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In this issue:

RE: FTE 97up -was AXLE INFO WANTED..now Lift/Tires
FTE 97up - Front end noises
FTE 97up - Rubbing noise
RE: FTE 97up - Rubbing noise
FTE 97up - F-Series Front-End Noise TSB
Re: FTE 97up - Rubbing noise
Re: FTE 97up - Ignition Key warning Chime
Re: FTE 97up - Ignition Key warning Chime
Re: FTE 97up - letter from Ford -Reply -Reply
FTE 97up - Re: aol / webTV stigma
Re: FTE 97up - Re: aol / webTV stigma
FTE 97up - ford deflector
Re: FTE 97up - Rubbing noise
FTE 97up - The Chime, the "Clunk" and other misc items
Re: FTE 97up - Ignition Key warning Chime
FTE 97up - ADMIN: AOL slams
FTE 97up - The Chime, the "Clunk" and other misc items -Reply
FTE 97up - Ignition Key warning Chime
Re: FTE 97up - Rev Limiter, true or false?
Re: FTE 97up - transmission question
FTE 97up - Roof
FTE 97up - SD Roof
Re: FTE 97up -was AXLE INFO WANTED..now Lift/Tires
FTE 97up - RE: transmission question
FTE 97up - Y2K and Your Truck!
RE: FTE 97up - Ignition Key warning Chime

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 06:35:06 -0500
From: "Strukel, Mike"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up -was AXLE INFO WANTED..now Lift/Tires

Steve,

A couple of cautions on the modifications you wish to do.

First, if your truck was built after Feb. 15, you now have a 2" block
between the rear axle and the springs. These used to be a 4" block
(actually 3 3/4").
I recently put the 2" Superlift in the front of my truck and was unaware of
the block size change. When I finished the lift, the truck looked
horrible! It was about an inch low in the back.

Thanks to Nathan, I found out about the block size change. I then called
my dealer and told hem what happened, and they agreed to cover the blocks
and U bolts under warranty. Of course with my luck, the 4" blocks are
backordered 3 plus months out! I called about a dozen dealers to see if
someone had a set of these that were removed, but no one did. I also
called Superlift to see if they had a block for this and they were not even
aware of it yet. They did however thank me numerous times for that
information. At that point I called a spring shop to talk to them about a
set of Add a leafs for the rear. It turns out that they had a set of the
4" blocks
that they had just removed! I lucked out! Of course they charged me $40
for something they pulled out of the scrap pile!

A note for anyone that changes the 2" to the 4"..... The U bolts are long
enough for the 4" blocks and the brake lines are long enough too.

As far as tires go. I had planned on going with a 295/75R16 BFG, but
after installing the lift, that size is too small. I think the 285s or
295s would be a great mod for a stock truck, but if you are going through
the trouble and expense of a lift, spend the money and buy a bigger tire.
I have now ordered 35x12.50 BFGs. My tires should be here next week. I
will take a picture and send it to Ken for the web page.


Mike Strukel
99 F250 SD, V10, 2" Superlift, 35x12.50 BFG Mud Terrains

> -----Original Message-----
> From:FISHNG1 aol.com [SMTP:FISHNG1 aol.com]
> Sent:Wednesday, April 21, 1999 2:48 AM
> To:97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject:Re: FTE 97up - AXLE INFO WANTED.. -Reply
>
> I have ordered the 2.5 inch leveling kit made by Tuff Country and plan
> to
> install 285/75R-16 tires on my stock XLT wheels. I am just trying to
> level
> my truck out and give it a little meaner look, but I not interested in the
>
> monster truck style that some guys have. They do look nice, but I bet they
>
> cost a bundle and are not so easy to drive!
> My question is.....Does anyone here have this size tire on their truck?
> I
> have inquired on a few brands of tires, three of them are as follows, BFG
> T/A
> All Terrains $151.00 ea, Dunlop Radial Rover RV Price N/A, and
> Kelly-Springfield Safari AWR $117.00 ea, or Kelly-S Pathfinder ATR A/S
> $117.00 ea.
> Most of the local shops are willing to give me about $50.00 ea trade in
> on
> my Firestones.
> Do you think that these tires will fill up my wheel wells to my
> satifaction.?
>
> Thanks for any input.
> Steve Ng....The FishNg1
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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 05:05:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: Neal Moon
Subject: FTE 97up - Front end noises

