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FTE 97up - Trailer Towing
Re: FTE 97up - Trailer Towing
Re: FTE 97up - Trailer Towing
Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10
Re: FTE 97up - Trailer Towing
Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10
Re: FTE 97up - Trailer Towing
Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10
Re: FTE 97up - Trailer Towing
Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10
FTE 97up - 99 PowerStroke Question
FTE 97up - CD Hot
FTE 97up - F150 4x4 1999
FTE 97up - Hot CD
Re: FTE 97up - F150 4x4 1999
FTE 97up - F450/550 prices

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Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 15:35:01 -0500
From: "Butler, Rick"
Subject: FTE 97up - Trailer Towing

I currently own a 1996 Explorer XLT with the 5.0 liter V8 and towing
package. I race motorcycles, and purchased an enclosed trailer earlier
this year for my racing efforts. It is a 7x14 Haulmark; a nice trailer.

The trailer was equipped with brakes, so I added the required device
onto the Explorer. Though I have no problems towing a full trailer on
flat ground, I certainly could use more HP going up steep hills.

My major concern is when the trailer "weaves." It's not a pretty
experience. I read in a column on how a dually truck works well in
towing; it cuts down on the weaving.

OK; there's enough justification for looking into a truck. I had hoped
that Ford would bring out the Excursion early in 1999, but it looks like
it will be quite some time before it is introduced. No problem; I love
the look of the F series anyway. I'm single, and should really care
less about "passenger comfort." I hardly ever have a passenger in my
vehicle.

No doubt, an F350 DWD TSD AWD Lariat would be nice; dual wheel drive,
turbo stroke diesel all wheel drive would be too sweet. After learning
the acronyms, I then discovered the price. A bit steep for me. More
important is the fact that I am a typical suburban driver: live on a cul
de sac, will use truck to commute to work, hardly ever sees off road,
and spends only about 10-15 percent of my driving time with a trailer.
Kinda like the billion other Explorer drivers here in Atlanta.

I took a look at F250 SD's this weekend. I could definitely live with
one. However, I have one concern: with an empty bed, will I have
problems with trailer weave while driving an F250 as I do with my
Explorer? Should I go through the expense of getting a dual axle
trailer instead? The problem there is the fact that dual axle trailers
weigh quite a bit, and I would need even more HP out of my Explorer.

I'm open to hearing suggestions on what route I should take. Here are
some of the questions I have:

1. Would getting a 4x4 be cost effective for me? Remember, I'm not
an off road buff. Then again, tracks can get muddy from time to time.
2. Duallys are expensive. Is the option worth it for me?
3. Turbo Stroke Diesel is a 5K option; the V-10 is only about 350
dollars. How can it be cost justified?
4. What configuration would it take to pull a loaded trailer safely
while maintaining posted speed limits? (70MPH)


Any feedback will be welcome.



Thanks,

Rick Butler
Ocee, Georgia
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Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 13:01:34 PST
From: "Frank Spor"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Trailer Towing

I think I would look at an equalizing hitch before I went new truck...

Bars and chains are a lot less money.

Reese may have what you need.

Good luck, and enjoy your new truck....I think you have already
convinced your self.

Its really hard to get a date into an F250 SD 4X4....especially if she
is short.

Frank



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Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 16:00:00 -0500
From: tsaint erols.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Trailer Towing

If by weaving you are referring to what I call fishtailing, i.e. the
trailer going side to side as you drive, then you may just need more tongue
weight. Increase the tongue weight and try it out before you go to a new
truck.

At 03:35 PM 12/28/98 -0500, you wrote:
>I currently own a 1996 Explorer XLT with the 5.0 liter V8 and towing
>package. I race motorcycles, and purchased an enclosed trailer earlier
>this year for my racing efforts. It is a 7x14 Haulmark; a nice trailer.
>
>The trailer was equipped with brakes, so I added the required device
>onto the Explorer. Though I have no problems towing a full trailer on
>flat ground, I certainly could use more HP going up steep hills.
>
>My major concern is when the trailer "weaves." It's not a pretty
>experience. I read in a column on how a dually truck works well in
>towing; it cuts down on the weaving.

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Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 15:01:02 -0700
From: "Brandt Dennehy"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10

Todd,

I have a 99 Superduty V-10 Manual and I notice the exact same vibration at
about 2250 rpm....hasn't caused me any problems yet.....let me know if you
ever hear of any adjustments, etc...because of this vibration. It is
supposed to be due to the exhaust you say??? I wonder if a new dual exhaust
system would take care of it??? Hmmmm.....

