Re: FTE 97up - Fisher Plows

97up-list-digest Thursday, December 24 1998 Volume 01 : Number 319

=======================================================================
Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1997 and Newer Trucks and Vans
Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com/
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
To unsubscribe, send email to:
majordomo

ford-trucks.com
with the words "unsubscribe 97up-list-digest" in the body of the
message.
=======================================================================
In this issue:

Re: FTE 97up - Fisher Plows
FTE 97up - Off Road Package
Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10
Re: FTE 97up - Off Road Package
Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10
Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10
RE: FTE 97up - Off Road Package
Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10
FTE 97up - Re: oil filtration
FTE 97up - Re: Oil filtration
Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10
Re: FTE 97up - Re: Oil filtration
Re: FTE 97up - Re: Oil filtration
[Fwd: FTE 97up - Re: Oil filtration]
Re: FTE 97up - Off Road Package
Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10

=======================================================================

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 04:49:00 PST
From: "Frank Spor"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Fisher Plows

Sounds like a great IDEA....But I have not seen one yet....

I bet we could make a buck on this one.

Frank

______________________________________________________
== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 08:41:14 -0800
From: Tim Mattson
Subject: FTE 97up - Off Road Package

> Would anyone happen to know what is included with the 4x4 'off road'
> package.
>
> Thanks...
>
>
== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 09:59:04 -0700
From: "Brandt Dennehy"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10

Richard,
I have a 99 F-250 Superduty V-10, so I'm obviously interested in what the
recall is about. Did the dealer say it was a "recall" or could there just
have been something wrong with your pickup? That sounds suspicious that
the dealer would tell you, "there was a recall on your pickup, but I won't
tell you what the recall is for". I don't know where to find out more info.
about this. I do know, however, if the dealer won't be honest with you, I
would definitely think twice about purchasing a truck from them...... Let
me know what you find out.
- --Brandt

- -----Original Message-----
From: richard coleman
To: 97up-list

ford-trucks.com ;
97up-list

ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, December 22, 1998 8:19 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10

>Has anybody heard about a "secret" recall on the 99 f-250 superduty
>v-10? I special ordered one, but when it came into Dallas, the dealer
>had to send it back to ford for a recall. The dealer will not tell
>what the recall is about, nor can anybody that I have talked to at
>ford! If it is this serious of a problem that they had to ship it all
>the way back to the plant and wont tell me why, it makes me wonder if
>I even want that truck or find another one that was built pre-recall.
>Any help is greatly appreciated(as are sugestions on how to find out
>the answer)
>Thanks for your help
>Richard Coleman
>
>
>
>
>---Matt Bailey wrote:
>>
>> I have done some snooping around for a cat-back exhaust for my Super
>Duty
>> V-10. Borla makes a cat-back dual system for about $600, Gibson
>makes a
>> cat-back single similar to OE only 3" with straight thru muffler for
>about
>> $300. I can't find anyone who has installed one to see how they
>sound but
>> their supposed to add about 15 hp. If anyone has heard one of these
>systems
>> installed I would sure like to hear what they think.
>>
>> Mattb
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Brandt Dennehy
>> To: 97up-list

ford-trucks.com
>> Date: Tuesday, December 22, 1998 2:32 PM
>> Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10
>>
>>
>> >I have a Superduty V-10 and was also considering putting on a dual
>exhaust
>> >system and turbo muffler.....not to make it louder, but to up the
>> horsepower
>> >and fuel economy. A friend of mine did just what I described on
>his 460 V8
>> >and said he can definitely notice an improvement in power. Anybody
>out
>> >there ever do this and did it make a noticeable diff. in power or gas
>> >mileage? Anyone change the exhaust system on the V-10? Results? Any
>> input?
>> >Thanks, Brandt
>> >
>> >
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: Union Auto
>> >To: 97up-list

ford-trucks.com
>> >Date: Tuesday, December 22, 1998 3:12 PM
>> >Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10
>> >
>> >
>> >>The Ford will sound different than the Dodge (although I don't
>know if it
>> >>will sound "good" or not) because the Dodge uses an odd firing
>order (like
>> >a
>> >>V-6) where Ford has an even firing order so it will have less of a
>stumble
>> >>sound.
>> >>
>> >>Nathan Bernard
>> >>Union Auto, Inc.
>> >>
>> >>-----Original Message-----
>> >>From: Keith Srb
>> >>To: 97up-list

ford-trucks.com
>> >>Date: Tuesday, December 22, 1998 3:43 PM
>> >>Subject: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>FORWARDED FOR: "Kirk Werner"
>> >>>
>> >>>I used to s*bscribe to Dodge Ram mailing list, and the V10 owners
>there
>> >>>spoke of their disappointment in getting a good tone out of the
>V10, no
>> >>>matter what type of cat-back exhaust they installed. One guy who
>> >installed
>> >>>one of the after market performance exhausts described the tone
>as "a mad
>> >>>swarm of bees" at best. As I understand it, you just won't get
>the good
>> >>old
>> >>>"V-8 rumble" that Americans have grown to love. Maybe the Triton
>can
>> >>attain
>> >>>a better tone than the Dodge...?
>> >>>>---------------
>> >>>>- -----Original Message-----
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info
>http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html
>> >>
>> >
>> >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info
>http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html
>> >
>>
>> == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info
>http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html
>>
>
>_________________________________________________________
>DO YOU YAHOO!?
> >
>== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html
>

== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:40:29 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Off Road Package

In what vehicle Ranger, F-150, or Super Duty?