starting yesterday, i noticed that my front end squeak loud enough to
fed through the cab when accelarating. i have a psd with a full bumper
replacement about 3-400 lbs. has anyone had this problem or is there a
tsb . thanks in advance for any help
- -Neal

_________________________________________________________
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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 08:22:29 -0500
From: George Rigney
Subject: FTE 97up - Rubbing noise

Last night I noticed what seemed like a rubbing noise in the front right
wheel well. My wife has noticed it before, but this was the first time I
heard it myself. I suspect that the tire is rubbing against something. Has
anyone else had this problem? The tires are stock This weekend I'm going
to have my wife make turns around a parking lot while I watch. I'll also
put some chalk lines on the tire and see where they rub off. If anyone has
any other suggestions, I'd love to hear them.

George

1974 Gran Torino Elite 351W
1984 LTD Crown Victoria 302
1999 F250 SD CC V10
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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 09:26:42 -0400
From: "Suarez, William"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Rubbing noise

George,

I don't know if this is your "problem" or not, but my truck was delivered
with the shipping spacers still in the front leaf springs. You wouldn't
think it could cause your problem but I had some strange sounds myself, that
lead me to finding the spacers, that all went away after I removed them.

You would think the word "discard" stamped on them might have given the
prep. guys a clue............then again.

Bill Suarez

- -----Original Message-----
From: George Rigney [mailto:George.Rigney WSNelson.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 1999 9:22 AM
To: '97up-list ford-trucks.com'
Subject: FTE 97up - Rubbing noise


Last night I noticed what seemed like a rubbing noise in the front right
wheel well. My wife has noticed it before, but this was the first time I
heard it myself. I suspect that the tire is rubbing against something. Has
anyone else had this problem? The tires are stock This weekend I'm going
to have my wife make turns around a parking lot while I watch. I'll also
put some chalk lines on the tire and see where they rub off. If anyone has
any other suggestions, I'd love to hear them.

George

1974 Gran Torino Elite 351W
1984 LTD Crown Victoria 302
1999 F250 SD CC V10
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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:29:28 -0400
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: FTE 97up - F-Series Front-End Noise TSB

OK all you owners of 1999 SuperDuty F-Series (4X4 only) there is a Special
Service Message Number 12555 which states:

"Some 1999 SuperDuty F-Series 4X4 Models may exhibit a squeal noise from the
front axle in both 4x2 and 4x4 modes. This may be caused by a lack of
lubrication to the front axle seal. Engineering is currently testing an
oil-impregnated seal material that will work along with the gear lube to
prevent the noise from occurring. Do Not attempt repairs at this time
Lubing the seal is only a temporary repair and will lead to a repeat repair
attemp. This message will be updated when new information becomes
available."

I do notice a slight "squeak - squeak - squeak" when driving with the
drivers-side window down going slow next to a building (sound reflection).
I took it in (thought it might be the front "U"joint) and they showed my the
Special Service Message quoted above. The tech did squirt a little lube in
the seal and the noise went away. Apparently, this is due to an "improved"
design (remember, if it is working good - fix it) consisting of an inner and
outer axle seal (with the outer seal being a "dust seal"). The outer seal
can't get lube from the axle due to the inner seal, so you get
rubber-on-rubber squeak. The lube stopped the noise, and the tech said that
it will not cause a problem, but I want it fixed anyway!

