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In this issue:

FTE 97up - Unsolicited Letters & Calls
Re: FTE 97up - letter from Ford -Reply
Re: FTE 97up - letter from Ford -Reply
Re: FTE 97up - Quick Question
Re: FTE 97up - Rev Limiter, true or false?
RE: FTE 97up - AXLE INFO WANTED.. -Reply
FTE 97up - transmission question
Re: FTE 97up - transmission question
Re: FTE 97up - letter from Ford -Reply
FTE 97up - Fw: PowerStroke horsepower rating
Re: FTE 97up - transmission question
FTE 97up - Lock>
Re: FTE 97up - Ignition Key warning Chime
FTE 97up - Lock>
FTE 97up - FREE throw rug/blanket
RE: FTE 97up - FREE throw rug/blanket
FTE 97up - prayers needed
Re: FTE 97up - letter from Ford -Reply
RE: FTE 97up - FREE throw rug/blanket
Re: FTE 97up - Ignition Key warning Chime
Re: FTE 97up - Lock>
Re: FTE 97up - prayers needed
Re: FTE 97up - Ignition Key warning Chime
RE: FTE 97up - Ignition Key warning Chime
Re: FTE 97up - AXLE INFO WANTED.. -Reply

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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:14:18 -0400
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: FTE 97up - Unsolicited Letters & Calls

My philosophy regarding all unsolicited letters and telephone calls is to
immediately trash (or hang-up) and disregard them. Anyone looking for a
service or product can find a bazillion advertisements, catalogs, web-pages,
etc. The key is that you are looking for them! When they are looking for
you (your money, actually) never (or should I say very rarely) will your
interests come first.

Keith


>Hunter -
>
>Sounds like you were a target of a direct mail promotion from your local
>dealer. That's my guess.
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Hunter
>To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>Date: Monday, April 19, 1999 4:37 PM
>Subject: FTE 97up - letter from Ford
>
>
>>Hi,
>>I just want to know if anyone received a letter from Ford lately about
>refinancing to a
>>newer truck with %.9 and they will take your old truck with NADA value
book
>+ %25 or
>>$4000 more.
>>At the first it said something about you are one of the lucky one in OHIO
>(yes I live
>>in Oh.) and this is a limited time offer which is only valid on April
29th.
>from 8 - 8.
>>Anyhow, I just want to know what my follow member thinks of this.
>>
>>
>>
>>===
>>Hunter
>>ICQ #6194679
>>F150-97, XLT, Toreador (dark red), 4X4 with the off road package, CD,
power
>everything except the seat, Flareside, Carbon headlight cover, Carbon grill
>cover, factory (bed liner, bug guard), 17" tire, 55 watt fog light, 100
watt
>backup light, Jeanseat custom seat cover, Tonnau cover and what they call
>factory nurf bar.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 05:32:41 -0700 (PDT)
From: Hunter
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - letter from Ford -Reply

I red the whole letter for the 5th time. I even let a couple of my friend take a loot
at it. No one could find anything that makes it not a good offer. I tried to call
Ford, but they still didn't return my phone call.
I talked to the dealer and he said he have to look at the letter. I told him that I'm
going to wait 'till the asking date. I'm hoping that I'll hear something from Ford
before I do something stupid.
I thought since they had me chosen from Ohio they've might choused somebody else from a
different state, but the way it looks I'm the only one.
I'll keep you guys posted.


Hunter

- --- Greg Gilmore wrote:
> There is usually a disclaimer that reads something like
>
> trade based upon NADA L_O_A_N value plus 20% or $4000 whichever is greater
> ect............. read the fine print!

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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:59:17 EDT
From: ATUMLAW aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - letter from Ford -Reply

In a message dated 4/20/99 8:34:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
f150_97 yahoo.com writes:


Ford, but they still didn't return my phone call.
I talked to the dealer and he said he have to look at the letter. I told
him that I'm
going to wait 'till the asking date. >>

If you can, scan the letter and email it to me. I'm sure others on the list
would like to see it too. Not that I need or want a new truck (mine is a 99
that I've already done quite a bit of work to), but just curious to see the
offer.

