97up-list-digest Wednesday, December 30 1998 Volume 01 : Number 325



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 97up - 99 PowerStroke Question
Re: FTE 97up - F450/550 prices
FTE 97up - Chassis Cabs and Service Bodies
Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10
Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10
FTE 97up - Re: #324 - Trailer towing
Re: FTE 97up - CD Hot
FTE 97up - Trailer sway
FTE 97up - ADMIN: Thanks Again!
Re: FTE 97up - Trailer sway
Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10
FTE 97up - Chevrolet Silverado
FTE 97up - Ford Excurshion
FTE 97up - Auto 4x4
FTE 97up - Super Duty Mailing List
FTE 97up - Chevrolet Silverado/GMC Sierra
Re: FTE 97up - Chevrolet Silverado
[none]
Re: FTE 97up - Ford Excurshion
FTE 97up - Himalaya Expedition
Re: FTE 97up - F450/550 prices
Re: FTE 97up - Ford Excurshion
Re: FTE 97up - Chevrolet Silverado/GMC Sierra
Re: FTE 97up - Himalaya Expedition
Re: FTE 97up - CD Hot
FTE 97up - Fw: I found this at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http:// poseur.4x4.org
FTE 97up - Fw: I found this at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http:// poseur.4x4.org
RE: FTE 97up - 99 PowerStroke Question
FTE 97up - Ford Explorer Mailing List
FTE 97up - Auto 4x4
FTE 97up - 1999 F-150 XLT
Re: FTE 97up - Ford Explorer Mailing List
FTE 97up - Splash Guards for Super Duty
FTE 97up - Re: Exhaust for V10
FTE 97up - Re: Trailer Towing
Re: FTE 97up - Splash Guards for Super Duty

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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 07:09:21 EST
From: John941 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 99 PowerStroke Question

19-21 mpg not towing in Florida doing 70+ mph. 13.5 towing 9,000 lbs 65 mph
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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 07:10:14 EST
From: John941 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - F450/550 prices

For after market-can't beat Line x
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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 05:08:41 -0800
From: Mike Seltzer
Subject: FTE 97up - Chassis Cabs and Service Bodies

I'm considering the F350 duallys with PSD to tow a fifth-wheel RV
trailer, both the pickup and the chassis cab. I'm looking at the 44-page
1999 F-series full color brochure. It lists the Maximum Loaded Trailer
Weights (page 43) but shows that the pickup has almost 1,000 lbs more
allowed weight than the chassis cab. Since the GVWR/Max. payloads are
greater for the chassis cab (pages 41 and 42), this seems to be an
inconsistency. Can anybody explain it?

I'm thinking of using a chassis cab instead of the pickup box in order
to put on a service body for more storage. Looking at service bodies on
the road, I see many brands but when I look in the Yellow Pages (I live
in the San Francisco Bay area) under Truck Bodies, I find only two
dealers, both carrying the same brand. I got a brochure from one of the
dealers and it appears that their Ultra-Low Profile service body is low
enough to work with a fifth wheel trailer. Their higher profile service
bodies definitely will not. Has anybody had experience with this
configuration (service body on tow vehicle, towing a 5th wheel RV
trailer)? Does it work? Are you pleased with it?

With so many brands of service bodies on the road, where did they find
them? Which brands are better or are they all pretty much equivalent
(both quality and price)? Any insights on this would be appreciated.
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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 05:07:40 -0800 (PST)
From: Neal Moon
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10

if you don't mind travelin try another state. i live in austin and
ordered my truck in missouri. i ordered it on 11/23 and delivery will
be 2/2/99. i saw numerous v10 in the kansas city area.

- -Neal 99 F250 CC 4x4 PSD XLT




I would give my business to another dealer but
> >>> there is not a single v-10 in the D/FW area! In fact I havent even
> >>> driven one yet. I am not sure what I am going to do. If you
hear of
> >>> anything please let me know as I will do the same for you.

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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 10:50:30 -0500
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10

I have the Automatic transmission, sorry I forgot to mention that!