Mine sounded kind of like a tire rubbing. So far, 1,200 miles after lubing
the front seal, the noise has not returned

Keith

'99 F-350 SuperDuty / 6.8L V-10 / 4X4 / XLT / SuperCab / Longbed / Factory
Snow-Plow Package / Tuff-Country 3.5" Lift / 8' Fisher Plow w/FishStik / Tow
/ Class V / 4-Wheel OTF / Cloth Captains 1-power / Off-Road / SRW / Power TT
Mirrors / Automatic w/Power-Take-off

'98 Expy 5.4L V-8 / 4X4 / XLT / Tow / Off-Road / Rear Air / 3rd Seat / 17" /
3.73LS

'98 Explorer 5/0L V-8 / All Wheel Drive / XLT / Mach / MoonRoof / 3.73LS


- -----Original Message-----
From: George Rigney
To: '97up-list ford-trucks.com'
Date: Wednesday, April 21, 1999 9:23 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - Rubbing noise


>Last night I noticed what seemed like a rubbing noise in the front right
>wheel well. My wife has noticed it before, but this was the first time I
>heard it myself. I suspect that the tire is rubbing against something.
Has
>anyone else had this problem? The tires are stock This weekend I'm going
>to have my wife make turns around a parking lot while I watch. I'll also
>put some chalk lines on the tire and see where they rub off. If anyone has
>any other suggestions, I'd love to hear them.
>
>George
>
>1974 Gran Torino Elite 351W
>1984 LTD Crown Victoria 302
>1999 F250 SD CC V10
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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 09:34:58 -0500
From: "Charles Abraham"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Rubbing noise

Same thing on my new truck.

Do these "prep guys" have instructions for each vehicle type as to what
to prep or check for?

After they installed a Ford bug deflector it was almost impossible to close
my hood - really took a hard slam. Upon inspection in my garage I found
the problem: they had left the original hood gasket in place and mounted on
top of it the Ford bug deflector which has its own gasket. The combined
thickness of all put the hood latch out of reach unless they were compressed
by a really hard slam. Fortunately, the hood latch is adjustable, so I loosened
the two 5/16" bolts and moved it up until I got the latch to grab. The correct
fix,
I believe, would have been to remove the original hood gasket to begin with.

You would think the "prep guys" would have know to do this.

The Ford splash guards were no different. The front guards have a bottom
mounting hole flange molded into the plastic, that is meant to attach to the
underside
of the rocker panel just in front of the cab step. It re-uses a plastic "xmas
tree"
type fastener already in place. Well, these were left un-attached. I had to go
back and have the body shop guy attach them. And he commented to me that
he had just done the same for another truck. (I had him use new fasteners.)

Sorry to complain so much,

Charles.



"Suarez, William" wrote:

> George,
>
> I don't know if this is your "problem" or not, but my truck was delivered
> with the shipping spacers still in the front leaf springs. You wouldn't
> think it could cause your problem but I had some strange sounds myself, that
> lead me to finding the spacers, that all went away after I removed them.
>
> You would think the word "discard" stamped on them might have given the
> prep. guys a clue............then again.
>
> Bill Suarez
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: George Rigney [mailto:George.Rigney WSNelson.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 1999 9:22 AM
> To: '97up-list ford-trucks.com'
> Subject: FTE 97up - Rubbing noise
>
> Last night I noticed what seemed like a rubbing noise in the front right
> wheel well. My wife has noticed it before, but this was the first time I
> heard it myself. I suspect that the tire is rubbing against something. Has
> anyone else had this problem? The tires are stock This weekend I'm going
> to have my wife make turns around a parking lot while I watch. I'll also
> put some chalk lines on the tire and see where they rub off. If anyone has
> any other suggestions, I'd love to hear them.
>
> George
>
> 1974 Gran Torino Elite 351W
> 1984 LTD Crown Victoria 302
> 1999 F250 SD CC V10
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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 08:51:28 -0600
From: Marc Beauchemin
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Ignition Key warning Chime

Jeff,

Nice trick! Does this diable the seat-belt chime too?
I'm wondering all of the chimes use the same device.