Thanks

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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:15:22 -0500
From: "Charles Abraham"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Quick Question

Jean Marc,

Haven't been back under since Sunday, but I held off coating the tag
because I thought it might be aluminum. The clear coat, however, is a good idea
either way, steel or aluminum.

Jean Marc Chartier wrote:

>
> While you are under there why not clear coat the tag. It
> should keep it from rusting and you can still read it.
>
> Regards
>
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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 13:38:18 GMT
From: alannorthstar mindspring.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Rev Limiter, true or false?

On Mon, 19 Apr 1999 20:26:54 -0400, you wrote:

:There has been plenty of interesting information on this subject so far.=
I
:believe that there are separate rev limiters and speed limiters built =
into
:the computer software. Personally, I wouldn't mess with the rev limiter
:much - valve float can be a nasty consequence. Regarding the speed
:limiter, I am fairly sure the reason for its existance is the speed =
rating
:of the tires. "S" rated tires (99mph) are the norm on light trucks =
these
:days.
:
:Steve O.

Hmmmmm. My Firestone dealer told me that the "S" rating means a
112 mph rating. . . .
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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:19:25 -0500
From: "Chris Patrick"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - AXLE INFO WANTED.. -Reply

>
> What vehicle are you looking to put these axle's in and what
> do you use it
> for?

jeep CJ-8, currently dana 44's front and rear, strong 360, 35x16" boggers,
turbo 400.

i use it for fun.

just got back from moab UT. where we went rock crawling for 8 days, adn i do
trail running around here, crawling, and MudBogging. its a univeral
vehicle, with rocks, mud, dunes, trails, etc all being done.

see my website at www.inlink.com/~cpatrick for pictures.. i just did a major
swap on it (body, frame, motor, tranny, etc..) so the first pix of this
thing in action in its current format are at the moab 99 trail report
clickable from the menu on the right.

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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:23:17 -0700
From: "Rivera, Max"
Subject: FTE 97up - transmission question

I have what i hope is not a stupid question. I have an 97 f150 4.2liter
with 5 speed. and i have heard that when towing and you have a automatic
transmission, it is good to inverst in a transmissin cooler, etc. I have
the manual five speed and i tow a small 15 ft outboard and would like to
know if there are any tricks in helping my transmission last a long time.

thanks

Maximo D. Rivera
*Email mailto:max.rivera compaq.com

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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 14:41:54 EDT
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - transmission question

In a message dated 99-04-20 12:27:33 EDT, you write:

You have stick i assume.

Just use a good quality synthetic Oil, Amsoil, Redline, Mobil. I am you
should be ok, thats not a lot of weight to be worrying about.


If not you still should be ok, although a Flexalite or B&m, TCI make nice
big auto trans coolers.

RS


Date:99-04-20 12:27:33 EDT
From:max.rivera compaq.com (Rivera, Max)
Sender:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com
Reply-to:97up-list ford-trucks.com
To:97up-list ford-trucks.com

I have what i hope is not a stupid question. I have an 97 f150 4.2liter
with 5 speed. and i have heard that when towing and you have a automatic
transmission, it is good to inverst in a transmissin cooler, etc. I have
the manual five speed and i tow a small 15 ft outboard and would like to
know if there are any tricks in helping my transmission last a long time.

thanks

Maximo D. Rivera
*Email mailto:max.rivera compaq.com
>>

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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 12:54:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: Hunter
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - letter from Ford -Reply

Hi Atilla,
I don't have a scanner, but my friend does. I'm going to see tomorrow if I could use
it. In the mean while, I will keep you updated if I get anything from Ford or the
dealer.
even if nothing happen, I'm still going to try and scan it. Just to keep follow
members posted.

Hunter.

>
> Ford, but they still didn't return my phone call.
> I talked to the dealer and he said he have to look at the letter. I told
> him that I'm
> going to wait 'till the asking date. >>
>
> If you can, scan the letter and email it to me. I'm sure others on the list
> would like to see it too. Not that I need or want a new truck (mine is a 99
> that I've already done quite a bit of work to), but just curious to see the
> offer.

