FTE 97up - LOW MILEAGE

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In this issue:

FTE 97up - LOW MILEAGE
FTE 97up - New automatic transmission?
FTE 97up - Cape Hatteras Trip July 4th weekend
Re: FTE 97up - No power while towing and on freeway
Re: FTE 97up - Post 10K Miles Performance Jump?
FTE 97up - Intermediate Pipe Problems
Re: FTE 97up - New automatic transmission?
Re: FTE 97up - New automatic transmission?
RE: FTE 97up - Intermediate Pipe Problems
RE: FTE 97up - New automatic transmission?
FTE 97up - RE: ADMIN: Pigeon Forge Show, Information
RE: FTE 97up - New automatic transmission?
FTE 97up - 99 SD 6SPD PSD Gear noise - low RPM
FTE 97up - First Towing Experience
FTE 97up - Synthetic Oils
FTE 97up - "99 F350 PSD using oil every 3000 miles
Re: FTE 97up - "99 F350 PSD using oil every 3000 miles
RE: FTE 97up - "99 F350 PSD using oil every 3000 miles
Re: FTE 97up - Re: Y2K
FTE 97up - Startup RPM's
FTE 97up - Startup RPM's
FTE 97up - High RPMs

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 06:47:43 -0400
From: "Marue, Mike"
Subject: FTE 97up - LOW MILEAGE

I HAVE A 1997 F-150 WITH THE V-6.
I ONLY GET 15 MILES TO THE GALLON.
BOTH ON THE HIGHWAY AND IN THE CITY.
IS THERE ANY THING I CAN DO TO BETTER MILEAGE?
Michael Marue
Maruemi

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609-734-7023

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 07:37:05 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: FTE 97up - New automatic transmission?

I was ordering Excurions for next year and noticed that when you order the
Power Stroke it won't accept the 44E automatic transmission. (this has been
the code for the 4R100 and before that the E4OD for many years.) It instead
requires a 449 Electronic four speed automatic. I wonder if they've got a
new transmission coming that will handle more power yet?

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:53:51 -0400
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: FTE 97up - Cape Hatteras Trip July 4th weekend

Ah, good 'ol Hatteras! About 15 years ago, my buddies and I, with our
families, trekked down to Oregon Inlet (just south of Kitty-Hawk) for
camping and driving on the sand at the very wide expanse of beach north of
the inlet. Some of us also would charter fishing boats for some day
deep-sea fishing and beer drinking. After playing in the sun all day and
getting good and burned, we would shower in the cold-water-only campground
showers and go to Papaguyo's for round after round of large, strong,
salt-rimmed Margurita's. After getting quite happy, we would smoke cigars
in the little party room we had commandeered. Finally, we would all go out
to our cars where the sober ones would drive us to the local Kitty-Hawk
Go-Kart track and we would pay our dollars to go a few rounds on the track,
pretending we were in bumper cars, until we were "politely" asked to leave.
Then, with a full day under our belts, we would go back to the campground
and go to sleep, so we could do it all over again the next day. I only now
realize how fortunate we were to have so much fun with family and friends in
the outer banks of North Carolina.

Keith

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Date: Monday, April 26, 1999 8:34 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - Cape Hatteras Trip July 4th weekend

>After my last Cape Hatteras, NC trip there was some interest from others
>that would have liked to go, so I'm posting this in advance so that those
>that want to go can make plans to meet us there on one of the days. I've
>already made reservations at Avon Motel for the 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th of
>July.
>
>For those interested their site is at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.avonmotel.com/ Rates are
>something like $75 per night and pets are OK, or so we were told. If you
>want some basic info about the area go to
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ego.net/us/nc/ob/index.htm This will also list more hotels and
>even campgrounds in the area. I thought about camping, but doing it in a
>tent can be brutal in July and August.
>
>I'll try to remember to post again as it gets closer but if you want a
>motel/hotel room somewhere you better decide quickly -- I called several
>places that said they were full.
>
>Eddie Pettit
>Midlothian VA
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://surf.to/my97F150
>
>BTW, you can see pics of the terrain on my site.
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:18:38 -0500
From: "C. K. Hartline"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - No power while towing and on freeway

NO, absolutely not, if you notice something that dramatic in the performance
of a PSD,
read>, then take it back and tell them, something has been left off or
installed incorrectly. There is no excuse for a 3-4000 dollar engine option
to suddenly lose that much power, and at less than 7000 miles? as the old
commercial says, "I DON'T THINK SO!!!!" And don't feel bad about a 2nd
opinion, because it could save you
which at this point how could it not be> big bucks in the long run.

