97up-list-digest Saturday, December 26 1998 Volume 01 : Number 321



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In this issue:

FTE 97up - Merry Christmas
FTE 97up - Re: Oil Filtration (Hey, Ken!)
Re: FTE 97up - Re: Oil Filtration (Hey, Ken!)
FTE 97up - Re: Re: Exhaust for V10

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Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 13:13:59 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 97up - Merry Christmas

Just wanted to wish all the list members a Merry Christmas!
And to those that don't celebrate this day, Season's
Greetings.

Regards,
Ken Payne
Admin

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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 18:21:47 -0600
From: "Bud Feuless & Miki Magara"
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Oil Filtration (Hey, Ken!)

Sorry to combine so many responses to one post, I hope this is not a breach
of NT etiquette...
Ken; I got a similar impression when I first got on the phone w/Charlie,
but, over the course of an hour, I came to realize that he just loves his
work and talking about it. He spent an hour with me, knowing only that I
was interested in a single $400 unit for my truck, while he has
commercial-size orders pending. His motivation didn't have much to do with
making profit at least... . Again, he seemed like a really nice and
knowledgeable guy. Can't he still join in as an individual, so long as
there is no sales pitching? After all, you don't do member background
checks, you could have uncle Adolf out there trying to subvert us all to
switch over to Volkswagens and not really know it, right?


Rick Kane; Thanks, I had heard of the Amsoil filter but didn't have the
prices. I'm a bit partial to the GCF, because I know so many folks in the
marine and trucking industries in my area who swear by them... . On the
other hand, I think the Amsoil is more available, sometimes even at Ford
dealers and service shops. Charlie even mentioned that he uses their
synthetic oils himself, at least in boat engines.

Keith Veren; Charlie described a number of gasoline engines he uses them on.
He has one with over 200,000 miles on it, but probably lacks the strong
empirical evidence of wear reduction for gas engines that he has for
diesels. I would call GCF at 800-398-8114.




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Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 17:07:28 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Oil Filtration (Hey, Ken!)

At 06:21 PM 12/24/98 -0600, you wrote:
>Sorry to combine so many responses to one post, I hope this is not a breach
>of NT etiquette...
>Ken; I got a similar impression when I first got on the phone w/Charlie,
>but, over the course of an hour, I came to realize that he just loves his
>work and talking about it. He spent an hour with me, knowing only that I
>was interested in a single $400 unit for my truck, while he has
>commercial-size orders pending. His motivation didn't have much to do with
>making profit at least... . Again, he seemed like a really nice and
>knowledgeable guy. Can't he still join in as an individual, so long as
>there is no sales pitching? After all, you don't do member background
>checks, you could have uncle Adolf out there trying to subvert us all to
>switch over to Volkswagens and not really know it, right?

Charlie and any vendor representative is welcome to join so long as they
follow the simple guideline from our FAQ:

"Only private-party advertisements are allowed. No commercial ads allowed.
Vendors are welcome and encouraged to participate in discussion so long as
they do not use this discussion as a means of advertisement. Vendors may
recommend parts/procedures only if it is in response to a query from a
list member. Common sense should prevail."

We don't edit content and all postings are "live" (accept for a few adult
content words which are rejected) and our policy with subscribing is the
same. With only a handful of exceptions in the past two years, anyone
is welcome to join. The only cases of actually blocking subscription are
from extreme repeated disregard of others, repeated violation of our
policies and in one case, someone making a personal threat.

Commercial participation is a fine line, especially since FTE is incorporated
as a for profit (never made one though, incorporation is mainly for legal
protection). Some vendor input is helpful and sometimes you can only go
by your "gut feeling" about something. I draw the line when I get 4 or
more complaints about something. I'm sure Keith Srb (herbie ford-trucks.com),
the admin for this group, agrees and its really up to him (he's more of a
behind the scenes guy and you usually won't hear from him unless you have
a problem posting, bounced emails, etc). We talk about many decisions but
I pretty much leave it up to him.

Ken
PS. Many may think that this should be a private email. I disagree since
there may be vendors lurking on the list wondering about this.


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Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 16:11:57 -0600
From: "Bud Feuless & Miki Magara"
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Re: Exhaust for V10

I agree, this dealer sounds disreputable.

I think you mentioned that you are in DFW. I don't know what's right in
your backyard, but I've talked to Lief-Johnson Ford in Austin and Truck City
in Buda, they both have huge selections, including many V-10's. I almost
bought from Truck City, even though I have a dealer I like here. They
eventually offered to order me the truck I wanted for $300 over cost on the
first shot and did not pull any funny stuff, it was the real dealer cost.
It seemed like they had new trucks coming in every day, as every day he
seemed to have some new truck in that was close to what I wanted. Since I
had to order, I went with my local dealer, but, if they had been a little
closer to the mark in stock, I would have bought there. There are also a
number of dealers in Houston that have them too.

Good luck and hope the holidays have treated you well!

Regards, Bud


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