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In this issue:

Re: FTE 97up - letter from Ford -Reply
Re: FTE 97up - Roof
Re: FTE 97up - letter from Ford -Reply -Reply
Re: FTE 97up - letter from Ford -Reply
RE: FTE 97up - Rubbing noise
RE: FTE 97up - Rubbing noise
RE: FTE 97up - Roof
FTE 97up - Webcast Ford's Annual Meeting
Re: FTE 97up - RE: transmission question
Re: FTE 97up - letter from Ford -Reply
FTE 97up - RE: Y2K bug question
RE: FTE 97up - RE: Y2K bug question
Re: FTE 97up - RE: Y2K bug question
Re: FTE 97up - RE: Y2K bug question
Re: FTE 97up - RE: Y2K bug question
Re: FTE 97up - RE: Y2K bug question
FTE 97up - am/fm antenna amplifier
RE: FTE 97up - am/fm antenna amplifier
Re: FTE 97up - RE: Y2K bug question
Re: FTE 97up - RE: Y2K bug question
Re: FTE 97up - RE: Y2K bug question
FTE 97up - Colorado Shootings (another off-topic one)
FTE 97up - Realigning steering wheel after lift?

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 04:49:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: Hunter
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - letter from Ford -Reply

Hi everyone,
I went to the dealer and I found out that I was not the only lucky one. In a nut
shell, they gave me $5 and asked me what kind of vehicle I drive, year, model, payment,
how much left on it, etc. Then I asked what about the %. 9 and he said you can get
any Ford vehicle with %.9 and we will take your trade. Then when we got to the paper
work, he told me that I couldn't get the full size trucks with the %. 9. I said it
didn't say anything about that in the paper. He said, that this is the deal. So I got
really upset and walked a way.

I really think it was a scam, Now I'm really upset, so I'll do all I could to post
this letter I got so you guys will see it.

Hunter


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> Cool. I'm a lawyer, I'll look at it and tell you what the deal is.

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 08:16:47 -0500
From: "Charles Abraham"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Roof

Only places are in the two channels that run from the rear of the cab to the front, not smooth
finish but textured. Speaking of roofs, I haven't seen a pickup that had a roof without some
light scratches or scuff marks. It's almost as if during manufacture the roof of the truck is used
by the workers as a work bench to place objects on (tools, clip-boards, accessories). Just
an observation.

Charles.

Adry Gimenez wrote:

> Hey,,,,
>
> Is it just me or are the Roofs on the Superduty Crew Cabs pretty cheeply made, and poorly constructed. On mine you can see alot of dents and and little fragments under the paint.....
>
> Another Question, I didnt get no blanket or any other little accessory on my truck and it is fully loaded....I didnt get any sort of things like everybody else gets.
> Thanks
>
> becks2
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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 09:40:30 -0400
From: GEORGE CROLL
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - letter from Ford -Reply -Reply

sounds like the same thing I heard when I talked to a dealer out there.

See my previous post.
George Croll
EPA-OAR-ARD
(202)564-0162
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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 10:28:09 -0400
From: Glenn Lepore
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - letter from Ford -Reply

At 04:49 AM 4/22/99 -0700, you wrote:
>Then I asked what about the %. 9 and he said you can get
>any Ford vehicle with %.9 and we will take your trade.
>Then when we got to the paper work, he told me that I
>couldn't get the full size trucks with the %. 9. I
>said it didn't say anything about that in the paper.
>He said, that this is the deal. So I got really upset
>and walked a way.

This is false advertising IMHO. The guy just got done saying
you could choose from any Ford vehicle and get the %.9 financing.


>I really think it was a scam, Now I'm really upset,
>so I'll do all I could to post this letter I got so
>you guys will see it.

I would start with the district office, and work you way up
the management ladder.

My $0.02

Glenn

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 09:29:26 -0500
From: George Rigney
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Rubbing noise

Thanks to everyone who has offered suggestions. The truck is a 4x2, so
there are no front leaf springs. The noise comes from the front right wheel
well and only occurs on hard left turns. I think it's the tire rubbing on
the frame member. I'll confirm that this weekend. If that is the case, I
guess I'll just spray some silicon lubricant on the inside wall of the tire
to reduce wear and tell my wife to ease off a little when making lefts. I
can have the tie rods adjusted when I go in for my 5000-mile service.