- -----Original Message-----
From: Tim Mattson
To: '97up'
Date: Wednesday, December 23, 1998 10:54 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - Off Road Package

>
>> Would anyone happen to know what is included with the 4x4 'off road'
>> package.
>>
>> Thanks...
>>
>>
>== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html

== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:47:24 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10

I don't know what happened to your truck (or if your dealer has something
else in mind for it), but I've gotten in some V-10's recently with no
problems, and haven't seen any recall notices come through. The only thing
I can think of is that it was possibly missbuilt (but I haven't seen or
heard of any misbuilt vehicles), or the dealer might have mis-ordered or
possibly sold it to another customer. The dealer should be able to provide
an explanation for what happened or why the truck isn't there. I've never
heard of a vehicle being sent back to Ford for a Recall. Sometimes if
something is found before its shipped they'll hold the truck until it's
fixed. When the new Cougar came out they started building 4 cyl automatics,
and then decided to only offer the auto with the V-6, so they scrapped all
the 4 cyl auto Cougars before any were sold.

Nathan Bernard

- -----Original Message-----
From: richard coleman
To: 97up-list

ford-trucks.com ;
97up-list

ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, December 22, 1998 9:22 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10

>Has anybody heard about a "secret" recall on the 99 f-250 superduty
>v-10? I special ordered one, but when it came into Dallas, the dealer
>had to send it back to ford for a recall. The dealer will not tell
>what the recall is about, nor can anybody that I have talked to at
>ford! If it is this serious of a problem that they had to ship it all
>the way back to the plant and wont tell me why, it makes me wonder if
>I even want that truck or find another one that was built pre-recall.
>Any help is greatly appreciated(as are sugestions on how to find out
>the answer)
>Thanks for your help
>Richard Coleman
>
>
>
>
>---Matt Bailey wrote:
>>
>> I have done some snooping around for a cat-back exhaust for my Super
>Duty
>> V-10. Borla makes a cat-back dual system for about $600, Gibson
>makes a
>> cat-back single similar to OE only 3" with straight thru muffler for
>about
>> $300. I can't find anyone who has installed one to see how they
>sound but
>> their supposed to add about 15 hp. If anyone has heard one of these
>systems
>> installed I would sure like to hear what they think.
>>
>> Mattb
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Brandt Dennehy
>> To: 97up-list

ford-trucks.com
>> >>Date: Tuesday, December 22, 1998 3:43 PM
>> >>Subject: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>FORWARDED FOR: "Kirk Werner"
>> >>>
>> >>>I used to s*bscribe to Dodge Ram mailing list, and the V10 owners
>there
>> >>>spoke of their disappointment in getting a good tone out of the
>V10, no
>> >>>matter what type of cat-back exhaust they installed. One guy who
>> >installed
>> >>>one of the after market performance exhausts described the tone
>as "a mad
>> >>>swarm of bees" at best. As I understand it, you just won't get
>the good
>> >>old
>> >>>"V-8 rumble" that Americans have grown to love. Maybe the Triton
>can
>> >>attain
>> >>>a better tone than the Dodge...?
>> >>>>---------------
>> >>>>- -----Original Message-----
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info
>http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html
>> >>
>> >
>> >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info
>http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html
>> >
>>
>> == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info
>http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html
>>
>
>_________________________________________________________
>DO YOU YAHOO!?
> >
>== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html

== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:48:08 -0800 (PST)
From: richard coleman
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10

Brandt, My dealer told me it was a recall. When the truck came in the
first time, my dealer did give me the vin #. I just checked the number
through the state and it came back invalid!!! I am not sure what to
think of all this crap. I would give my business to another dealer but
there is not a single v-10 in the D/FW area! In fact I havent even
driven one yet. I am not sure what I am going to do. If you hear of
anything please let me know as I will do the same for you.
Thanks for your help
Richard Coleman

- ---Brandt Dennehy wrote:
>
> Richard,
> I have a 99 F-250 Superduty V-10, so I'm obviously interested in
what the
> recall is about. Did the dealer say it was a "recall" or could
there just
> have been something wrong with your pickup? That sounds suspicious
that
> the dealer would tell you, "there was a recall on your pickup, but I
won't
> tell you what the recall is for". I don't know where to find out
more info.
> about this. I do know, however, if the dealer won't be honest with
you, I
> would definitely think twice about purchasing a truck from
them...... Let
> me know what you find out.
> --Brandt
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: richard coleman
> To: 97up-list

ford-trucks.com ;
> 97up-list

ford-trucks.com
> Date: Tuesday, December 22, 1998 8:19 PM
> Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10
>
>
> >Has anybody heard about a "secret" recall on the 99 f-250 superduty
> >v-10? I special ordered one, but when it came into Dallas, the dealer
> >had to send it back to ford for a recall. The dealer will not tell
> >what the recall is about, nor can anybody that I have talked to at
> >ford! If it is this serious of a problem that they had to ship it all
> >the way back to the plant and wont tell me why, it makes me wonder if
> >I even want that truck or find another one that was built pre-recall.
> >Any help is greatly appreciated(as are sugestions on how to find out
> >the answer)
> >Thanks for your help
> >Richard Coleman
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >---Matt Bailey wrote:
> >>
> >> I have done some snooping around for a cat-back exhaust for my
Super
> >Duty
> >> V-10. Borla makes a cat-back dual system for about $600, Gibson
> >makes a
> >> cat-back single similar to OE only 3" with straight thru muffler
for
> >about
> >> $300. I can't find anyone who has installed one to see how they
> >sound but
> >> their supposed to add about 15 hp. If anyone has heard one of these
> >systems
> >> installed I would sure like to hear what they think.
> >>
> >> Mattb
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Brandt Dennehy
> >> To: 97up-list