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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 14:35:05 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: FTE 97up - Fw: PowerStroke horsepower rating

This is the responce I got from Ford, but I don't know as the earlier Power
Strokes were rated from Ford with the same number as what is on the Navistar
sticker.

Nathan

- ----- Original Message -----
To:
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 1999 1:42 PM
Subject: PowerStroke horsepower rating


E377

The Power Stroke diesel in a Super Duty is rated at 235 hp by
Ford. However the decal on the RH valve cover says 250 BHP 2700.
Why the discrepancy? -- Nathan Bernard, Union Auto, Inc. e-mail:
unionaut adiis.net

Nathan,

Navistar, the company that builds the 7.3L POWER STROKEr diesel V-8 to
Ford's exacting specifications, says that the engine has a 250
horsepower rating when it leaves the factory. This rating does not
include parasitic losses from driving the water pump, the alternator
and other equipment. As-installed in the Super Duty F-Series
vehicles, it has 235 horsepower (215 hp in Econoline).

Thanks for your question; keep them coming! Good Selling!



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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 13:53:56 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dan Gaudenti
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - transmission question

> I have what i hope is not a stupid question. I have an 97 f150 4.2liter
> with 5 speed. and i have heard that when towing and you have a automatic
> transmission, it is good to inverst in a transmissin cooler, etc. I have
> the manual five speed and i tow a small 15 ft outboard and would like to
> know if there are any tricks in helping my transmission last a long time.
>
> thanks
>
> Maximo D. Rivera

I don't think the 5-sp has any type of oil cooler and don't know if one
can be added. The best thing to do is use a synthetic oil, such as Red
Line MTL, and change it regularly. I switched to MTL quite a while ago
and notice that it does shift smoother and hopefully, being synthetic, it
will protect longer.

Danny

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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 16:15:49 -0500
From: "Charles Abraham"
Subject: FTE 97up - Lock>

I recall this question asked and answered before by all including Nathan.
But forgive me if I ask it once again. I drove home after taking delivery
to find my hubs in the lock position. Checking the ESOF switch, it was
set to 2 wheel drive. Now here's the question: was I actually driving in
four wheel drive? Or just spinning the hubs but not actually transferring
drive power to them? I read on the Ford Diesel site that with the hubs
manually in the "lock" position - no matter where the ESOP switch is set
to, you are in four wheel drive. Need clarification please. And yes I read
the manual but it's not too clear either.

Charles.

'99.5 F250SD, SC, SB, 4x4, PSD, Auto, 3.73LS, Lariat, Red, Shorty (2" rear
spacers)
Dealer installed Ford bug deflector/splash guards/bed liner.
Northern Illinois.


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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 16:36:45 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Ignition Key warning Chime

I've had the same complaint. The GEM module has a section that lists being
able to turn off buzzers individually, but unfortunately it doesn't work. I
called the hot line and they told me the only way to disconnect it is to
remove the GEM, open it and desolder the buzzer. Makes me miss the old just
unplug it style.

Nathan Bernard
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Benne
To:
Sent: Monday, April 19, 1999 3:43 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - Ignition Key warning Chime


> Okay, am I wrong or is the chime on the 99 SD one of the more obnoxious
ones
> around? Anyone know a simple way to disable/disconnect it?
>
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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 17:44:46 -0400
From: GEORGE CROLL
Subject: FTE 97up - Lock>

The transfer case is not shifted into 4 wheel drive so no power is transferred to the front driveshaft. It is just
freewheeling in the t-case.

The wheels are engaged to the axles. This causes the axles and the differential ring and pinion to spin as well as
the front dirveshaft. This does'nt cause any fornt axle binding problems on pavement in the short term as the
driveshaft is free to spin as noted before. If left this way in the long term it causes steering to be a little more stiff
and causes premature wear on the differential and t-case.

It is the same as locking the hubs on the manual version without shifting into 4 wheel drive in the cab.