Keith


- -----Original Message-----
From: Todd E. Schreiber
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, December 28, 1998 8:01 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10


>What about the transmission, everyone I've run into with the same symptoms,
also
>has the manual transmission.
>
>Keith Veren wrote:
>
>> No "Harmonic Vibrations" here, and I have taken it to about 4950 RPMs.
>> V-10, F-350, 4X4, SRW, XLT, LongBed, SuperCab, Plow-Package, all the
other
>> Goodies.
>>
>> Keith
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Brandt Dennehy
>> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>> Date: Monday, December 28, 1998 5:04 PM
>> Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10
>>
>> >Todd,
>> >
>> >I have a 99 Superduty V-10 Manual and I notice the exact same vibration
at
>> >about 2250 rpm....hasn't caused me any problems yet.....let me know if
you
>> >ever hear of any adjustments, etc...because of this vibration. It is
>> >supposed to be due to the exhaust you say??? I wonder if a new dual
exhaust
>> >system would take care of it??? Hmmmm.....
>> >
>> >-Brandt
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: Todd E. Schreiber
>> >To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>> >Date: Wednesday, December 23, 1998 11:52 PM
>> >Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10
>> >
>> >
>> >>Just a question, but how long did you wait for this nonexistent truck
to
>> >>come in? Its possible that he promised you a time that he couldn't
>> >achieve,
>> >>and made up the whole vin# and recall story to explain why you were
still
>> >>waiting, or perhaps he sold it for more than the deal he was giving
you,
>> >and
>> >>just threw you into the back of the line for another truck. Expected
>> waits
>> >>at this time are 3-6 months for an ordered truck. I got a V-10 SD took
3
>> >>1/2 months. I haven't heard of a recall, but my engine/exhaust seems
to
>> >set
>> >>up a harmonic vibration at around 2250 rpm. Ford claims its the
exhaust,
>> >>and I'm still waiting for a cure. Not everyone experiences this
problem,
>> >>but I know of at least one other person that has the identical problem.
>> >>Next years model will probably have a vibration damper on the exhaust,
but
>> >I
>> >>doubt its the mysterious recall.
>> >>
>> >>richard coleman wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Brandt, My dealer told me it was a recall. When the truck came in the
>> >>> first time, my dealer did give me the vin #. I just checked the
number
>> >>> through the state and it came back invalid!!! I am not sure what to
>> >>> think of all this crap. I would give my business to another dealer
but
>> >>> there is not a single v-10 in the D/FW area! In fact I havent even
>> >>> driven one yet. I am not sure what I am going to do. If you hear of
>> >>> anything please let me know as I will do the same for you.
>> >>> Thanks for your help
>> >>> Richard Coleman
>> >>>
>> >>> ---Brandt Dennehy wrote:
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Richard,
>> >>> > I have a 99 F-250 Superduty V-10, so I'm obviously interested in
>> >>> what the
>> >>> > recall is about. Did the dealer say it was a "recall" or could
>> >>> there just
>> >>> > have been something wrong with your pickup? That sounds
suspicious
>> >>> that
>> >>> > the dealer would tell you, "there was a recall on your pickup, but
I
>> >>> won't
>> >>> > tell you what the recall is for". I don't know where to find out
>> >>> more info.
>> >>> > about this. I do know, however, if the dealer won't be honest with
>> >>> you, I
>> >>> > would definitely think twice about purchasing a truck from
>> >>> them...... Let
>> >>> > me know what you find out.
>> >>> > --Brandt
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > -----Original Message-----
>> >>> > From: richard coleman
>> >>> > To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com ;
>> >>> > 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>> >>> > Date: Tuesday, December 22, 1998 8:19 PM
>> >>> > Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > >Has anybody heard about a "secret" recall on the 99 f-250
superduty
>> >>> > >v-10? I special ordered one, but when it came into Dallas, the
dealer
