97up-list-digest Tuesday, April 27 1999 Volume 02 : Number 109



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In this issue:

RE: FTE 97up - Track Bar on 1999 Super Duty
RE: FTE 97up - Track Bar on 1999 Super Duty-Mike
FTE 97up - Internet dealers
RE: FTE 97up - Internet dealers
Re: FTE 97up - Internet dealers
FTE 97up - Post 10K Miles Performance Jump?
RE: FTE 97up - Post 10K Miles Performance Jump?
Re: FTE 97up - Post 10K Miles Performance Jump?
RE: FTE 97up - Post 10K Miles Performance Jump?
Re: FTE 97up - Internet dealers
FTE 97up - Cape Hatteras Trip July 4th weekend
FTE 97up - ADMIN: Pigeon Forge Show, Information
FTE 97up - Re: Y2K
Re: FTE 97up - No power while towing and on freeway

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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 06:26:23 -0500
From: "Strukel, Mike"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Track Bar on 1999 Super Duty

The track bar is what keeps the axle centered under the truck. If you lift
a truck and do not drop the track bar, the axle will shift left.
Placement of the track bar can significantly impact your handling. I
have installed a lift in just about every truck I have ever owned and in my
opinion, I would not lift the truck without the track bar drop bracket.


Mike Strukel
99 F250 SD SC V10, 2" Superlift, 35x12.50 BFG Mud Terrains

> -----Original Message-----
> From:Jeff Schapker [SMTP:jmschap evansville.net]
> Sent:Saturday, April 24, 1999 5:06 PM
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> Subject:FTE 97up - Track Bar on 1999 Super Duty
>
>
>
> What is the purpose of the track bar. Superlift's 2" lift relocates the
> track bar and Tuff Country's 3" lift does not. What kind of problems can a
> person have by not relocating the track bar.
> Thanks,
> Jeff
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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 09:10:36 -0700
From: "Jeff Schapker"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Track Bar on 1999 Super Duty-Mike

Mike,
How do you like the 2" Superlift? Does it have good quality parts?
Thanks, Jeff

The track bar is what keeps the axle centered under the truck. If you lift
a truck and do not drop the track bar, the axle will shift left.
Placement of the track bar can significantly impact your handling. I
have installed a lift in just about every truck I have ever owned and in my
opinion, I would not lift the truck without the track bar drop bracket.


Mike Strukel
99 F250 SD SC V10, 2" Superlift, 35x12.50 BFG Mud Terrains


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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 07:12:02 -0700
From: Aaron_Kovach 3com.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Internet dealers

Does anyone know some dealers that sell Ford trucks over the internet for near
or below invoice price? I bought mine through Jim Isbell Ford, but now my
father went to order one and found out that Jim Isbell is out of business. Any
help would be appreciated.

//Aaron


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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 09:53:15 -0500
From: "Strukel, Mike"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Internet dealers

http:\www.autobytel.com

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>
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> Does anyone know some dealers that sell Ford trucks over the internet for
> near
> or below invoice price? I bought mine through Jim Isbell Ford, but now
> my
> father went to order one and found out that Jim Isbell is out of business.
> Any
> help would be appreciated.
>
> //Aaron
>
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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 11:42:55 -0500
From: "Greg Gilmore"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Internet dealers

Aaron - there are some dealers on a service called http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.forddirect.com
I know those dealers have agreed to provide quotes near invoice over the
internet
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Date: Monday, April 26, 1999 9:15 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - Internet dealers


>
>
>Does anyone know some dealers that sell Ford trucks over the internet for
near
>or below invoice price? I bought mine through Jim Isbell Ford, but now my
>father went to order one and found out that Jim Isbell is out of business.
Any
>help would be appreciated.
>
>//Aaron
>
>
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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 13:40:20 -0500
From: "Charles Abraham"
Subject: FTE 97up - Post 10K Miles Performance Jump?

Has anyone heard of this before? That after your truck's odometer
passes the 10,000 miles mark, there is an increase of horse power.
Supposedly, before this milestone, the truck's engine is being gated
by the onboard computer which is in a "break-in" mode.

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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 13:57:41 -0500
From: "Strukel, Mike"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Post 10K Miles Performance Jump?

I have never heard of this on a truck before, however in the snowmobile
arena, Ski Doo makes something called a DPM, which is similar to EFI.
It is documented that they run the sled in "break in " mode for 200 miles,
then after that point, there is a noticeable performance gain.