ford-trucks.com
> >> Date: Tuesday, December 22, 1998 2:32 PM
> >> Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10
> >>
> >>
> >> >I have a Superduty V-10 and was also considering putting on a dual
> >exhaust
> >> >system and turbo muffler.....not to make it louder, but to up the
> >> horsepower
> >> >and fuel economy. A friend of mine did just what I described on
> >his 460 V8
> >> >and said he can definitely notice an improvement in power.
Anybody
> >out
> >> >there ever do this and did it make a noticeable diff. in power
or gas
> >> >mileage? Anyone change the exhaust system on the V-10? Results?
Any
> >> input?
> >> >Thanks, Brandt
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >-----Original Message-----
> >> >From: Union Auto
> >> >To: 97up-list

ford-trucks.com
> >> >Date: Tuesday, December 22, 1998 3:12 PM
> >> >Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>The Ford will sound different than the Dodge (although I don't
> >know if it
> >> >>will sound "good" or not) because the Dodge uses an odd firing
> >order (like
> >> >a
> >> >>V-6) where Ford has an even firing order so it will have less
of a
> >stumble
> >> >>sound.
> >> >>
> >> >>Nathan Bernard
> >> >>Union Auto, Inc.
> >> >>
> >> >>-----Original Message-----
> >> >>From: Keith Srb
> >> >>To: 97up-list

ford-trucks.com
> >> >>Date: Tuesday, December 22, 1998 3:43 PM
> >> >>Subject: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>>FORWARDED FOR: "Kirk Werner"
> >> >>>
> >> >>>I used to s*bscribe to Dodge Ram mailing list, and the V10
owners
> >there
> >> >>>spoke of their disappointment in getting a good tone out of the
> >V10, no
> >> >>>matter what type of cat-back exhaust they installed. One guy
who
> >> >installed
> >> >>>one of the after market performance exhausts described the tone
> >as "a mad
> >> >>>swarm of bees" at best. As I understand it, you just won't get
> >the good
> >> >>old
> >> >>>"V-8 rumble" that Americans have grown to love. Maybe the
Triton
> >can
> >> >>attain
> >> >>>a better tone than the Dodge...?
> >> >>>>---------------
> >> >>>>- -----Original Message-----
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info
> >http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info
> >http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html
> >> >
> >>
> >> == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info
> >http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html
> >>
> >
> >_________________________________________________________
> >DO YOU YAHOO!?
> > > >
> >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info
http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html
> >
>
> == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info
http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html
>

_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?

== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 15:19:07 -0800
From: Tim Mattson
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Off Road Package

This would be for the F-150.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Union Auto [mailto:unionaut

adiis.net]
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 1998 1:40 PM
To: 97up-list

ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Off Road Package

In what vehicle Ranger, F-150, or Super Duty?

- -----Original Message-----
From: Tim Mattson
To: '97up'
Date: Wednesday, December 23, 1998 10:54 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - Off Road Package

>
>> Would anyone happen to know what is included with the 4x4 'off road'
>> package.
>>
>> Thanks...
>>
>>
>== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info
http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html

== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html
== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 20:04:25 -0500
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10

I just received my F-350 V-10 4X4 SuperDuty SuperCab Longbed. Runs great,
my dealer has not heard of any recall, though I will check with the owner.

Keith

- -----Original Message-----
From: richard coleman
To: 97up-list

ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, December 23, 1998 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10

>Brandt, My dealer told me it was a recall. When the truck came in the
>first time, my dealer did give me the vin #. I just checked the number
>through the state and it came back invalid!!! I am not sure what to
>think of all this crap. I would give my business to another dealer but
>there is not a single v-10 in the D/FW area! In fact I havent even
>driven one yet. I am not sure what I am going to do. If you hear of
>anything please let me know as I will do the same for you.
>Thanks for your help
>Richard Coleman
>
>
>
>
>---Brandt Dennehy wrote:
>>
>> Richard,
>> I have a 99 F-250 Superduty V-10, so I'm obviously interested in
>what the
>> recall is about. Did the dealer say it was a "recall" or could
>there just
>> have been something wrong with your pickup? That sounds suspicious
>that
>> the dealer would tell you, "there was a recall on your pickup, but I
>won't
>> tell you what the recall is for". I don't know where to find out
>more info.
>> about this. I do know, however, if the dealer won't be honest with
>you, I
>> would definitely think twice about purchasing a truck from
>them...... Let
>> me know what you find out.
>> --Brandt
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: richard coleman
>> To: 97up-list

