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In this issue:

Re: FTE 97up - 5.4 L Piston Slap Problem
FTE 97up - Re: Ford Explorer Gas Mileage
FTE 97up - Re: VIN for '99 Superduty
Re: FTE 97up - Super Duty Gauges
FTE 97up - Critical Tests
Re: FTE 97up - Nathan NGS
Re: FTE 97up - Critical Tests
Re: FTE 97up - 5.4 L Piston Slap Problem
Re: FTE 97up - 5.4 L Piston Slap Problem
FTE 97up - Re:fte 97up: Ford Explorer Gas Milage
RE: FTE 97up - 5.4 L Piston Slap Problem
FTE 97up - Good dealership/mechanic in Fremont (S.F. Bay Area)
Re: FTE 97up - Good dealership/mechanic in Fremont (S.F. Bay Area)
Re: FTE 97up - Good dealership/mechanic in Fremont (S.F. Bay Area)
Re: FTE 97up - Good dealership/mechanic in Fremont (S.F. Bay Area)
FTE 97up - SD 250 V10 Arrived! First impressions.
Re: FTE 97up - Good dealership/mechanic in Fremont (S.F. Bay Area)
Re: FTE 97up - SD 250 V10 Arrived! First impressions.
FTE 97up - Piston slap.
FTE 97up - Re: Long wait
Re: FTE 97up - Good dealership/mechanic in Fremont (S.F. Bay Area)
FTE 97up - Nerf bars?
Re: FTE 97up - Nerf bars?
Re: FTE 97up - Nerf bars?
Re: FTE 97up - SD 250 V10 Arrived! First impressions.
Re: FTE 97up - Piston slap.
Re: FTE 97up - Piston slap.
Re: FTE 97up - Re: loaner/warranty
Re: FTE 97up - Ford Explorer Gas Mileage
Re: FTE 97up - Piston slap.
Re: FTE 97up - SD 250 V10 Arrived! First impressions.
FTE 97up - Re: 98 Ford Explorer - Front end squeal
Re: FTE 97up - Piston slap.
FTE 97up - 1999 F150 Tranny
FTE 97up - Surging 99 SD Diesel
Re: FTE 97up - Piston slap.
Re: FTE 97up - 1999 F150 Tranny

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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 06:37:39 4
From: "Vaughn (VDB)"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 5.4 L Piston Slap Problem

I have the 5.4 in my SD.
What does this "piston slap" sound like?
Is it like a valve tap?
I don't notice anything with my engine, but
would like to know the signs.
Thanks
Vaughn
99 SD SC SB XLT 4X4 5.4 Oxford White




a few comments to add regarding earlier posts with
questions about 5.4 L piston slap noise. This problem has been
reported on 1997 - 99 5.4 L engines, and somewhat fewer 1997 -
98 4.6 L engines. As someone previously mentioned, the f150
on-line web site has lots of information on this issue.
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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 07:20:54 -0500
From: Lee Haefele
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Ford Explorer Gas Mileage

> Now, I do get about 28 mpg when off-roading at 35mph and even got an
> average of 19-21 when towing my boat through West Texas to California
> through Arizona and New Mexico, though I was doing about 55mph average.
I'll bet that you are using a gas mileage computer while in low range
and that you would have to divide by the transfer case ratio to be
correct.
Lee Haefele
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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 06:23:00 -0700
From: Norm Brown
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: VIN for '99 Superduty

Thanks to all who responded with the vin information. As I suspected, the
vin did not describe the vehicle I ordered (a crew cab, not a supercab).
I e-mailed the note below to my dealer along with the vin identification
results about 7am. He replied at 10am and informed me that my truck was in
and ready for delivery. I picked it up at 1pm that same day. Go figure!
Can't complain about the cost (invoice + $50 processing fee) but still have
this gut feeling that if I had not followed up I would still not have my
truck.
Now begins the search for a 5th wheel and then off to see the grandkids.

Norm

Norm Brown wrote:

> Can anyone decode the following VIN for a '99 Superduty?
>
> 1FTNX20FXXEC81464
>
> My dealer tells me this is the VIN for my truck that was manufactured on
> November 16th and is sitting in Kansas City awaiting transportation to
> final destination. The ETA was 11/30/98. Initially, I was told that the
> truck was "in" and would be available for delivery on 12/26/98. While in
> transit to take possession, the dealer called on my cell phone and told
> me not to come - he made a "mistake" and my truck had not yet arrived -
> but assured me (and continues to do so) that it was "on its way". (It's
> a 65 mile trip and I was 15 miles away!) Still waiting for truck
> I just want to verify that the above VIN actually describes the type of
> truck I ordered as I am starting to get concerned that the dealer is not
> being totally up front with me and possibly ordered the wrong truck.
>
> Thanks......Norm

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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 07:38:46 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Super Duty Gauges

The output for it would be the connector for the NGS (usually under the dash
just to the right of the steering column). As for getting data out of it,
I'd try contacting Superchips, Ford, or any other company that deals with
the inner workings of the PCM.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.

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From: Casey Lang
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Thursday, January 14, 1999 10:18 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Super Duty Gauges


>
>Nathan,
>
>Do you have any suggestions for where I might find
>documentation on the Powertrain Control Module and
>how to electrically access it? I might be tempted
>to build a display tool if I could find enough
>technical info. This can't be any harder than the
>communications test equipment that I design for
>a living. However, the lack of any documentation
>on access to the PCM data might be a show-stopper.
>
>As the owner of a 99 Expedition and the future owner
>of a F150 Lariat SC Flareside (now on order), this
>would be a tempting project.
>
>Casey Lang
>
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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 07:19:39 -0700
From: "Matus, Scott A"
Subject: FTE 97up - Critical Tests

Amen, Brother. I have a background in the pharmaceutical industry,
specifically in the Quality Assurance arena. I design test plans on a daily
basis that prove the quality of the product we are testing. The work I do
has stringent guidelines dictated by the FDA. If I design a test with a
faulty or improperly designed test component and the results are acceptable.
I would loose my job. and worst people could be seriously harmed or killed.
Now I know that is more drastic than a gauge that has two positions -
ON/OFF. But the nature of the tests that I perform on a daily basis,
requires in the test plan to look for fluctuations in the process. That
simply cannot be done with an On/Off gauge.