I have heard many people say that there was a mileage/performace gain at
about 5000 mileson the V10s, maybe this is why?


Mike Strukel

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> Sent:Monday, April 26, 1999 1:40 PM
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> Subject:FTE 97up - Post 10K Miles Performance Jump?
>
> Has anyone heard of this before? That after your truck's odometer
> passes the 10,000 miles mark, there is an increase of horse power.
> Supposedly, before this milestone, the truck's engine is being gated
> by the onboard computer which is in a "break-in" mode.
>
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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 14:06:28 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Douglas R. Floyd"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Post 10K Miles Performance Jump?

>
> Has anyone heard of this before? That after your truck's odometer
> passes the 10,000 miles mark, there is an increase of horse power.
> Supposedly, before this milestone, the truck's engine is being gated
> by the onboard computer which is in a "break-in" mode.

On my 98 F150, I did not notice this.


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| True hope lies beyond the coast
Disclaimer: | You're a damned kind can't you see
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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 14:16:29 -0500
From: "Chris Patrick"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Post 10K Miles Performance Jump?

there is an old saying "an engine broken in fast will be fast." todays
engines are built to very narrow tollerances. there is alot of friction
internally in a motor, which over time as parts wear will be less and less.
there is no "magic" number of miles when your truck becomes a supertruck..
but my '96 stocker gained over half a second on the quarter between new, and
20k miles.

My truck still has less than 6k miles.. and is still performing as it did
when new in January.



> I have never heard of this on a truck before, however in the
> snowmobile
> arena, Ski Doo makes something called a DPM, which is
> similar to EFI.
> It is documented that they run the sled in "break in " mode
> for 200 miles,
> then after that point, there is a noticeable performance gain.
>
>
> I have heard many people say that there was a
> mileage/performace gain at
> about 5000 mileson the V10s, maybe this is why?

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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 15:23:43 EDT
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Internet dealers

In a message dated 99-04-26 10:14:24 EDT, you write:


i tried to locate one through woodhouse ford per a friends recommendation i
think its woodhouse .com, real nice guys when i talked to someone on the
phone , but they didnt have what i wanted on the lot but gave me a smokeing
deal of a price, just not what i was looking for in a SD. they are in
Nebraska.
They usually have a ton of trucks my friend said, its called the mountain
of trucks or something because there on a hill.

RS

Date:99-04-26 10:14:24 EDT
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Does anyone know some dealers that sell Ford trucks over the internet for
near
or below invoice price? I bought mine through Jim Isbell Ford, but now my
father went to order one and found out that Jim Isbell is out of business.
Any
help would be appreciated.

//Aaron


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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 20:20:53 -0400
From: "Eddie Pettit"
Subject: FTE 97up - Cape Hatteras Trip July 4th weekend

After my last Cape Hatteras, NC trip there was some interest from others
that would have liked to go, so I'm posting this in advance so that those
that want to go can make plans to meet us there on one of the days. I've
already made reservations at Avon Motel for the 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th of
July.

For those interested their site is at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.avonmotel.com/ Rates are
something like $75 per night and pets are OK, or so we were told. If you
want some basic info about the area go to
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ego.net/us/nc/ob/index.htm This will also list more hotels and
even campgrounds in the area. I thought about camping, but doing it in a
tent can be brutal in July and August.

I'll try to remember to post again as it gets closer but if you want a
motel/hotel room somewhere you better decide quickly -- I called several
places that said they were full.

Eddie Pettit
Midlothian VA
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://surf.to/my97F150

BTW, you can see pics of the terrain on my site.

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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 22:45:56 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 97up - ADMIN: Pigeon Forge Show, Information

Those of you who are interested in attending the 21st Annual
F100 Supernationals in Pigeon Forge Tennessee can join the
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lodging alternatives. We are going to have a Saturday
breakfast at the Alan Jackson Cafe and the Georgia LoRiders
(a Ford truck club based in Atlanta) has invited us to
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The show is from May 13-16. Last year there where over 800
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 00:06:47 -0500
From: "Bud Feuless & Miki Magara"
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Y2K

Nathan mentioned the Y2K date rollback... BTW, the rollback year is 1972, in
general. The only reason for that particular choice is that day of week
will be the same for a given date. Use of 1900 or 1996 will lead to
incorrect day of week... not that our trucks should really care.

