Another interesting thing
on this page is an advance warning about upcoming diesel fuel regulations. My guess is that these regs could
increase diesel prices.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.epa.gov/oms/tr2home.htm

EPA is required by law to respond to all comments. If you have a better idea than one of the ones proposed send in
a comment it might get put into the regulation, you never know. If I ever get time I will summarize the regs for
everyone if I get an indication that this is of interest to the group.

If you go to the site and have questions let me know. The comment period only lasts for 90 days so do not miss your
chance to participate in the public process.

Thanks
George Croll
EPA-OAR-ARD
(202)564-0162
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Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 09:09:32 -0700
From: "Andrew Chung"
Subject: FTE 97up - Borla exhaust system reverberating in cabin?

I just had a Borla cat back system installed on my 98 Explorer about a week
ago and the exhaust noise seems to be reverberating in the cabin area.
Outside, the exhaust looks and sounds great, but when I start accelerating,
the noise levels starts moving up quite quickly and at highway speeds, the
noise in the cabin is really loud. I wanted to know if this was normal for
a Borla system, and what I can do to quite things down a little bit. I did
read on a post previously about Dynamat in the trunk area? This is the first
cat-back performance system I've had in a vehicle so this might be normal
and I just don't know it. Anyone have any experience? Any comments will be
appreciated.

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Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 11:33:16 -0700
From: "Rob Bryan"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - New EPA SUV Emissions Regs

> Karl Nyhus wrote:
>>
>> What's bad about living in California? ...how about too many people, not
>> enough water, and earthquakes.
>>
>
> How about too many taxes, politicians that think they're better than the
> people they are supposed to represent, judges that think they know
> better than the voters, illegal immigrants, an environmental
> beaurocracy that ignores scientific studies that are in opposition
> to their desires, ...
>
> Alan Hepburn


Alan pretty much sums up what I hate about this state. But I'd also like to
add gasoline that costs $0.50 more than in any other state (and I'm going to
get really pissed if someone whines "It's still cheaper than Europe" again!)
and cost-of-living expenses rising out of control (anyone see what $150K
gets you in the housing market in the areas of major job
concentrations...not much).

Rob
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Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 13:45:37 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Douglas R. Floyd"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - New EPA SUV Emissions Regs



> add gasoline that costs $0.50 more than in any other state (and I'm going to
> get really pissed if someone whines "It's still cheaper than Europe" again!)
> and cost-of-living expenses rising out of control (anyone see what $150K
> gets you in the housing market in the areas of major job
> concentrations...not much).

When comparing to Europe, be aware that Europe has public transportation
almost everywhere you want to ever see. Without a vehicle in the States,
you are SOL. (My 2 cents worth on comparing Europe's inflated gas prices
to the US.)

>
> Rob


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Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 15:19:46 -0400
From: JD and Emily
Subject: FTE 97up - Clarion Audio

I have an indash Clarion CD player in my Contour and it is an outstanding
unit, bought it on sale from Crutchfield for about $150 including the plugs
that mate to the factory harness (no cutting:) ). Clarion makes a good
radio, I have no experience with their speakers however.
Hope this helps, JD

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Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 15:42:32 -0400
From: GEORGE CROLL
Subject: FTE 97up - Warning: off topic post about California, feel free to delete without reading

Enough of this stuff.

Having moved from California to the east coast a year or so ago (Wash DC to work for EPA) I will invite anyone
complaining aobut CA to come out here and live. I gurantee your perspective will change and your complaints will
end. I am already planning on moving back to CA in a couple of years. Here are some of the reasons why CA is
great.
1. Better beaces and surfing than anywhere.
2. Real mountains not just hills called mountains
3. Skiing in Tahoe or Mammoth on snow not east coast ice.
4. Yosemite, best National Park bar none. ( two hours from my home town)
5. Central coast life and climate (Santa Barbara to Pacifico)
6. Central valley fruit stands in the summer (Picked by illegal aliens no less)
7. Proximity to Mexico and the Baja peninsula (ensenada and the Baja 1000)
8. The Rubicon, Glamis, Pismo and 1000 other unnamed wheeling spots
9. Water skiing on the delta
10 Napa valley wine country

Those complaining are just looking at a glass half empty.