>> >>> > >had to send it back to ford for a recall. The dealer will not
tell
>> >>> > >what the recall is about, nor can anybody that I have talked to at
>> >>> > >ford! If it is this serious of a problem that they had to ship it
all
>> >>> > >the way back to the plant and wont tell me why, it makes me wonder
if
>> >>> > >I even want that truck or find another one that was built
pre-recall.
>> >>> > >Any help is greatly appreciated(as are sugestions on how to find
out
>> >>> > >the answer)
>> >>> > >Thanks for your help
>> >>> > >Richard Coleman
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > >---Matt Bailey wrote:
>> >>> > >>
>> >>> > >> I have done some snooping around for a cat-back exhaust for my
>> >>> Super
>> >>> > >Duty
>> >>> > >> V-10. Borla makes a cat-back dual system for about $600, Gibson
>> >>> > >makes a
>> >>> > >> cat-back single similar to OE only 3" with straight thru muffler
>> >>> for
>> >>> > >about
>> >>> > >> $300. I can't find anyone who has installed one to see how they
>> >>> > >sound but
>> >>> > >> their supposed to add about 15 hp. If anyone has heard one of
these
>> >>> > >systems
>> >>> > >> installed I would sure like to hear what they think.
>> >>> > >>
>> >>> > >> Mattb
>> >>> > >>
>> >>> > >>
>> >>> > >> -----Original Message-----
>> >>> > >> From: Brandt Dennehy
>> >>> > >> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>> >>> > >> Date: Tuesday, December 22, 1998 2:32 PM
>> >>> > >> Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10
>> >>> > >>
>> >>> > >>
>> >>> > >> >I have a Superduty V-10 and was also considering putting on a
dual
>> >>> > >exhaust
>> >>> > >> >system and turbo muffler.....not to make it louder, but to up
the
>> >>> > >> horsepower
>> >>> > >> >and fuel economy. A friend of mine did just what I described
on
>> >>> > >his 460 V8
>> >>> > >> >and said he can definitely notice an improvement in power.
>> >>> Anybody
>> >>> > >out
>> >>> > >> >there ever do this and did it make a noticeable diff. in power
>> >>> or gas
>> >>> > >> >mileage? Anyone change the exhaust system on the V-10?
Results?
>> >>> Any
>> >>> > >> input?
>> >>> > >> >Thanks, Brandt
>> >>> > >> >
>> >>> > >> >
>> >>> > >> >-----Original Message-----
>> >>> > >> >From: Union Auto
>> >>> > >> >To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>> >>> > >> >Date: Tuesday, December 22, 1998 3:12 PM
>> >>> > >> >Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10
>> >>> > >> >
>> >>> > >> >
>> >>> > >> >>The Ford will sound different than the Dodge (although I don't
>> >>> > >know if it
>> >>> > >> >>will sound "good" or not) because the Dodge uses an odd firing
>> >>> > >order (like
>> >>> > >> >a
>> >>> > >> >>V-6) where Ford has an even firing order so it will have less
>> >>> of a
>> >>> > >stumble
>> >>> > >> >>sound.
>> >>> > >> >>
>> >>> > >> >>Nathan Bernard
>> >>> > >> >>Union Auto, Inc.
>> >>> > >> >>
>> >>> > >> >>-----Original Message-----
>> >>> > >> >>From: Keith Srb
>> >>> > >> >>To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>> >>> > >> >>Date: Tuesday, December 22, 1998 3:43 PM
>> >>> > >> >>Subject: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10
>> >>> > >> >>
>> >>> > >> >>
>> >>> > >> >>>FORWARDED FOR: "Kirk Werner"
>> >>> > >> >>>
>> >>> > >> >>>I used to s*bscribe to Dodge Ram mailing list, and the V10
>> >>> owners
>> >>> > >there
>> >>> > >> >>>spoke of their disappointment in getting a good tone out of
the
>> >>> > >V10, no
>> >>> > >> >>>matter what type of cat-back exhaust they installed. One guy
>> >>> who
>> >>> > >> >installed
>> >>> > >> >>>one of the after market performance exhausts described the
tone
>> >>> > >as "a mad
>> >>> > >> >>>swarm of bees" at best. As I understand it, you just won't
get
>> >>> > >the good
>> >>> > >> >>old
>> >>> > >> >>>"V-8 rumble" that Americans have grown to love. Maybe the
>> >>> Triton
>> >>> > >can
>> >>> > >> >>attain
>> >>> > >> >>>a better tone than the Dodge...?
>> >>> > >> >>>>---------------
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>> >>> > >> >>
>> >>> > >> >>
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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 11:25:22 -0500
From: Gary & Nancy Brinck
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: #324 - Trailer towing