Actually, I'd like to disable only the seat-belt chime. I like the
key & headlight buzzer but I always start her up then put
on the belt while the belt chime goes nuts.
Any thoughts?

Marc
1998 F250LD 4x4 SC/SB 5.4l auto 3:73LS

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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 21:41:16 -0700
From: "Jeff Schapker"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Ignition Key warning Chime

Remove the outside fuse panel cover with the four twist screws. Over on the
....
Jeff


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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:54:53 -0400
From: Jean Marc Chartier
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Ignition Key warning Chime

Union Auto wrote:
>
> I've had the same complaint. The GEM module has a section that lists being
> able to turn off buzzers individually, but unfortunately it doesn't work. I
> called the hot line and they told me the only way to disconnect it is to
> remove the GEM, open it and desolder the buzzer. Makes me miss the old just
> unplug it style.
>
> Nathan Bernard
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Robert Benne
> To:
> Sent: Monday, April 19, 1999 3:43 PM
> Subject: FTE 97up - Ignition Key warning Chime
>
> > Okay, am I wrong or is the chime on the 99 SD one of the more obnoxious
> ones
> > around? Anyone know a simple way to disable/disconnect it?
> >
> >
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Nathan,

I don't know about the SDs but for the F-150s you can
disconnect/cut the wire to the Ignition Key Warning Switch.
Can't the SDs have the same thing done?

Regards

Jean Marc Chartier
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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:35:02 -0400
From: GEORGE CROLL
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - letter from Ford -Reply -Reply

Talked to a dealer in columbus today about a promotional letter sent out. He indicated that the letter is an indication of
some kind of prize or something I didnt understand. I asked about the deal described in the leter. He said the trade in
of 25% above blue book or 4000 over blue book, is a whichever is less offer open to anyone. It is still a pretty good
deal on a trade in. The 0.9% is only on the ranger only not the F-150 or super duty. Letter holders might be entitled
to more it was unclear when talking to the dealer as he was not being clear despite my direct queations like "If you
have the letter do you get any additional deals?. His answer was "you can only get the deal I described earlier"

George Croll
EPA-OAR-ARD
(202)564-0162
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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 11:02:09 EDT
From: BFunk33 aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: aol / webTV stigma

Subject: Re: aol / webTV stigma


>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: BFunk33 aol.com [mailto:BFunk33 aol.com]

>> I can't agree with this, Tom.
>> AOL has more members than any other mail server, so we see
>> more posts with
>>" AOL.COM" than any other server.
>> But I've been with other ISPs, and they have the same "turn
>> 'em loose"
>> system; I've never seen any 'nettiquette' training on any other ISPs.

>So you agree that AOL has massive amounts of members, and little or
>no nettiquette training, yet you don't agree with what I've said?
>Interesting.


I'm surprised.
What I said was that I disagree with your reasoning.
AOL has no lock on a "turn 'em loose" attitude.


>> Of course, because of AOL's sheer size, there will be a lot of *any*
>> characterized people there, whether it's clueless or otherwise.

>If that were the case, I'd expect to see many more posts from AOL'ers that
>were intelligent and/or polite, but this unfortunately has not
>been the case (present company excluded, natch)

I think there is, but we often don't check on those that aren't remarkable in
any real way.
IOW, we see the misfits, while we ignore the "normal" ones.
The idea that AOL is any worse in training their clients is just not
supported by my experience.
As I said, I've been with several other ISPs, and there was no mention of
nettiquette with them, either. All there was, was a setup experience, and
(maybe) an offer of a quick lesson on WEB surfing, and that's it.
If you check AOL's opening newsgroup screen, they do indeed have a section
available on nettiquette. That's it's so obviously seldom accessed isn't
AOL's fault.

And, no, I don't have any connection with AOL except as a paying member.