I
George Croll
EPA-OAR-ARD
(202)564-0162
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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 18:27:13 -0400
From: RAY WRIGHT
Subject: FTE 97up - FREE throw rug/blanket

Anyone out there receive a free blanket with a letter thanking
you for your purchase of a new 1999 f-series truck,my brother in law
has purchased two new 99 superduties,and has received two blankets,I
have'nt received mine and I received my truck before he got his second
truck.Just wondering if anyone has received one.
Ray Wright
e-mail:tworites home.com
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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 16:02:47 -0700
From: "Bert Brehm"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - FREE throw rug/blanket

> Anyone out there receive a free blanket with a letter thanking
> you for your purchase of a new 1999 f-series truck.

Yep. Got one with my 1998 Lariat. Real purty, too. It's the F-150
50th Anniversary Commemorative with a picture of the 1948 truck on it.

- - Bert
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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 17:15:34 -0700
From: "Matt Adams"
Subject: FTE 97up - prayers needed

I know its off topic, and IM sure most of you have seen enough about it
already, but abouta mile from my house at Columbine HIgh School (I didn't go
there but Ihave friends who do, that I still havent heard from), there was a
shooting, over two-dozen injured, and up to 25 dead, both high school
students and teachers. Just pray for the families and students as well as
those that are injured.

Matt Adams

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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 19:29:50 EDT
From: ATUMLAW aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - letter from Ford -Reply

Cool. I'm a lawyer, I'll look at it and tell you what the deal is.

VTY

Atilla Babacan
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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 20:08:32 -0400
From: "William Suarez"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - FREE throw rug/blanket

Just received mine the other day. 1999 SD 250 Lariat.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com
> [mailto:owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Bert Brehm
> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 1999 7:03 PM
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: RE: FTE 97up - FREE throw rug/blanket
>
>
> > Anyone out there receive a free blanket with a letter thanking
> > you for your purchase of a new 1999 f-series truck.
>
> Yep. Got one with my 1998 Lariat. Real purty, too. It's the F-150
> 50th Anniversary Commemorative with a picture of the 1948 truck on it.
>
> - Bert
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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 20:11:32 -0400
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Ignition Key warning Chime

Nathan, where is the buzzer noise source located? Instead of de-soldering
the buzzer, maybe we could use the old trick of muffling the sound at the
source with foam, tape, etc.

Keith


- -----Original Message-----
From: Union Auto
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, April 20, 1999 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Ignition Key warning Chime


>I've had the same complaint. The GEM module has a section that lists being
>able to turn off buzzers individually, but unfortunately it doesn't work.
I
>called the hot line and they told me the only way to disconnect it is to
>remove the GEM, open it and desolder the buzzer. Makes me miss the old just
>unplug it style.
>
>Nathan Bernard
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Robert Benne
>To:
>Sent: Monday, April 19, 1999 3:43 PM
>Subject: FTE 97up - Ignition Key warning Chime
>
>
>> Okay, am I wrong or is the chime on the 99 SD one of the more obnoxious
>ones
>> around? Anyone know a simple way to disable/disconnect it?
>>
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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 20:15:15 -0400
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Lock>

Actually, if you do most of your driving in 2-wheel drive and rarely use
4-wheel drive, it is a good idea to occasionally lock the hubs and drive
around for a day so the front axles, "U"-joints, differential and bearing
have a chance to be freshly re-lubed and to minimize the (remote)
possibility of parts seizing from lack of use.

Keith


- -----Original Message-----
From: GEORGE CROLL
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, April 20, 1999 6:05 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - Lock>
again. -Reply


>The transfer case is not shifted into 4 wheel drive so no power is
transferred to the front driveshaft. It is just
>freewheeling in the t-case.
>
>The wheels are engaged to the axles. This causes the axles and the
differential ring and pinion to spin as well as
>the front dirveshaft. This does'nt cause any fornt axle binding problems
on pavement in the short term as the
>driveshaft is free to spin as noted before. If left this way in the long
term it causes steering to be a little more stiff
>and causes premature wear on the differential and t-case.
>
>It is the same as locking the hubs on the manual version without shifting
into 4 wheel drive in the cab.
>
>I
>George Croll
>EPA-OAR-ARD
>(202)564-0162
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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 20:16:57 -0400
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - prayers needed

Matt, it must be heartbreaking to be so close to such a tragic event. Our
thoughts and prayers go out.

