97up-list-digest Friday, December 25 1998 Volume 01 : Number 320



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In this issue:

FTE 97up - List Ettiquette
Re: FTE 97up - Off Road Package
FTE 97up - Original Text in Reply
FTE 97up - PSD Fuel System Future Changes
FTE 97up - Re. Fisher plows/ plow&brush guard mount
Re: FTE 97up - Off Road Package
Re: FTE 97up - PSD Fuel System Future Changes
Re: FTE 97up - Original Text in Reply
FTE 97up - Re: Exhaust for V10

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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 07:38:45 -0500
From: Lee Haefele
Subject: FTE 97up - List Ettiquette

I would like to talk about list use...When answering a question on the
list, there is no need to press "QUOTE". If you get digest mode this
sends all 10 or 20 questions/replys of the day out AGAIN. Todays list
had around 50 or 100 repeats of yesterday's notes. Tomorrow's digest
may have 20 of today's digest. Some e.mail programs will need to be
reset..."AUTOMATICALLY QUOTE ORIG MESSAGE" check the NO box.
In order to quote just the message that you are answering, just
highlight it, click "COPY" then "PASTE".
Lee Haefele
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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 07:52:58 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Off Road Package

The F-150 OFF ROAD pkg. requires XLT (single color only no tutone) or Lariat
Trim. Not avail. with Snow plow prep, S/C longbox, 4.2L engine or payload
pkg.. 203.

It includes:
LT265/70R17 OWL All terrain tires (including spare) ((has been Wrangler ATS
but no guarantee))
17" Chromtec Steel wheels (with black spare)
Skid plates (fuel tank, transfer case, and front crossmember)
HD Shock absorbers
4x4 Off Road decal (except Lariat)
4.6L includes 3.55 axle (limited slip optional)
5.4L includes 3.73 axle (limited slip optional)

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.



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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 07:00:31 -0700
From: "Matus, Scott A"
Subject: FTE 97up - Original Text in Reply

Ken,

Does your news group have restrictions on this. After reading digest V1
#319 it seemed to get too ridiculous to have to read the same thread over
and over. This may be difficult to filter, but I think it would improve the
NG quality.

Scott.
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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 08:23:38 -0600
From: DanBrotzman
Subject: FTE 97up - PSD Fuel System Future Changes

On page 80 of the Dec. 98 Diesel Progress magazine a news breif says =
Navistar (builder of the PSD) is linking up with Siemens Automotive =
Group to design and manufacture a digital fuel injection system for =
Navistar engines. This will include the 7.3L Power Stroke. Production is =
scheduled for 2001 or 2002. I thought the current Caterpillar design on =
the PSD was a digital system? Has there been any quirks specific to the =
current Caterpillar design? My interest is that I have a 99 SD PSD on =
order. My reason for ordering was to retire my old 6.9 diesel and move =
up to an engine that would better handle my towing needs, hauling farm =
machinery and 30' travel trailer.

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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 09:35:51 -0500
From: jlucs peddie.org (jlucs)
Subject: FTE 97up - Re. Fisher plows/ plow&brush guard mount

I can chime in and say that I have seen Myers Plow systems that use
their two sleeve pipes that the plow pump system slides into during
the summer have a brush guard system that uses the same sleeves. I
saw it in some product literature somewhere a year ago. So much for
capitalizing on the plow/brush guard mount theory.

--JEL--
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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 15:15:42 GMT
From: alannorthstar mindspring.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Off Road Package

On Thu, 24 Dec 1998 01:38:56 -0500, you wrote:

:A great big cheesy decal that says "I'm wicked cool!" and a skid plate =
for
:the oilpan, tranny, and gas tank. Plus in the F-150 you get 17 inch =
tires
:and the additional swaybar, if you don't already have it.

On a Ranger it includes those things (wheels/tires are 16"
instead of the usual 15") plus special all-terrain mud & snow
rated tires, stiffer shocks, tow hooks and fog lights on the
front, and 4.11 differential ratios.

Sure is nice that you can peel off those big cheesy decals in
just a minute or so!

Later,
Alan

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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 12:17:17 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - PSD Fuel System Future Changes

The Power Stroke uses Cat designed injectors that generate their own
pressure eliminating the injection pump (They still have a lift pump, for
'99 it's electric). It is a electronic system controlled by
Ford's EEC-V computer. It is also drive by wire as there is no throttle
cable. By depressing the pedal your activating a relay telling the computer
what to do. This is the reason the PSD has much better throttle response
than other Diesel engines. For '99 the Power Stroke uses rate shaping
capabilities that Cat has developed to quiet the engine down some. This
(basically) puts a small amount of fuel in the cylinder which detonates (the
knock that makes a Diesel loud) and as its detonating the amount of fuel
needed to produce power is injected. This quiets down the knock. This is
all very high tech, but I wouldn't be suprised if more technology is coming.
Diesels make up about 60% of the over 8500 GVW truck sales so look for Dodge
to try to do something to get back into the ball game with the Cummins, so
I'm sure that Ford and Dodge both (or Cummins and Navistar, however you want
to phrase it) are working on next generation technology for diesel engines.
The new system might also be for the rumored V-6 diesel for F-150's.

Nathan




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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 13:48:20 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Original Text in Reply

At 07:00 AM 12/24/98 -0700, you wrote:
>Ken,
>
>Does your news group have restrictions on this. After reading digest V1
>#319 it seemed to get too ridiculous to have to read the same thread over
>and over. This may be difficult to filter, but I think it would improve the
>NG quality.
>

No restrictions. Sometimes a little of the orginal is needed, especially
when you don't receive digest mode. I do occasionally send emails out
asking people to trim the size of the quote down. Having no quote at
all can make it difficult to follow the thread. Its something I'm not
going to filter because it's pretty much standard practice on lists to
have some quoting. Everything that is rejected by a filter requires
intervention by the list admin (Keith Srb admins this list). If quoting
were filtered, 90% of the messages would be bounced and the admin would
spend his entire day handling the bounces. We do have filters in place
which reject quoted responses to the entire digest so that's not a problem.

Ken


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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 19:18:04 -0500
From: Gary & Nancy Brinck
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Exhaust for V10

If there was any kind of recall, including a service campaign that is short of an
actual recall, Ford is legally required to notify the NHTSA and the information would
be posted on the NHTSA website in the Recall and TSB section. Try looking there:

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/problems/

for anything about a recall or TSB on V10's, but I'm pretty sure you got taken for a
ride by an unscrupulous dealer. Shop elsewhere, even if it means a wait. He was
counting on hooking you with the promise of a truck and will eventually try to get
you to accept whatever model he can get his hands on. He figures you will be so
desperate you will accept ANY configuration. Don't let him get away with it!

There are major truck dealerships that have or can get most models on fairly short
notice - they have them coming in all the time because their allotment is so large.
The RV magazines (e.g. Trailer Life) are full of their ads.
- --
Gary
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