Bill




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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 11:16:25 -0500
From: "C. K. Hartline"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: aol / webTV stigma

Are we tossing 'non-FTE' issues around again fellas? Personally, lets call
each other names privately, or discuss our aversion to someone else's ISP's
"ability to train any of us to use a computer on the web effectively"
somewhere else. I do agree that we should all be respectful of each others
opinions , but for the
most part, let's discuss trucks and help each other
out, rather than tear one another down. If you really feel the need to
reply to what may appear to be a flame with your own personal flame, click
on the original poster's email addy at the top of the post. That way no one
else has to feel like we are uncontrollably mixed up in someone else's
ruckus.

I'm not even gonna quote all that AOL ISP stuff for a reference because lets
face it, I darn near fell asleep reading it without seeing the words 'ohc,
v-10, diesel, or even Ford' mixed in there somewhere....

C.K.

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 12:36:25 EDT
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - ford deflector

In a message dated 99-04-21 10:42:38 EDT, you write:


go ask them if there illeterate. It says right on the FoMoCo. directions ,
like the first thing to remove rubber strip.

RS
9sec93cobra
99 F250SD PSD/SC/4x4


Date:99-04-21 10:42:38 EDT
From:abrahamc agcs.com (Charles Abraham)
Sender:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com
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To:97up-list ford-trucks.com

Same thing on my new truck.

Do these "prep guys" have instructions for each vehicle type as to what
to prep or check for?

After they installed a Ford bug deflector it was almost impossible to close
my hood - really took a hard slam. Upon inspection in my garage I found
the problem: they had left the original hood gasket in place and mounted on
top of it the Ford bug deflector which has its own gasket. The combined
thickness of all put the hood latch out of reach unless they were compressed
by a really hard slam. Fortunately, the hood latch is adjustable, so I
loosened
the two 5/16" bolts and moved it up until I got the latch to grab. The
correct
fix,
I believe, would have been to remove the original hood gasket to begin with.

You would think the "prep guys" would have know to do this.

The Ford splash guards were no different. The front guards have a bottom
mounting hole flange molded into the plastic, that is meant to attach to the
underside
of the rocker panel just in front of the cab step. It re-uses a plastic "xmas
tree"
type fastener already in place. Well, these were left un-attached. I had to
go
back and have the body shop guy attach them. And he commented to me that
he had just done the same for another truck. (I had him use new fasteners.)

Sorry to complain so much,

Charles.
>>

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 12:36:22 EDT
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Rubbing noise

In a message dated 99-04-21 09:31:15 EDT, you write:


i know mine were in the front springs too till the first oil change! Then
the Lube guy noticed them, and said you see these...pointing at the
springs...these are supposed to come off when it comes off the transport.
BTW that dealer sells alot of trucks. Been in business 50 some odd years.


RS
99 F250SD PSD/SC/4x4

Date:99-04-21 09:31:15 EDT
From:WSuarez netsilicon.com (Suarez, William)
Sender:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com
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To:97up-list ford-trucks.com ('97up-list ford-trucks.com')

George,

I don't know if this is your "problem" or not, but my truck was delivered
with the shipping spacers still in the front leaf springs. You wouldn't
think it could cause your problem but I had some strange sounds myself, that
lead me to finding the spacers, that all went away after I removed them.

You would think the word "discard" stamped on them might have given the
prep. guys a clue............then again.

Bill Suarez
>>

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 09:59:30 -0700
From: "Robert Benne"
Subject: FTE 97up - The Chime, the "Clunk" and other misc items

Thanks Jeff, for the advise regarding the key chime. I'll give it a try
this weekend.

Here's another interesting piece of information. There were many posts a
couple months ago regarding a loud "clunk" whenever you started an SD and
put it into gear (automatics), particularly on the 4x4 models.

I had the same problem and short of waiting for 5-6 seconds after starting
to put it in gear, I could not figure out why I was getting the sound.

I received a recall notice which installed a new GEM module (I had one of
the SD's which was held up from the factory forever in order to replace the
original GEM) so I was surprised Ford wanted to do it again. Took it in,
had the replacement done and what do you know - no "clunk."