- -Brandt
- -----Original Message-----
From: Todd E. Schreiber
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, December 23, 1998 11:52 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10


>Just a question, but how long did you wait for this nonexistent truck to
>come in? Its possible that he promised you a time that he couldn't
achieve,
>and made up the whole vin# and recall story to explain why you were still
>waiting, or perhaps he sold it for more than the deal he was giving you,
and
>just threw you into the back of the line for another truck. Expected waits
>at this time are 3-6 months for an ordered truck. I got a V-10 SD took 3
>1/2 months. I haven't heard of a recall, but my engine/exhaust seems to
set
>up a harmonic vibration at around 2250 rpm. Ford claims its the exhaust,
>and I'm still waiting for a cure. Not everyone experiences this problem,
>but I know of at least one other person that has the identical problem.
>Next years model will probably have a vibration damper on the exhaust, but
I
>doubt its the mysterious recall.
>
>richard coleman wrote:
>
>> Brandt, My dealer told me it was a recall. When the truck came in the
>> first time, my dealer did give me the vin #. I just checked the number
>> through the state and it came back invalid!!! I am not sure what to
>> think of all this crap. I would give my business to another dealer but
>> there is not a single v-10 in the D/FW area! In fact I havent even
>> driven one yet. I am not sure what I am going to do. If you hear of
>> anything please let me know as I will do the same for you.
>> Thanks for your help
>> Richard Coleman
>>
>> ---Brandt Dennehy wrote:
>> >
>> > Richard,
>> > I have a 99 F-250 Superduty V-10, so I'm obviously interested in
>> what the
>> > recall is about. Did the dealer say it was a "recall" or could
>> there just
>> > have been something wrong with your pickup? That sounds suspicious
>> that
>> > the dealer would tell you, "there was a recall on your pickup, but I
>> won't
>> > tell you what the recall is for". I don't know where to find out
>> more info.
>> > about this. I do know, however, if the dealer won't be honest with
>> you, I
>> > would definitely think twice about purchasing a truck from
>> them...... Let
>> > me know what you find out.
>> > --Brandt
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: richard coleman
>> > To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com ;
>> > 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>> > Date: Tuesday, December 22, 1998 8:19 PM
>> > Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10
>> >
>> >
>> > >Has anybody heard about a "secret" recall on the 99 f-250 superduty
>> > >v-10? I special ordered one, but when it came into Dallas, the dealer
>> > >had to send it back to ford for a recall. The dealer will not tell
>> > >what the recall is about, nor can anybody that I have talked to at
>> > >ford! If it is this serious of a problem that they had to ship it all
>> > >the way back to the plant and wont tell me why, it makes me wonder if
>> > >I even want that truck or find another one that was built pre-recall.
>> > >Any help is greatly appreciated(as are sugestions on how to find out
>> > >the answer)
>> > >Thanks for your help
>> > >Richard Coleman
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >---Matt Bailey wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> I have done some snooping around for a cat-back exhaust for my
>> Super
>> > >Duty
>> > >> V-10. Borla makes a cat-back dual system for about $600, Gibson
>> > >makes a
>> > >> cat-back single similar to OE only 3" with straight thru muffler
>> for
>> > >about
>> > >> $300. I can't find anyone who has installed one to see how they
>> > >sound but
>> > >> their supposed to add about 15 hp. If anyone has heard one of these
>> > >systems
>> > >> installed I would sure like to hear what they think.
>> > >>
>> > >> Mattb
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> -----Original Message-----
>> > >> From: Brandt Dennehy
>> > >> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>> > >> Date: Tuesday, December 22, 1998 2:32 PM
>> > >> Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> >I have a Superduty V-10 and was also considering putting on a dual
>> > >exhaust
>> > >> >system and turbo muffler.....not to make it louder, but to up the
>> > >> horsepower
>> > >> >and fuel economy. A friend of mine did just what I described on
>> > >his 460 V8
>> > >> >and said he can definitely notice an improvement in power.
>> Anybody
>> > >out
>> > >> >there ever do this and did it make a noticeable diff. in power
>> or gas
>> > >> >mileage? Anyone change the exhaust system on the V-10? Results?
>> Any
>> > >> input?
>> > >> >Thanks, Brandt
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >-----Original Message-----
>> > >> >From: Union Auto
>> > >> >To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>> > >> >Date: Tuesday, December 22, 1998 3:12 PM
>> > >> >Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >>The Ford will sound different than the Dodge (although I don't
>> > >know if it
>> > >> >>will sound "good" or not) because the Dodge uses an odd firing
>> > >order (like
>> > >> >a
>> > >> >>V-6) where Ford has an even firing order so it will have less
>> of a
>> > >stumble
>> > >> >>sound.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>Nathan Bernard
>> > >> >>Union Auto, Inc.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>-----Original Message-----
>> > >> >>From: Keith Srb
>> > >> >>To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>> > >> >>Date: Tuesday, December 22, 1998 3:43 PM
>> > >> >>Subject: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>>FORWARDED FOR: "Kirk Werner"
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>>I used to s*bscribe to Dodge Ram mailing list, and the V10
>> owners
>> > >there
>> > >> >>>spoke of their disappointment in getting a good tone out of the
>> > >V10, no
>> > >> >>>matter what type of cat-back exhaust they installed. One guy
>> who
>> > >> >installed
>> > >> >>>one of the after market performance exhausts described the tone
>> > >as "a mad
>> > >> >>>swarm of bees" at best. As I understand it, you just won't get
>> > >the good
>> > >> >>old
>> > >> >>>"V-8 rumble" that Americans have grown to love. Maybe the
>> Triton
>> > >can
>> > >> >>attain
>> > >> >>>a better tone than the Dodge...?
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Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 17:10:46 -0500
From: Bill
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Trailer Towing