George

1974 Gran Torino Elite 351W
1984 LTD Crown Victoria 302
1999 F250 SD CC V10

- -----Original Message-----
From: Charles Abraham [mailto:abrahamc agcs.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 1999 9:35 AM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Rubbing noise


Same thing on my new truck.

Do these "prep guys" have instructions for each vehicle type as to what
to prep or check for?

After they installed a Ford bug deflector it was almost impossible to close
my hood - really took a hard slam. Upon inspection in my garage I found
the problem: they had left the original hood gasket in place and mounted on
top of it the Ford bug deflector which has its own gasket. The combined
thickness of all put the hood latch out of reach unless they were compressed
by a really hard slam. Fortunately, the hood latch is adjustable, so I
loosened
the two 5/16" bolts and moved it up until I got the latch to grab. The
correct
fix,
I believe, would have been to remove the original hood gasket to begin with.

You would think the "prep guys" would have know to do this.

The Ford splash guards were no different. The front guards have a bottom
mounting hole flange molded into the plastic, that is meant to attach to the
underside
of the rocker panel just in front of the cab step. It re-uses a plastic
"xmas
tree"
type fastener already in place. Well, these were left un-attached. I had to
go
back and have the body shop guy attach them. And he commented to me that
he had just done the same for another truck. (I had him use new fasteners.)

Sorry to complain so much,

Charles.



"Suarez, William" wrote:

> George,
>
> I don't know if this is your "problem" or not, but my truck was delivered
> with the shipping spacers still in the front leaf springs. You wouldn't
> think it could cause your problem but I had some strange sounds myself,
that
> lead me to finding the spacers, that all went away after I removed them.
>
> You would think the word "discard" stamped on them might have given the
> prep. guys a clue............then again.
>
> Bill Suarez
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: George Rigney [mailto:George.Rigney WSNelson.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 1999 9:22 AM
> To: '97up-list ford-trucks.com'
> Subject: FTE 97up - Rubbing noise
>
> Last night I noticed what seemed like a rubbing noise in the front right
> wheel well. My wife has noticed it before, but this was the first time I
> heard it myself. I suspect that the tire is rubbing against something.
Has
> anyone else had this problem? The tires are stock This weekend I'm going
> to have my wife make turns around a parking lot while I watch. I'll also
> put some chalk lines on the tire and see where they rub off. If anyone
has
> any other suggestions, I'd love to hear them.
>
> George
>
> 1974 Gran Torino Elite 351W
> 1984 LTD Crown Victoria 302
> 1999 F250 SD CC V10
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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 09:33:39 -0500
From: Todd Styles
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Rubbing noise

I have a '99 F250SD 4x2 and when I first got the truck it had an unusual
metallic rubbing noise when making a right-hand turn. It was the left front
brake dust shield rubbing against the wheel. The clearance is very tight.
I reached under and pulled the shield away about 1/8 inch and it hasn't
happened again.

Todd
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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 09:43:26 -0500
From: "Chris Patrick"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Roof

> Speaking of roofs, I haven't seen a
> pickup that had a roof .........

i havent seen a factory pickup WITHOUT a roof since dodge discontinued the
shelby dakota convertable....
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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 09:21:16 -0600
From: "Matus, Scott A"
Subject: FTE 97up - Webcast Ford's Annual Meeting