Scott

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Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 14:46:49 -0500
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - "Americanized Gauges"

I guess the picture boils down to this for me: I am a scientist
(toxicologist) and when measuring anything in a scientific manner we use
instruments and equipment that are accurate, precise, calibrated to NIST
standards and dependable with redundant systems and error warning features.
I expect that after 100 years of automotive science and technology, the
automotive industry could design, implement and offer (even if as an option)
a gauges that are accurate, precise, calibrated to NIST standards and
dependable with redundant systems and error warning features. It goes back
to the old saying, "if you are going to do something, do it right".

Keith

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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 09:29:58 -0500
From: Chris Akers
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Nathan NGS

"Gregory E. Schafer" wrote:
> Napa Auto Parts can order Base NGS kits from Hickok. The kit comes
> with the required OBDII cable but not the software card. The kit costs
> approx. $1920. The softward card they carry is for '84-'95 vehicles. It
> costs an additional $488. This stuff isn't cheap. Contact the closest
> Napa store for details (check Yellow Pages).

A good alternative is the "Auto Xray" handheld scanner. I used one of
these for a '95 Z that I had. Cost is around $190.00... pretty much
the cheapest scanner you will find. Their OBD-II compliant scanner (they
claim it works on '83-'97 Fords) is a bit more... I know the kit that
includes the scanner, GM, Chrysler and Ford cables is $425 but it comes
with a video, case, etc. I haven't used the Ford version, but the GM
one could pull out everything the computer could measure... O2 readings,
desired/actual idle, spark retard, AC on, gear selected, MAF readings,
etc. About the cheapest place I've found is Eastwood believe it or not.
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.eastwoodco.com

I suspect the OBD-II scanner will work on the '98s and maybe the '99s as well,
but it'd be good to call the manufacturer and find out before ordering!

Hope this helps,
jC. '67 Camaro (quick), '95 Z28(bought wrecked), '98 F150(stomper)
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P.O. Box 14285 fax:919-462-1933
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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 08:31:19 -0600 (CST)
From: "Douglas R. Floyd"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Critical Tests

>
> Amen, Brother. I have a background in the pharmaceutical industry,
> specifically in the Quality Assurance arena. I design test plans on a daily
> basis that prove the quality of the product we are testing. The work I do
> has stringent guidelines dictated by the FDA. If I design a test with a
> faulty or improperly designed test component and the results are acceptable.
> I would loose my job. and worst people could be seriously harmed or killed.
> Now I know that is more drastic than a gauge that has two positions -
> ON/OFF. But the nature of the tests that I perform on a daily basis,
> requires in the test plan to look for fluctuations in the process. That
> simply cannot be done with an On/Off gauge.
>
> Scott

On one respect, Ford gets about 1 to 2% of its customers disliking the
idiot gauges. OTOH, I bet they would be assailed with complaints from
a greater percentage of the populace when the oil pressure gauge changes.

I do think it is a good decision that Ford made, but I do wish for a
"you want exact info, you got exact info" gauge package. Especially a
gas gauge that showed how many gallons were left. (Transfer-flow has
some good equipment for this.)
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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 06:36:31 -0800
From: Kent Tombs
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 5.4 L Piston Slap Problem

"Vaughn (VDB)" wrote:
>
> I have the 5.4 in my SD.
> What does this "piston slap" sound like?
> Is it like a valve tap?
> I don't notice anything with my engine, but
> would like to know the signs.
> Thanks
> Vaughn
> 99 SD SC SB XLT 4X4 5.4 Oxford White
>
> a few comments to add regarding earlier posts with
> questions about 5.4 L piston slap noise. This problem has been
> reported on 1997 - 99 5.4 L engines, and somewhat fewer 1997 -
> 98 4.6 L engines. As someone previously mentioned, the f150
> on-line web site has lots of information on this issue.
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The piston slap noise in MY 99 F-250 SD SC SB 5.4 XLT 4X4, sounds like a
mild connecting rod knock, or similar to the sound of an old VW bug,
just an annoying sound that follows through with engine rpm while
accelerating, more pronounced when cold but only for about 30 secs.
You should go to the F150 Online website and read the other situations,
I think you will be shocked.

Kent (Thought I was buying something worthwhile.)
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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 10:52:37 EST
From: KWkM3 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 5.4 L Piston Slap Problem


mild connecting rod knock, or similar to the sound of an old VW bug,
just an annoying sound that follows through with engine rpm while
accelerating, more pronounced when cold but only for about 30 secs.
You should go to the F150 Online website and read the other situations,
I think you will be shocked. >>

Same sound and time frame as my expy w/5.4. Do you have they URL for that
website?


Harry
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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 11:17:50 -0500
From: "Mike McNany"
Subject: FTE 97up - Re:fte 97up: Ford Explorer Gas Milage

On Wed, 13 Jan 1999, millered pb.com wrote:
snip
to only get 15-16 MPG for mostly highway driving. The best I've ever
gotten was 17MPG.>


1. If you have a bug deflector/hood protector it'll cost you some mph.
After I broke mine and replaced it with a hood edge type bra, I gained
1.5mpg on my blockier 92 Sport at 75mph in the flatlands interstate. You
want protection? It'll cost ya.
2. As Keith recommended, Mobil1 will help, up to .5mpg, again at an
increased $ cost.
3. If you compare the difference in gas cost per mile between the octane
levels you might come to the conclusion I have for my various vehicles. As
long as it runs good, why pay so much extra?
4. You also had pinging under heavy acceleration. Was that fully loaded? on
steep grades? Towing? My manual 4.0 non tow pkg. pings like crazy when
pulling my 3000# boat & trailer out at the launch ramp. I use premium when
I'm towing and regular at other times. The only other times I've had
terrible pinging was after filling up in Wilkes-Barre PA and going up that
nasty hill from I-81 to I-84(on 3 occasions). The noise was real bad to the
point I drove 55mph to lessen it. That's with 2 people and
and after 4 hours of hard driving. I think it was location/gas formulation.
5. If you did what I did initially in subscribing to the lists, you missed
seeing and signing up for the small trucks discussion group. That covers
all years explorers and rangers and such.