Rick Butler wrote:

> Though I have no problems towing a full trailer on
> flat ground, I certainly could use more HP going up steep hills.
>
> My major concern is when the trailer "weaves." It's not a pretty
> experience. I read in a column on how a dually truck works well in
> towing; it cuts down on the weaving.
>
> What configuration would it take to pull a loaded trailer safely
>while maintaining posted speed limits? (70MPH)

Rick, you don't need a dually - trailer weave is caused by improper trailer balance.
You need more weight on the tongue, at least 10% and better yet 15% of the trailer's
loaded weight should rest on the hitch. This will make the trailer follow the tow
vehicle nicely.

You didn't mention the loaded weight of your Haulmark, so it is difficult to suggest
how much power you need. However, at 70 mph the frontal area of the trailer is as
much a factor as its weight - I'm assuming it is a rectangular box and maybe sticks
up a fair way above the Explorer's roof line. Tow load caused by air resistance
increases with the square of the speed, so 70 mph generates much more load than 60.
You also didn't mention the axle ratio on your Explorer V8, which is another critical
factor. I pull a 10,000# fifth wheel with an F250 SD PSD, but that is probably
overkill for you. The V10 would do nicely, but I suspect the 5.4L V8 would also do it
if equipped with the 4.10 axle.

I'm guessing your trailer weighs no more than 5000# loaded and a V8 Explorer should
pull that unless geared for max economy. You might consider keeping your V8
Explorer and adding a US Gear or Gear Vendors auxiliary transmission, adding some
lower gears you can use while towing. That way, when you shift the aux tranny into
1:1 gearing for routine commuting, you would have your normal power and economy. When
shifted to "underdrive", you would have more power in a better RPM range for towing.

Send me an email if you want to discuss towing parameters further - us RV types have
made a religion out of towing performance and handling and have a wealth of info to
share .

- --
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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 09:51:28 -0700
From: "Brandt Dennehy"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - CD Hot

Yes, my CD player did that to me last week also in my 99 F-250 V-10. I was
on a 2 hour roadtrip and the heat was going the entire way (usually above
low setting since it was about -20 Farenheit outside). I was confused when
it started doing that. The heat vents must run too close to the CD player
or something....I've never had a vehicle do that to me before?? Also, my
shift-on-the-fly 4x4 wouldn't engage the hubs in those subzero temps.....I
took it into the shop yesterday and they said everything is fine with the
4x4. Subzero temps. must alter the hubs locking??? That sucks because
here in Montana, we have quite a bit of subzero temps. in the winter and it
would be nice not to have to manually engage my hubs. Anyway...

- --Brandt
- -----Original Message-----
From: Ericrizner aol.com
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, December 28, 1998 9:48 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - CD Hot


>I just bought my '99 F-150 on the 5th of November. I've made a few long
trips
>in it. On my way to Iowa from Nashville it was really cold outside so I
had
>to run the heat on low pretty much the whole drive.
>I was listening to a CD when all of a sudden it went to the radio and said
"CD
>HOT" on the display. I popped out the CD and you could smell how hot it
was
>when it came out of the player.
>I was wondering if anyone else has had this problem and is it something
that
>can be fixed or do I just have to live without listening to a whole CD when
I
>am running the heat? Thanks for the input.
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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 14:05:53 -0500
From: paul naas
Subject: FTE 97up - Trailer sway