ford-trucks.com ;
>> 97up-list

ford-trucks.com
>> Date: Tuesday, December 22, 1998 8:19 PM
>> Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10
>>
>>
>> >Has anybody heard about a "secret" recall on the 99 f-250 superduty
>> >v-10? I special ordered one, but when it came into Dallas, the dealer
>> >had to send it back to ford for a recall. The dealer will not tell
>> >what the recall is about, nor can anybody that I have talked to at
>> >ford! If it is this serious of a problem that they had to ship it all
>> >the way back to the plant and wont tell me why, it makes me wonder if
>> >I even want that truck or find another one that was built pre-recall.
>> >Any help is greatly appreciated(as are sugestions on how to find out
>> >the answer)
>> >Thanks for your help
>> >Richard Coleman
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >---Matt Bailey wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I have done some snooping around for a cat-back exhaust for my
>Super
>> >Duty
>> >> V-10. Borla makes a cat-back dual system for about $600, Gibson
>> >makes a
>> >> cat-back single similar to OE only 3" with straight thru muffler
>for
>> >about
>> >> $300. I can't find anyone who has installed one to see how they
>> >sound but
>> >> their supposed to add about 15 hp. If anyone has heard one of these
>> >systems
>> >> installed I would sure like to hear what they think.
>> >>
>> >> Mattb
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Brandt Dennehy
>> >> To: 97up-list

ford-trucks.com
>> >> Date: Tuesday, December 22, 1998 2:32 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >I have a Superduty V-10 and was also considering putting on a dual
>> >exhaust
>> >> >system and turbo muffler.....not to make it louder, but to up the
>> >> horsepower
>> >> >and fuel economy. A friend of mine did just what I described on
>> >his 460 V8
>> >> >and said he can definitely notice an improvement in power.
>Anybody
>> >out
>> >> >there ever do this and did it make a noticeable diff. in power
>or gas
>> >> >mileage? Anyone change the exhaust system on the V-10? Results?
> Any
>> >> input?
>> >> >Thanks, Brandt
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >-----Original Message-----
>> >> >From: Union Auto
>> >> >To: 97up-list

ford-trucks.com
>> >> >Date: Tuesday, December 22, 1998 3:12 PM
>> >> >Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >>The Ford will sound different than the Dodge (although I don't
>> >know if it
>> >> >>will sound "good" or not) because the Dodge uses an odd firing
>> >order (like
>> >> >a
>> >> >>V-6) where Ford has an even firing order so it will have less
>of a
>> >stumble
>> >> >>sound.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Nathan Bernard
>> >> >>Union Auto, Inc.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>-----Original Message-----
>> >> >>From: Keith Srb
>> >> >>To: 97up-list

ford-trucks.com
>> >> >>Date: Tuesday, December 22, 1998 3:43 PM
>> >> >>Subject: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>>FORWARDED FOR: "Kirk Werner"
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>I used to s*bscribe to Dodge Ram mailing list, and the V10
>owners
>> >there
>> >> >>>spoke of their disappointment in getting a good tone out of the
>> >V10, no
>> >> >>>matter what type of cat-back exhaust they installed. One guy
>who
>> >> >installed
>> >> >>>one of the after market performance exhausts described the tone
>> >as "a mad
>> >> >>>swarm of bees" at best. As I understand it, you just won't get
>> >the good
>> >> >>old
>> >> >>>"V-8 rumble" that Americans have grown to love. Maybe the
>Triton
>> >can
>> >> >>attain
>> >> >>>a better tone than the Dodge...?
>> >> >>>>---------------
>> >> >>>>- -----Original Message-----
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info
>> >http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info
>> >http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info
>> >http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html
>> >>
>> >
>> >_________________________________________________________
>> >DO YOU YAHOO!?
>> > >> >
>> >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info
>http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html
>> >
>>
>> == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info
>http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html
>>
>
>_________________________________________________________
>DO YOU YAHOO!?
> >
>== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html

== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 20:34:31 -0500
From: RICK KANE
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: oil filtration

Bud, I don't know what you pay for a bypass filtration kit but Amsoil
sells them for $159 plus about $21 for the filter, and their analysis
kits are only $12.

== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 21:09:44 -0600
From: "Bud Feuless & Miki Magara"
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Oil filtration

Scot;

While I hate to argue with so prestigious an organization as SAE
... your numbers just didn't ring true to me. I wanted to make
sure I knew what I was talking about, so I took the time during lunch to
call Gulf Coast Filters and get the real numbers together. I called their
800 number and was transferred to Charlie Simms (hope I'm spelling that
right), who is president and founder of the company. You could hardly ask
to speak to a more friendly or enthusiastic source of information on the
subject. He was also very honest and straightforward and actually never
even tried to sell me a filter. He just seemed to enjoy talking about the
concept and sharing the knowledge he's gained from being in this business
since the 60's. We were on the phone for about an hour on his nickel. By
the way, he does have e-mail too. It's gcfinc

aol.com.

Specifically, I asked him about fitting one of his filters to the 7.3L
PowerStroke, expecting that it might be unusual to fit these filters to such
a small engine. I was surprised when he told me that they do quite a bit of
business fitting them right out of the factory and have been doing this
since the 6.9L and that they also do a lot of engines in similar competing
brand trucks. He was quite familiar with the engine and quickly detailed
the best places to attach the hoses, etc... . List price for the filter is
$434.12. Installation will involve some hoses and fittings and a couple of
hours labor, if you do not do the work yourself. This could come to about
$554.12, which amortizes out to $11.03/month on the average 5 year, 8% truck
loan.