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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 09:10:36 -0700
From: Jay Murphy
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - 5.4 L Piston Slap Problem

On cold startup, your engine sounds like the knock a diesel engine makes
(which I understand is also piston slap). Mine mostly lasts for 10 seconds
to a couple of minutes, depending on how cold it is and the moisture in the
air (the more dampness in the air, the longer it lasts). For my experience,
there is no mistaking it once you hear it. It doesn't sound like valve
tapping.

I was told last week by the Southwest Ford Rep that Ford has a fix, and will
be replacing pistons in the defective engines starting in February 1999.
Whether that will happen remains to be seen. I'm on my second engine already
(the first was replaced due to piston slap at 8,000 miles). I now have
14,000 miles on the second one and the slap showed up again at about 11,000
miles.

I haven't decided what to do as far as asking for a replacement. I guess
I'll wait and see what happens in February.

Jay Murphy


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From: Vaughn (VDB) [mailto:wolf enter.net]
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 1999 11:34 PM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 5.4 L Piston Slap Problem



I have the 5.4 in my SD.
What does this "piston slap" sound like?
Is it like a valve tap?
I don't notice anything with my engine, but
would like to know the signs.
Thanks
Vaughn
99 SD SC SB XLT 4X4 5.4 Oxford White




a few comments to add regarding earlier posts with
questions about 5.4 L piston slap noise. This problem has been
reported on 1997 - 99 5.4 L engines, and somewhat fewer 1997 -
98 4.6 L engines. As someone previously mentioned, the f150
on-line web site has lots of information on this issue.
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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 11:54:56 -0800
From: "Andrew Chung"
Subject: FTE 97up - Good dealership/mechanic in Fremont (S.F. Bay Area)

I've been trying to find a decent dealership/mechanic in the Fremont area
(S.F. Bay Area) for work on my truck. I'm not sure how many people on this
list are in this area, but any recommendations would be great. I've already
tried two dealerships in the area, one was barely ok, the other couldn't
even put on wiper blades without having them come off a month later. That
dealership didn't even rotate the tires correctly for a 4x4. I think I
would prefer a good mechanic recommendation since I want to have them do
some mod work on my car. I know, finding a good/honest mechanic is hard,
that's why I'm asking for some personal experience. Thanks!

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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 12:19:54 -0800
From: Peter Schmidt
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Good dealership/mechanic in Fremont (S.F. Bay Area)

At 11:54 AM 1/15/99 -0800, you wrote:
>I've been trying to find a decent dealership/mechanic in the Fremont area
>(S.F. Bay Area) for work on my truck. I'm not sure how many people on this
>list are in this area, but any recommendations would be great. I've already
>tried two dealerships in the area, one was barely ok, the other couldn't
>even put on wiper blades without having them come off a month later.

I'm curious as to who you have tried

I also live in Fremont, but am still awaiting delivery of my 250 psd xlt.
This will be my first Ford so unfortunately I cannot provide you with any
first hand experiences.

peter
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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 12:50:04 -0800
From: George Passidakis
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Good dealership/mechanic in Fremont (S.F. Bay Area)

I too, live in Fremont CA and am awaiting my F-350 PSD 4x4. I heard that Mission Ford in San Jose (880 and Brokaw) may be the best in the area for servicing trucks. No real experience though.

Unfortunately, Fremont Ford seems clueless. At lease on the sales end. Have not dealt with their service dept but have LOW expectations.

Let us know what you find.

George

At 01/15/1999 12:19 PM, you wrote:
>At 11:54 AM 1/15/99 -0800, you wrote:
>>I've been trying to find a decent dealership/mechanic in the Fremont area
>>(S.F. Bay Area) for work on my truck. I'm not sure how many people on this
>>list are in this area, but any recommendations would be great. I've already
>>tried two dealerships in the area, one was barely ok, the other couldn't
>>even put on wiper blades without having them come off a month later.
>
>I'm curious as to who you have tried
>
>I also live in Fremont, but am still awaiting delivery of my 250 psd xlt.
>This will be my first Ford so unfortunately I cannot provide you with any
>first hand experiences.
>
>peter
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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 13:04:38 -0800
From: johny
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Good dealership/mechanic in Fremont (S.F. Bay Area)

I don't know about Fremont ford, but the one time in 89, their sales guys were
so bad, I never went back.

Mission is well known for their Diesel mechanics, but has some difficulty
sevicing the rest of the vehicle.

Capitol ford is reported to have good Diesel mechnaics.

Swanson is where I bought my 99 F350 psd. So far, for oil changes,
and simple fixes, the've been good. Haven't had to ask any hard
questions about the PSD, but the Service writers seem reasonably
knowlegable of the engine.

I usually do my own work. For the stuff I can't,
I usually ask the folks at the local part places for advice. Valve machining
work, ac recharges, welding, stuff like that. They are usually in the know.

Ask them where the have their vehicle serviced.