Rick,
As mentioned you may want to look into a weight distribution hitch that
is used extensively on Travel Trailers. In addition a Sway Control
Device used in conjunction with the hitch is very effective (cost about
$80.00). Some additional info; To help prevent trailer sway, it is
very important that the trailer be well balanced, especially if the tow
vehicle has a short wheel base or a long rear overhang. In other words,
in a side to side axis, the trailer (loaded) should weigh nearly the
same, especially if towed by a marginally capable vehicle. In the fore
to aft axis, you need at least 10% of the total weight on the hitch. A
weight of 12% or higher (up to the hitch rating) is even better for your
sway stability. It is very important to insure that the rear of your
trailer is NOT heavier than the rear.
Good luck,
Paul Naas (97 F-150, 4.6 pulling a 27' trailer)

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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 14:19:19 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 97up - ADMIN: Thanks Again!

Once again, Ford Truck Enthusiasts has won a Carlounge award!
This is the third quarterly award we've won from them. We
won the #2 automotive site, behind (yuck) the official
Chevy site. Not bad that little ol' FTE placed right behind
big Chevrolet!

I want to thank everyone who nominated us!

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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 14:35:05 -0500
From: Glenn Lepore
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Trailer sway

At 02:05 PM 12/29/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Paul Naas (97 F-150, 4.6 pulling a 27' trailer)

Hey Paul,

Can you provide more info on your truck? I have a '98 F-150 with
a 4.6 (SC, XLT, 4x4) Does the 4.6 provide enough power to pull that
large a trailer?

TIA,

Glenn

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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 13:42:38 -0000
From: "Greg Gilmore"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10

Good idea. Another way is to try one of the many buying services on the
internet. I've heard that FordDirect.com will allow you to shop dealers in
numerous states for availability and quotes. V10s are out there, you just
have to find them.

For what its worth.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Neal Moon
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, December 29, 1998 1:21 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10


>
>if you don't mind travelin try another state. i live in austin and
>ordered my truck in missouri. i ordered it on 11/23 and delivery will
>be 2/2/99. i saw numerous v10 in the kansas city area.
>
>-Neal 99 F250 CC 4x4 PSD XLT
>
>
>
>
> I would give my business to another dealer but
>> >>> there is not a single v-10 in the D/FW area! In fact I havent even
>> >>> driven one yet. I am not sure what I am going to do. If you
>hear of
>> >>> anything please let me know as I will do the same for you.
>
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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 13:46:55 -0600
From: dodge_ram1500_4x4 juno.com (Joe Thomson)
Subject: FTE 97up - Chevrolet Silverado

Does anyone know of a mailing list for the Silverado??

Joe T.
ICQ # 25096796
AIM NAME- JThomson54

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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 13:51:05 -0600
From: dodge_ram1500_4x4 juno.com (Joe Thomson)
Subject: FTE 97up - Ford Excurshion

Does anyone know any info. about the Ford Excurshion???

Joe T.
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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 13:49:47 -0600
From: dodge_ram1500_4x4 juno.com (Joe Thomson)
Subject: FTE 97up - Auto 4x4

Does anyone know when Ford will put the Automatic 4-wheel drive system
from the Explorer and Expedition on the F-Series?
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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 13:50:17 -0600
From: dodge_ram1500_4x4 juno.com (Joe Thomson)
Subject: FTE 97up - Super Duty Mailing List

Does anyone know of a mailing list for the new Super Duty trucks?

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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 13:46:36 -0600
From: dodge_ram1500_4x4 juno.com (Joe Thomson)
Subject: FTE 97up - Chevrolet Silverado/GMC Sierra

Does anyone know how the new Silverado/GMC Sierra compares to the '99
F-150?

Joe T.
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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 14:58:47 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Chevrolet Silverado

Isn't this a bad place to ask?

At 01:46 PM 12/29/98 -0600, you wrote:
>Does anyone know of a mailing list for the Silverado??
>

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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 14:07:41 -0600
From: dodge_ram1500_4x4 juno.com (Joe Thomson)
Subject: [none]

Everyone go to http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://automobilemag.com/surveys/ and vote. Please vote
for the Durango and Ford Expedition as the best SUV's.