Case in point,

I have an 83 Ch*** Van C-20, since purchasing it second hand
it was more like 6th hand but with 90 something thousand on it, it doesn't
matter> I've faithfully taken it to the same place since I bought the van
because the customer service seemed so reliable. But then when it had
transmission problems they were making adjustments and this and that until
one day, they just said, oh you just need a rebuild so take it here,
'Transmissions R US'. We had never had a problem with the tranny until they
started working on the 'carbeurator' which didn't have problems until they
were forced to put back the original Y pipe exhaust to pass state inspection
. I finally limped the van to their
recommendated place. They wanted 1100 dollars to rebuild it. I said
'sorry' just set the keys in it, I'll pick it up later. So I got ahold of a
fella three hours away and he said worst case scenario he puts a different
tranny up under it after he thoroughly goes through mine and knows it's
toast. His price? 400 dollars. But here is what really got me and made me
very very angry. My transmission would have been fine, except that when all
this started, everybody in the big city wanted to rebuild it, before they
dropped the pan. They would test drive it and see that it wouldn't just
jump into second gear and try to adjust it or offer to rebuild it for big
bucks. My problem was that each time I was asking for a transmission
service to keep the fluid changed, they were using a machine to pump out the
old oil and pump in new. They weren't getting under the vehicle to change
the transmission screen. Had they been smart enough to drop the pan and not
worry about getting dirty, they would have seen that the filter has a
plastic tube attached to it that had somehow been broken off and wasn't
allowing the pump to suck fluid back through the transmission efficiently.

My point to all this is that some folks don't want to take the time to find
the problem. Let it get worse and then call us. Only when it got worse the
damage was beyond a simple repair. I learned a valuable lesson here. What
I think is being done isn't always the case. I don't know who came up with
this 'Transmission Tech' machine but I was always brought up to change the
fluid and the filter. I didn't realize that I wasn't getting that until I
asked the mechanic after an adjustment and a fluid change what the screen
looked like. Thats when he told me they had never changed the screen in it.
Yet the 79.99 price indicated to me that they had done significant labor to
get that transmission fluid changed.
radiator lines off and hook the machine's hoses to them and your
transmission pump does all the work.> Find a mechanic who for lack of a
better example is a Tim 'The Tool Man' Taylor. Who's soul desire in life is
to see something running perfectly. Who's gonna be so proud your engine
vehicle> runs well because he is the one insuring it stays top notch. Most
real mechanics who work on these things because they love them, make enough
to keep food on the table without charging an arm and a leg.
You have a ton of money invested in that truck, why let some guy ride in it
and say, "Oh thats normal, call me if something falls out of it"? Take it
to someone who knows the engine backwards and forwards. Don't be afraid to
ask around town, and don't be afraid to offend your dealer. If he knows how
much you value your truck he won't mind you getting a few second opinions to
keep it alive long enough to WANT to buy another FORD. I've seen lots of
folks disassociate themselves with a product simply because the people
behind it weren't as good as the product they were promoting.

Just my 26 cents worth,
C.K.

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 15:16:20 GMT
From: alannorthstar

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Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Post 10K Miles Performance Jump?

On Mon, 26 Apr 1999 13:40:20 -0500, you wrote:

:Has anyone heard of this before? That after your truck's odometer
:passes the 10,000 miles mark, there is an increase of horse power.
:Supposedly, before this milestone, the truck's engine is being gated
:by the onboard computer which is in a "break-in" mode.
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Well, we all know that, as an engine breaks-in, it tends to
improve in its performance and get better gas mileage.

My truck just started getting better mileage after a 2,000 mile
road trip at high speeds. It has a little over 9,000 miles on
it.

But, I've never heard of something controlled by the engine
computer. But, who knows??

Later,
Alan
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 08:42:08 PDT
From: "Scott Matus"
Subject: FTE 97up - Intermediate Pipe Problems

I own a Pre Dec. 7 '98 build PSD SuperDuty Crew Cab Long Wheel Base
Single Rear wheel.

