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In this issue:

FTE 97up - Door seals
Re: FTE 97up - Door seals
Re: FTE 97up - Re: tires
FTE 97up - Re:Oil Filtration
FTE 97up - Re:Oil Filtration
FTE 97up - Rear Turn Signal Light
FTE 97up - Superchips
FTE 97up - Nathan - Question about tires
FTE 97up - Superchips
Re: FTE 97up - Door seals
Re: FTE 97up - Door seals
Re: FTE 97up - Nathan - Question about tires
FTE 97up - Brake drum rubbing noise
FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10
Re: FTE 97up - '97 F-350 Block heater
Re: FTE 97up - '97 F-350 Block heater
Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10
Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10
Re: FTE 97up - '97 F-350 Block heater
Re: FTE 97up - '97 F-350 Block heater
Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10
Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10
FTE 97up - Fisher Plows
Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10
Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10
Re: FTE 97up - Rear Turn Signal Light
Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10

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Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 07:15:08 -0600
From: Janster
Subject: FTE 97up - Door seals

Hi Folks,

Where I'm at, its starting to ice up. I heard you can clean and
lubricate the rubber door seals w/ Armor-All or something like that to
prevent the door from getting stuck shut in the cold. Any thoughts?
Nathan? This morning my garage door seal was really stuck due to the icy
conditions. Might have to try the same procedure on it at well.

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Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 09:19:39 -0500
From: Scot Evanson
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Door seals

It has always worked for me (Armor All).

SAE

Janster wrote:
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> Where I'm at, its starting to ice up. I heard you can clean and
> lubricate the rubber door seals w/ Armor-All or something like that to
> prevent the door from getting stuck shut in the cold. Any thoughts?
> Nathan? This morning my garage door seal was really stuck due to the icy
> conditions. Might have to try the same procedure on it at well.
>
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Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 07:37:55 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: tires

Go to www.tirerack.com , they are about the best source for info and help
when choosing tires. Their prices are also hard to beat.

Nathan Bernard
- -----Original Message-----
From: dfloyd fnord.com
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, December 21, 1998 6:29 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Chevy vs. Ford


>>
>> The F-150 had shorter tires than the Dodge And Chevy. That's what I
meant to
>> say the first time.
>
>This reminds me:
>
>I am looking for some good all-season (preferably rain tires like GE
Aquatread)
>for my F150. What royally annoyed at one tire shop is that the guy was
>trying to get me to buy car tires for the truck -- fat chance.
>
>What would be a good tire to get for an all-stock 4x2 '98 F150 that is the
>same size as the factories?
>
>TIA.
>
>>
>> David


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Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 10:00:43 -0500
From: Scot Evanson
Subject: FTE 97up - Re:Oil Filtration

Date:
Tue, 22 Dec 1998 09:07:13 -0500
From:
Scot Evanson
To:
97up-list ford-trucks.com
References:
1




You'd have to purchase that analysis kit every 3,000 miles. $17.99 plus
6% sales tax (conservative for most locals) = $19.06. Changing oil
every 21K yields 6 analysis kits (the oil is changed at 21: no kit
needed)


The towel kit costs per 21 K:

at the 21K mark (with the tissue and oil being changed at 21K)
- -6 Kits $114.36

- -16 quarts oil ( WalMart $.97 + tax) $16.45

- -1 roll towels $1.00

- -4 quarts oil to replace normal loss 1/qt/5K miles (conservative) plus
6 qts. for stock filter changes every 3K $11.64 (see next line)

- -7 filters (assume that it is changed at least every 3K $7 bucks)
$49. Not to do so may void warranty. Also, as I am not familiar with
the procedure for installation of the towel kit, I am assuming that the
stock filter remains. It must be changed out or risk plugging and going
to by-pass.



21K = 192.45 with the towels (with no charge for labor and no
amortization of the paper towel system)



Cost for normal changes (16 qts. 3K):

7 filters $49
112 qts. oil $115.17

21K = 164.17 for normal changes (with no charge for labor)


For many reasons it does not reason to extend the change interval.
Unless of course, your SD PSD is operating on an offshore oil rig....