"Butler, Rick" wrote:

> I currently own a 1996 Explorer XLT with the 5.0 liter V8 and towing
> package. 7x14 Haulmark; a nice trailer.
> My major concern is when the trailer "weaves."

Best way to inprove the weave problem as I see it is install an equalizing
hitch (but I think you will still get more weave than you will like.
Biggest problem is the single axle on that long a trailer. My son tows 5500
pounds total including 2 axle trailer and has no weave.. Tows it with F150,
5.0, 3:55 rear end, its sure no power house, but works for him.

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Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 17:39:53 -0500
From: "Todd E. Schreiber"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10

Brandt and Others:

You aren't the first person who says they have the same problem, but after
taking it to Ford, there were no other documented cases, or not many anyway.
The dealer told me that nothing will be done until it appears that there is in
fact a real problem, and not just a few isolated cases. He recommended that I
tell anyone else who experiences this problem to bring their trucks in, so that
Ford may be made more aware of the problem. As far as it actually being
exhaust, there is no guarantee. I do suggest that you bring your truck in and
let the problem be documented, its the only way we're going to get a fix.

Thanks

Brandt Dennehy wrote:

> Todd,
>
> I have a 99 Superduty V-10 Manual and I notice the exact same vibration at
> about 2250 rpm....hasn't caused me any problems yet.....let me know if you
> ever hear of any adjustments, etc...because of this vibration. It is
> supposed to be due to the exhaust you say??? I wonder if a new dual exhaust
> system would take care of it??? Hmmmm.....
>
> -Brandt
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Todd E. Schreiber
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Date: Wednesday, December 23, 1998 11:52 PM
> Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10
>
>



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Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 18:48:17 -0500
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Trailer Towing

1. I have found that adding weight (400 or 500 pounds over the rear wheels)
and stiff shocks to my vehicles helps eliminate towing "weave". Also,
Northern sells a tongue-weight scale, very handy for getting the tongue
weight correct (10-15% of total load) , improper balance can really effect
"weave". Remember, the Explorer, especially the V-8, can hold a lot of
weight!

2. I just bought a F-350 SuperDuty, V-10, SuperCab, 4X4, Single Rear
Wheels, LongBed for towing and snowplowing my property. I purchased the
LongBed specifically for more room and better towing stability (the longer
the wheelbase, the less trailer weaving). So far, the V-10 has gobs of
power, even with an 850 pound Fisher 8-foot blade snowplow set-up it still
has tons of power, especially if you let it wind up to 4,000 RPM! However,
I have not towed anything with the F-350 yet.

Keith

PS, The excursion should hit the auto shows this summer.


- -----Original Message-----
From: Butler, Rick
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, December 28, 1998 3:38 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - Trailer Towing


>I currently own a 1996 Explorer XLT with the 5.0 liter V8 and towing
>package. I race motorcycles, and purchased an enclosed trailer earlier
>this year for my racing efforts. It is a 7x14 Haulmark; a nice trailer.
>
>The trailer was equipped with brakes, so I added the required device
>onto the Explorer. Though I have no problems towing a full trailer on
>flat ground, I certainly could use more HP going up steep hills.
>
>My major concern is when the trailer "weaves." It's not a pretty
>experience. I read in a column on how a dually truck works well in
>towing; it cuts down on the weaving.
>
>OK; there's enough justification for looking into a truck. I had hoped
>that Ford would bring out the Excursion early in 1999, but it looks like
>it will be quite some time before it is introduced. No problem; I love
>the look of the F series anyway. I'm single, and should really care
>less about "passenger comfort." I hardly ever have a passenger in my
>vehicle.
>
>No doubt, an F350 DWD TSD AWD Lariat would be nice; dual wheel drive,
>turbo stroke diesel all wheel drive would be too sweet. After learning
>the acronyms, I then discovered the price. A bit steep for me. More
>important is the fact that I am a typical suburban driver: live on a cul
>de sac, will use truck to commute to work, hardly ever sees off road,
>and spends only about 10-15 percent of my driving time with a trailer.
>Kinda like the billion other Explorer drivers here in Atlanta.
>
>I took a look at F250 SD's this weekend. I could definitely live with
>one. However, I have one concern: with an empty bed, will I have
>problems with trailer weave while driving an F250 as I do with my
>Explorer? Should I go through the expense of getting a dual axle
>trailer instead? The problem there is the fact that dual axle trailers
>weigh quite a bit, and I would need even more HP out of my Explorer.
>
>I'm open to hearing suggestions on what route I should take. Here are
>some of the questions I have:
>
>1. Would getting a 4x4 be cost effective for me? Remember, I'm not
>an off road buff. Then again, tracks can get muddy from time to time.
>2. Duallys are expensive. Is the option worth it for me?
>3. Turbo Stroke Diesel is a 5K option; the V-10 is only about 350
>dollars. How can it be cost justified?
>4. What configuration would it take to pull a loaded trailer safely
>while maintaining posted speed limits? (70MPH)
>
>
>Any feedback will be welcome.
>
>
>
>Thanks,
>
>Rick Butler
>Ocee, Georgia
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Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 18:52:56 -0500
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10