Peter Schmidt wrote:

> At 11:54 AM 1/15/99 -0800, you wrote:
> >I've been trying to find a decent dealership/mechanic in the Fremont area
> >(S.F. Bay Area) for work on my truck. I'm not sure how many people on this
> >list are in this area, but any recommendations would be great. I've already
> >tried two dealerships in the area, one was barely ok, the other couldn't
> >even put on wiper blades without having them come off a month later.
>
> I'm curious as to who you have tried
>
> I also live in Fremont, but am still awaiting delivery of my 250 psd xlt.
> This will be my first Ford so unfortunately I cannot provide you with any
> first hand experiences.
>
> peter
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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 16:28:25 -0500
From: Dick Dorff
Subject: FTE 97up - SD 250 V10 Arrived! First impressions.

Hi all,

Our SD F250 CC SB XLT 4x4 V10 Auto TTP Hitch (& Chrome Step Bumper,
Privacy Glass, Deep Wedgewood Blue over Silver, Denim Int.) arrived at
the dealer last Friday, Jan 8, 1999. Order was placed Oct. 27 and order
was pulled Nov. 24, 1998, so that makes 10.5 weeks. Dealer said Lariats
are still taking longer. Test drove it on Saturday, and paid for and
took delivery on Monday. It's been parked there since until I can get
the factory mud flaps installed (now "List"ing for $20/pr at the
dealer), and perhaps do some undercoating. It's snowed or rained every
day here in Mass since we've got it so I want to do any rust prevention
stuff before it gets caked with salt and sand. Oh the pain; it looks
so nice, and drives great, and wants to be driven.

In case anyone's interested...

Test drove it last Saturday and it seemed great; no vibrations at any
speed (yet), accelerates and cruises down the highway like a dream, even
at 80mph or so. The ride is slightly smoother than I remember from test
drives. I suspect that might be the difference of the extra weight of
the Crew Cab, hitch, and perhaps the front stablizer bar, while the test
drives were of SuperCabs. Could entirely be imagination, or just being
slightly more used to it by now though.

Fortunately there some snow the night before the acceptance test drive.
So I found an unplowed parking lot with 4-5" of snow still, and the
limited slip 3.73 seems to have a marked affect in rear wheel-only
traction. 4 wheel drive, well, what's there to say, even with the
default General Grabber All Seasons (235/85) traction is great. I'm
hoping they'll get us through the first Winter, and I'll then look for
some Winter tires and rims, and keep the originals as 3-seasons.
Braking seemed fine in the snow, using non-ABS braking methods, since it
has the rear ABS only. Probably would prefer the 4WABS; maybe next
time.

Best of all, though not a complete surprise, it fits in the garage! If
driveway approach was level, there'd be about 1-2" of height clearance
in our 9x7'doors. Since driveway slopes up to the garage quite a bit,
the entire crew cab roof is in the door before the back wheels get even
close to garage level. Leaves about 6" of clearance at the closest.
Yessssss! There's about 2' total clearance in length. Can just walk
around both sides if the difference is split. Folded both TT mirrors in
so width isn't a problem. Should be able to get away with just folding
one in. With both out, truck width about exactly matches door opening
width. That's actually one major reason I opted for the TT mirrors:
the truck is skinnier with one TT mirror folded in than with both std.
mirrors out. The TT mirrors fold in with surprisingly little effort,
the bigges hassle is just lowering the window. A retracting/telescoping
kit would be ideal.

It looks awesome; though I'd have preferred the more distinguished
truck look provided by the all Lt. Prarie Tan, the wife's choice of Dp
W. Blue over Silver gives it a longer, less tall appearance. Has a bit
of a 'b*rb*an look, though on steroids, more tastefully done, and a bed
instead of the cover. The colors still look sharp though.

More to come, though also not necessarily fascinating. Thanks for all
the help everyone.

Dick Dorff
99 F250 SD CC SB XLT V10 4x4 3.73ls TT Hitch Privacy.
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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 16:21:44 -0500
From: "Anne Mitchell"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Good dealership/mechanic in Fremont (S.F. Bay Area)

>
>Unfortunately, Fremont Ford seems clueless. At lease on the sales end.
Have not dealt with their service dept but have LOW expectations.


You know, that's funny, generally speaking, I haven't met a car or truck
salesperson who knows diddly about what they are selling. When asked if you
can get a 3.55 or a 3.73 rearend they typically go "huh?". The only
exception was the fleet sales person I was sent to, to order my 98 F150. He
knew the options list as well as I did and I lived with it for days in
excited expectation of ordering a new truck. In the past when I went in to
a dealership to buy a truck off the lot they had no idea what was in it or
what options I could get if I ordered one instead of buying one off the lot.
I generally know enough about what I want to know if it is available and
even how much it costs. So I like to pick dealerships for their service
department rather than their salespeople. I would not necessarily eliminate
a dealer who can't tell you why to buy their Ford(you want one anyway). Ask
around work, call the better business bureau for complaints and just like
you did ask people for their opinions on the Internet.

Stephen

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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 16:55:20 4
From: "Vaughn (VDB)"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - SD 250 V10 Arrived! First impressions.

Congrats on the new truck!! Sounds nice.
Mine fits in my garage pretty good without
folding mirrors in. I took one off the dealers
lot and drove it home and checked if it fit,
before I ordered mine.
I'd like to go with bigger tires and MAYBE a 2" lift
in the front, but I may be pushing it as far as height
clearence goes....Something I have to break out the
yardstick for.LOL!

Enjoy the truck....
Vaughn




Hi all,

Our SD F250 CC SB XLT 4x4 V10 Auto TTP Hitch (& Chrome Step
Bumper, Privacy Glass, Deep Wedgewood Blue over Silver, Denim
Int.) arrived at the dealer last Friday, Jan 8, 1999. Order was
placed Oct. 27 and order was pulled Nov. 24, 1998, so that makes
10.5 weeks. Dealer said Lariats are still taking longer. Test
drove it on Saturday, and paid for and took delivery on Monday.
It's been parked there since until I can get the factory mud
flaps installed (now "List"ing for $20/pr at the dealer), and
perhaps do some undercoating. It's snowed or rained every day
here in Mass since we've got it so I want to do any rust
prevention stuff before it gets caked with salt and sand. Oh
the pain; it looks so nice, and drives great, and wants to be
driven.

