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In this issue:

FTE 97up - usenet
FTE 97up - '99 F-350 daytime running lights wiring
FTE 97up - Assembly of F350 4X4 CC PSD
FTE 97up - Re: F150
FTE 97up - SORRY
Re: FTE 97up - Re: F150
Re: FTE 97up - Re: F150
Re: FTE 97up - Super Duty Hubs
Re: FTE 97up - Assembly of F350 4X4 CC PSD
Re: FTE 97up - Super Duty Hubs
Re: FTE 97up - Splash Guards for Super Duty
Re: FTE 97up - Re: F150
Re: FTE 97up - Assembly of F350 4X4 CC PSD
FTE 97up - Chassis Cabs and Service Bodies
Re: FTE 97up - Super Duty Hubs
FTE 97up - Cold engine miss on Powerstroke
FTE 97up - Put a catalytic cracker (not a tiger) in your tank!

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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 07:46:28 -0500
From: Lee Haefele
Subject: FTE 97up - usenet

Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Exhaust for V10

While USNET _messages_ can (and often do) arrive at the server "out of
order" positioning a reply on top/above quoted text "brought forward" in
the new message will only enhance the speed of reviewing the newly
posted message by the largest population.

If users put the OLD TEXT first, then they may realize that they
included pages on pages of other unneeded material AND DELETE IT!
Lee Haefele
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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 08:12:27 -0500
From: Derek Bridgman
Subject: FTE 97up - '99 F-350 daytime running lights wiring

I have the Ford DRL module to add to my truck. The instructions that came
with it are generic. Has anyone added this module to his or her truck? If
so, can you send me the electrical splicing, which connectors, and mounting
location you used. Also, the workshop manual references the wiring
schematic (which is not available currently). If you have the wiring
manual, would you please fax (770 218-9393) the Wiring Diagrams Cell 97,
Daytime Running Lamps page(s). Thank you.
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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 15:41:07 -0600
From: DanBrotzman
Subject: FTE 97up - Assembly of F350 4X4 CC PSD

I have a 99 F350 4X4 CC PSD 6sp SRW long box on order and was checking =
Ford assembly plant products produced. As near as I can tell this truck =
will be assembled in Cuautitlan, Mexico. Does Ford assemble this type of =
truck at any other assembly plant. Does Ford rate the quality of each =
plant? It looks like the light duty stuff is assembled in several =
different plants.
Dan - Wisconsin


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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 05:42:17 PST
From: "Susan Ekstrom"
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: F150

Hello everyone!

I am new to this list and wanted to introduce myself. My name is Sue and
I plan on purchasing a 1999 Ford F150. I am trying to gather a lot of
information, but have some questions that I can't seem to find an answer
to. I was wondering if someone could help. I don't know what the
difference between the Supercab and Extended cab are. Does Ford also
provide caps for their trucks? If not, can someone give me the name of a
business that does. Also, does anyone have reputable dealers in the
Morris County, New Jersey area they would be willing to share?
Thank you very much for anyone's help!!

Sue

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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 07:47:15 -0600
From: dodge_ram1500_4x4 juno.com (Joe E Thomson)
Subject: FTE 97up - SORRY

Dear Everyone, I am sorry for my overposting, and posting of off topics.
I hope you forgive me.

Joe T.
ICQ # 25096796
AIM NAME- JThomson54

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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 07:56:30 -0600
From: dodge_ram1500_4x4 juno.com (Joe E Thomson)
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: F150

>I don't know what the difference between the Supercab and Extended cab
are.

The SuperCab is an Extended cab, its just Ford's name for an extended
cab.

>Does Ford also provide caps for their trucks?

Ford doesn't provide caps for their trucks, you will have to buy
aftermarket.

>If not, can someone give me the name of a business that does.

A.R.E.-www.4are.com
Astro Cap Manufaturing-www.astro-cap.com
Snug Top-www.snugtop.com

You should go to www.f150 online. com
They have tons of info on the F-150.