No "Harmonic Vibrations" here, and I have taken it to about 4950 RPMs.
V-10, F-350, 4X4, SRW, XLT, LongBed, SuperCab, Plow-Package, all the other
Goodies.


Keith



- -----Original Message-----
From: Brandt Dennehy
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, December 28, 1998 5:04 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10


>Todd,
>
>I have a 99 Superduty V-10 Manual and I notice the exact same vibration at
>about 2250 rpm....hasn't caused me any problems yet.....let me know if you
>ever hear of any adjustments, etc...because of this vibration. It is
>supposed to be due to the exhaust you say??? I wonder if a new dual exhaust
>system would take care of it??? Hmmmm.....
>
>-Brandt
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Todd E. Schreiber
>To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>Date: Wednesday, December 23, 1998 11:52 PM
>Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10
>
>
>>Just a question, but how long did you wait for this nonexistent truck to
>>come in? Its possible that he promised you a time that he couldn't
>achieve,
>>and made up the whole vin# and recall story to explain why you were still
>>waiting, or perhaps he sold it for more than the deal he was giving you,
>and
>>just threw you into the back of the line for another truck. Expected
waits
>>at this time are 3-6 months for an ordered truck. I got a V-10 SD took 3
>>1/2 months. I haven't heard of a recall, but my engine/exhaust seems to
>set
>>up a harmonic vibration at around 2250 rpm. Ford claims its the exhaust,
>>and I'm still waiting for a cure. Not everyone experiences this problem,
>>but I know of at least one other person that has the identical problem.
>>Next years model will probably have a vibration damper on the exhaust, but
>I
>>doubt its the mysterious recall.
>>
>>richard coleman wrote:
>>
>>> Brandt, My dealer told me it was a recall. When the truck came in the
>>> first time, my dealer did give me the vin #. I just checked the number
>>> through the state and it came back invalid!!! I am not sure what to
>>> think of all this crap. I would give my business to another dealer but
>>> there is not a single v-10 in the D/FW area! In fact I havent even
>>> driven one yet. I am not sure what I am going to do. If you hear of
>>> anything please let me know as I will do the same for you.
>>> Thanks for your help
>>> Richard Coleman
>>>
>>> ---Brandt Dennehy wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Richard,
>>> > I have a 99 F-250 Superduty V-10, so I'm obviously interested in
>>> what the
>>> > recall is about. Did the dealer say it was a "recall" or could
>>> there just
>>> > have been something wrong with your pickup? That sounds suspicious
>>> that
>>> > the dealer would tell you, "there was a recall on your pickup, but I
>>> won't
>>> > tell you what the recall is for". I don't know where to find out
>>> more info.
>>> > about this. I do know, however, if the dealer won't be honest with
>>> you, I
>>> > would definitely think twice about purchasing a truck from
>>> them...... Let
>>> > me know what you find out.
>>> > --Brandt
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: richard coleman
>>> > To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com ;
>>> > 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>>> > Date: Tuesday, December 22, 1998 8:19 PM
>>> > Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > >Has anybody heard about a "secret" recall on the 99 f-250 superduty
>>> > >v-10? I special ordered one, but when it came into Dallas, the dealer
>>> > >had to send it back to ford for a recall. The dealer will not tell
>>> > >what the recall is about, nor can anybody that I have talked to at
>>> > >ford! If it is this serious of a problem that they had to ship it all
>>> > >the way back to the plant and wont tell me why, it makes me wonder if
>>> > >I even want that truck or find another one that was built pre-recall.
>>> > >Any help is greatly appreciated(as are sugestions on how to find out
>>> > >the answer)
>>> > >Thanks for your help
>>> > >Richard Coleman
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >---Matt Bailey wrote:
>>> > >>
>>> > >> I have done some snooping around for a cat-back exhaust for my
>>> Super
>>> > >Duty
>>> > >> V-10. Borla makes a cat-back dual system for about $600, Gibson
>>> > >makes a
>>> > >> cat-back single similar to OE only 3" with straight thru muffler
>>> for
>>> > >about
>>> > >> $300. I can't find anyone who has installed one to see how they
>>> > >sound but
>>> > >> their supposed to add about 15 hp. If anyone has heard one of these
>>> > >systems
>>> > >> installed I would sure like to hear what they think.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Mattb
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >> -----Original Message-----
>>> > >> From: Brandt Dennehy
>>> > >> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>>> > >> Date: Tuesday, December 22, 1998 2:32 PM
>>> > >> Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >> >I have a Superduty V-10 and was also considering putting on a dual
>>> > >exhaust
>>> > >> >system and turbo muffler.....not to make it louder, but to up the
>>> > >> horsepower
>>> > >> >and fuel economy. A friend of mine did just what I described on
>>> > >his 460 V8
>>> > >> >and said he can definitely notice an improvement in power.
>>> Anybody
>>> > >out
>>> > >> >there ever do this and did it make a noticeable diff. in power
>>> or gas
>>> > >> >mileage? Anyone change the exhaust system on the V-10? Results?
>>> Any
>>> > >> input?
>>> > >> >Thanks, Brandt
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> >-----Original Message-----
>>> > >> >From: Union Auto
>>> > >> >To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>>> > >> >Date: Tuesday, December 22, 1998 3:12 PM
>>> > >> >Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> >>The Ford will sound different than the Dodge (although I don't
>>> > >know if it
>>> > >> >>will sound "good" or not) because the Dodge uses an odd firing
>>> > >order (like
>>> > >> >a
>>> > >> >>V-6) where Ford has an even firing order so it will have less
>>> of a
>>> > >stumble
>>> > >> >>sound.
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >>Nathan Bernard
>>> > >> >>Union Auto, Inc.
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >>-----Original Message-----
>>> > >> >>From: Keith Srb
>>> > >> >>To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>>> > >> >>Date: Tuesday, December 22, 1998 3:43 PM
>>> > >> >>Subject: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >>>FORWARDED FOR: "Kirk Werner"
>>> > >> >>>
>>> > >> >>>I used to s*bscribe to Dodge Ram mailing list, and the V10
>>> owners
>>> > >there
>>> > >> >>>spoke of their disappointment in getting a good tone out of the
>>> > >V10, no
>>> > >> >>>matter what type of cat-back exhaust they installed. One guy
>>> who
>>> > >> >installed
>>> > >> >>>one of the after market performance exhausts described the tone
>>> > >as "a mad
>>> > >> >>>swarm of bees" at best. As I understand it, you just won't get
>>> > >the good
>>> > >> >>old
>>> > >> >>>"V-8 rumble" that Americans have grown to love. Maybe the
>>> Triton
>>> > >can
>>> > >> >>attain
>>> > >> >>>a better tone than the Dodge...?
>>> > >> >>>>---------------
>>> > >> >>>>- -----Original Message-----
>>> > >> >>
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Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 19:30:39 EST
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Trailer Towing