In case anyone's interested...

Test drove it last Saturday and it seemed great; no vibrations
at any speed (yet), accelerates and cruises down the highway
like a dream, even at 80mph or so. The ride is slightly
smoother than I remember from test drives. I suspect that might
be the difference of the extra weight of the Crew Cab, hitch,
and perhaps the front stablizer bar, while the test drives were
of SuperCabs. Could entirely be imagination, or just being
slightly more used to it by now though.

Fortunately there some snow the night before the acceptance test
drive. So I found an unplowed parking lot with 4-5" of snow
still, and the limited slip 3.73 seems to have a marked affect
in rear wheel-only traction. 4 wheel drive, well, what's there
to say, even with the default General Grabber All Seasons
(235/85) traction is great. I'm hoping they'll get us through
the first Winter, and I'll then look for some Winter tires and
rims, and keep the originals as 3-seasons. Braking seemed fine
in the snow, using non-ABS braking methods, since it has the
rear ABS only. Probably would prefer the 4WABS; maybe next
time.

Best of all, though not a complete surprise, it fits in the
garage! If driveway approach was level, there'd be about 1-2"
of height clearance in our 9x7'doors. Since driveway slopes up
to the garage quite a bit, the entire crew cab roof is in the
door before the back wheels get even close to garage level.
Leaves about 6" of clearance at the closest. Yessssss! There's
about 2' total clearance in length. Can just walk around both
sides if the difference is split. Folded both TT mirrors in so
width isn't a problem. Should be able to get away with just
folding one in. With both out, truck width about exactly
matches door opening width. That's actually one major reason I
opted for the TT mirrors: the truck is skinnier with one TT
mirror folded in than with both std. mirrors out. The TT
mirrors fold in with surprisingly little effort, the bigges
hassle is just lowering the window. A retracting/telescoping
kit would be ideal.

It looks awesome; though I'd have preferred the more
distinguished truck look provided by the all Lt. Prarie Tan, the
wife's choice of Dp W. Blue over Silver gives it a longer, less
tall appearance. Has a bit of a 'b*rb*an look, though on
steroids, more tastefully done, and a bed instead of the cover.
The colors still look sharp though.

More to come, though also not necessarily fascinating. Thanks
for all the help everyone.

Dick Dorff
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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 17:07:56 4
From: "Vaughn (VDB)"
Subject: FTE 97up - Piston slap.

When somebody, sorry I forgot who, mentioned
that the dreaded piston slap sounded somewhat like a
diesel, an alarm went off in my head because mine
sounds, although real subtle, like that.
At least to me its not real audible but it does
have a diesel sound. Matter of fact its sounded that
way since new (4000 miles now) my brother even mentioned
that "man it sounds almost like a diesel".
But to me its barely there. Now what should I do?
Just leave it until it seems to get worse, if it does?
Or take it into the dealer and see what they say?
I would think by now most dealers would be aware of
this problem and (hopefully) react accordingly.
I'm going to let my brother (jet pilot, ex mechanic) listen
to it again and see what he thinks....


Thanks
Vaughn
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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 16:16:19 -0500
From: Gary & Nancy Brinck
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Long wait

Charles has been waiting for his truck...
> Beat this if you can,
>
> Sept. 30, 1998, order F250 SD SC SB 4x4 V10 LS3.73 Lariat

Charles: are you sure you ordered from a FORD dealer? Heck,
I've already seen a SD on the USED CAR lot here (gone in a day,
though!). Your dealer must have an allocation of 1/year!
- --
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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 14:26:19 -0800
From: George Passidakis
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Good dealership/mechanic in Fremont (S.F. Bay Area)

I agree. I ordered my truck from Shamrock Ford in Dublin, CA. The fleet manager, Tim Sandoli, was knowledgeable and even had some helpful ideas. Like needing to order a spare tire. (I missed that one). Once he realized I knew what I wanted, he was real easy to work with. I'm just not sure they have the highest truck allocations in the area.

I will probably try Fremont Ford's service dept once. If they are drastically better then their sales dept I might use them.

George

At 01/15/1999 04:21 PM, you wrote:
>
>>
>>Unfortunately, Fremont Ford seems clueless. At lease on the sales end.
>Have not dealt with their service dept but have LOW expectations.
>
>
>You know, that's funny, generally speaking, I haven't met a car or truck
>salesperson who knows diddly about what they are selling. When asked if you
>can get a 3.55 or a 3.73 rearend they typically go "huh?". The only
>exception was the fleet sales person I was sent to, to order my 98 F150. He
>knew the options list as well as I did and I lived with it for days in
>excited expectation of ordering a new truck. In the past when I went in to
>a dealership to buy a truck off the lot they had no idea what was in it or
>what options I could get if I ordered one instead of buying one off the lot.
>I generally know enough about what I want to know if it is available and
>even how much it costs. So I like to pick dealerships for their service
>department rather than their salespeople. I would not necessarily eliminate
>a dealer who can't tell you why to buy their Ford(you want one anyway). Ask
>around work, call the better business bureau for complaints and just like
>you did ask people for their opinions on the Internet.
>
>Stephen
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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 18:13:28 4
From: "Vaughn (VDB)"
Subject: FTE 97up - Nerf bars?

Hi all,
This may be a long shot, but has anybody put
Smittybilt Sure Step nerf bars on their 99 SuperDuty?
I'm putting mine on tomorrow, but the directions
absolutely suck! From what I can gather you only
need to drill one hole per bracket?

Thanks
Vaughn
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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 18:41:28 -0500
From: "Todd E."
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Nerf bars?

I put the smittybilt sure steps on. And yes the directions do suck. You
can put everything on without drilling, with exception of the rear "retainer
clips" or whatever they were called. I decided to skip putting them on,
rather than drill holes. It hasn't been a problem to date, although I weigh
about 175 lbs so if you or your passengers weigh a lot more, you might want
to add it on.