Just in case someone has stock and cannot attend in person at Detroit.
You techies may like this, just like the Victoria Secrets on-line Fashion
Show.
Ford Motor Company to Webcast Annual Meeting >
> April 22, 1999
> DEARBORN, Mich., April 21 /PRNewswire/ via NewsEdge Corporation --
Ford Motor Company (NYSE: F) will webcast its 1999 Annual Meeting of
Shareholders " live" on the Internet for the benefit of shareholders and
interested parties unable to travel to Michigan. "As we prepare to enter
the new millennium, we want to make sure our methods for communicating with
shareholders and the investment community remain on the cutting edge," said
William Clay Ford, Jr., who will preside over his first annual meeting as
chairman of Ford Motor Company on May 13. " Using the Internet as a tool to
reach a broader audience is part of this commitment, and with the way
technology is moving, there may come a day when our annual meeting is
conducted solely in cyberspace." The webcast of the Ford Motor Company
annual meeting will be available through a link from the Ford Motor Company
homepage, , and also through broadcast.com. Ford Motor
Company shareholders already can receive their annual reports and proxy
statements and cast ballots for the election of directors and for
shareholder proposals on the Internet today at www.shareholder.ford.com.
For those who prefer the in-person experience, this year's meeting will be
held at the Detroit Opera House, 1526 Broadway, Detroit, MI. The meeting
will start at 10 a.m. (U.S. Eastern Daylight Time). SOURCE Ford Motor
Company


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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 11:47:09 EDT
From: RAMWORKER aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - RE: transmission question

Hi Bud,

I know a little about the Dodge tow ratings. I believe I remember that you
have a PSD truck? So you were probably looking at the diesel tow ratings? If
so, here's the deal on the diesel ratings. Dodge offers a derated engine with
the automatic, 215 hp & 420 lb/ft vs. 235 hp & 460 lb/ft for the manual,
hence the lower rating for the auto, also, the 4.10 axle ratio is rated to
tow more weight than the 3.54 with the auto.

Heavy duty transmissions in the Dodges? ah...uh...not really. The NV 4500
(five speed) manual is OK, but they continue to have problems with the fifth
gear nut falling off, not a big deal, but an annoying two hour repair that
doesn't really solve the problem, it may well recur. The new NV5600 (six
speed) is finally out after a 16 month delay (yes really, I saw two of them
in Wabash, In. when I was broken down there last week, had lots of troubles
lately, all tranny related) the NV5600 is much beefier, larger and heavier
than the NV4500, it may be a good trans, too early to tell. Despite the
beefier trans, rated for 550 lb/ft, Dodge is NOT offering a more powerful
Cummins with the NV5600. Automatic transmissions in the Dodge? Gee I wish I
had a 4L80E in my truck, or failing in that, a 4R100.

Dodge trucks like a Big Rig? snicker, laugh, guffaw. After a short period of
using mine as a hot-shot rig, I'll say this, never again with a pickup truck,
anybody's' pickup, despite tow ratings that indicate they will work as hard
as a Freightliner FL50, the pickups just aren't suited for that duty. I given
up on the F-450 and F-550 as well, too much like a pickup and overpriced (as
are all the 1 tons when

Here's a rumor for you (Despite years of unsubstantiated rumors, this one is
strong and credible, or else I wouldn't help spread it), Allison has
developed a new line of transmissions, the 1000, 2000 and 2400 series, one of
them is rated for GVW's of about 19,000 lbs. and has a parking sprag, may be
a five or six speed, just right for a 1 ton, gee...which one of the big three
has a known big problem with autos, particularly with diesels? Rumor has it
that it will begin shipping in time for the 2000 model year, if Chrysler does
this like they do everything else, that should translate into about a 2002
release date.

Best Regards,
Robert

In a message dated 4/21/99 7:41:30 PM Pacific Daylight Time, bfeuless pdq.net
writes:

> As an interesting note, I thought I would share something I found
> recently... While Ford tends to provide highest tow ratings for its
> automatics in its trucks, which most likely relates to the torque/stall
> ratio of an automatic and its tendency to be able to increase shaft torque
> from the engine, I was surprise the other day to find that D*dge seems to
> offer its trucks with higher tow ratings in the standards. I guess they
are
> using HD transmissions and perhaps taller axle gearing, more like a big
rig.
> Anyone with insights on that?

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 11:48:21 -0500
From: "C. K. Hartline"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - letter from Ford -Reply

yeah if you've ever noticed Dodge ad's, often times they'll offer huge
rebates on stuff and then in fine print it'll say something like 'this offer
does not apply to quad cab pickups'. In other words, their hottest selling
item is not included in the deal because they know the vehicles are selling
themselves. I did the same thing, walked out and now I'm pretty happy I
did, with a little more research and some checking, found out I really
wanted the 'more options' Ford SuperDuty anyway...