i really dont think i will ever buy another gas truck again! I have towed up
to 8k already and with no load it was great. I was looking at Pace enclosed
race trailers last week, the guy said with a 3/4 ton up to 24' you are fine
with correctly distributed load.
After that he reccommends a weight distr. hitch, because he said when a semi
goes by you at 80mph you get quite a bit of WAG on a 28' enclosed or larger
trailer with a single rear wheel. If i go to a enclosed trailer i will be
considering a weight dist. hitch. A F 250 SD should pull that small trailer
you have fine

RS
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Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 20:01:46 -0500
From: "Todd E. Schreiber"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10

What about the transmission, everyone I've run into with the same symptoms, also
has the manual transmission.

Keith Veren wrote:

> No "Harmonic Vibrations" here, and I have taken it to about 4950 RPMs.
> V-10, F-350, 4X4, SRW, XLT, LongBed, SuperCab, Plow-Package, all the other
> Goodies.
>
> Keith
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brandt Dennehy
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Date: Monday, December 28, 1998 5:04 PM
> Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10
>
> >Todd,
> >
> >I have a 99 Superduty V-10 Manual and I notice the exact same vibration at
> >about 2250 rpm....hasn't caused me any problems yet.....let me know if you
> >ever hear of any adjustments, etc...because of this vibration. It is
> >supposed to be due to the exhaust you say??? I wonder if a new dual exhaust
> >system would take care of it??? Hmmmm.....
> >
> >-Brandt
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Todd E. Schreiber
> >To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> >Date: Wednesday, December 23, 1998 11:52 PM
> >Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10
> >
> >
> >>Just a question, but how long did you wait for this nonexistent truck to
> >>come in? Its possible that he promised you a time that he couldn't
> >achieve,
> >>and made up the whole vin# and recall story to explain why you were still
> >>waiting, or perhaps he sold it for more than the deal he was giving you,
> >and
> >>just threw you into the back of the line for another truck. Expected
> waits
> >>at this time are 3-6 months for an ordered truck. I got a V-10 SD took 3
> >>1/2 months. I haven't heard of a recall, but my engine/exhaust seems to
> >set
> >>up a harmonic vibration at around 2250 rpm. Ford claims its the exhaust,
> >>and I'm still waiting for a cure. Not everyone experiences this problem,
> >>but I know of at least one other person that has the identical problem.
> >>Next years model will probably have a vibration damper on the exhaust, but
> >I
> >>doubt its the mysterious recall.
> >>
> >>richard coleman wrote:
> >>
> >>> Brandt, My dealer told me it was a recall. When the truck came in the
> >>> first time, my dealer did give me the vin #. I just checked the number
> >>> through the state and it came back invalid!!! I am not sure what to
> >>> think of all this crap. I would give my business to another dealer but
> >>> there is not a single v-10 in the D/FW area! In fact I havent even
> >>> driven one yet. I am not sure what I am going to do. If you hear of
> >>> anything please let me know as I will do the same for you.
> >>> Thanks for your help
> >>> Richard Coleman
> >>>
> >>> ---Brandt Dennehy wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > Richard,
> >>> > I have a 99 F-250 Superduty V-10, so I'm obviously interested in
> >>> what the
> >>> > recall is about. Did the dealer say it was a "recall" or could
> >>> there just
> >>> > have been something wrong with your pickup? That sounds suspicious
> >>> that
> >>> > the dealer would tell you, "there was a recall on your pickup, but I
> >>> won't
> >>> > tell you what the recall is for". I don't know where to find out
> >>> more info.
> >>> > about this. I do know, however, if the dealer won't be honest with
> >>> you, I
> >>> > would definitely think twice about purchasing a truck from
> >>> them...... Let
> >>> > me know what you find out.
> >>> > --Brandt
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > -----Original Message-----
> >>> > From: richard coleman
> >>> > To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com ;
> >>> > 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> >>> > Date: Tuesday, December 22, 1998 8:19 PM