SAE

**********************************************************************
Bud Feuless & Miki Magara WROTE:

> Please, you have to be kidding.. I can buy a mail-in kit from MDR for
> $17.99 which includes all lab fees and will get me results in 2 weeks,
> including historical analysis and that's RETAIL. Last time I checked, a
> roll of cheap-o paper towels costed less than a buck. Sooo... that's $18.99
> every 20,000 miles or so, rather than 3 to 5 gallons of diesel oil? Initial
> cost of the bypass filter system is absolutely not cheap, but lessens as a
> factor in overall cost of ownership if you consider keeping that engine for
> 500,000+ miles.
>
> I wish I had interest in the companies that sell these things. They are
> making money hand over fist in the commercial market and I think they have a
> product that really offers something to anyone who wants that level of
> protection and longevity in their equipment (truck=equipment, for some of
> us).
>
> Regards, Bud
>
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Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 10:03:44 -0500
From: Scot Evanson
Subject: FTE 97up - Re:Oil Filtration

Date:
Tue, 22 Dec 1998 09:07:13 -0500
From:
Scot Evanson
To:
97up-list ford-trucks.com
References:
1




You'd have to purchase that analysis kit every 3,000 miles. $17.99 plus
6% sales tax (conservative for most locals) = $19.06. Changing oil
every 21K yields 6 analysis kits (the oil is changed at 21: no kit
needed)


The towel kit costs per 21 K:

at the 21K mark (with the tissue and oil being changed at 21K)
- -6 Kits $114.36

- -16 quarts oil ( WalMart $.97 + tax) $16.45

- -1 roll towels $1.00

- -4 quarts oil to replace normal loss 1/qt/5K miles (conservative) plus
6 qts. for stock filter changes every 3K $11.64 (see next line)

- -7 filters (assume that it is changed at least every 3K $7 bucks)
$49. Not to do so may void warranty. Also, as I am not familiar with
the procedure for installation of the towel kit, I am assuming that the
stock filter remains. It must be changed out or risk plugging and going
to by-pass.



21K = 192.45 with the towels (with no charge for labor and no
amortization of the paper towel system)



Cost for normal changes (16 qts. 3K):

7 filters $49
112 qts. oil $115.17

21K = 164.17 for normal changes (with no charge for labor)


For many reasons it does not reason to extend the change interval.
Unless of course, your SD PSD is operating on an offshore oil rig....

SAE

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Bud Feuless & Miki Magara WROTE:

> Please, you have to be kidding.. I can buy a mail-in kit from MDR for
> $17.99 which includes all lab fees and will get me results in 2 weeks,
> including historical analysis and that's RETAIL. Last time I checked, a
> roll of cheap-o paper towels costed less than a buck. Sooo... that's $18.99
> every 20,000 miles or so, rather than 3 to 5 gallons of diesel oil? Initial
> cost of the bypass filter system is absolutely not cheap, but lessens as a
> factor in overall cost of ownership if you consider keeping that engine for
> 500,000+ miles.
>
> I wish I had interest in the companies that sell these things. They are
> making money hand over fist in the commercial market and I think they have a
> product that really offers something to anyone who wants that level of
> protection and longevity in their equipment (truck=equipment, for some of
> us).
>
> Regards, Bud
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Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 10:24:31 -0500
From: John Paul Stout
Subject: FTE 97up - Rear Turn Signal Light

Ok, so what do I need to do to change out a friggin turn signal on the back
right side of my 1998 Supercab F150?

I am NOT a tech junkie.. just need assistance.

Thanks & Merry ____________
holiday)

JP Stout
Atlanta, GA
1998 F150 XLT Black & Tan Supercab, K&N Air thingie, Leer XL100 Top Thing,
Chrome Westin Nurf Step Thingies, Towing Package
for hauling around my other half's crap, and a blown rear turn signal. Dammit.
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Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 10:59:37 EST
From: JPatte5238 aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Superchips

I am thinking of buying a superchip for my Powerstroke Diesel '99. My towing
needs are satisfied with strong power, and no transmission hunting. But what
I would really like to improve is the 0-30 mph range when empty. The truck is
a little sluggish at this point and hopefully a chip will help. Any concerns
that I should keep in mind? A new superchip is about $400 smackers for the
psd!

