97up-list-digest Thursday, December 31 1998 Volume 01 : Number 326



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In this issue:

FTE 97up - Need some engine dimensionsfor the 5.4 and pics of engine mounts.
Re: FTE 97up - Re: Exhaust for V10
Re: FTE 97up - Splash Guards for Super Duty
Re: FTE 97up - Re: Exhaust for V10
FTE 97up - Factory Tonneau
Re: FTE 97up - Re: Exhaust for V10
Re: FTE 97up - Posting of reply (was Re: Exhaust for V10)
FTE 97up - Chevrolet Tahoe Mailing List
[none]
Re: FTE 97up - Chevrolet Tahoe Mailing List
FTE 97up - Re:
FTE 97up - ADMIN: List policy
Re: FTE 97up - ADMIN: List policy
FTE 97up - Re:
FTE 97up - Trailer sway
FTE 97up - Super Duty Hubs
Re: FTE 97up - Splash Guards for Super Duty
Re: FTE 97up - Splash Guards for Super Duty

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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 07:46:36 PST
From: "Bryan Snyder"
Subject: FTE 97up - Need some engine dimensionsfor the 5.4 and pics of engine mounts.

Hey guys how are ya?! I was wondering if some of you could do me a big
favor. I need the engine measurements for the 5.4, height, width, depth
etc, also I really need some pics of the engine mounts the engine uses.
I am planning a custom project if I can plan out the bugs.

Thanks,
Scott

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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 11:20:27 -0500
From: Scot Evanson
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Exhaust for V10

Thread integrity is quite often lost without the repost. To aid in
faster review by participants, new comments should be added to the FRONT
of the reply message vs. the end.

The intended exchange is _not_ for the exclusive benefit of the two
parties first involved, hence the needed "history" for those just
joining in. This is the accepted practice for all (?) newsgroups.
Paring messages to the pertinent points is also permitted.

SAE




Bud Feuless & Miki Magara wrote:
>
>
>
> These Batman-esque sound effects are simply what comes into my mind every
> time I see another post on this topic that includes 10,000,000 miles of
> reposted glop behind it. My ISP may start rejecting e-mail of the digest
> version of 97-Up if it gets much bigger...! (kidding).
>
> Maybe I'm disadvantaged in that I am using the dreaded MS product, but I
> seem to have the option to NOT include the preceding text in my posts.
> Perhaps those of you with superior skills, intellects and moral fiber often
> ascribed to users of the NS product might have the same ability too? WELL
> MAYBE YOU MIGHT WANT TO USE THAT FEATURE... AHHH... AHHHHH-HHH-HH! (My
> tribute to the late, great Sam Kinneson (please forgive any mis-spelling)).
>
> All in good fun and humor, but it sure would be nice to cut down on the
> reposts.
>
> Thanx! - Bud
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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 11:42:25 EST
From: JPatte5238 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Splash Guards for Super Duty

Matt,
I have purchased new Mud Flaps for my F250 Superduty from the dealership.
They are about 10 bucks a piece and they come with all of the hardware. I
installed them myself within an hours time. The fit is perfect and like you
questioned, the mud flaps come with brackets. Make sure you specify 4X4 or
2wd, it make a difference. Oh yea,,, NO DRILLING INTO SHEET METAL.....Ford
makes a plastic tabs that fits inside of the predrilled holes that come from
the factory. This is what you screw into.

John Patterson
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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 10:05:34 -0800
From: zombie
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Exhaust for V10

At 11:20 AM 12/30/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Thread integrity is quite often lost without the repost. To aid in
>faster review by participants, new comments should be added to the FRONT
>of the reply message vs. the end.
>
>The intended exchange is _not_ for the exclusive benefit of the two
>parties first involved, hence the needed "history" for those just
>joining in. This is the accepted practice for all (?) newsgroups.
>Paring messages to the pertinent points is also permitted.

Almost. The accepted practice in USENET news groups is to pair down the
included test to the pertinent points, as you say. But the new comments
should be added BELOW each point. This is because USENET messages can
arrive to the news servers out of order, so you need to be able to read the
pertinent points before you read the reply.






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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 13:33:53 -0500
From: "signa"
Subject: FTE 97up - Factory Tonneau

Is Ford's Tonneau cover available as a separate item from the dealer? I'd
didn't order one for my 99 F150 SC Lariat Flareside 4x4 because it was
on-hold at the time, but I'd really like to get the original equipment cover
instead of aftermarket. You have to replace the bedrail caps for the OEM
cover?