> >>> > Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > >Has anybody heard about a "secret" recall on the 99 f-250 superduty
> >>> > >v-10? I special ordered one, but when it came into Dallas, the dealer
> >>> > >had to send it back to ford for a recall. The dealer will not tell
> >>> > >what the recall is about, nor can anybody that I have talked to at
> >>> > >ford! If it is this serious of a problem that they had to ship it all
> >>> > >the way back to the plant and wont tell me why, it makes me wonder if
> >>> > >I even want that truck or find another one that was built pre-recall.
> >>> > >Any help is greatly appreciated(as are sugestions on how to find out
> >>> > >the answer)
> >>> > >Thanks for your help
> >>> > >Richard Coleman
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > >---Matt Bailey wrote:
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >> I have done some snooping around for a cat-back exhaust for my
> >>> Super
> >>> > >Duty
> >>> > >> V-10. Borla makes a cat-back dual system for about $600, Gibson
> >>> > >makes a
> >>> > >> cat-back single similar to OE only 3" with straight thru muffler
> >>> for
> >>> > >about
> >>> > >> $300. I can't find anyone who has installed one to see how they
> >>> > >sound but
> >>> > >> their supposed to add about 15 hp. If anyone has heard one of these
> >>> > >systems
> >>> > >> installed I would sure like to hear what they think.
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >> Mattb
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >> -----Original Message-----
> >>> > >> From: Brandt Dennehy
> >>> > >> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> >>> > >> Date: Tuesday, December 22, 1998 2:32 PM
> >>> > >> Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >>
> >>> > >> >I have a Superduty V-10 and was also considering putting on a dual
> >>> > >exhaust
> >>> > >> >system and turbo muffler.....not to make it louder, but to up the
> >>> > >> horsepower
> >>> > >> >and fuel economy. A friend of mine did just what I described on
> >>> > >his 460 V8
> >>> > >> >and said he can definitely notice an improvement in power.
> >>> Anybody
> >>> > >out
> >>> > >> >there ever do this and did it make a noticeable diff. in power
> >>> or gas
> >>> > >> >mileage? Anyone change the exhaust system on the V-10? Results?
> >>> Any
> >>> > >> input?
> >>> > >> >Thanks, Brandt
> >>> > >> >
> >>> > >> >
> >>> > >> >-----Original Message-----
> >>> > >> >From: Union Auto
> >>> > >> >To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> >>> > >> >Date: Tuesday, December 22, 1998 3:12 PM
> >>> > >> >Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10
> >>> > >> >
> >>> > >> >
> >>> > >> >>The Ford will sound different than the Dodge (although I don't
> >>> > >know if it
> >>> > >> >>will sound "good" or not) because the Dodge uses an odd firing
> >>> > >order (like
> >>> > >> >a
> >>> > >> >>V-6) where Ford has an even firing order so it will have less
> >>> of a
> >>> > >stumble
> >>> > >> >>sound.
> >>> > >> >>
> >>> > >> >>Nathan Bernard
> >>> > >> >>Union Auto, Inc.
> >>> > >> >>
> >>> > >> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>> > >> >>From: Keith Srb
> >>> > >> >>To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> >>> > >> >>Date: Tuesday, December 22, 1998 3:43 PM
> >>> > >> >>Subject: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10
> >>> > >> >>
> >>> > >> >>
> >>> > >> >>>FORWARDED FOR: "Kirk Werner"
> >>> > >> >>>
> >>> > >> >>>I used to s*bscribe to Dodge Ram mailing list, and the V10
> >>> owners
> >>> > >there
> >>> > >> >>>spoke of their disappointment in getting a good tone out of the
> >>> > >V10, no
> >>> > >> >>>matter what type of cat-back exhaust they installed. One guy
> >>> who
> >>> > >> >installed
> >>> > >> >>>one of the after market performance exhausts described the tone
> >>> > >as "a mad
> >>> > >> >>>swarm of bees" at best. As I understand it, you just won't get
> >>> > >the good
> >>> > >> >>old
> >>> > >> >>>"V-8 rumble" that Americans have grown to love. Maybe the
> >>> Triton
> >>> > >can
> >>> > >> >>attain
> >>> > >> >>>a better tone than the Dodge...?
> >>> > >> >>>>---------------
> >>> > >> >>>>- -----Original Message-----
> >>> > >> >>
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Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 19:10:46 -0600
From: David Montgomery
Subject: FTE 97up - 99 PowerStroke Question