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Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 10:13:00 -0600
From: "Mike Fairleigh"
Subject: FTE 97up - Nathan - Question about tires

Nathan, I checked out tirerack.com per your advice - I'd never heard of it
before - and it is indeed one of the best web sites of any kind of ever
seen.

Out of curiosity, I looked up the tires that came on my '98 F-150 (Wrangler
AP's, P255-70-16 OWL) just to see what their replacement cost would be
through tirerack. To my surprise, they had separate listings for that tire,
shown as "black," "black/Ford," and "OWL/Ford." I called tirerack to see
why they had separate listings for Ford. They said the Ford OEM tire may
have a separate compound in order to be "certified" by Ford. Can you
provide any more insight on this issue? Would you expect that there is
truly a difference between the "Ford" tire and the equivalently-named
"non-Ford" tire? If, at replacement time, I choose to replace the tires
with something other than the OEM tire, am I running a risk of having
problems with Ford if I have suspension problems, etc.?

Anyway, this IS a great site and I was surprised at their prices - if I were
to replace my tires today with the OEM tires from tirerack, I'd save about
$125 compared with the lowest price I've found here in Kansas City, after
figuring for shipping and installation.

Thanks, Nathan.

Mike Fairleigh
mikef sky.net
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Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 08:22:02 -0800
From: "Michael D. Sheridan"
Subject: FTE 97up - Superchips

I am wondering where to look for superchips
and a tester to test the computer on the
99 model Ford trucks. Anyone?

Michael
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Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 11:46:13 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Door seals

I'd recommend armor all or a silicone lubricant. These seem to work as well
as anything. It also doesn't hurt to put some graphite lubricant in the
lock cylinders.

Nathan

- -----Original Message-----
From: Janster
To: Off Road List ; 97 up list

Date: Tuesday, December 22, 1998 7:26 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - Door seals


>Hi Folks,
>
>Where I'm at, its starting to ice up. I heard you can clean and
>lubricate the rubber door seals w/ Armor-All or something like that to
>prevent the door from getting stuck shut in the cold. Any thoughts?
>Nathan? This morning my garage door seal was really stuck due to the icy
>conditions. Might have to try the same procedure on it at well.


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Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 12:07:21 -0600
From: "Mike Fairleigh"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Door seals

For door seals, I use spray silicone. It's good for the rubber anytime, not
just in winter. In fact, I think it's recommended in the owner's manual -
at least some of the mfr's used to recommend using it once or twice a year.
It's available in good hardware stores. I think Wal-Mart even sells it.

Mike Fairleigh
mikef sky.net

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From: Union Auto
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, December 22, 1998 11:51 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Door seals


>I'd recommend armor all or a silicone lubricant. These seem to work as
well
>as anything. It also doesn't hurt to put some graphite lubricant in the
>lock cylinders.
>
>Nathan
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Janster
>To: Off Road List ; 97 up list
>
>Date: Tuesday, December 22, 1998 7:26 AM
>Subject: FTE 97up - Door seals
>
>
>>Hi Folks,
>>
>>Where I'm at, its starting to ice up. I heard you can clean and
>>lubricate the rubber door seals w/ Armor-All or something like that to
>>prevent the door from getting stuck shut in the cold. Any thoughts?
>>Nathan? This morning my garage door seal was really stuck due to the icy
>>conditions. Might have to try the same procedure on it at well.
>
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Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 13:16:51 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Nathan - Question about tires

Many times the tires for a certain vehicle will have a slightly different
tread compound. By replacing it with a different tire, you may loose a few
miles of life expectancy or loose a little traction. Ford must have wanted
a tire with more traction (or more life and less traction) than the standard
tire so they had Goodyear build one. On a side note, Ford has announced
that the all season LT tires won't be available on 2wd F-150's because they
are using a harder compound on the normal tires so the LT won't be
necessary.

Back to the OEM tire thing, Certain cars (mostly Jap cars) build a pull into
the alignment specs of the car and then have a tire with a radial pull to
make the car drive straight. On these vehicles, you need to have the OEM
tires or it won't drive as well as it did with them. To my knowledge Ford
has no vehicles like this, but Goodyear dealers should be able to tell you.