By the way, Ken, Ford's Y2K statements certainly do not seem to jump out at
you on their web-site and a site map doesn't either, but there does seem to
be a press release about ITAA certification from 04/14 that has appeared
since last I checked. The links in this report do include the statements
you refer to, but this does not completely answer the question.
Date-related issues in a lot of equipment will not cause
performance-impacting errors. Many PBX's, routers, and yes, some cars, will
suffer service-impacting errors. In other words, these are errors, such as
a failure in SNMP or other monitoring and diagnostic tools that will impede
future service. This kind of failure is what will cause what we are calling
"graceful degradation at the fringes" ,which we can expect in certain
industries in the year following Y2K. The big issue with a
service-impacting Y2K problem, especially for older products, is whether the
manufacturer will handle upgrades under an implied warranty. Fortunately,
Nathan's response seems to clear this up for Ford at least, as he says that
the computer does not use time/date in diagnostics, thankfully. That was
the kind of info I was looking for (thanks, as always, Nathan!).

I agree that the media have overblown the Y2K issue, but, more accurately,
as usual, they have gone on a tireless search for what can be sold as a
"sexy" story. Unfortunately, this means that they have undermined the truth
and facts of Y2K, which is a serious issue for some companies, especially
those involved in the real-time processing of financial, medical, insurance,
safety or other crucial data. While I agree that Armageddon is not at all
near as a result of a programming short-cut gone bad, to get caught up
completely in the backlash against the media over-hype of Y2K and blow it
off completely would be to ask for trouble. The only reasonable approach is
to focus on the facts. Emotions are what have some folks in the woods with
guns and others deliberately oblivious today. The prudent path lies
somewhere in between... even when applied to something so obscure as the
average Ford...

So, what do you all think of this for a potential plot for a new episode of
the Twilight Zone... A guy is so worried about Y2K, he gets himself put
into cryogenic sleep to avoid it. He wakes up from his sleep in a dark
room... stumbles outside and sees a newspaper blowing by... picks it up...
headline reads "World Braces for Y10K Disaster!" He then stumbles out onto
the street and sees a bank clock, which reads "12:05am, Monday, January 1,
0000". After our "hero" has approximately 20.5 minutes of harrowing
adventures... he ends our tale with the realization that the Y10K bug saved
his life. His "time capsule" only opened because it had a Y10K bug and
could not handle the new 5-digit year, so it went into failsafe mode and
opened up...

;o)

By the way... the classified ads had an ad for the new Year 10000 Ford Super
Duty Planetary Pickup, capable of hauling a small moon up to 300 parsecs
without a single refueling stop. Activists were already protesting, based
on the risk that the new Ford's ramjet hydrogen collection systems might
pose to the fragile galactic ecology and had hastened to point out that the
new Ford might easily destroy small artificial satellites, if they happened
to get in its way. Meanwhile, sales were skyrocketing (literally)... as
every housewife hurried to get a new Planetary Pickup to haul groceries from
the nearest Planet Wal-Mart...

Regards, Bud


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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 04:43:40 EDT
From: FISHNG1 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - No power while towing and on freeway

It seems to me that ever since I had my new T/C installed, I have a lot less
power. When I enter the freeway at the same ramp that I always use, it is
hard to get it up to the 55 mph quickly, I have to push the pedal to the
floor with a resounding thud and hold it there to get ahead of oncoming
traffic.
I also notice a dramatic difference when I tow my boat, which probably only
weighs 3000 pounds loaded. This last weekend when I towed it on the freeway
at 55 or 60 mph in O/D as I have before, it would shift down and the turbo
would kick on and stay on, once for about 1/2 mile or longer....and it was
only on a grade that was hardly even noticeable if one at all.
And my truck that now has 6200 miles on it seems much noisier, it seems to
have a knock that wasn't there before. I have brought it back to my
dealer,and had the mechanic go for a drive with me. He said everything
sounded normal, and it was just probably getting broke in and therefore would
be louder!
I read all these posts about pulling these huge 5th wheels up hills and with
such acceleration, I can't even imagine mine doing this without grunting. I
hate to put my truck down, it is my pride and joy. But, it is also very
embarrassing to have a loaner sitting in the spot that I ussually park my
truck and then haveing to explain where the truck is.
Anyone else out there with similar problems? I will be bringing it to a....

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