Just to keep things on topic think about an LA basin with a decent subway system like NY has where you could get
anywhere without traffic and no smog to boot. Might be a pretty livable place as well. Of course we wouldnt want
to sacrifice a couple of HP or pay more for our gas for that now would we. sorry about the off topic nature of this
post.
George Croll
EPA-OAR-ARD
(202)564-0162
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Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 16:04:10 -0400
From: Claude King
Subject: FTE 97up - Drain plug Valve

Awhile back someone on this board or Jason's posted the source for a valve
to replace the drain plug, search all the archives and can't find it HELP

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Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 16:21:27 EDT
From: ATUMLAW aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Drain plug Valve

In a message dated 5/3/99 4:12:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
Claude-King worldnet.att.net writes:


to replace the drain plug, search all the archives and can't find it HELP
>>

Got mine from performance products. Don't have the number on me, im at work

VTY

Atilla
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Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 13:31:17 PDT
From: "Scott Matus"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Drain plug Valve

They are for sale through Summit Racing. Summit is on the web,

Scott.

>From: Claude King
>Reply-To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>To: "'97up-list ford-trucks.com'"
>Subject: FTE 97up - Drain plug Valve
>Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 16:04:10 -0400
>
>Awhile back someone on this board or Jason's posted the source for a valve
>to replace the drain plug, search all the archives and can't find it HELP
>
>//ck
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Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 18:25:32 -0400
From: "William Suarez"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Drain plug Valve

Claude,

They are made by Fumoto Engineering in Washington State. Here's the details:

Fumoto Eng. of America
12328 Northrup Way
Bellevue, WA 98005
fax is 425-869-2558
phone is 425-869-7771

Give them a call to check on which part number you need, they are $18.00
including shipping and well worth it in my opinion.

Regards,

Bill Suarez

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com
> [mailto:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Claude King
> Sent: Monday, May 03, 1999 4:04 PM
> To: '97up-list ford-trucks.com'
> Subject: FTE 97up - Drain plug Valve
>
>
> Awhile back someone on this board or Jason's posted the source
> for a valve
> to replace the drain plug, search all the archives and can't find it HELP
>
> //ck
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Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 18:07:38 -0500
From: "Karl Nyhus"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - New EPA SUV Emissions Regs

>> Karl Nyhus wrote:
>> What's bad about living in California? ...

>Jose Pomposo Jr. wrote:
>Like i always say, If you hate it so much, why do you stick around?

I'm just saying I wouldn't live there, but I do like to visit.

P.S. I live in Minnesota. And I can't wait to see the list of things that
people come up for "What's bad about living in Minnesota." One good thing is
that we can go four-wheelin' in the snow and ice for four to six months out
of the year. If you can keep from hitting anything with your truck, it's a
blast!

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Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 16:13:57 -0700
From: "Jarchow, Jaye"
Subject: FTE 97up - F150 2WD look like a 4WD

Has anyone tried modifying an F150 2WD to look like a 4WD? Like changing
the front grill, adding wheel mouldings and shocks to lift it up and give it
a more 'aggressive' appearance? I like the looks of a 4WD much better, but
I don't like the extra cost, rougher ride, lower payload capacity and lower
gas mileage. Your thoughts?
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Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 16:45:01 -0700
From: "Jarchow, Jaye"
Subject: FTE 97up - 4x2 special appearance pkg

I was browsing thru and found this entry for a F150 2WD.
XLT 4X2 SPECIAL APPEARANCE PKG -inc: color- keyed grille/mirrors, 4x4 grille
insert
(REQ: ATLA, ORLA or MEMP or CALIF Region)
What does this mean? Is it restricted to certain regions?
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Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 20:02:27 -0400
From: "Mitchell"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Borla exhaust system reverberating in cabin?

I had a Borla exhaust in my 92 Explorer and I loved the sound. Sure it was
louder on the highway, and it was even louder when you gunned it on the
highway. That's normal for a performance exhaust. They make horsepower by
reducing restriction and voila they are louder. Enjoy it. You paid for it.
I have a Gibson catback on my 98 F150, 4.6L, SC, and it's too quiet :( I am
not into screamin straight pipe exhausts but I sure did like the burble of
the Borla and the moan under load.

Stephen



>Andrew Chung
>Subject: FTE 97up - Borla exhaust system reverberating in cabin?