Keith

- -----Original Message-----
From: Matt Adams
To: f150list mindspring.com
Cc: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, April 20, 1999 7:25 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - prayers needed


>I know its off topic, and IM sure most of you have seen enough about it
>already, but abouta mile from my house at Columbine HIgh School (I didn't
go
>there but Ihave friends who do, that I still havent heard from), there was
a
>shooting, over two-dozen injured, and up to 25 dead, both high school
>students and teachers. Just pray for the families and students as well as
>those that are injured.
>
>Matt Adams
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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 19:39:55 -0500
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Ignition Key warning Chime

Its the compter box (GEM) located under the dash, behind the fuse panel
area.

Nathan
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Keith Veren
To:
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 1999 7:11 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Ignition Key warning Chime


> Nathan, where is the buzzer noise source located? Instead of de-soldering
> the buzzer, maybe we could use the old trick of muffling the sound at the
> source with foam, tape, etc.
>
> Keith
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Union Auto
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Date: Tuesday, April 20, 1999 5:50 PM
> Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Ignition Key warning Chime
>
>
> >I've had the same complaint. The GEM module has a section that lists
being
> >able to turn off buzzers individually, but unfortunately it doesn't work.
> I
> >called the hot line and they told me the only way to disconnect it is to
> >remove the GEM, open it and desolder the buzzer. Makes me miss the old
just
> >unplug it style.
> >
> >Nathan Bernard
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Robert Benne
> >To:
> >Sent: Monday, April 19, 1999 3:43 PM
> >Subject: FTE 97up - Ignition Key warning Chime
> >
> >
> >> Okay, am I wrong or is the chime on the 99 SD one of the more obnoxious
> >ones
> >> around? Anyone know a simple way to disable/disconnect it?
> >>
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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 21:41:16 -0700
From: "Jeff Schapker"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Ignition Key warning Chime

Remove the outside fuse panel cover with the four twist screws. Over on the
right side you'll see two plugs one brown and one black. Unplug the brown
one, once unplugged you'll see a clip on the side of the plug itself, remove
it then carefully pull the black wire with the pink stripe out of the plug,
put the clip back on the plug and then plug it back in. It would be easier
to just reach in and cut the wire above the plug but remove it out of the
plug and if you want it back in you don't have to worry about splicing
anything. This should shut off the chime, it did on my truck.
Jeff



Nathan, where is the buzzer noise source located? Instead of de-soldering
the buzzer, maybe we could use the old trick of muffling the sound at the
source with foam, tape, etc.

Keith


- -----Original Message-----
From: Union Auto
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, April 20, 1999 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Ignition Key warning Chime


>I've had the same complaint. The GEM module has a section that lists being
>able to turn off buzzers individually, but unfortunately it doesn't work.
I
>called the hot line and they told me the only way to disconnect it is to
>remove the GEM, open it and desolder the buzzer. Makes me miss the old just
>unplug it style.
>
>Nathan Bernard
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Robert Benne
>To:
>Sent: Monday, April 19, 1999 3:43 PM
>Subject: FTE 97up - Ignition Key warning Chime
>
>
>> Okay, am I wrong or is the chime on the 99 SD one of the more obnoxious
>ones
>> around? Anyone know a simple way to disable/disconnect it?
>>
>>
>> == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html
>
>== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html

== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html

== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 03:47:50 EDT
From: FISHNG1 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - AXLE INFO WANTED.. -Reply

I have ordered the 2.5 inch leveling kit made by Tuff Country and plan to
install 285/75R-16 tires on my stock XLT wheels. I am just trying to level
my truck out and give it a little meaner look, but I not interested in the....

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