>
>Hi all,
>This may be a long shot, but has anybody put
>Smittybilt Sure Step nerf bars on their 99 SuperDuty?
>I'm putting mine on tomorrow, but the directions
>absolutely suck! From what I can gather you only
>need to drill one hole per bracket?
>
>Thanks


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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 20:46:56 4
From: "Vaughn (VDB)"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Nerf bars?

Hi,

Thanks for the response.
I weigh 206 lbs so I may get away with
doing it like you did. But if its not that big
a deal I'll but the backup mount on.

Thanks
Vaughn
99 F250 SD SC SB XLT 4X4 5.4 Oxford White



I put the smittybilt sure steps on. And yes the directions do
suck. You can put everything on without drilling, with
exception of the rear "retainer clips" or whatever they were
called. I decided to skip putting them on, rather than drill
holes. It hasn't been a problem to date, although I weigh about
175 lbs so if you or your passengers weigh a lot more, you might
want to add it on.


>
>Hi all,
>This may be a long shot, but has anybody put
>Smittybilt Sure Step nerf bars on their 99 SuperDuty?
>I'm putting mine on tomorrow, but the directions
>absolutely suck! From what I can gather you only
>need to drill one hole per bracket?
>
>Thanks


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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 21:16:49 -0500
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - SD 250 V10 Arrived! First impressions.

Sounds a lot like my truck (F-350 SuperDuty / XLT / 4X4 / V-10 / SuperCab /
Longbed / Snowplow package / trailer-tow package / 3.73 LS / all the
goodies. I love the V-10, every 100 miles it seems to get sronger and
stronger as it breaks in and I allow myself to rev it higher. Like you, I
am in Massachusetts (Sudbury) and we got a lot of snow yesturday so this
morning I went out and used the 8' Fisher Plow I had installed at Tucks
Trucks (a Chevy Place!! but they do all the dealer plows in the area, even
Dodges). Everything about the truck so far is perfect, however,

1. I am planning to install the 3 inch lift kit from Tuff Country
(www.tuffcountry.com) in the Front (new springs w/positive arch, new "U"
bolts, etc.) to even it up a bit, and

2. I am going to have the dealer check out what I think is a tad excessive
whine from the front differential when I am in 4-wheel drive (high or low)
and I go into "coast" or "float" mode (taking your foot off the gas). That
is the only issue I have with the truck as of today. Does anyone with a
similar set-up notice this kind of a whine??

Also, I will eventually want to install a K&N kit (when developed for the
V-10), a Borla Cat-back exhaust (I installed one on my '98 Expedition XLT /
4X4 / 5.4L / 3.73LS / etc.) because it is a vast improvement over stock.


Keith

PS, where in Mass are you?


>
>Hi all,
>
>Our SD F250 CC SB XLT 4x4 V10 Auto TTP Hitch (& Chrome Step
>Bumper, Privacy Glass, Deep Wedgewood Blue over Silver, Denim
>Int.) arrived at the dealer last Friday, Jan 8, 1999. Order was
>placed Oct. 27 and order was pulled Nov. 24, 1998, so that makes
>10.5 weeks. Dealer said Lariats are still taking longer. Test
>drove it on Saturday, and paid for and took delivery on Monday.
>It's been parked there since until I can get the factory mud
>flaps installed (now "List"ing for $20/pr at the dealer), and
>perhaps do some undercoating. It's snowed or rained every day
>here in Mass since we've got it so I want to do any rust
>prevention stuff before it gets caked with salt and sand. Oh
>the pain; it looks so nice, and drives great, and wants to be
>driven.
>
>In case anyone's interested...
>
>Test drove it last Saturday and it seemed great; no vibrations
>at any speed (yet), accelerates and cruises down the highway
>like a dream, even at 80mph or so. The ride is slightly
>smoother than I remember from test drives. I suspect that might
>be the difference of the extra weight of the Crew Cab, hitch,
>and perhaps the front stablizer bar, while the test drives were
>of SuperCabs. Could entirely be imagination, or just being
>slightly more used to it by now though.
>
>Fortunately there some snow the night before the acceptance test
>drive. So I found an unplowed parking lot with 4-5" of snow
>still, and the limited slip 3.73 seems to have a marked affect
>in rear wheel-only traction. 4 wheel drive, well, what's there
>to say, even with the default General Grabber All Seasons
>(235/85) traction is great. I'm hoping they'll get us through
>the first Winter, and I'll then look for some Winter tires and
>rims, and keep the originals as 3-seasons. Braking seemed fine
>in the snow, using non-ABS braking methods, since it has the
>rear ABS only. Probably would prefer the 4WABS; maybe next
>time.
>
>Best of all, though not a complete surprise, it fits in the
>garage! If driveway approach was level, there'd be about 1-2"
>of height clearance in our 9x7'doors. Since driveway slopes up
>to the garage quite a bit, the entire crew cab roof is in the
>door before the back wheels get even close to garage level.
>Leaves about 6" of clearance at the closest. Yessssss! There's
>about 2' total clearance in length. Can just walk around both
>sides if the difference is split. Folded both TT mirrors in so
>width isn't a problem. Should be able to get away with just
>folding one in. With both out, truck width about exactly
>matches door opening width. That's actually one major reason I
>opted for the TT mirrors: the truck is skinnier with one TT
>mirror folded in than with both std. mirrors out. The TT
>mirrors fold in with surprisingly little effort, the bigges
>hassle is just lowering the window. A retracting/telescoping
>kit would be ideal.
>
>It looks awesome; though I'd have preferred the more
>distinguished truck look provided by the all Lt. Prarie Tan, the
>wife's choice of Dp W. Blue over Silver gives it a longer, less
>tall appearance. Has a bit of a 'b*rb*an look, though on
>steroids, more tastefully done, and a bed instead of the cover.
>The colors still look sharp though.
>
>More to come, though also not necessarily fascinating. Thanks
>for all the help everyone.
>
>Dick Dorff
>99 F250 SD CC SB XLT V10 4x4 3.73ls TT Hitch Privacy.
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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 22:14:12 -0500
From: Mark Lee
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Piston slap.