If anyone is still having the problem and have not gotten the recall notice,
talk to the svc mgr at your local Ford store.

One more item. Anyone hearing rumors or know of V-10 failures at around
35-40000 miles due to some type of oil pressure failure? Strictly third
hand, but a friend was discussing the problem with a fleet manager for a
railroad and he states they have had a number of V-10 engine failures at
that mileage. Early symptoms are a fluctuating oil pressure gauge. Since
we know that the gauge is electronically buffered, I suspect the fluctuation
was an indication of a total loss of pressure going on intermittently.

Anyway, since most SD's are relatively new, I wondered if any other high
mileage users are/have seen the same problem? I was also told that Ford is
very much involved in looking at their problem for two reasons: the concern
over what is causing the failures and the size of the fleet.


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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 15:01:54 -0400
From: Jean Marc Chartier
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Ignition Key warning Chime

Marc Beauchemin wrote:
>
> Jeff,
>
> Nice trick! Does this diable the seat-belt chime too?
> I'm wondering all of the chimes use the same device.
>
> Actually, I'd like to disable only the seat-belt chime. I like the
> key & headlight buzzer but I always start her up then put
> on the belt while the belt chime goes nuts.
> Any thoughts?
>
> Marc
> 1998 F250LD 4x4 SC/SB 5.4l auto 3:73LS
>
> _______________________________________________
> Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 21:41:16 -0700
> From: "Jeff Schapker"
> Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Ignition Key warning Chime
>
> Remove the outside fuse panel cover with the four twist screws. Over on the
> ....
> Jeff
>
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Marc,

Reach under the seat and unplug the seat belt wire. That
is what I did on my F-150. The little light in the dash
still glows for the test but the chime doesn't ring anymore.

Regards

Jean Marc Chartier
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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 15:07:26 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 97up - ADMIN: AOL slams

The AOL slams need to stop. Roughly 30% of FTE's members use AOL so
you're stepping on a bunch of toes by slamming them. Let's keep it
on topic and friendly.

Ken Payne
FTE's "Den Mother"
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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 14:23:02 -0400
From: GEORGE CROLL
Subject: FTE 97up - The Chime, the "Clunk" and other misc items -Reply

On the V-10 oil failures. Did they happen in Vans equipped with V-10's or just trucks. the vans have been around
for about a year longer than the trucks and many are probably at higher mileage.
George Croll
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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 13:52:53 -0600
From: "Matus, Scott A"
Subject: FTE 97up - Ignition Key warning Chime

I have the wire diagram for the SuperDutys.
I can send the bitmap of the Schematic on Chime Warnings for you to review.

You can disable the seatbelt and door ajar warning sounds as well.
If anyone needs the wiring diagram sent to them directly e-mail me.

This should help all warning sound questions.

Scott.

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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 21:41:16 -0700
From: "Jeff Schapker"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Ignition Key warning Chime

Remove the outside fuse panel cover with the four twist screws. Over on the
right side you'll see two plugs one brown and one black. Unplug the brown
one, once unplugged you'll see a clip on the side of the plug itself, remove
it then carefully pull the black wire with the pink stripe out of the plug,
put the clip back on the plug and then plug it back in. It would be easier
to just reach in and cut the wire above the plug but remove it out of the
plug and if you want it back in you don't have to worry about splicing
anything. This should shut off the chime, it did on my truck.
Jeff



Nathan, where is the buzzer noise source located? Instead of de-soldering
the buzzer, maybe we could use the old trick of muffling the sound at the
source with foam, tape, etc.

Keith

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 19:39:00 -0400
From: Karen Wall / Steve Offiler
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Rev Limiter, true or false?

>: ... Regarding the speed
>:limiter, I am fairly sure the reason for its existance is the speed rating
>:of the tires. "S" rated tires (99mph) are the norm on light trucks these
>:days.
>:
>:Steve O.