Thank you,

Joe T.
ICQ # 25096796
AIM NAME- JThomson54

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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 15:42:37 EST
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Ford Excurshion

In a message dated 12/29/98 2:53:37 PM Eastern Standard Time,
dodge_ram1500_4x4 juno.com writes:


Does anyone know any info. about the Ford Excurshion???

Joe T.
ICQ # 25096796
AIM NAME- JThomson54
>>
next yr. i hear, w/ 5.4 , 6.8 or 7.3 maybe, based on SD chassis

RS
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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 16:06:06 -0600
From: dodge_ram1500_4x4 juno.com (Joe Thomson)
Subject: FTE 97up - Himalaya Expedition

Does anyone know any info. on this, or where I can find info.??

Thank you,

Joe T.
ICQ # 25096796
AIM NAME- JThomson54

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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 16:07:56 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - F450/550 prices

An F-450 Crew Cab 4x2 XLT starts at about (prices just went up yesterday so
this should be close) $30,000 and goes up from there (add $4100 for Diesel).
The F-550 is about $500 higher. I recently sold a F-550 Crew cab 4x2 with
every option and it stickered at about $37k.

Nathan

- -----Original Message-----
From: The Hepburn
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, December 29, 1998 1:59 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - F450/550 prices


>Well, we're going to start looking for a new truck, and we're looking
>at 3 possibilities: an International 4700, or an F450 or F550. Can
>anyone out there (Nathan?) give me an idea of what price range I
>should expect for an F450 or 550 Crew Cab duallie 2WD, diesel, automatic
>transmission, XLT, trailer tow package? Also any pointers to
>aftermarket beds for them?
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>Alan Hepburn
>Alan Hepburn.com
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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 16:18:46 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Ford Excurshion

Keep an eye on Microsoft Carpoint. There covering the Detroit Auto show
(NAIAS). I've heard that it will be into'd there on Jan 6th or 7th.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Joe Thomson
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com ;
expedition intellisys.net ;
f150list mindspring.com
Date: Tuesday, December 29, 1998 2:00 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - Ford Excurshion


>Does anyone know any info. about the Ford Excurshion???
>
>Joe T.
>ICQ # 25096796
>AIM NAME- JThomson54


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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 16:20:19 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Chevrolet Silverado/GMC Sierra

Go get the new issue of Truck Trends. They put Ford, Chevy and Dodge on a
Dyno and the Ford came out on top.

Nathan Bernard

- -----Original Message-----
From: Joe Thomson
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com ;
f150list mindspring.com
Date: Tuesday, December 29, 1998 2:02 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - Chevrolet Silverado/GMC Sierra


>Does anyone know how the new Silverado/GMC Sierra compares to the '99
>F-150?
>
>Joe T.
>ICQ # 25096796
>AIM NAME- JThomson54
>
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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 16:19:21 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Himalaya Expedition

Go to www.blueovalnews.com .

Nathan Bernard

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From: Joe Thomson
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com ;
f150list mindspring.com ; expedition intellisys.net

Date: Tuesday, December 29, 1998 4:16 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - Himalaya Expedition


>Does anyone know any info. on this, or where I can find info.??
>
>Thank you,


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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 16:35:04 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - CD Hot

Go to your dealer and tell them about it. They should be able to call the
Ford hotline and find a fix for the problem.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Ericrizner aol.com
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, December 28, 1998 10:53 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - CD Hot


>I just bought my '99 F-150 on the 5th of November. I've made a few long
trips
>in it. On my way to Iowa from Nashville it was really cold outside so I
had
>to run the heat on low pretty much the whole drive.
>I was listening to a CD when all of a sudden it went to the radio and said
"CD
>HOT" on the display. I popped out the CD and you could smell how hot it
was
>when it came out of the player.
>I was wondering if anyone else has had this problem and is it something
that
>can be fixed or do I just have to live without listening to a whole CD when
I
>am running the heat? Thanks for the input.