I had purchased the pipe listed below for the 176 and the 172 inch
WB, they measure 68-1/2" and 68" respectively. Both of these pipes
will not fit the model I have. I ordered a F81A-5A212-KD extension
pipe to cut and weld to the necessary length. I need to have my pipe
measeure approximately 70-1/2 " to work on my model.

If anyone thinks that they can just purchase the pipes listed below
and install without a hitch, they should reconsider. Nathan supplied
these part numbers to put to bed this question, but there is more
involved than just a pipe swap. I hope this helps anyone considering
the pipe swap.

If anyone has successfully installed a replacement pipe on a truck
like mine please post your results, I appreciate it.

Scott Matus

Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 18:16:46 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Nathan Please Help- Intermediate Pipe
Question

I have the following part numbers

F-250/350 extension and Catalyst delete pipe
XC3Z 5A212 EA for 142" wb
XC3Z 5A212 BA for 156" wb
XC3Z 5A212 DA for 158" WB
XC3Z 5A212 CA for 172" wb
XC3Z 5A212 GA for 176" WB

hope this helps.

Nathan

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:05:03 PDT
From: "Scott Matus"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - New automatic transmission?

The important question I have is:
"Will the 6-Speed Manual be available on the Excursion with a
PowerStroke?"

Scott Matus

>From: "Union Auto"
>Reply-To: 97up-list

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>To: "Ford Truck list"
>Subject: FTE 97up - New automatic transmission?
>Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 07:37:05 -0500
>
>I was ordering Excurions for next year and noticed that when you
order the
>Power Stroke it won't accept the 44E automatic transmission. (this
has been
>the code for the 4R100 and before that the E4OD for many years.) It
instead
>requires a 449 Electronic four speed automatic. I wonder if they've
got a
>new transmission coming that will handle more power yet?
>
>Nathan Bernard
>Union Auto, Inc.
>
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 11:45:53 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - New automatic transmission?

The Excursion will be available only with automatic transmissions.

Nathan

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Matus
To:
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - New automatic transmission?

> The important question I have is:
> "Will the 6-Speed Manual be available on the Excursion with a
> PowerStroke?"
>
> Scott Matus
>
>
> >From: "Union Auto"
> >Reply-To: 97up-list

com/ search this site of
the many people that have installed the pipe with no problems. I am not
feeding you a line of bull, the pipe DOES work.
Sorry About Your Luck,
Jeff

I own a Pre Dec. 7 '98 build PSD SuperDuty Crew Cab Long Wheel Base
Single Rear wheel.

I had purchased the pipe listed below for the 176 and the 172 inch
WB, they measure 68-1/2" and 68" respectively. Both of these pipes
will not fit the model I have. I ordered a F81A-5A212-KD extension
pipe to cut and weld to the necessary length. I need to have my pipe
measeure approximately 70-1/2 " to work on my model.

If anyone thinks that they can just purchase the pipes listed below
and install without a hitch, they should reconsider. Nathan supplied
these part numbers to put to bed this question, but there is more
involved than just a pipe swap. I hope this helps anyone considering
the pipe swap.

If anyone has successfully installed a replacement pipe on a truck
like mine please post your results, I appreciate it.

Scott Matus

I have the following part numbers

F-250/350 extension and Catalyst delete pipe
XC3Z 5A212 EA for 142" wb
XC3Z 5A212 BA for 156" wb
XC3Z 5A212 DA for 158" WB
XC3Z 5A212 CA for 172" wb
XC3Z 5A212 GA for 176" WB

hope this helps.

Nathan

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 12:30:44 -0500
From: "David Moore"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - New automatic transmission?

Scott,

I know you, like me, drive a PSD with the manual - but can you imagine a
lady with nine kids in the back of her excursion barreling down the road and
trying to manage a stick on this huge vehicle? Not to say women only.. As I
recall my father had a hard time reaching back and beating on us while
keeping in the lane, even with an automatic.

Just my musings,

david
99 f250 psd AND manual

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Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 11:05 AM
To: 97up-list

ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - New automatic transmission?

The important question I have is:
"Will the 6-Speed Manual be available on the Excursion with a
PowerStroke?"