Nathan Bernard

- -----Original Message-----
From: Mike Fairleigh
To: 97 & Up Ford Trucks Mailing List
Date: Tuesday, December 22, 1998 10:22 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - Nathan - Question about tires


>Nathan, I checked out tirerack.com per your advice - I'd never heard of it
>before - and it is indeed one of the best web sites of any kind of ever
>seen.
>
>Out of curiosity, I looked up the tires that came on my '98 F-150 (Wrangler
>AP's, P255-70-16 OWL) just to see what their replacement cost would be
>through tirerack. To my surprise, they had separate listings for that
tire,
>shown as "black," "black/Ford," and "OWL/Ford." I called tirerack to see
>why they had separate listings for Ford. They said the Ford OEM tire may
>have a separate compound in order to be "certified" by Ford. Can you
>provide any more insight on this issue? Would you expect that there is
>truly a difference between the "Ford" tire and the equivalently-named
>"non-Ford" tire? If, at replacement time, I choose to replace the tires
>with something other than the OEM tire, am I running a risk of having
>problems with Ford if I have suspension problems, etc.?
>
>Anyway, this IS a great site and I was surprised at their prices - if I
were
>to replace my tires today with the OEM tires from tirerack, I'd save about
>$125 compared with the lowest price I've found here in Kansas City, after
>figuring for shipping and installation.
>
>Thanks, Nathan.
>
>Mike Fairleigh
>mikef sky.net
>...Always remembering our veterans.


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Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 16:22:42 -0500
From: Larry Hackler
Subject: FTE 97up - Brake drum rubbing noise

I had a rubbing noise when I put on my brakes that went shu -shu- shu in time
with the wheel rotation at 1500 miles and took it in to the Ford dealer and they
diagnosed it as a faulty rear brake drum. They replaced it and the pads at no
charge. They mentioned that it was a TSB and it had to do with the drums being
made out of poor (under spec) material. Well I have the same thing and took it
in again this morning. Went with the service technician when he test drove it
and he mentioned that he had
to machine the new replacement drums because the surface of the new drum was so
rough.

They just called and said they have looked at the pads and drums in the rear and
the pads and rotors and bearings in the front and cannot find the answer.

Does anyone have an idea about what else it might be?

I have a 1999 F-150 XLT 4x4 SC with the 5.4l engine, 4 wheel ABS (rear drum),
3.55 LS rear.

Thanks,

Larry




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Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 14:40:49 -0700
From: Keith Srb
Subject: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10

FORWARDED FOR: "Kirk Werner"

I used to s*bscribe to Dodge Ram mailing list, and the V10 owners there
spoke of their disappointment in getting a good tone out of the V10, no
matter what type of cat-back exhaust they installed. One guy who installed
one of the after market performance exhausts described the tone as "a mad
swarm of bees" at best. As I understand it, you just won't get the good old
"V-8 rumble" that Americans have grown to love. Maybe the Triton can attain
a better tone than the Dodge...?
>---------------
>- -----Original Message-----
>From: Keith Veren [mailto:Spectrum-EHS worldnet.att.net]
>Sent: Monday, December 21, 1998 12:00 AM
>To: Ford Truck Mailing List
>Subject: FTE 97up - SuperDuty V-10
>
>
>Has anyone yet put a K&N filter (or Generation II K&N Filter and Airbox) and
>Borla or gibson Cat-Back on the V-10 SuperDuty? I did both to my 5.4L
>Expedition and am happy with the sound and performance so far. Still
>looking for aftermarket goodies for the V-10 (4X4) F-350, but some vendors,
>eg., Performance Products, do not yet carry anything for the '99
>SuperDuties.

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Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 16:32:23 EST
From: RAMWORKER aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - '97 F-350 Block heater

Hi Guys,

One of my coworkers here has a '97 F-350 PSD and needs to know where the cord
for the block heater is located. Her husband and I have both looked for it and
been unsuccessful, and it's waaay too cold here in Texas to spend much time
looking for it. Any suggestions on where to find it?

Best Regards,
Robert
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Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 13:41:15 -0800
From: johny
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - '97 F-350 Block heater

Look under the drivers side battery. Could be ty-wrapped underneath.