Filter changes, according to Charlie, should occur every 10,000 - 15,000
miles (not the 3000 you mention). He did note that it is safe to go twice
that much in a pinch, but that this was the best interval. He says that oil
analysis would be performed at this interval, as well, although many do not
do it (see below). Also, in any fair comparison, you must consider that,
even in the normal arrangement, you should still perform regular oil
analysis on a diesel. That cost is not particular to the paper towel filter
system. Let's also say we consume a gallon every 5000 miles, as you
suggest.

This leads to the following costs for 21,000 miles, if we assume 1500
miles/month (light use, I run 3000, but I'm trying to be fair here) and use
$4/gallon of oil and use your intervals for replacement of the factory-style
installation filters:

GCF01 Factory

Amortization: $ 154.42 $ 0.00
Oil Analysis (2) 19.06 19.06
Oil Consumption 16.00 0.00
Filter Replacement 1.00 49.00
Oil Changes 0.00 112.00

Total $ 180.48 $ 180.06

While I'm not claiming 100% accuracy, for purposes of comparison, cost of
the two systems appears almost equal, including the initial cost of the
bypass filter. But wait, we're missing the point here.

What you have just bought for about $ 0.42 extra every 21,000 miles is a
tremendous insurance policy for your engine. I mentioned in my first post
that oil and filter consumption savings are not the issue. The issue is
engine longevity and wear. Imagine constantly running oil in your engine
that had all the operating qualities of the finest new oil (or better) and
that no collection of particulate contaminants that would harm your engine
would ever occur. Filtration is down to below 1 micron. There is proof
available. Charlie is sending it and I will share what I can. I have also
myself talked to shrimpers and commercial boat and truck operators in my
area who swear up and down by them and point to cases of engines running
ungodly numbers of continuous duty hours without failure only to have to
crack them open when they were damaged by accident. On inspection, main
bearings and pistons are often still within spec for new.

That is why, at least for myself, I have every intention of going to the
local Houston dealer to get one installed right after my truck is delivered
(yes, I am double checking on warranty issues, but expect no problems, as
this is common practice for commercial users of the same trucks). Charlie
also mentioned that he suggest similar filters for all fluids, including
coolant, ATF, and diesel fuel. I cannot argue against the simple truth that
clean fluids are the absolute key to long engine life. Once I check out
prices on these other filters, I may go with them too.

Some other interesting notes that he shared had to do with why oil analysis
might not be needed and how their filter is made.

He explained that, when changing the paper towel roll and letting it drain,
you can find a number of things out about your oil without analysis. He
said that, after draining, the roll should be the same size as it was new,
except it is now dark. If it has shrunk, the loss in volume is equivalent
to the amount of coolant that the paper has absorbed from the oil (making it
easy to tell if you have coolant in your oil). He says you can often see
particulate metal on top of the roll, if there is a problem that is causing
unusual wear. He also shared a very interesting story from the shrimpers in
my area.

He said he once asked them why they never did oil analysis and how they
could tell when it was time to change their filters. They told him that,
before they set out their nets, they pull the dipstick, rub it in their hand
and work the oil in. They then wipe it away. If any blackness is left
behind on the hand, they replace the filter before setting out the nets. If
not, they keep using the filter. He decided to test this against oil
analysis to see how accurate the method was. He found that this method was
just as accurate for detecting particulate matter in the oil as regular
periodic analysis. The best evidence, of course, is that these shrimpers
have been doing it this way for a long time and running these engines under
load for extended lifecycles.

He also mentioned that the GCF01 is the same filter used in the marine
environment. He had thought about a cheaper setup for commercial trucks,
but found that his customers wanted the extremely heavy duty units. The
smallest one weights 27 pounds and has a cover of 1/2" thick powder-coated
steel.

By the way, Charlie told me, coincidentally, that he just sold a unit to
someone from this NG. He is checking w/Ken to see if he can join in the
fun, as he is very interested in sharing information on oil maintenance,
analysis and related topics, while he would take pains to avoid mentioning
or pushing his own products. He might also want to offer us a discount.

Regards, Bud

== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 22:26:57 -0500
From: Scot Evanson
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10

Your FORD regional sales representative should be contacted with the
details (IMHO). This does not sound correct.

SAE

richard coleman wrote:
>
> Brandt, My dealer told me it was a recall. When the truck came in the
> first time, my dealer did give me the vin #. I just checked the number
> through the state and it came back invalid!!! I am not sure what to
> think of all this crap. I would give my business to another dealer but
> there is not a single v-10 in the D/FW area! In fact I havent even
> driven one yet. I am not sure what I am going to do. If you hear of
> anything please let me know as I will do the same for you.
> Thanks for your help
> Richard Coleman
>
> ---Brandt Dennehy wrote:
> >
> > Richard,
> > I have a 99 F-250 Superduty V-10, so I'm obviously interested in
> what the
> > recall is about. Did the dealer say it was a "recall" or could
> there just
> > have been something wrong with your pickup? That sounds suspicious
> that
> > the dealer would tell you, "there was a recall on your pickup, but I
> won't
> > tell you what the recall is for". I don't know where to find out
> more info.
> > about this. I do know, however, if the dealer won't be honest with
> you, I
> > would definitely think twice about purchasing a truck from
> them...... Let
> > me know what you find out.
> > --Brandt
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: richard coleman
> > To: 97up-list