Scott Matus

>From: "Union Auto"
>Reply-To: 97up-list

ford-trucks.com
>To: "Ford Truck list"
>Subject: FTE 97up - New automatic transmission?
>Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 07:37:05 -0500
>
>I was ordering Excurions for next year and noticed that when you
order the
>Power Stroke it won't accept the 44E automatic transmission. (this
has been
>the code for the 4R100 and before that the E4OD for many years.) It
instead
>requires a 449 Electronic four speed automatic. I wonder if they've
got a
>new transmission coming that will handle more power yet?
>
>Nathan Bernard
>Union Auto, Inc.
>
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 15:21:52 EDT
From: SchmidP

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Subject: FTE 97up - RE: ADMIN: Pigeon Forge Show, Information

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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 22:45:56 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 97up - ADMIN: Pigeon Forge Show, Information

Supernationals in Pigeon Forge Tennessee
The show is from May 13-16. Last year there where over 800 trucks in the=20
show from 48s through 98s. This year they are limiting the newest trucks to=20
79s due to lack of space.
Ken Payne
Ford Truck Enthusiasts>>

Ken
Thanks for the information about the newest trucks being 1979.
Sorry but my truck is 18 years too young to get in.
I will be able to cancel my reservations for the week and give others=20
a chance for the room.
I was looking forward to meeting the guys and gals but it=92s a long=20
way from Ohio just for a day or so.
Best wishes for a fine turnout.
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 13:18:59 PDT
From: "Scott Matus"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - New automatic transmission?

The second part is funny. I'm happy to see that you survived you
early years.

I can always make a trans swap. I've done it before.

Scott.
Happy Powr-Sliding

>From: "David Moore"
>Reply-To: 97up-list

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>To:
>Subject: RE: FTE 97up - New automatic transmission?
>Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 12:30:44 -0500
>
>Scott,
>
>I know you, like me, drive a PSD with the manual - but can you
imagine a
>lady with nine kids in the back of her excursion barreling down the
road and
>trying to manage a stick on this huge vehicle? Not to say women
only.. As I
>recall my father had a hard time reaching back and beating on us
while
>keeping in the lane, even with an automatic.
>
>Just my musings,
>
>david
>99 f250 psd AND manual
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-97up-list

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>[mailto:owner-97up-list

ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Scott Matus
>Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 11:05 AM
>To: 97up-list

ford-trucks.com
>Subject: Re: FTE 97up - New automatic transmission?
>
>
>The important question I have is:
>"Will the 6-Speed Manual be available on the Excursion with a
>PowerStroke?"
>
>Scott Matus
>
>
>>From: "Union Auto"
>>Reply-To: 97up-list

ford-trucks.com
>>To: "Ford Truck list"
>>Subject: FTE 97up - New automatic transmission?
>>Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 07:37:05 -0500
>>
>>I was ordering Excurions for next year and noticed that when you
>order the
>>Power Stroke it won't accept the 44E automatic transmission. (this
>has been
>>the code for the 4R100 and before that the E4OD for many years.) It
>instead
>>requires a 449 Electronic four speed automatic. I wonder if they've
>got a
>>new transmission coming that will handle more power yet?
>>
>>Nathan Bernard
>>Union Auto, Inc.
>>
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 15:59:30 -0500
From: DanBrotzman
Subject: FTE 97up - 99 SD 6SPD PSD Gear noise - low RPM

I now have 920 miles on my 99 CC 4X4 PSD 6SPD LB XLT and have noticed =
that I get a resonat gear vibration when I do a rolling stop, shift into =
1st gear and accellerate at about 700 - 750 RPM. I have always kept my =
shifting RPM's down for the last 20 years to maxumize clutch life and =
have never replaced a clutch, even at 200,000 miles +. Is this type of =
low RPM gear noise normal with the new 6spd ? It does not resonate gear =
noise below 700 RPM such as easing the clutch out at idle RPM, but will =
show up as you accellerate up to, and through 700 - 750 RPM. Above 750 =
RPM the noise goes away. The noise is very noticable to everyone in the =
truck.
On another note fuel milage has been excellent. Lowest mpg to date was =
19.6 calculated by filling up into the filler neck, the highest has been =
23.8 with all freeway driving while changing speeds between 45 and 70 =
mph during break in. "Seat of the pants" power seamed to really change =
at around 800 miles.

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 17:00:17 -0400
From: "Suarez, William"
Subject: FTE 97up - First Towing Experience

Well folks I thought I would relay my impressions of my first towing
experience with my SD.

For the record, I have a 99.5 F250SD PSD Lariat SWB SC 3.73 rear end with
factory Towing Package.