The 99's have them by the drivers side tow hook, just behind the middle
bumper opening. In both cases there may be a cover over the plug,
which makes it that much harder to see/feel for.

RAMWORKER aol.com wrote:

> Hi Guys,
>
> One of my coworkers here has a '97 F-350 PSD and needs to know where the cord
> for the block heater is located. Her husband and I have both looked for it and
> been unsuccessful, and it's waaay too cold here in Texas to spend much time
> looking for it. Any suggestions on where to find it?
>
> Best Regards,
> Robert
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Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 15:55:08 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10

The Ford will sound different than the Dodge (although I don't know if it
will sound "good" or not) because the Dodge uses an odd firing order (like a
V-6) where Ford has an even firing order so it will have less of a stumble
sound.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Keith Srb
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, December 22, 1998 3:43 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10


>FORWARDED FOR: "Kirk Werner"
>
>I used to s*bscribe to Dodge Ram mailing list, and the V10 owners there
>spoke of their disappointment in getting a good tone out of the V10, no
>matter what type of cat-back exhaust they installed. One guy who installed
>one of the after market performance exhausts described the tone as "a mad
>swarm of bees" at best. As I understand it, you just won't get the good
old
>"V-8 rumble" that Americans have grown to love. Maybe the Triton can
attain
>a better tone than the Dodge...?
>>---------------
>>- -----Original Message-----


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Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 15:21:12 -0700
From: "Brandt Dennehy"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10

I have a Superduty V-10 and was also considering putting on a dual exhaust
system and turbo muffler.....not to make it louder, but to up the horsepower
and fuel economy. A friend of mine did just what I described on his 460 V8
and said he can definitely notice an improvement in power. Anybody out
there ever do this and did it make a noticeable diff. in power or gas
mileage? Anyone change the exhaust system on the V-10? Results? Any input?
Thanks, Brandt


- -----Original Message-----
From: Union Auto
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, December 22, 1998 3:12 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10


>The Ford will sound different than the Dodge (although I don't know if it
>will sound "good" or not) because the Dodge uses an odd firing order (like
a
>V-6) where Ford has an even firing order so it will have less of a stumble
>sound.
>
>Nathan Bernard
>Union Auto, Inc.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Keith Srb
>To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>Date: Tuesday, December 22, 1998 3:43 PM
>Subject: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10
>
>
>>FORWARDED FOR: "Kirk Werner"
>>
>>I used to s*bscribe to Dodge Ram mailing list, and the V10 owners there
>>spoke of their disappointment in getting a good tone out of the V10, no
>>matter what type of cat-back exhaust they installed. One guy who
installed
>>one of the after market performance exhausts described the tone as "a mad
>>swarm of bees" at best. As I understand it, you just won't get the good
>old
>>"V-8 rumble" that Americans have grown to love. Maybe the Triton can
>attain
>>a better tone than the Dodge...?
>>>---------------
>>>- -----Original Message-----
>
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Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 18:33:18 EST
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - '97 F-350 Block heater

In a message dated 12/22/98 4:41:53 PM Eastern Standard Time,
RAMWORKER aol.com writes:

I had the same dam problem when i picked my F 250 4x4 PSD from dealer, took us
10 min to find it, mine was in the bumper or grill opening in front tied out
of the way. Its hard to see it has a cap on end of prong plug and its all
black. Not like i am going to need it in FL anyhow.

RS
99 F 250 4x4 PSD SC
9sec93cobra

Hi Guys,

One of my coworkers here has a '97 F-350 PSD and needs to know where the
cord
for the block heater is located. Her husband and I have both looked for it
and
been unsuccessful, and it's waaay too cold here in Texas to spend much time
looking for it. Any suggestions on where to find it?

Best Regards,
Rober >>
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Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 16:03:53 PST
From: "Frank Spor"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - '97 F-350 Block heater

I guess that should make all you "heater delete" Folks think twice....

MERRY CHRISTMAS

Frank



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Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 18:45:48 -0800
From: "Matt Bailey"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10

I have done some snooping around for a cat-back exhaust for my Super Duty
V-10. Borla makes a cat-back dual system for about $600, Gibson makes a
cat-back single similar to OE only 3" with straight thru muffler for about
$300. I can't find anyone who has installed one to see how they sound but
their supposed to add about 15 hp. If anyone has heard one of these systems
installed I would sure like to hear what they think.