Thanks!

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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 13:55:26 -0500
From: Scot Evanson
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Exhaust for V10

While USNET _messages_ can (and often do) arrive at the server "out of
order" positioning a reply on top/above quoted text "brought forward" in
the new message will only enhance the speed of reviewing the newly
posted message by the largest population.

To one just joining the thread, more information can be found "below".
To those following the thread (almost all of those involved) there is no
need to scroll to the bottom of _every_ window to find the new response.

Isn't this (speed) the reason for your initial comment on the length of
messages?

SAE

The accepted practice in USENET news groups is to pair down the
> included test to the pertinent points, as you say. But the new comments
> should be added BELOW each point. This is because USENET messages can
> arrive to the news servers out of order, so you need to be able to read the
> pertinent points before you read the reply.
>
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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 14:04:54 -0500
From: Jean Marc Chartier
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Posting of reply (was Re: Exhaust for V10)

Scot Evanson wrote:
>
> While USNET _messages_ can (and often do) arrive at the server "out of
> order" positioning a reply on top/above quoted text "brought forward" in
> the new message will only enhance the speed of reviewing the newly
> posted message by the largest population.
>
> To one just joining the thread, more information can be found "below".
> To those following the thread (almost all of those involved) there is no
> need to scroll to the bottom of _every_ window to find the new response.
>
> Isn't this (speed) the reason for your initial comment on the length of
> messages?
>
> SAE
>
> The accepted practice in USENET news groups is to pair down the
> > included test to the pertinent points, as you say. But the new comments
> > should be added BELOW each point. This is because USENET messages can
> > arrive to the news servers out of order, so you need to be able to read the
> > pertinent points before you read the reply.
> >
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> > Erik Veit **** zombie best.com **** http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.best.com/~zombie
> >

I prefer the reply be posted on the bottom of the page as I
normally read from the top of the page to the bottom. I
receive many e-mails a day and the subject as you may note
above can be deceiving. Reading the original post helps
refresh my memory of what was said.

Kindest regards

Jean Marc Chartier
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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 14:05:24 -0600
From: dodge_ram1500_4x4 juno.com (Joe Thomson)
Subject: FTE 97up - Chevrolet Tahoe Mailing List

Does anyone know of a mailing list for the Chevrolet Tahoe??

Joe T.
ICQ # 25096796
AIM NAME- JThomson54

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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 14:22:12 -0600
From: dodge_ram1500_4x4 juno.com (Joe Thomson)
Subject: [none]

Everybody go here, and type in some reason why GM should keep producing
the F-Body (Camaro-Firebird). Don't let GM kill it!!

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.camaroz28.com/savefbody/
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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 15:30:39 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Chevrolet Tahoe Mailing List

At 02:05 PM 12/30/98 -0600, you wrote:
>Does anyone know of a mailing list for the Chevrolet Tahoe??
>
>Joe T.
>ICQ # 25096796
>AIM NAME- JThomson54
>

Why not use a search engine or one of the mailing list guides?
Several can be found at:

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.cnet.com/Content/Features/Howto/Mailing/ss04.html

This is a Ford mailing list and overtly off-topic posts are
discouraged.

Ken Payne
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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 15:31:29 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 97up - Re:

At 02:22 PM 12/30/98 -0600, you wrote:
>Everybody go here, and type in some reason why GM should keep producing
>the F-Body (Camaro-Firebird). Don't let GM kill it!!
>
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.camaroz28.com/savefbody/

Last warning. No overtly off-topic posts.

Ken Payne
Admin
PS - Kill the Camaro and Nuke GM.
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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 16:35:12 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 97up - ADMIN: List policy

Several things need to be addressed:

1. Lately there have been many posts in which people
have taken it upon themselves to be list vigilantes.
Complaints and comments about the posting practices
of others should be sent to the list admin
(herbie ford-trucks.com for small chassis, 97up
and performance lists and kpayne ford-trucks.com for
all others). Let the admins handle the policing of
policy, especially if you aren't sure what our
policy is. Such complaints cause just as much list
noise (if not more) than the issue being complained
about.

2. Read the FAQ before posting for the first time.
The subscription introduction email asks that new
members read the FAQ and gives the web address for
the FAQ. One of the issues addressed is off-topic
posts.