Greetings all. I currently own a 92 Dodge regular cab 4x2 with a Cummins
diesel and I am in the market for a new truck. I've narrowed it down to a
Ford crew cab or a Dodge with the quad cab and was wanting to know what
kind of mileage people are getting with the 99 PowerStroke. Thanks.
- --
Regards,
David

David Montgomery

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Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 22:45:38 EST
From: Ericrizner aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - CD Hot

I just bought my '99 F-150 on the 5th of November. I've made a few long trips
in it. On my way to Iowa from Nashville it was really cold outside so I had
to run the heat on low pretty much the whole drive.
I was listening to a CD when all of a sudden it went to the radio and said "CD
HOT" on the display. I popped out the CD and you could smell how hot it was
when it came out of the player.
I was wondering if anyone else has had this problem and is it something that
can be fixed or do I just have to live without listening to a whole CD when I
am running the heat? Thanks for the input.
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Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 23:43:29 -0500
From: Rick Heis
Subject: FTE 97up - F150 4x4 1999

Hello,


I have an idea(s) BUT need a few answers, suggestions and a lot of wisdom.=
Its in several parts so please help me with the portion(s) you can. This=
venture is new to me so ALL suggestions are relevant and welcome=85


I'm a volunteer in the search and rescue business (CAP and NASAR) and=
portable emergency communications (amateur radio, AFMARS, SHARES, etc.)=
business. My other interest (my job's) are aviation related, air traffic=
controller, weather observer, and commercial, multiengine pilot. I own a=
1992 Ford F150, 5.8, 2WD.


I am seriously considering purchasing a 1999 F150 supercab, 5.4, auto, 4x4.=
I would consider other manufactures models (Jeep, for one) but I've owned=
Ford trucks for many years. I plan on using the truck for my daily=
transportation and some moderate (nothing like the rock climbers I see in=
4x4 magazines) West Virginia 4x4 fun, BUT during SAR emergencies, when I=
need 4x4 performance, I need 4x4 performance.=20


I plan on getting the XLT or Lariat package, the towing package, the off=
road package, and the XLT sport group. I also plan on upgrading certain=
components, like shocks, exhaust system, computer chip, etc.


1. My concern(s) are some of the products in each group are duplicates, but=
I don't see any indication of reduction in prices because of duplication. I=
also don't see any 'brand' names associated with products. Is the=
aftermarket products better value or quality than the 'Ford' products? How=
can I find out information about Ford components, like who makes them,=
basic spec's, comparisons to aftermarket, etc.?


2. What exactly did Ford do to the 5.4 engine to give it more horsepower=
from 1998? What size in cubic inches is 5.4?


3. I really like the Ford ranger 'splash' color of canary yellow or=
'baywatch yellow'. Does Ford plan on coming out with this color in the near=
future for the F150? If not, can you special order from Ford this color? I=
know they carry the paint because the ranger 'splash' is this color.