Mattb


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From: Brandt Dennehy
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, December 22, 1998 2:32 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10


>I have a Superduty V-10 and was also considering putting on a dual exhaust
>system and turbo muffler.....not to make it louder, but to up the
horsepower
>and fuel economy. A friend of mine did just what I described on his 460 V8
>and said he can definitely notice an improvement in power. Anybody out
>there ever do this and did it make a noticeable diff. in power or gas
>mileage? Anyone change the exhaust system on the V-10? Results? Any
input?
>Thanks, Brandt
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Union Auto
>To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>Date: Tuesday, December 22, 1998 3:12 PM
>Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10
>
>
>>The Ford will sound different than the Dodge (although I don't know if it
>>will sound "good" or not) because the Dodge uses an odd firing order (like
>a
>>V-6) where Ford has an even firing order so it will have less of a stumble
>>sound.
>>
>>Nathan Bernard
>>Union Auto, Inc.
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Keith Srb
>>To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>>Date: Tuesday, December 22, 1998 3:43 PM
>>Subject: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10
>>
>>
>>>FORWARDED FOR: "Kirk Werner"
>>>
>>>I used to s*bscribe to Dodge Ram mailing list, and the V10 owners there
>>>spoke of their disappointment in getting a good tone out of the V10, no
>>>matter what type of cat-back exhaust they installed. One guy who
>installed
>>>one of the after market performance exhausts described the tone as "a mad
>>>swarm of bees" at best. As I understand it, you just won't get the good
>>old
>>>"V-8 rumble" that Americans have grown to love. Maybe the Triton can
>>attain
>>>a better tone than the Dodge...?
>>>>---------------
>>>>- -----Original Message-----
>>
>>
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Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 22:02:20 -0500
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10

Make sure you also change air filters to increase air flow or you will limit
the usefulness of your increased exhaust flow. I have had my truck
(Expedition w/5.4L) on the dyno and with K&N air filter no difference
however, with Borla exhaust and K&N feels much better (have not "re-dynoed"
yet with both K&N and Borla). One without the other will probably not gain
you much. Also, check the restriction of the airbox. K&N also makes
open-element filter systems for some vehicles now.


Keith


- -----Original Message-----
From: Matt Bailey
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, December 22, 1998 9:40 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10


>I have done some snooping around for a cat-back exhaust for my Super Duty
>V-10. Borla makes a cat-back dual system for about $600, Gibson makes a
>cat-back single similar to OE only 3" with straight thru muffler for about
>$300. I can't find anyone who has installed one to see how they sound but
>their supposed to add about 15 hp. If anyone has heard one of these systems
>installed I would sure like to hear what they think.
>
>Mattb
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Brandt Dennehy
>To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>Date: Tuesday, December 22, 1998 2:32 PM
>Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10
>
>
>>I have a Superduty V-10 and was also considering putting on a dual exhaust
>>system and turbo muffler.....not to make it louder, but to up the
>horsepower
>>and fuel economy. A friend of mine did just what I described on his 460
V8
>>and said he can definitely notice an improvement in power. Anybody out
>>there ever do this and did it make a noticeable diff. in power or gas
>>mileage? Anyone change the exhaust system on the V-10? Results? Any
>input?
>>Thanks, Brandt
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Union Auto
>>To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>>Date: Tuesday, December 22, 1998 3:12 PM
>>Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10
>>
>>
>>>The Ford will sound different than the Dodge (although I don't know if it
>>>will sound "good" or not) because the Dodge uses an odd firing order
(like
>>a
>>>V-6) where Ford has an even firing order so it will have less of a
stumble
>>>sound.
>>>
>>>Nathan Bernard
>>>Union Auto, Inc.
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Keith Srb
>>>To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>>>Date: Tuesday, December 22, 1998 3:43 PM
>>>Subject: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10
>>>
>>>
>>>>FORWARDED FOR: "Kirk Werner"
>>>>
>>>>I used to s*bscribe to Dodge Ram mailing list, and the V10 owners there
>>>>spoke of their disappointment in getting a good tone out of the V10, no
>>>>matter what type of cat-back exhaust they installed. One guy who
>>installed
>>>>one of the after market performance exhausts described the tone as "a
mad
>>>>swarm of bees" at best. As I understand it, you just won't get the good
>>>old
>>>>"V-8 rumble" that Americans have grown to love. Maybe the Triton can
>>>attain
>>>>a better tone than the Dodge...?
>>>>>---------------
>>>>>- -----Original Message-----
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 22:10:51 -0500
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: FTE 97up - Fisher Plows