I went to Maine on Sunday to bring my 36 foot travel trailer home as I'm
trading it in on a new Fifth Wheel which is what triggered the new truck
purchase in the first place.

After setting the hitch height and hooking up the load distribution hitch I
was impressed that the truck starting moving forward without even touching
the throttle. Mind you, this rig weighs in at about 8,500 lbs. and had been
sittin' for 5 years.

After getting out of the campground and onto a secondary road I was equally
pleased with the throttle response and how well the truck "behaved" with
that kind of weight behind it. After about 8 miles of secondary road I got
onto 95 in Saco and headed South for New Hampshire and then back home to
Massachusetts. Total trip was 128 miles and for those of you not familiar
with New England, Route 95 (and then 495) have some decent hills to
negotiate. Control, even in cross winds and "drafts" was excellent and I
never felt like I was holding up traffic going up the hills.

I was trully impressed with the PSD's (and the SD itself) ability to pull up
the hills and mileage was a very respectable 12+ MPG for the trip home.

All in all, a very pleasant "first tow". Anyone else out there who is
getting an SD for towing I think will be equally impressed.

Regards,

Bill Suarez

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 18:37:42 -0400
From: "Anthony C. Sherman"
Subject: FTE 97up - Synthetic Oils

I am a new member here and from what I've read over the past week, you
have discussed synthetic oils before. So with apologies, here's my question.

I tow an Airstream trailer with my 97 F150, 4.6L V8, SuperCab long bed,
limited slip dif, with Ford towing package. Truck now has 40,000 miles.
Am firm believer in synthetic oil products and use Red Line in the
engine oil, tranny oil and now looking at differential oil. Informed
reactions to this would be appreciated!

Here's the rub. Differential began to whine and fuss at 35,000 (never
had a dif. fuss before in any other vehicle)! Ford dealer repaired
under warranty with no problem. Then, less than 3000 miles later it
started to make noises again (no tow between repair and second fix).
Dealer repaired again under warranty. Now I'm really nervous. Am I
taxing the differential too much when all other indicators are OK?

Decided to switch to synthetic dif oil when I saw in Trailer Life that
Ford had raised the towing capacity on F-550 two tons by switching to
synthetic oil in dif and changing external tranny cooler from air to oil
to water to oil.

So I figured going to synthetic in dif could only raise the towing
safety margin in my configuration. In the midst of adding sync oil I
read the tag on dif cover which says "use only 75W140 synthetic oil."
How confident can I be that dealers are following specs when they
replace dif oil?

Finally, by using synthetic fluids have I raised the safe zone on tranny
temp and other margins? Other sources have indicated that tranny temp
can go to 275F before it starts to burn and trash your tranny. Is that accurate?

I appreciate your wisdom and experience!
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 17:46:20 -0600
From: Barry McCann
Subject: FTE 97up - "99 F350 PSD using oil every 3000 miles

My new '99 F350 PSD has about 8000 miles on it and is using about 1
quart of oil every 3000 miles. Is this standard for the diesel or
something I should look into? What is everybody else getting? Thanks.

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 20:16:53 EDT
From: JPatte5238

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Subject: Re: FTE 97up - "99 F350 PSD using oil every 3000 miles

Barry,
That's about the same oil consumption that my PSD has.

John
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 20:08:55 -0700
From: "Jeff Schapker"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - "99 F350 PSD using oil every 3000 miles

Same as mine too.

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 22:00:15 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Y2K

>
>By the way... the classified ads had an ad for the new Year 10000 Ford Super
>Duty Planetary Pickup, capable of hauling a small moon up to 300 parsecs
>without a single refueling stop. Activists were already protesting, based
>on the risk that the new Ford's ramjet hydrogen collection systems might
>pose to the fragile galactic ecology and had hastened to point out that the
>new Ford might easily destroy small artificial satellites, if they happened
>to get in its way. Meanwhile, sales were skyrocketing (literally)... as
>every housewife hurried to get a new Planetary Pickup to haul groceries from
>the nearest Planet Wal-Mart...
>
>Regards, Bud
>
>

LOL! ROFLOL! Concerning Ford's Y2k statement, you're correct,
it does not jump out at you. Matter of fact, you have to use
their search to find it and its still not an obvious search.

Ken

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 22:20:00 +700
From: bwat

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