C.K.

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 10:06:36 -0700
From: STEPHEN_WITTE hp-sandiego-om2.om.hp.com
Subject: FTE 97up - RE: Y2K bug question


Well there someone opened a can of bugs (uh I mean worms).
I'm curious about how many Ford Truck enthusiasts:

1. Absolutely have no doubts that their truck will start Jan 1, 2000.
2. Have some doubts but not enough to worry about.
3. Have some doubts and will not travel around this date.
4. Are absolutely convinced their cars are not going to start.

Please feel free to post your response...

- Stephen Witte

P.S. I'll post my own response later...

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 13:18:23 -0500
From: George Rigney
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - RE: Y2K bug question

Put me down as a number 1. Why in the world would a vehicle's
microprocessor need to know what time it is? None of its business. I don't
see why they would build this capability into a computer engine control.
Can anyone answer this?

George

1974 Gran Torino Elite 351W
1984 LTD Crown Victoria 302
1999 F250 SD CC V10

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From: STEPHEN_WITTE hp-sandiego-om2.om.hp.com
[mailto:STEPHEN_WITTE hp-sandiego-om2.om.hp.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 1999 12:07 PM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Cc: WITTE_STEPHEN/hp-sandiego_om2 hpbs4993.boi.hp.com
Subject: FTE 97up - RE: Y2K bug question



Well there someone opened a can of bugs (uh I mean worms).
I'm curious about how many Ford Truck enthusiasts:

1. Absolutely have no doubts that their truck will start Jan 1, 2000.
2. Have some doubts but not enough to worry about.
3. Have some doubts and will not travel around this date.
4. Are absolutely convinced their cars are not going to start.

Please feel free to post your response...

- Stephen Witte

P.S. I'll post my own response later...

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 13:42:45 -0500
From: Jeff Hagen
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - RE: Y2K bug question

Wouldn't it be better for everyone to post their responses to you? And
then you can compile the results?

- - Jeff



At 10:06 AM 4/22/99 -0700, you wrote:
>
> Well there someone opened a can of bugs (uh I mean worms).
> I'm curious about how many Ford Truck enthusiasts:
>
> 1. Absolutely have no doubts that their truck will start Jan 1, 2000.
> 2. Have some doubts but not enough to worry about.
> 3. Have some doubts and will not travel around this date.
> 4. Are absolutely convinced their cars are not going to start.
>
> Please feel free to post your response...
>
> - Stephen Witte
>
> P.S. I'll post my own response later...
>
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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 15:02:12 -0400
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - RE: Y2K bug question

I have an idea, I will start my truck at about 11:50 PM on December 31, 1999
and let it idle through the New Year date change. Then (if it is still
running) I will turn it off at about 12:30 AM January 1, 2000.

Keith


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Date: Thursday, April 22, 1999 1:17 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - RE: Y2K bug question


>
> Well there someone opened a can of bugs (uh I mean worms).
> I'm curious about how many Ford Truck enthusiasts:
>
> 1. Absolutely have no doubts that their truck will start Jan 1, 2000.
> 2. Have some doubts but not enough to worry about.
> 3. Have some doubts and will not travel around this date.
> 4. Are absolutely convinced their cars are not going to start.
>
> Please feel free to post your response...
>
> - Stephen Witte
>
> P.S. I'll post my own response later...
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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 17:24:24 -0400
From: Bill
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - RE: Y2K bug question

STEPHEN_WITTE hp-sandiego-om2.om.hp.com wrote:
>
>
> Well there someone opened a can of bugs (uh I mean worms).
> I'm curious about how many Ford Truck enthusiasts:
>
> 1. Absolutely have no doubts that their truck will start Jan 1, 2000.
> 2. Have some doubts but not enough to worry about.
All depends how cold it gets here in the north
country on that date.
> 3. Have some doubts and will not travel around this date.
> 4. Are absolutely convinced their cars are not going to start.
Why do some people worry about the things they
have no control over!
If the Y2K thing goes as the worriers think and
we have no electric power to pump gas, who cares if there
car will start.
> Please feel free to post your response...
>
> - Stephen Witte
>
> P.S. I'll post my own response later...
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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 17:25:33 EDT
From: Speir2 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - RE: Y2K bug question

In a message dated 4/22/99 2:48:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jhagen he.net
writes:

>

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 16:29:08 -0500
From: "Jack"
Subject: FTE 97up - am/fm antenna amplifier

Does anyone have a recommendation for an am/fm antenna amplifier. I'm
trying to reach some stations further out than local ones.