Joe T.
ICQ # 25096796
AIM NAME- JThomson54

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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 09:13:42 -0500
From: Jean Marc Chartier
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: F150

Susan Ekstrom wrote:
>
> Hello everyone!
>
> I am new to this list and wanted to introduce myself. My name is Sue and
> I plan on purchasing a 1999 Ford F150. I am trying to gather a lot of
> information, but have some questions that I can't seem to find an answer
> to. I was wondering if someone could help. I don't know what the
> difference between the Supercab and Extended cab are. Does Ford also
> provide caps for their trucks? If not, can someone give me the name of a
> business that does. Also, does anyone have reputable dealers in the
> Morris County, New Jersey area they would be willing to share?
> Thank you very much for anyone's help!!
>
> Sue
>
Sue,

The words SuperCab and Extended Cab are the same thing.
Ford calls it SuperCab. It is some times abbreviated as
SC. Ford doesn't offer a factory cap as an option. I
looked at ARE and Leer brand caps as they were available in
my area. The web site for ARE is http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.4are.com I do
not have the site for Leer.

Regards

Jean Marc Chartier
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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 08:59:27 -0800
From: Gene Ball
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Super Duty Hubs

I got my SD F250,4x4, crewcab,shortbed lareit on Monday!!!
I have the same Shift on the fly with, the same hubs too!
And like yourself I am confussed too?
Hey did you order your truck,if so how long did it take you to get it?
Gene

Joseph Veres wrote:

> Hey Nathan - or anyone else that can help. I just received my new F-250
> SD SC PSD two days ago. Everything is great so far, but I'm a bit
> confused regarding the hubs.
>
> I ordered the "Electronic Shift On the Fly". I'm used to the ol' "lock"
> or "free," with the lever on the floor. This new truck's hubs are
> "lock" and "automatic." I'm not sure what the "automatic" means. I'm
> sure it doesn't mean automatic 4WD like the Explorers -
>
> I phoned one of the Dealer service managers and asked, but he only
> confused me more. It didn't seem like he was sure of what he was
> talking about either!
>
> I think I'm getting a partial picture of how it all works, but I need to
> ask someone here who knows. I think that for winters here in Alaska,
> I'll keep it on "lock" and use 4WD as necessary, as I have always done.
> In the summer, I'll put it on "automatic." This apparently disengages
> the hubs as "free" did, which improves mileage, lessens wear, etc.
>
> The service manager also said that to fully disengage the hubs when you
> put it in "automatic," you need to back up the vehicle about 20 feet
> before it's "a done deal ".
>
> Now I think that "automatic" means that I can still use my in-cab switch
> to engage 4WD, as it engages the hubs automatically, and then goes into
> 4WD. But the service manager stated not to do any switching over about
> 20 mph like you can in "lock" (Shift On the Fly).
>
> The service manager also said that the switchover when in "automatic"
> into 4WD takes about 30 seconds to occur, and when switching over in
> "lock," it takes about 5 seconds.
>
> Am I close here - can anyone help me out? There is very little
> information regarding all this in the owner's guide.
>
> Thanx in advance.
>
>
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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 09:20:23 -0800
From: Gene Ball
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Assembly of F350 4X4 CC PSD

Dan I just got my SD F250. It was made in Kentucky!
I also work for Ford Mo Co. At the Chicago Assembly Plant, we make the ford taurus
and mercury sable. They build the same two cars in Atlanta Ga.
And we are constantly trying to out perform each other!
I believe a car is only built as good as in house management!!!!!!
Gene

DanBrotzman wrote:

> I have a 99 F350 4X4 CC PSD 6sp SRW long box on order and was checking Ford assembly plant products produced. As near as I can tell this truck will be assembled in Cuautitlan, Mexico. Does Ford assemble this type of truck at any other assembly plant. Does Ford rate the quality of each plant? It looks like the light duty stuff is assembled in several different plants.
> Dan - Wisconsin
>
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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 09:15:54 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Super Duty Hubs

The Super Duty has two 4x4 systems. The first is the old manual lever with
manual hubs. This you lock the hubs by turning them manually. The second
is the Shift on the Fly. It has selectable hubs on the front. In the lock
position it is like the old fashioned hubs, in 4x2 or 4x4 the front end is
turning. This feature isn't really necessary, its more of a manual override
incase the hubs were to go out. About the only time I'd recommend using
this is if it gets extremely cold (-10 or worse). In the automatic setting
the hubs will lock when you turn the know to 4x4. When you turn it back to
4x2 they will unlock. There is no need to back up to unlock them (the old
body style F-series auto hubs you did). One other thing to remember is that
to go into low range, you have to be in neutral (park won't work), be
stopped, and have your foot on the brake. This is also true to go back out
of low range.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.