>I just had a Borla cat back system installed on my 98 Explorer about a week
>ago and the exhaust noise seems to be reverberating in the cabin area.
>Outside, the exhaust looks and sounds great, but when I start accelerating,
>the noise levels starts moving up quite quickly and at highway speeds, the
>noise in the cabin is really loud. I wanted to know if this was normal for
>a Borla system, and what I can do to quite things down a little bit. I did
>read on a post previously about Dynamat in the trunk area? This is the
first
>cat-back performance system I've had in a vehicle so this might be normal
>and I just don't know it. Anyone have any experience? Any comments will be
>appreciated.
>
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Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 17:14:32 PDT
From: "Frank Spor"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Warning: off topic post about California, feel free to delete without reading

You keep talkin sense George....They will have you booted. (-:
Frank



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Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 21:20:46 -0500
From: "Blanchester Police"
Subject: FTE 97up - Rims and Tires for sale

For Sale.....
Four 1999 (factory) Ford Aluminum Slot Rims with center caps and lug nuts
with Firestone All-Terrain Tires. These are take offs from a 99 Ford F-350
4X4. Tires and Rims have 3300 miles on them.
Price is $800 or best offer.

Corey Pratt (Cincinnati/Dayton Ohio)
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Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 23:09:01 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 97up - ADMIN: Pigeon Forge show

List member Stu Varner has asked that everyone who plans
to attend the Pigeon Forge F100 Supernationals send him
your name and how many people are in your group so he
can get a head count.

He can be reached at varners usit.net

Thanks,
Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 00:42:26 -0700
From: "Andrew Chung"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Drain plug Valve

I have to agree. I did post something about the Fumoto's a while back.
They make oil changes a snap. Just grab a transparent hose from Home Depot
or your local hardware store and you're in business. Just check around the
area where your current plug is. You have to have some clearance around the
original plug to use the Fumoto, and make sure it isn't pointed down. If
the drain plug points down, I just worry that it might get knocked off by a
large speed bump or other debris.

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From:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com
[mailto:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com] On Behalf Of William Suarez
Sent:Monday, May 03, 1999 15:26
To:97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject:RE: FTE 97up - Drain plug Valve

Claude,

They are made by Fumoto Engineering in Washington State. Here's the details:

Fumoto Eng. of America
12328 Northrup Way
Bellevue, WA 98005
fax is 425-869-2558
phone is 425-869-7771

Give them a call to check on which part number you need, they are $18.00
including shipping and well worth it in my opinion.

Regards,

Bill Suarez

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com
> [mailto:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Claude King
> Sent: Monday, May 03, 1999 4:04 PM
> To: '97up-list ford-trucks.com'
> Subject: FTE 97up - Drain plug Valve
>
>
> Awhile back someone on this board or Jason's posted the source
> for a valve
> to replace the drain plug, search all the archives and can't find it HELP
>
> //ck
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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 00:46:29 -0700
From: "Andrew Chung"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Borla exhaust system reverberating in cabin?

Oh, I love the sound under most of the conditions. The burble as you call
it is really cool. My friend commented that my explorer sounds like his
friends V8 Camaro from the outside. I don't mind the increased noise, but
there are just certain RPM ranges, especially the one I like to coast on the
highway at, that just make this ear splitting reverb. I can actually get
rid of it if I crack the rear windows down. I think it's making some sort
of standing wave in the trunk area. Otherwise, I like the whole system.
Nice stainless unit, good welds, light, and the system just LOOKS good.

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From:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com
[mailto:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com] On Behalf Of Mitchell
Sent:Monday, May 03, 1999 17:02
To:97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject:Re: FTE 97up - Borla exhaust system reverberating in cabin?

I had a Borla exhaust in my 92 Explorer and I loved the sound. Sure it was
louder on the highway, and it was even louder when you gunned it on the
highway. That's normal for a performance exhaust. They make horsepower by
reducing restriction and voila they are louder. Enjoy it. You paid for it.
I have a Gibson catback on my 98 F150, 4.6L, SC, and it's too quiet :( I am
not into screamin straight pipe exhausts but I sure did like the burble of
the Borla and the moan under load.

Stephen



>Andrew Chung
>Subject: FTE 97up - Borla exhaust system reverberating in cabin?


>I just had a Borla cat back system installed on my 98 Explorer about a week
>ago and the exhaust noise seems to be reverberating in the cabin area.
>Outside, the exhaust looks and sounds great, but when I start accelerating,
....


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