Thanks
Jack



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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 17:28:37 -0500
From: "Chris Patrick"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - am/fm antenna amplifier

>
> Does anyone have a recommendation for an am/fm antenna amplifier. I'm
> trying to reach some stations further out than local ones.
>
> Thanks
> Jack

I used to own and run a high end stereo store..
and amplifiers will amplify the noise and static as well...
I would get a CD player and forget about fm enitrely.


baring that, SONY uses a diversity antenna on some of thier high end units
that uses two antennas on your car... the factory one and a second unit
mounter somewhere on the opposite end of the vehicle... it uses the
strongest of the two signals, and in weak station situation it will
interpolate lost data and works real good. I had that with my mobile ES
system a few years ago.

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 19:25:06 -0400
From: Karen Wall / Steve Offiler
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - RE: Y2K bug question

At 10:06 AM 4/22/99 -0700, you wrote:
>
> Well there someone opened a can of bugs (uh I mean worms).
> I'm curious about how many Ford Truck enthusiasts:
>
> 1. Absolutely have no doubts that their truck will start Jan 1, 2000.
> 2. Have some doubts but not enough to worry about.
> 3. Have some doubts and will not travel around this date.
> 4. Are absolutely convinced their cars are not going to start.

This one really "bugs" me (sorry). Who, in their right mind, would believe
that a car/truck computer knows what day it is???? Put me down for a very
strong #1.

By the way, my credentials: I am a mechanical engineer with 15 years
experience in the auto industry, plus a strong grasp of electrical and
computer fundamentals. I might be a #3 regarding the power grid and
airline travel, but motor vehicles... no way. They just simply don't know
what day it is, period. Want proof? The last time your battery died, did
you have to reset a day/time function on your car/truck?

I'd love to hear some rational (yeah right) debate from any #4's out there!

Steve O.
soffiler ici.net
North Scituate RI
'97 F-250HD (old-style)

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 21:18:15 -0500
From: "C. K. Hartline"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - RE: Y2K bug question

Ok explain again why this will affect cars driven by a battery which must be
changed or disconnected for repairs? I've never seen a technician stop to
reset the computer 'clock' for a repair...this makes no sense to me...what
am I missing?

C.K.

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 21:28:19 -0500
From: Glenn See
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - RE: Y2K bug question

The last time I asked by 97 F150 what day it was, it had no idea it will
start unless I forget to gas it up. I expect my clock to be correct, my TV
to work, but the coffee shop will close because the first of Y2K is a
holiday in our little town. I would hope that my favorite college football
team is in a bowl game that day so that I can watch them

I would also expect that a lot of folks will make a lot of money off of the
gullible fools that believe them.

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 20:41:25 -0700
From: "Matt Adams"
Subject: FTE 97up - Colorado Shootings (another off-topic one)

I have received so many e-mails that I thought it easier to respond to the
whole group then individually. Thanks for your thoughts. Unfortanetly my
fears were realized when an acquaintence of mine was on the list of
deceased. Please direct any thoughts or condolences to the students of
Columbine High School, for they need it far more than I. The address is:

Columbine High School
6201 S. Pierce
Littleton, CO 80123

Once again, sorry for the off-topic nature of this post.

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Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 04:53:18 EDT
From: FISHNG1 aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Realigning steering wheel after lift?

Howdy guys, last night my sons and I installed the 2 1/2 inch lift from
Jack-it. Made by Tuff Country and all turned out well.
I did not start until 8PM and finished around 3AM, I would have been done
quicker but realized after I had the right spring off that my small floor
jack was just that, too small for the job. I jury rigged the jack with wood....

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