Mine sounded like the pistons were not getting enough lubrication on
cold start up for the first 15-30 seconds. It could be quite loud, not
unlike lifter noise. I don't know if this is similar to your "diesel
sound". Once the engine warms up the sound goes away. I was able to
eliminate the sound on start up by switching to Mobil 1. It
substantially reduced the sound immediately and over time it went away
completely even at very cold temperatures.

If your engine doesn't sound right take it to your Ford dealer and have
them listen to your engine on cold start up. I left my truck at the
dealer over night when I first discovered the problem. In the morning
my service rep and head mechanic and I went out to the truck together to
listen to the noise. In my case it was not necessary, but if your
dealer is not convinced you have a problem, compare it to another truck
on the lot with a new/similar engine. If there is obviously a problem,
have them write up a work order and have them call Ford for a fix. Even
if there is currently no fix available, have them keep the work order
open. At least if they are aware of the problem and you keep bugging
them every so often, you can expect to receive either a fix or a new
engine at some later point when Ford addresses the problem finally. In
my case, even though my warrantee miles are up, the open work order is
enough to keep a free fix available to me. I do call every couple-three
weeks to keep them on their toes. So far no fix is available.

Best of luck!

Vaughn (VDB) wrote:
>
> When somebody, sorry I forgot who, mentioned
> that the dreaded piston slap sounded somewhat like a
> diesel, an alarm went off in my head because mine
> sounds, although real subtle, like that.
> At least to me its not real audible but it does
> have a diesel sound. Matter of fact its sounded that
> way since new (4000 miles now) my brother even mentioned
> that "man it sounds almost like a diesel".
> But to me its barely there. Now what should I do?
> Just leave it until it seems to get worse, if it does?
> Or take it into the dealer and see what they say?
> I would think by now most dealers would be aware of
> this problem and (hopefully) react accordingly.
> I'm going to let my brother (jet pilot, ex mechanic) listen
> to it again and see what he thinks....
>
> Thanks
> Vaughn
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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 20:06:56 -0800
From: Kent Tombs
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Piston slap.

Mark Lee wrote:
>
> Mine sounded like the pistons were not getting enough lubrication on
> cold start up for the first 15-30 seconds. It could be quite loud, not
> unlike lifter noise. I don't know if this is similar to your "diesel
> sound". Once the engine warms up the sound goes away. I was able to
> eliminate the sound on start up by switching to Mobil 1. It
> substantially reduced the sound immediately and over time it went away
> completely even at very cold temperatures.
>
> If your engine doesn't sound right take it to your Ford dealer and have
> them listen to your engine on cold start up. I left my truck at the
> dealer over night when I first discovered the problem. In the morning
> my service rep and head mechanic and I went out to the truck together to
> listen to the noise. In my case it was not necessary, but if your
> dealer is not convinced you have a problem, compare it to another truck
> on the lot with a new/similar engine. If there is obviously a problem,
> have them write up a work order and have them call Ford for a fix. Even
> if there is currently no fix available, have them keep the work order
> open. At least if they are aware of the problem and you keep bugging
> them every so often, you can expect to receive either a fix or a new
> engine at some later point when Ford addresses the problem finally. In
> my case, even though my warrantee miles are up, the open work order is
> enough to keep a free fix available to me. I do call every couple-three
> weeks to keep them on their toes. So far no fix is available.
>
> Best of luck!
>
> Vaughn (VDB) wrote:
> >
> > When somebody, sorry I forgot who, mentioned
> > that the dreaded piston slap sounded somewhat like a
> > diesel, an alarm went off in my head because mine
> > sounds, although real subtle, like that.
> > At least to me its not real audible but it does
> > have a diesel sound. Matter of fact its sounded that
> > way since new (4000 miles now) my brother even mentioned
> > that "man it sounds almost like a diesel".
> > But to me its barely there. Now what should I do?
> > Just leave it until it seems to get worse, if it does?
> > Or take it into the dealer and see what they say?
> > I would think by now most dealers would be aware of
> > this problem and (hopefully) react accordingly.
> > I'm going to let my brother (jet pilot, ex mechanic) listen
> > to it again and see what he thinks....
> >
> > Thanks
> > Vaughn
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This sound is really getting annoying for me. Since new I have changed
the oil & filter every 2500km, I consider this well maintained. And the
funny part is it has lots of power, same characteristics every day but
it in no way sounds like a V-8 that should be inside a" SUPERDUTY". It
sounds like a Subaru or VW Bug. Mobil 1 and Motorcraft filter went in
today, sounds the same. Can anyone else feel this noise through the gas
pedal like I can. Is every body else happy with the sound of their "5.4
V-8" Superduty. What comparisons do you have to 5.0 or 5.7. My 5.0
Mustang with 175,000km original miles doesn`t have piston slap. I now
have 12,500km on this truck that " IMAGINE THIS" cost $34,000 + Tax,
Could have built one hell of a nice truck myself for that amount of
money
Any comments or description of Superduty with 5.4 always appreciated

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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 20:14:50 PST
From: "Frank Spor"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: loaner/warranty

Nathan, I wish you were in The Albany NY Area....Have you ever thought
of Buying a couple more dealerships....
I am one of those that do most of my own work, and I have always
remembered to bring cookies to the Parts department at Christmas...

Its amazing how many different prices things can have.

Frank



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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 20:24:01 PST
From: "Frank Spor"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Ford Explorer Gas Mileage

He is right, I visited the UK last April...Rented a little car we called
the Beast...Paid $29.70 for six gallons of petrol...after conversion. An
American style "driving vacation" is a lot more expensive in the "mother
country", but worth it.