ford-trucks.com ;
> > 97up-list

ford-trucks.com
> > Date: Tuesday, December 22, 1998 8:19 PM
> > Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10
> >
> >
> > >Has anybody heard about a "secret" recall on the 99 f-250 superduty
> > >v-10? I special ordered one, but when it came into Dallas, the dealer
> > >had to send it back to ford for a recall. The dealer will not tell
> > >what the recall is about, nor can anybody that I have talked to at
> > >ford! If it is this serious of a problem that they had to ship it all
> > >the way back to the plant and wont tell me why, it makes me wonder if
> > >I even want that truck or find another one that was built pre-recall.
> > >Any help is greatly appreciated(as are sugestions on how to find out
> > >the answer)
> > >Thanks for your help
> > >Richard Coleman
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >---Matt Bailey wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I have done some snooping around for a cat-back exhaust for my
> Super
> > >Duty
> > >> V-10. Borla makes a cat-back dual system for about $600, Gibson
> > >makes a
> > >> cat-back single similar to OE only 3" with straight thru muffler
> for
> > >about
> > >> $300. I can't find anyone who has installed one to see how they
> > >sound but
> > >> their supposed to add about 15 hp. If anyone has heard one of these
> > >systems
> > >> installed I would sure like to hear what they think.
> > >>
> > >> Mattb
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: Brandt Dennehy
> > >> To: 97up-list

ford-trucks.com
> > >> Date: Tuesday, December 22, 1998 2:32 PM
> > >> Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> >I have a Superduty V-10 and was also considering putting on a dual
> > >exhaust
> > >> >system and turbo muffler.....not to make it louder, but to up the
> > >> horsepower
> > >> >and fuel economy. A friend of mine did just what I described on
> > >his 460 V8
> > >> >and said he can definitely notice an improvement in power.
> Anybody
> > >out
> > >> >there ever do this and did it make a noticeable diff. in power
> or gas
> > >> >mileage? Anyone change the exhaust system on the V-10? Results?
> Any
> > >> input?
> > >> >Thanks, Brandt
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >-----Original Message-----
> > >> >From: Union Auto
> > >> >To: 97up-list

ford-trucks.com
> > >> >Date: Tuesday, December 22, 1998 3:12 PM
> > >> >Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >>The Ford will sound different than the Dodge (although I don't
> > >know if it
> > >> >>will sound "good" or not) because the Dodge uses an odd firing
> > >order (like
> > >> >a
> > >> >>V-6) where Ford has an even firing order so it will have less
> of a
> > >stumble
> > >> >>sound.
> > >> >>
> > >> >>Nathan Bernard
> > >> >>Union Auto, Inc.
> > >> >>
> > >> >>-----Original Message-----
> > >> >>From: Keith Srb
> > >> >>To: 97up-list

ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, December 23, 1998 10:26 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Oil filtration

>Scot;
>
>While I hate to argue with so prestigious an organization as SAE
>... your numbers just didn't ring true to me. I wanted to make
>sure I knew what I was talking about, so I took the time during lunch to
>call Gulf Coast Filters and get the real numbers together. I called their
>800 number and was transferred to Charlie Simms (hope I'm spelling that
>right), who is president and founder of the company. You could hardly ask
>to speak to a more friendly or enthusiastic source of information on the
>subject. He was also very honest and straightforward and actually never
>even tried to sell me a filter. He just seemed to enjoy talking about the
>concept and sharing the knowledge he's gained from being in this business
>since the 60's. We were on the phone for about an hour on his nickel. By
>the way, he does have e-mail too. It's gcfinc