I am having a fisher Plow with the "Minute-Mount" system installed on my new
F-350 SuperDuty 4X4 V-10 SuperCab LongBed. The plow receiver mounts are
permanently installed to the front frame kind of hidden below under the
front bumper / under the radiator. Does anyone out there know if anyone
makes an aftermarket brushguard that would utilize the front plow mounts so
I could have a nice brushguard in the summer, then take it off and put the
plow on the same mounts in the winter?? I am also sending this to the
Expedition mailing list because Fisher just came out with smaller 6-1/2, 7
and 7-1/2 foot plows, some that fit Toyota 4X4s, so if anyone has added a
plow to their Expedition with the minute Mount system, please let me know.
Thanks.


Keith

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Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 19:11:47 -0800 (PST)
From: richard coleman
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10

Has anybody heard about a "secret" recall on the 99 f-250 superduty
v-10? I special ordered one, but when it came into Dallas, the dealer
had to send it back to ford for a recall. The dealer will not tell
what the recall is about, nor can anybody that I have talked to at
ford! If it is this serious of a problem that they had to ship it all
the way back to the plant and wont tell me why, it makes me wonder if
I even want that truck or find another one that was built pre-recall.
Any help is greatly appreciated(as are sugestions on how to find out
the answer)
Thanks for your help
Richard Coleman




- ---Matt Bailey wrote:
>
> I have done some snooping around for a cat-back exhaust for my Super
Duty
> V-10. Borla makes a cat-back dual system for about $600, Gibson
makes a
> cat-back single similar to OE only 3" with straight thru muffler for
about
> $300. I can't find anyone who has installed one to see how they
sound but
> their supposed to add about 15 hp. If anyone has heard one of these
systems
> installed I would sure like to hear what they think.
>
> Mattb
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brandt Dennehy
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Date: Tuesday, December 22, 1998 2:32 PM
> Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10
>
>
> >I have a Superduty V-10 and was also considering putting on a dual
exhaust
> >system and turbo muffler.....not to make it louder, but to up the
> horsepower
> >and fuel economy. A friend of mine did just what I described on
his 460 V8
> >and said he can definitely notice an improvement in power. Anybody
out
> >there ever do this and did it make a noticeable diff. in power or gas
> >mileage? Anyone change the exhaust system on the V-10? Results? Any
> input?
> >Thanks, Brandt
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Union Auto
> >To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> >Date: Tuesday, December 22, 1998 3:12 PM
> >Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10
> >
> >
> >>The Ford will sound different than the Dodge (although I don't
know if it
> >>will sound "good" or not) because the Dodge uses an odd firing
order (like
> >a
> >>V-6) where Ford has an even firing order so it will have less of a
stumble
> >>sound.
> >>
> >>Nathan Bernard
> >>Union Auto, Inc.
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: Keith Srb
> >>To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> >>Date: Tuesday, December 22, 1998 3:43 PM
> >>Subject: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10
> >>
> >>
> >>>FORWARDED FOR: "Kirk Werner"
> >>>
> >>>I used to s*bscribe to Dodge Ram mailing list, and the V10 owners
there
> >>>spoke of their disappointment in getting a good tone out of the
V10, no
> >>>matter what type of cat-back exhaust they installed. One guy who
> >installed
> >>>one of the after market performance exhausts described the tone
as "a mad
> >>>swarm of bees" at best. As I understand it, you just won't get
the good
> >>old
> >>>"V-8 rumble" that Americans have grown to love. Maybe the Triton
can
> >>attain
> >>>a better tone than the Dodge...?
> >>>>---------------
> >>>>- -----Original Message-----
> >>
> >>
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http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html
> >>
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Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 19:11:47 -0800 (PST)
From: richard coleman
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10