>Hmmmmm. My Firestone dealer told me that the "S" rating means a
>112 mph rating. . . .


Dohhh... I hate it when I try unsuccessfully to get the facts right by
simply taking them off the top of my head. Please accept my sincere
apologies. I am sure you are correct, and S=112mph. Sorry.

So - please disregard the "S" etc. above. Focus on my original point,
which is that the speed limiter exists specifically because of the speed
rating of the tires. I don't doubt the earlier point someone else made
about the driveshaft balance comes into play as well.

Regards,
Steve O.
soffiler ici.net
North Scituate RI
'97 F-250HD (old style)

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 19:48:00 -0400
From: Karen Wall / Steve Offiler
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - transmission question

At 09:23 AM 4/20/99 -0700, you wrote:

>I have what i hope is not a stupid question. I have an 97 f150 4.2liter
>with 5 speed. and i have heard that when towing and you have a automatic
>transmission, it is good to inverst in a transmissin cooler, etc. I have
>the manual five speed and i tow a small 15 ft outboard and would like to
>know if there are any tricks in helping my transmission last a long time.
>
>thanks
>
>Maximo D. Rivera

Maximo: Not a stupid question. You are obviously paying attention and
thinking about the information you take in.... I fear there isn't enough of
this anymore.

Anyway: AUTOMATIC transmissions are incredibly tough on their fluid,
primarily due to the action of the torque converter, which in reality is a
complex hydraulic turbine. Frequently starting heavy loads from a dead
stop, such as while towing a trailer, can really beat on the auto-trans fluid.

Not so for manual transmissions. The clutch is the element of the
driveline that takes all the abuse, and it has nothing at all to do with
the lubricating fluid. You should be perfectly OK if you simply follow
Ford's recommendations for manual transmission fluid changes. If you
really want to buy some additional assurance, use some of the synthetic
fluids recommended by others.

Best regards,
Steve O.
soffiler ici.net
North Scituate, RI
'97 F-250 4x4 w/ E4OD auto, 351, 4.11's, factory trans cooler

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 17:06:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: Adry Gimenez
Subject: FTE 97up - Roof

Hey,,,,



Is it just me or are the Roofs on the Superduty Crew Cabs pretty cheeply made, and poorly constructed. On mine you can see alot of dents and and little fragments under the paint.....

Another Question, I didnt get no blanket or any other little accessory on my truck and it is fully loaded....I didnt get any sort of things like everybody else gets.
Thanks

becks2

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 16:13:38 -0800
From: Perry Klein
Subject: FTE 97up - SD Roof

I think that is just some sort of sealant under the paint. If you look
close it only runs down two of the grooves one on either side. That is if
yours is like mine. I'd imagine they are covering up fasteners with the
wrinkled stuff.

pk

>
> Is it just me or are the Roofs on the Superduty Crew Cabs pretty cheeply
>made, and poorly constructed. On mine you can see alot of dents and and
>little fragments under the paint.....


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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 21:45:29 EDT
From: FISHNG1 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up -was AXLE INFO WANTED..now Lift/Tires

My truck was built in november of 98 and has the 4 inch blocks. I will
install the lift only to the front and then I will decide which tire to put
on. I really did not want to spend the extra money on tires and new wheels
also.
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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:53:12 -0500
From: "Bud Feuless & Miki Magara"
Subject: FTE 97up - RE: transmission question

I agree that, with the light load you seem to describe, the need for an
auxiliary cooler may be questionable and that a good synthetic oil could be
just the ticket. Your best check, however, would be to have a transmission
temp gauge installed. If you find that your transmission temperature is
climbing above 175 F, you may be reducing your transmissions life
expectancy. In such a case, I would add the auxiliary cooler.

As an interesting note, I thought I would share something I found
recently... While Ford tends to provide highest tow ratings for its
automatics in its trucks, which most likely relates to the torque/stall
ratio of an automatic and its tendency to be able to increase shaft torque
from the engine, I was surprise the other day to find that D*dge seems to
offer its trucks with higher tow ratings in the standards. I guess they are
using HD transmissions and perhaps taller axle gearing, more like a big rig.
Anyone with insights on that?