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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 16:41:56 -0600
From: dodge_ram1500_4x4 juno.com (Joe Thomson)
Subject: FTE 97up - Fw: I found this at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http:// poseur.4x4.org

Its snowing out. The traffic is atrocious and crawling. Me, I have the
hubs locked (I hate auto lock hub - but that's cause I use them *off
road*) but in 2WD (its not that bad out). I come to a short steep down
hill - about a 80 foot elevation change for a short distance - maybe a
10% grade for a few hundred feet. OK - pop the truck into 4-Lo so I can
idle down the hill w/o touching the brakes (the traffic is crawling at
10mph anyway and I'm bored). But the uphill side of the road is empty of
cars in the section that has the grade. I idle the next 200 yds or so to
the bottom, and there is a Jeep Grand Cherokee struggling to get up the
hill. Hmmm - only one rear wheel is spinning. The driver gets a running
start - is on the gas real hard
(duh) and spins the one tire and slides back the 10 feet gained. So when
I get along side I stop and roll down the window and stare at the driver.
After a few tries, the driver notices that I'm looking at her
(it happens to be a well dressed woman in a fur coat). She rolls down the
window (power of course). I say - "uh... is there a lever like thing next
to the trans shifter...looks kinda like a parking brake?" She says -
"Yeah" I say - "I think that's the 4WD control. Pull back on that lever
to put it in 4WD...."

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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 16:42:34 -0600
From: dodge_ram1500_4x4 juno.com (Joe Thomson)
Subject: FTE 97up - Fw: I found this at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http:// poseur.4x4.org

- --------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Joe Thomson
To: Juno Account ,
Dodge Ram Account
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 16:28:53 -0600
Message-ID:

Top Ten Reasons NOT to buy an SUV

10. EVERYONE ELSE drives one!
9. Too much vehicle for too much money.
8. Sucks more fuel than...well it just sucks!
7. Are you REALLY going to take that shiny new $40,000 SUV
off road?
6. How can you "rough it" with a leather interior?
5. They're just cheap pickup trucks with back seats for an
extra $20,000+.
4. They're too dang big!
3. Inferior overall safety.
2. Just like Chevy Chase's Family Truckster Wagon, except
with four wheel drive.
1. Lemmings drown!


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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 19:03:10 -0600
From: David Montgomery
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - 99 PowerStroke Question

At 08:14 PM 12/28/98 -0800, you wrote:
>I just did more or less what you are comptemplating, except it was a '97
>Dodge V-10 into a F300 DRW Crew Cab Power Stroke Automatic. From what I
>know of Cummngs mileage, you will not like the Power Stroke. My mileage is
>about the same as the Dodge V-10.
>Dodge..Empty highway at 65-75 mph ..... 12 mgp
> Towing 15000 GVW 65-75 mph... 7 mpg est.
>Ford ... Empty highway 65 -75 mph ... 14-15 mpg
> Towing 15000 GVW 65-75 mph ... 8.2 mpg
>
>However until Dodge makes a Crew Cab, there isn't any choice. Also the
>mirrors are to small and narrow for towing (42' gooseneck). With the Dodge
>I had PowerVision extending mirrors that went out 6" more per side and
>worked much better. (not available for Ford yet.
>Good luck!
>
>Greg
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: David Montgomery [SMTP:davidm idworld.net]
>Sent: Monday, December 28, 1998 5:11 PM
>To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>Subject: FTE 97up - 99 PowerStroke Question
>
>Greetings all. I currently own a 92 Dodge regular cab 4x2 with a Cummins
>diesel and I am in the market for a new truck. I've narrowed it down to a
>Ford crew cab or a Dodge with the quad cab and was wanting to know what
>kind of mileage people are getting with the 99 PowerStroke. Thanks.
>--
>Regards,
>David

That's exactly my dilemma, I am very happy with the Cummins but I dearly
want a crew cab. To tell the truth I have always been a Ford man, this is
my first Dogde, and I'm not that impressed with the truck itself. In fact,
the only reason I'm considering another Dodge is because of the Cummins. I
get 21.5-23.5 mpg empty highway, 14 mpg towing with 134,000 miles on the
truck, auto, 3.54 gears. Thanks for every ones replies. I go truck hunting
this weekend . Take care.
- --
Regards,
David

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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 19:56:05 -0600
From: dodge_ram1500_4x4 juno.com (Joe Thomson)
Subject: FTE 97up - Ford Explorer Mailing List

Does anyone know of a mailing list for the Explorer?