aol.com.
>
>Specifically, I asked him about fitting one of his filters to the 7.3L
>PowerStroke, expecting that it might be unusual to fit these filters to
such
>a small engine. I was surprised when he told me that they do quite a bit
of
>business fitting them right out of the factory and have been doing this
>since the 6.9L and that they also do a lot of engines in similar competing
>brand trucks. He was quite familiar with the engine and quickly detailed
>the best places to attach the hoses, etc... . List price for the filter is
>$434.12. Installation will involve some hoses and fittings and a couple of
>hours labor, if you do not do the work yourself. This could come to about
>$554.12, which amortizes out to $11.03/month on the average 5 year, 8%
truck
>loan.
>
>Filter changes, according to Charlie, should occur every 10,000 - 15,000
>miles (not the 3000 you mention). He did note that it is safe to go twice
>that much in a pinch, but that this was the best interval. He says that
oil
>analysis would be performed at this interval, as well, although many do not
>do it (see below). Also, in any fair comparison, you must consider that,
>even in the normal arrangement, you should still perform regular oil
>analysis on a diesel. That cost is not particular to the paper towel
filter
>system. Let's also say we consume a gallon every 5000 miles, as you
>suggest.
>
>This leads to the following costs for 21,000 miles, if we assume 1500
>miles/month (light use, I run 3000, but I'm trying to be fair here) and use
>$4/gallon of oil and use your intervals for replacement of the
factory-style
>installation filters:
>
> GCF01 Factory
>
>Amortization: $ 154.42 $ 0.00
>Oil Analysis (2) 19.06 19.06
>Oil Consumption 16.00 0.00
>Filter Replacement 1.00 49.00
>Oil Changes 0.00 112.00
>
>Total $ 180.48 $ 180.06
>
>While I'm not claiming 100% accuracy, for purposes of comparison, cost of
>the two systems appears almost equal, including the initial cost of the
>bypass filter. But wait, we're missing the point here.
>
>What you have just bought for about $ 0.42 extra every 21,000 miles is a
>tremendous insurance policy for your engine. I mentioned in my first post
>that oil and filter consumption savings are not the issue. The issue is
>engine longevity and wear. Imagine constantly running oil in your engine
>that had all the operating qualities of the finest new oil (or better) and
>that no collection of particulate contaminants that would harm your engine
>would ever occur. Filtration is down to below 1 micron. There is proof
>available. Charlie is sending it and I will share what I can. I have also
>myself talked to shrimpers and commercial boat and truck operators in my
>area who swear up and down by them and point to cases of engines running
>ungodly numbers of continuous duty hours without failure only to have to
>crack them open when they were damaged by accident. On inspection, main
>bearings and pistons are often still within spec for new.
>
>That is why, at least for myself, I have every intention of going to the
>local Houston dealer to get one installed right after my truck is delivered
>(yes, I am double checking on warranty issues, but expect no problems, as
>this is common practice for commercial users of the same trucks). Charlie
>also mentioned that he suggest similar filters for all fluids, including
>coolant, ATF, and diesel fuel. I cannot argue against the simple truth
that
>clean fluids are the absolute key to long engine life. Once I check out
>prices on these other filters, I may go with them too.
>
>Some other interesting notes that he shared had to do with why oil analysis
>might not be needed and how their filter is made.
>
>He explained that, when changing the paper towel roll and letting it drain,
>you can find a number of things out about your oil without analysis. He
>said that, after draining, the roll should be the same size as it was new,
>except it is now dark. If it has shrunk, the loss in volume is equivalent
>to the amount of coolant that the paper has absorbed from the oil (making
it
>easy to tell if you have coolant in your oil). He says you can often see
>particulate metal on top of the roll, if there is a problem that is causing
>unusual wear. He also shared a very interesting story from the shrimpers
in
>my area.
>
>He said he once asked them why they never did oil analysis and how they
>could tell when it was time to change their filters. They told him that,
>before they set out their nets, they pull the dipstick, rub it in their
hand
>and work the oil in. They then wipe it away. If any blackness is left
>behind on the hand, they replace the filter before setting out the nets.
If
>not, they keep using the filter. He decided to test this against oil
>analysis to see how accurate the method was. He found that this method was
>just as accurate for detecting particulate matter in the oil as regular
>periodic analysis. The best evidence, of course, is that these shrimpers
>have been doing it this way for a long time and running these engines under
>load for extended lifecycles.
>
>He also mentioned that the GCF01 is the same filter used in the marine
>environment. He had thought about a cheaper setup for commercial trucks,
>but found that his customers wanted the extremely heavy duty units. The
>smallest one weights 27 pounds and has a cover of 1/2" thick powder-coated
>steel.
>
>By the way, Charlie told me, coincidentally, that he just sold a unit to
>someone from this NG. He is checking w/Ken to see if he can join in the
>fun, as he is very interested in sharing information on oil maintenance,
>analysis and related topics, while he would take pains to avoid mentioning
>or pushing his own products. He might also want to offer us a discount.
>
>Regards, Bud
>
>
>
>== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html

== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 23:13:24 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Oil filtration

>
>By the way, Charlie told me, coincidentally, that he just sold a unit to
>someone from this NG. He is checking w/Ken to see if he can join in the
>fun, as he is very interested in sharing information on oil maintenance,
>analysis and related topics, while he would take pains to avoid mentioning
>or pushing his own products. He might also want to offer us a discount.
>
>Regards, Bud
>

He did indeed send me an email. He offered to share information
about his filter system to our members. I get "offers" all the
time from individuals and companies who believe they have the
best products. Staying true to our policy, I turned down the
offer. First of all, it would be an endorsement by FTE and
myself. Second, some of his claims, especially the military
tests, have been disputed by many people. Lastly, while I believe
he would take steps to avoid pushing his products, I've seen
many Amsoil people try this approach on the news groups and it
doesn't work 99.9% of the time because of one simple factor:
their opinion is biased towards their products.

Both Nathan on this list and Auto Krafters on the 61-79 list have
participated in discussions and yes, they both sell Ford truck
related products, but they came on board as list members first.
Charlie approached me with a brochure type sales pitch that
ended with his offer to provide information.

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts

== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 00:32:05 -0500
From: Scot Evanson
Subject: [Fwd: FTE 97up - Re: Oil filtration]

Bud,

Willing to review anyone's opinion.

RE: the filter exam: we've been doing this in the avaition world for a
very long time.

Regards,
SAE

Bud Feuless & Miki Magara wrote:
>
> Scot;
>
> He explained that, when changing the paper towel roll and letting it drain,
> you can find a number of things out about your oil without analysis. He
> said that, after draining, the roll should be the same size as it was new,
> except it is now dark. If it has shrunk, the loss in volume is equivalent
> to the amount of coolant that the paper has absorbed from the oil (making it
> easy to tell if you have coolant in your oil). He says you can often see
> particulate metal on top of the roll, if there is a problem that is causing
> unusual wear. He also shared a very interesting story from the shrimpers in
> my area.
>
>
== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 01:38:56 -0500
From: "Todd E. Schreiber"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Off Road Package

A great big cheesy decal that says "I'm wicked cool!" and a skid plate for
the oilpan, tranny, and gas tank. Plus in the F-150 you get 17 inch tires
and the additional swaybar, if you don't already have it.