4. I also don't like the leather seats on the Lariat package, can I replace=
them with the XLT seats at no cost?


5. Is Ford going to have disc brakes on all four wheels for the F150 soon?


6. The Ford Lightning is coming out soon, how many components, performance=
and cosmetic, will fit the regular F150? Will they be available at regular=
Ford garages? I really like the white faced gauges.


7. What would I have to do to increase horsepower to about 325-350. I plan=
on headers and cat back system, a K&N air filter, new computer chip. What=
else?


8. I would like to add a 3 or 4 inch lift kit so I can use larger tires.=
(33or35x12.50x15or16) How much product duplication/upgrade is there to=
the above information? Will I need to upgrade/change other components=
because of the lift? I just don't want to buy the same pair of shocks=
three times. I would rather plan my upgraded vehicle.


9. Is there any information as to what Ford is planning for the F150 for the=
year 2000?


10. What about Ford manufacture warranties with all these upgrades? Which=
Ford assembly plant makes the F150 and do they allow tours?


Well enough, this will get me started. I want to say thanks for all the=
information that I know will follow.


Rick Heis

N8PPH

Morgantown, WV



Rick Heis

u1c04209 mail.wvnet.edu=20

(second alphanumeric is the number 'one', NOT the
letter 'L')

P.O. Box 40, C-2 Road

Arthurdale, WV 26520-0040

(304) 864 6356
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Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 19:57:26 -0900
From: Perry Klein
Subject: FTE 97up - Hot CD

My 94 F150 did that up until the day I sold it.
I didn't get a message though it just shut off.
After a few minutes with the blower on cool you could start it up again.
Lots of fun when I lived in Fairbanks Alaska at the time.
The heater came on in September and didn't go off until April.

My 99 F250 hasn't done it yet!

pk

>I was wondering if anyone else has had this problem and is it something that
>can be fixed or do I just have to live without listening to a whole CD when I
>am running the heat? Thanks for the input.

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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 00:06:02 EST
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - F150 4x4 1999

In a message dated 12/28/98 11:48:32 PM Eastern Standard Time,
u1c04209 mail.wvnet.edu writes:


I have an idea(s) BUT need a few answers, suggestions and a lot of wisdom.=
Its in several parts so please help me with the portion(s) you can. This=
venture is new to me so ALL suggestions are relevant and welcome=85


I'm a volunteer in the search and rescue business (CAP and NASAR) and=
portable emergency communications (amateur radio, AFMARS, SHARES, etc.)=
business. My other interest (my job's) are aviation related, air traffic=
controller, weather observer, and commercial, multiengine pilot. I own a=
1992 Ford F150, 5.8, 2WD.


I am seriously considering purchasing a 1999 F150 supercab, 5.4, auto, 4x4.=
I would consider other manufactures models (Jeep, for one) but I've owned=
Ford trucks for many years. I plan on using the truck for my daily=
transportation and some moderate (nothing like the rock climbers I see in=
4x4 magazines) West Virginia 4x4 fun, BUT during SAR emergencies, when I=
need 4x4 performance, I need 4x4 performance.=20


I plan on getting the XLT or Lariat package, the towing package, the off=
road package, and the XLT sport group. I also plan on upgrading certain=
components, like shocks, exhaust system, computer chip, etc.


1. My concern(s) are some of the products in each group are duplicates, but=
I don't see any indication of reduction in prices because of duplication. I=
also don't see any 'brand' names associated with products. Is the=
aftermarket products better value or quality than the 'Ford' products? How=
can I find out information about Ford components, like who makes them,=
basic spec's, comparisons to aftermarket, etc.?


2. What exactly did Ford do to the 5.4 engine to give it more horsepower=
from 1998? What size in cubic inches is 5.4?

just a long rod 4.6


3. I really like the Ford ranger 'splash' color of canary yellow or=
'baywatch yellow'. Does Ford plan on coming out with this color in the near=
future for the F150? If not, can you special order from Ford this color? I=
know they carry the paint because the ranger 'splash' is this color.

not sure, there is always the new lightnening, but no 4wd

4. I also don't like the leather seats on the Lariat package, can I replace=
them with the XLT seats at no cost?

hmm, just find one you want, they usualy dont like swaping stuff around. i
condsiderd lariat F 250 SD but XLT iss almost same for lot less

5. Is Ford going to have disc brakes on all four wheels for the F150 soon?

YES

6. The Ford Lightning is coming out soon, how many components, performance=
and cosmetic, will fit the regular F150? Will they be available at regular=
Ford garages? I really like the white faced gauges.

should be fairly close easy to sway some things, some will be specific

7. What would I have to do to increase horsepower to about 325-350. I plan=
on headers and cat back system, a K&N air filter, new computer chip. What=
else?

Chips are for the birds, in F 150 save your money.

8. I would like to add a 3 or 4 inch lift kit so I can use larger tires.=
(33or35x12.50x15or16) How much product duplication/upgrade is there to=
the above information? Will I need to upgrade/change other components=....


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