Motels are tough to find too....But they are building more every day.

Frank

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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 23:26:01 -0500
From: Mark Lee
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Piston slap.

Is this noise only for a few seconds on start up or is it continuous?
The piston slap problem/noise goes away when the engine heats up and the
pistons expand. It sounds strange to me when you say you "hear it
through the gas pedal".

Kent Tombs wrote:
>
> Mark Lee wrote:
> >
> > Mine sounded like the pistons were not getting enough lubrication on
> > cold start up for the first 15-30 seconds. It could be quite loud, not
> > unlike lifter noise. I don't know if this is similar to your "diesel
> > sound". Once the engine warms up the sound goes away. I was able to
> > eliminate the sound on start up by switching to Mobil 1. It
> > substantially reduced the sound immediately and over time it went away
> > completely even at very cold temperatures.
> >
> > If your engine doesn't sound right take it to your Ford dealer and have
> > them listen to your engine on cold start up. I left my truck at the
> > dealer over night when I first discovered the problem. In the morning
> > my service rep and head mechanic and I went out to the truck together to
> > listen to the noise. In my case it was not necessary, but if your
> > dealer is not convinced you have a problem, compare it to another truck
> > on the lot with a new/similar engine. If there is obviously a problem,
> > have them write up a work order and have them call Ford for a fix. Even
> > if there is currently no fix available, have them keep the work order
> > open. At least if they are aware of the problem and you keep bugging
> > them every so often, you can expect to receive either a fix or a new
> > engine at some later point when Ford addresses the problem finally. In
> > my case, even though my warrantee miles are up, the open work order is
> > enough to keep a free fix available to me. I do call every couple-three
> > weeks to keep them on their toes. So far no fix is available.
> >
> > Best of luck!
> >
> > Vaughn (VDB) wrote:
> > >
> > > When somebody, sorry I forgot who, mentioned
> > > that the dreaded piston slap sounded somewhat like a
> > > diesel, an alarm went off in my head because mine
> > > sounds, although real subtle, like that.
> > > At least to me its not real audible but it does
> > > have a diesel sound. Matter of fact its sounded that
> > > way since new (4000 miles now) my brother even mentioned
> > > that "man it sounds almost like a diesel".
> > > But to me its barely there. Now what should I do?
> > > Just leave it until it seems to get worse, if it does?
> > > Or take it into the dealer and see what they say?
> > > I would think by now most dealers would be aware of
> > > this problem and (hopefully) react accordingly.
> > > I'm going to let my brother (jet pilot, ex mechanic) listen
> > > to it again and see what he thinks....
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Vaughn
> > > 99 F250 SD SC SB XLT 4X4 5.4 Oxford White
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> This sound is really getting annoying for me. Since new I have changed
> the oil & filter every 2500km, I consider this well maintained. And the
> funny part is it has lots of power, same characteristics every day but
> it in no way sounds like a V-8 that should be inside a" SUPERDUTY". It
> sounds like a Subaru or VW Bug. Mobil 1 and Motorcraft filter went in
> today, sounds the same. Can anyone else feel this noise through the gas
> pedal like I can. Is every body else happy with the sound of their "5.4
> V-8" Superduty. What comparisons do you have to 5.0 or 5.7. My 5.0
> Mustang with 175,000km original miles doesn`t have piston slap. I now
> have 12,500km on this truck that " IMAGINE THIS" cost $34,000 + Tax,
> Could have built one hell of a nice truck myself for that amount of
> money
> Any comments or description of Superduty with 5.4 always appreciated
>
> Kent
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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 20:38:58 PST
From: "Frank Spor"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - SD 250 V10 Arrived! First impressions.

Opportunity Knocking....

I would be very happy to install "real" garage doors (including
structural mods) for all you folks that can't get your sudsy's into the
garage.

Of course I might have to charge more when I figure out what this new
truck of mine is gonna cost to run....

Frank



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Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 00:05:51 EST
From: TSTorres aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: 98 Ford Explorer - Front end squeal

I live in the Chicago area, not a mechanic, and have a 98 Ford Explorer XLT.
Since it has gotten cold, around 25-35 degrees, I'm hearing an occasional high
pitched squeal in front driver side wheel area. It sounds like when brakes
are wearing, or a bearing squeal. It seems to go away at high speed (probably
because wheels are turning at high rate), and doesn't seem to be related to
brakes because it doesn't stop when I apply the brakes. It also does not stop
when turning. Funny thing is when it got even colder, 15 to below zero, it
stopped. When driving in snow, with 4 wheel drive high turned on, it did not
make the noise. Any clues ? Take it in I guess !
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Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 00:09:33 4
From: "Vaughn (VDB)"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Piston slap.

Is this noise only for a few seconds on start up or is it
continuous? The piston slap problem/noise goes away when the
engine heats up and the pistons expand. It sounds strange to me
when you say you "hear it through the gas pedal".


Yeah, you may want to have a doctor check that out!! LOL!

Vaughn
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Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 01:10:21 -0500
From: Rick Heis
Subject: FTE 97up - 1999 F150 Tranny

Hello,

Just wanted to comfirm which transmission the 1999 F150 5.4 SC SB has.
Is it the 4R100W or 4R70W or E4OD?

Also, if it is the 4R100W, what are the differences compared to the 4R70W?
I checked out the baumann engineering web site, but no information on the
4R100W...

Thanks,

Rick Heis
Morgantown, WV
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Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 02:23:10 -0500
From: Michael Ruth
Subject: FTE 97up - Surging 99 SD Diesel

HI All!
My 99 Superduty Powerstroke has a severe surge every morning after the
truck has sat in the cold for at least 12 hours. It starts up and runs
high to low , high to low and so on untill it either cuts out or
smooths out. Anyone else experience this? Please let me know bevause
my dealer is puzzeled.
Mike
xplorit....


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