Union Auto wrote:

> In what vehicle Ranger, F-150, or Super Duty?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tim Mattson
> To: '97up'
> Date: Wednesday, December 23, 1998 10:54 AM
> Subject: FTE 97up - Off Road Package
>
> >
> >> Would anyone happen to know what is included with the 4x4 'off road'
> >> package.
> >>
> >> Thanks...
> >>
> >>
> >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html
>
> == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html

== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 01:44:26 -0500
From: "Todd E. Schreiber"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10

Just a question, but how long did you wait for this nonexistent truck to
come in? Its possible that he promised you a time that he couldn't achieve,
and made up the whole vin# and recall story to explain why you were still
waiting, or perhaps he sold it for more than the deal he was giving you, and
just threw you into the back of the line for another truck. Expected waits
at this time are 3-6 months for an ordered truck. I got a V-10 SD took 3
1/2 months. I haven't heard of a recall, but my engine/exhaust seems to set
up a harmonic vibration at around 2250 rpm. Ford claims its the exhaust,
and I'm still waiting for a cure. Not everyone experiences this problem,
but I know of at least one other person that has the identical problem.
Next years model will probably have a vibration damper on the exhaust, but I
doubt its the mysterious recall.

richard coleman wrote:

> Brandt, My dealer told me it was a recall. When the truck came in the
> first time, my dealer did give me the vin #. I just checked the number
> through the state and it came back invalid!!! I am not sure what to
> think of all this crap. I would give my business to another dealer but
> there is not a single v-10 in the D/FW area! In fact I havent even
> driven one yet. I am not sure what I am going to do. If you hear of
> anything please let me know as I will do the same for you.
> Thanks for your help
> Richard Coleman
>
> ---Brandt Dennehy wrote:
> >
> > Richard,
> > I have a 99 F-250 Superduty V-10, so I'm obviously interested in
> what the
> > recall is about. Did the dealer say it was a "recall" or could
> there just
> > have been something wrong with your pickup? That sounds suspicious
> that
> > the dealer would tell you, "there was a recall on your pickup, but I
> won't
> > tell you what the recall is for". I don't know where to find out
> more info.
> > about this. I do know, however, if the dealer won't be honest with
> you, I
> > would definitely think twice about purchasing a truck from
> them...... Let
> > me know what you find out.
> > --Brandt
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: richard coleman
> > To: 97up-list

ford-trucks.com ;
> > 97up-list

ford-trucks.com
> > Date: Tuesday, December 22, 1998 8:19 PM
> > Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10
> >
> >
> > >Has anybody heard about a "secret" recall on the 99 f-250 superduty
> > >v-10? I special ordered one, but when it came into Dallas, the dealer
> > >had to send it back to ford for a recall. The dealer will not tell
> > >what the recall is about, nor can anybody that I have talked to at
> > >ford! If it is this serious of a problem that they had to ship it all
> > >the way back to the plant and wont tell me why, it makes me wonder if
> > >I even want that truck or find another one that was built pre-recall.
> > >Any help is greatly appreciated(as are sugestions on how to find out
> > >the answer)
> > >Thanks for your help
> > >Richard Coleman
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >---Matt Bailey wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I have done some snooping around for a cat-back exhaust for my
> Super
> > >Duty
> > >> V-10. Borla makes a cat-back dual system for about $600, Gibson
> > >makes a
> > >> cat-back single similar to OE only 3" with straight thru muffler
> for
> > >about
> > >> $300. I can't find anyone who has installed one to see how they
> > >sound but
> > >> their supposed to add about 15 hp. If anyone has heard one of these
> > >systems
> > >> installed I would sure like to hear what they think.
> > >>
> > >> Mattb
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: Brandt Dennehy
> > >> To: 97up-list

ford-trucks.com
> > >> Date: Tuesday, December 22, 1998 2:32 PM
> > >> Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> >I have a Superduty V-10 and was also considering putting on a dual
> > >exhaust
> > >> >system and turbo muffler.....not to make it louder, but to up the
> > >> horsepower
> > >> >and fuel economy. A friend of mine did just what I described on
> > >his 460 V8
> > >> >and said he can definitely notice an improvement in power.
> Anybody
> > >out
> > >> >there ever do this and did it make a noticeable diff. in power
> or gas
> > >> >mileage? Anyone change the exhaust system on the V-10? Results?
> Any
> > >> input?
> > >> >Thanks, Brandt
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >-----Original Message-----
> > >> >From: Union Auto
> > >> >To: 97up-list

To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts

Registration is free, easy and gives you access to more features.
If you are not registered, click here to register.
If you are already registered, you can login here.

If you are already logged in and are seeing this message, your web browser is blocking session cookies. Change your browser cookie settings to allow session cookies.

Advertising - Terms of Use - Privacy Policy - Jobs

This forum is owned and operated by Internet Brands, Inc., a Delaware corporation. It is not authorized or endorsed by the Ford Motor Company and is not affiliated with the Ford Motor Company or its related companies in any way. Ford is a registered trademark of the Ford Motor Company.