Regards, Bud


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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:43:52 -0500
From: "Bud Feuless & Miki Magara"
Subject: FTE 97up - Y2K and Your Truck!

Guys & Gals;

I am project managing the technical Y2K efforts at a major U.S. financial
institution and have come across some interesting truck/car-related info
that I would like to share. I also then have a question for some of you who
have access to Ford "inside info"... .

A few months back, I watched a videotape of a Y2K symposium where they
actually rolled a late model Bronco II on-stage and supposedly rolled the
system clock forward (I've been skeptical too, read on...). They then
demonstrated that the truck would not start. They claimed that they then
took the truck to a dealer, who hooked up to the computer and got codes
indicating that the truck thought it had not left the factory floor and had
never passed appropriate inspections and that it had never had a tune-up,
thus shutting itself down. I thought this was all B.S. and, to some degree,
still do.

My primary issue with this was the concept of how one would even roll
forward the date (set the date at or past year 2000) on the "internal clock"
of a truck. I dismissed this test as bogus, but kept that nagging question
in the back of my mind. In the last few days I have become aware of a few
interesting things that have changed my viewpoint a bit on this topic.

First, I became aware of a manufacturer of a GPS (Global Positioning System,
a satellite-based system for determining latitude and longitude position,
which also conveys date/time data, which was put in place as part of the
U.S. Star Wars initiative and was first really applied in Desert Storm and
now is used in aviation, marine navigation extensively, and is now even
showing up in cars...) module which did not actually pick up the lat/lon
data but acted solely as an internal clock for a system. I also became
aware of a similar module which gets its time from the U.S. Atomic Clock.
From talking to the manufacturer, I found out that one of their biggest
direct markets is the auto manufacturing industry and that some
manufacturers interface these modules to the EEC, which then may apply
various logic based on date and/or time. As an interesting side note, I
also found out at a symposium yesterday that many telecommunications
switches use this same technology.

Now, here's the rub.. The U.S. Atomic Clock is known to be free of Y2K
problems in how it operates and so is the GPS system; however, there are two
issues related to the GPS system, one of which also applies to Atomic Clock
systems, that may be of concern. The first issue is that the GPS system
will enter Epoch II on August 22, 1999. This means that, the satellites,
which track dates based on a week offset of 0 to 1023 will "roll over" back
to 0 on that date. Many newer GPS receivers will handle this with no
problem. Old receivers, however, have been shown by their manufacturers to
have problems where they may loose the satellites and have to go through
re-acquisition. Some have been shown to fail in this regard, rendering them
effectively useless. Actually, these don't worry me as much. I would
expect the EEC to sense the failure and go on without the GPS signal (I
hope...). Others, however, may find the satellites, but may not properly
interpret the date and may suddenly report a date that is 1024 weeks in the
past. That could be a problem. The second issue is not with the GPS
receiver itself, but with how the EEC might use data from it. If the EEC
firmware uses coding that does not properly accommodate 4-digit years or at
least sense the year "00" is the 21st century, not the 20th, it will think
that it is operating at a time well before its actual manufacture. This
would also be a problem with units taking time from the U.S. Atomic Clock
(even though the clock would be correct, it's USE could be faulty and cause
problems). This is where my question comes in.

While I know that the GPS system will behave in the ways described above, I
do not know what to expect from EEC's or other components in a truck/car
that might process the date data from the GPS receiver. I also don't know
what vehicles might even contain or use this type of receiver. So, this
leads to my question...

Does anyone know more about what trucks/cars might actually incorporate
signal receivers for GPS, the Atomic Clock, or other time-sensing systems
and, if any, does anyone know what to expect from the various EEC's or other
modules that might process or rely on this date data in our trucks/cars?
Intuitively, I would expect this to be more of a problem in more modern....


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