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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 08:22:07 -0800
From: "Matt Bailey"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Splash Guards for Super Duty

Thanks so much. I am going to try to locate some today. Have a great new
year :)

Mattb

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From: Neil or Debbie Plocek
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, December 30, 1998 10:59 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Splash Guards for Super Duty


>The part #s for the super duty splash guards are: F81Z16A55OAA and
>F81Z16A550BA
>
>Retail price is 34.50 a pair, but if your dealer is treating you right you
>should be able to pick them up for 20 bucks a set.
>
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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 10:52:19 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: F150

Ford calls its cab-and-a-half trucks Supercabs, All full size are four
Door, (four door optional on Ranger)
Chevy calls theirs Extended cab, Dodge calls their two doors Club cabs, and
their four doors Quad Cabs. Ford and Chevy also build Crew Cabs that have a
Full size back seat.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.
Union, IA 50258

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From: Susan Ekstrom
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Thursday, December 31, 1998 7:54 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: F150


>Hello everyone!
>
>I am new to this list and wanted to introduce myself. My name is Sue and
>I plan on purchasing a 1999 Ford F150. I am trying to gather a lot of
>information, but have some questions that I can't seem to find an answer
>to. I was wondering if someone could help. I don't know what the
>difference between the Supercab and Extended cab are. Does Ford also
>provide caps for their trucks? If not, can someone give me the name of a
>business that does. Also, does anyone have reputable dealers in the
>Morris County, New Jersey area they would be willing to share?
>Thank you very much for anyone's help!!
>
>Sue


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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 10:47:34 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Assembly of F350 4X4 CC PSD

I think it should be assembled in Kentucky. Some Chassis cabs are being
made in Mexico, but I haven't heard that they'd be assembling pickups there.
The easiest way to tell is to look at your VIN, if it starts with a 1 its
made in USA, a 3 is Mexico.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.
Ford-Mercury

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From: DanBrotzman
To: '97up-list-digest ford-trucks.com'
Date: Thursday, December 31, 1998 7:31 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - Assembly of F350 4X4 CC PSD


I have a 99 F350 4X4 CC PSD 6sp SRW long box on order and was checking Ford
assembly plant products produced. As near as I can tell this truck will be
assembled in Cuautitlan, Mexico. Does Ford assemble this type of truck at
any other assembly plant. Does Ford rate the quality of each plant? It looks
like the light duty stuff is assembled in several different plants.
Dan - Wisconsin



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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 11:04:26 -0600
From: Mark Usnick
Subject: FTE 97up - Chassis Cabs and Service Bodies

RE: 1000lb differenece between trailer weight and payload
of F350 pickups and chassis cabs: I think that the difference
is the fact that Ford assumes you will put a heavy body on
your chassis cab, so their payload, etc reflect this.
Compared to a well built flatbed or service body, the relatively
thin-walled bed of a pickup is pretty light.

I think that I noticed a little asterisk which was detailed
at the bottom of one of the pages of their brochure explained
something about this.

I'm actually in the same place as you - deciding between a new
F350 pickup vs chassis cab. There are several small things
about the chassis cab that I like better, but the one, IMO
big disadvantage of the chassis cab is that there is no
room for a spare tire - I don't want to have to carry this
on the flatbed. This has me leaning towards the pickup.
In either case, it'll be a heckuva truck!

Mark
'96 Ford F350 4x4

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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 09:43:28 -0800
From: Ken Peterson
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Super Duty Hubs

>I phoned one of the Dealer service managers and asked, but he only
>confused me more. It didn't seem like he was sure of what he was
>talking about either!

GRR-r-r! I hear this and wonder, What do these dealerships do for their
customers to earn their profit? Some, obviously, as little as possible!