Joe T.
ICQ # 25096796
AIM NAME- JThomson54

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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 20:41:21 -0600
From: dodge_ram1500_4x4 juno.com (Joe Thomson)
Subject: FTE 97up - Auto 4x4

Does anyone know when Ford will put the Automatic 4-wheel drive system
from the Explorer and Expedition on the F-Series?

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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 22:04:30 EST
From: ZCES1 aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - 1999 F-150 XLT

I'm the proud owner on a '99 XLT (Extended Cab) with bucket seats. The seat
is a bit uncomfortable => seems as if the seat is tilted too far back &
there's discomfort in my lower left leg. Is anyone else experiencing this?
If so, can anyone recommend a fix?

Thanks,

zces1 aol.com
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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 21:59:06 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Ford Explorer Mailing List

Our small chassis list covers the Explorer.

Ken Payne
CoAdmin.

At 07:56 PM 12/29/98 -0600, you wrote:
>Does anyone know of a mailing list for the Explorer?
>
>Joe T.

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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 22:30:54 -0800
From: "Matt Bailey"
Subject: FTE 97up - Splash Guards for Super Duty

I've got a new black Super Duty and am looking for some decent splash
guard/mud flaps. I purchased some Motorsport splash guards, but the way the
rear fender wells are I don't think I can make a flat type splash guard
work. Has anyone seem the molded guards that the Dealerships are offering.
Help!

Thanx,
Mattb

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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 00:18:08 -0600
From: "Bud Feuless & Miki Magara"
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Exhaust for V10



These Batman-esque sound effects are simply what comes into my mind every
time I see another post on this topic that includes 10,000,000 miles of
reposted glop behind it. My ISP may start rejecting e-mail of the digest
version of 97-Up if it gets much bigger...! (kidding).

Maybe I'm disadvantaged in that I am using the dreaded MS product, but I
seem to have the option to NOT include the preceding text in my posts.
Perhaps those of you with superior skills, intellects and moral fiber often
ascribed to users of the NS product might have the same ability too? WELL
MAYBE YOU MIGHT WANT TO USE THAT FEATURE... AHHH... AHHHHH-HHH-HH! (My
tribute to the late, great Sam Kinneson (please forgive any mis-spelling)).

All in good fun and humor, but it sure would be nice to cut down on the
reposts.

Thanx! - Bud


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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 00:44:07 -0600
From: "Bud Feuless & Miki Magara"
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Trailer Towing

Just my $0.02, but some of the responses to the original post have suggested
a weight or load distributing hitch as a solution to trailer sway. While
this type of hitch can dramatically improve handling in some cases, it is
important to note that one of the major effects is to lower tongue weight.
This is often a solution to a problem with front-end wander on a vehicle
that is overloaded in the rear, where the front tires may lack adequate
pressure on the road (the rear end is pushed down too hard and the front,
therefore, up too hard) and where steering is negatively impacted by the
lack of weight on the front wheels. This, however, is not a solution, in my
experience, to trailer sway, in which the trailer is weaving from side to
side, while the vehicle remains essentially steady (unless you begin to
jacknife). The reduction in tongue weight, conversely could end up causing
a far more dramatic and dangerous loss of control if trailer sway, not front
end wander, is really the problem. As a matter of fact, I have a great
picture of just such a mistake, where a boater (boats already have light
tongue weights, often 7-8% or less, because of their engine placement) had
installed a weight distributing system on a very large boat/trailer,
thinking this would help him trailer it with his Chevy Luv. The picture
shows the boat with it's rear end on the pavement and with the rear-end of....


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