3. For the record: we don't require you to remove
quoted text in replies. Standard practice on most
mailing lists is to include a quote. Remember that
just because you may receive the digest version of
the list, others may not and do not have the same
continuity of topics. Quoting is very helpful to
non-digest members. However, please leave in only
quoted text that is relavent to your reply. A good
example of excessive quoting is sending a 2 line
reply with a 15 line quote.

4. Please limit the size of email signatures. This
problem is compounded when your email service (Yahoo,
Hotmail, etc) appends its signature below yours.

Ken Payne
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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 17:10:36 EST
From: ApacheDan aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - ADMIN: List policy

Thank you.
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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 17:54:17 -0800
From: "Matt Adams"
Subject: FTE 97up - Re:

Joe

Not to be offensive here, but this is the FORT TRUCKS LIST, not GM list...
please stop asking a) about GM products b) if we know of about a million
different mailing lists and c)TELLING us where to go to vote for things you
want us to!

Matt
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Date: Wednesday, December 30, 1998 12:25 PM


>Everybody go here, and type in some reason why GM should keep producing
>the F-Body (Camaro-Firebird). Don't let GM kill it!!
>
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.camaroz28.com/savefbody/
>___________________________________________________________________
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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 22:12:53 -0500
From: paul naas
Subject: FTE 97up - Trailer sway

Glenn,
First of all I should have proof read my last post. It should have said
that the trailer rear cannot weigh more than the front.
My 97 F-150 is the basic XLT with 4.6 engine, 2 wheel drive w/355
limited slip rear end and four wheel anti lock brakes.
It is adequate for pulling my 4500# (dry) 5500# (wet) travel trailer but
there's not a lot of reserve power left. My previous vehicle was a 92
E-150 Club Wagon with a 351 (5.8) and it had all the power I ever
needed. I miss the ease of pulling with the 351 but 13-14 mpg (not
towing) verses 18-19 with the 4.6 makes it a little easier to bare. I
just don't drag the camper around enough to justify the larger engine.
Paul

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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 20:34:13 -0900 (AKST)
From: akmomndad webtv.net (Joseph Veres)
Subject: FTE 97up - Super Duty Hubs

Hey Nathan - or anyone else that can help. I just received my new F-250
SD SC PSD two days ago. Everything is great so far, but I'm a bit
confused regarding the hubs.

I ordered the "Electronic Shift On the Fly". I'm used to the ol' "lock"
or "free," with the lever on the floor. This new truck's hubs are
"lock" and "automatic." I'm not sure what the "automatic" means. I'm
sure it doesn't mean automatic 4WD like the Explorers -

I phoned one of the Dealer service managers and asked, but he only
confused me more. It didn't seem like he was sure of what he was
talking about either!

I think I'm getting a partial picture of how it all works, but I need to
ask someone here who knows. I think that for winters here in Alaska,
I'll keep it on "lock" and use 4WD as necessary, as I have always done.
In the summer, I'll put it on "automatic." This apparently disengages
the hubs as "free" did, which improves mileage, lessens wear, etc.

The service manager also said that to fully disengage the hubs when you
put it in "automatic," you need to back up the vehicle about 20 feet
before it's "a done deal ".

Now I think that "automatic" means that I can still use my in-cab switch
to engage 4WD, as it engages the hubs automatically, and then goes into
4WD. But the service manager stated not to do any switching over about
20 mph like you can in "lock" (Shift On the Fly).

The service manager also said that the switchover when in "automatic"
into 4WD takes about 30 seconds to occur, and when switching over in
"lock," it takes about 5 seconds.

Am I close here - can anyone help me out? There is very little
information regarding all this in the owner's guide.

Thanx in advance.


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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 22:45:14 -0800
From: "Matt Bailey"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Splash Guards for Super Duty

This sounds great. I would really appreciate it if you could give me the
part number. The dealer that I called here in Portland, Or area said $60 a
pair $120 total.
Thanks a bunch,
Mattb



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From: Neil or Debbie Plocek
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, December 29, 1998 11:07 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Splash Guards for Super Duty


>I had my dealer order the molded splash guards for the front and rear.
the
>off brands don't do the job) They look very nice, and are very simple to
>install. I used a little better means of securing them to the vehicle than
>the instructions called for. The OEM mount seemed a little feeble.
>
>I was able to get these at dealer cost...around 40$ total for both sets.
>Retail is around 75$. If you need the part no# for the splash guards,
>e-mail me back and I will got them from my invoice.
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