My bottom line is: Ford hides behind its dealers: no way can you get
answers from Ford, so . . .

If someone st your dealership doesn't know the answer, ask for someone who
does. If you have exhausted that option, and the service manager doesn't
know the answer, tell him to "Please find out and get back to me. When may
I expect to hear from you."

At Damerow in Beaverton, OR, who sold me my F250, the Service God there is
very savvy, but he will offer to get answers via his Ford contact if he
doesn't know them. I can't imagine this is unique to Damerow.

I do not accept a "sell 'em, then drop 'em" attitude from any dealer. And I
suppose you can try visiting a classier dealership for answers, being very
diplomatic, of course. Hell, they're still being paid when they talk to
you, fer chrissake! I've gotten very useful answers from a nearby
dealership (Landmark, Tigard, OR) even though I didn't buy the truck from
them. They are also more responsive for service.

If Ford sets it up this way, then use the Ford dealerships for their
intended purpose, and *insist* on it.
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Ken Peterson, Portland, OR
1998 F-250LD Lariat, extended cab, short bed, 4X2, 5.4l, class-3 tow options
LT245X16/steel rims, 4W disks + ABS, load-leveling rear suspension.
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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 98 17:49:31 -0800
From: ljslls
Subject: FTE 97up - Cold engine miss on Powerstroke

I have had SuperDuty Powerstroke for about 3 weeks now. It is a great
truck. Very smooth and handles very well. However. there is one glitch.
While warming up and in drive their is a definite missing when going
straight and level or when accelerating slightly. This goes away after
about 10 minutes and when fully warmed up then everything runs very
smoothly. Has anyone any information or experience related to this
problem? I would appreciate hearing from you about a fix.

Thank you.

Lance S. (Selah, WA)
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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 22:56:28 -0600
From: "Bud Feuless & Miki Magara"
Subject: FTE 97up - Put a catalytic cracker (not a tiger) in your tank!

The following is text of a response to a question on alt.autos.ford that I
posted and I though you folks might also find it interesting... . Just one
more note on a product that is well established in the industry but
generally unknown in the passenger automobile marketplace. This post is an
explanation of what I had meant when I had noted in an earlier post that one
of the easiest ways to get improved mileage and performance from a diesel,
would be to add a catalytic cracker to the fuel system. Todd E. (I think)
had responded asking what this was...

A catalytic cracker for your fuel system is very similar to those used in
the petrochemical industry to refine petroleum-based fuels. Essentially,
the catalyst acts to weaken or disassociate bonds in more complex petroleum
distillates present in most fuels; thus, the name. By breaking or weakening
the longer chains of impurities or more complex petrochemicals, the cracker
creates a fuel that contains generally simpler organic molecules with
smaller carbon chains and also with less resistance to further breakdown and
bonding with oxygen (burning). As such, the resultant fuel can be combusted
more easily and completely and will release a greater percentage of its
stored potential energy during combustion. This is best observed by noting
higher cetane and BTU ratings of the resultant fuel.

The Fitch unit has been made for some time for marine applications and sizes
are made for almost any fuel flow rate from tiny outboards to huge inboards.
They work on gas or diesel and can be placed in-line after the tank(s) or
can actually be simply dropped in that tank (they last 5000 hours, which
would be 300,000 miles to us passenger auto types). Since crackers like the
Fitch do not actually dissolve anything into the fuel at all, under 40 CFR
85.2114, a "dealer may not deny warranty coverage for a vehicle based on the
presence of the fuel catalyst."

While these units can/have been used for gas engines, I am most familiar
with their use in diesel applications. Note one drawback, fuel additives
and catalytic crackers may not get along very well. It's always best to
double-check with the manufacturer before putting any additive in the fuel,
as it may inhibit action of the catalyst, damage it, or even cause it to
dissolve. I am unsure also, how one of these units might respond to
oxygenated gas, as the MTBE and/or ETBE just might cause some corrosion
(again, not sure).

I am not sure of other manufacturers, as my experience is more marine than
automotive, but you can still get much more information or purchase the unit
through:

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.wayfarermarine.com/fitch.html

This is just one more product commonly used by operators of large and long....

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