Has anybody heard about a "secret" recall on the 99 f-250 superduty
v-10? I special ordered one, but when it came into Dallas, the dealer
had to send it back to ford for a recall. The dealer will not tell
what the recall is about, nor can anybody that I have talked to at
ford! If it is this serious of a problem that they had to ship it all
the way back to the plant and wont tell me why, it makes me wonder if
I even want that truck or find another one that was built pre-recall.
Any help is greatly appreciated(as are sugestions on how to find out
the answer)
Thanks for your help
Richard Coleman




- ---Matt Bailey wrote:
>
> I have done some snooping around for a cat-back exhaust for my Super
Duty
> V-10. Borla makes a cat-back dual system for about $600, Gibson
makes a
> cat-back single similar to OE only 3" with straight thru muffler for
about
> $300. I can't find anyone who has installed one to see how they
sound but
> their supposed to add about 15 hp. If anyone has heard one of these
systems
> installed I would sure like to hear what they think.
>
> Mattb
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brandt Dennehy
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Date: Tuesday, December 22, 1998 2:32 PM
> Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10
>
>
> >I have a Superduty V-10 and was also considering putting on a dual
exhaust
> >system and turbo muffler.....not to make it louder, but to up the
> horsepower
> >and fuel economy. A friend of mine did just what I described on
his 460 V8
> >and said he can definitely notice an improvement in power. Anybody
out
> >there ever do this and did it make a noticeable diff. in power or gas
> >mileage? Anyone change the exhaust system on the V-10? Results? Any
> input?
> >Thanks, Brandt
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Union Auto
> >To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> >Date: Tuesday, December 22, 1998 3:12 PM
> >Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10
> >
> >
> >>The Ford will sound different than the Dodge (although I don't
know if it
> >>will sound "good" or not) because the Dodge uses an odd firing
order (like
> >a
> >>V-6) where Ford has an even firing order so it will have less of a
stumble
> >>sound.
> >>
> >>Nathan Bernard
> >>Union Auto, Inc.
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: Keith Srb
> >>To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> >>Date: Tuesday, December 22, 1998 3:43 PM
> >>Subject: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10
> >>
> >>
> >>>FORWARDED FOR: "Kirk Werner"
> >>>
> >>>I used to s*bscribe to Dodge Ram mailing list, and the V10 owners
there
> >>>spoke of their disappointment in getting a good tone out of the
V10, no
> >>>matter what type of cat-back exhaust they installed. One guy who
> >installed
> >>>one of the after market performance exhausts described the tone
as "a mad
> >>>swarm of bees" at best. As I understand it, you just won't get
the good
> >>old
> >>>"V-8 rumble" that Americans have grown to love. Maybe the Triton
can
> >>attain
> >>>a better tone than the Dodge...?
> >>>>---------------
> >>>>- -----Original Message-----
> >>
> >>
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http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html
> >>
> >
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Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 23:46:03 -0500
From: Jean Marc Chartier
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Rear Turn Signal Light

John Paul Stout wrote:
>
> Ok, so what do I need to do to change out a friggin turn signal on the back
> right side of my 1998 Supercab F150?
>
> I am NOT a tech junkie.. just need assistance.
>
> Thanks & Merry ____________
> holiday)
>
> JP Stout
> Atlanta, GA
> 1998 F150 XLT Black & Tan Supercab, K&N Air thingie, Leer XL100 Top Thing,
> Chrome Westin Nurf Step Thingies, Towing Package
> for hauling around my other half's crap, and a blown rear turn signal. Dammit.
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John Paul,

Open the tail gate, remove the 2 bolts holding the
assembly and pry it off. It is held in with two tabs that
pop out when you pull.

Regards

Jean Marc Chartier
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Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 21:10:16 -0800
From: "Matt Bailey"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10

Keith,

Is your Expedition Borla exhaust a single or dual? How does the 5.4 sound
with it installed?

Mattb


- -----Original Message-----
From: Keith Veren
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, December 22, 1998 7:11 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10


>Make sure you also change air filters to increase air flow or you will
limit
>the usefulness of your increased exhaust flow. I have had my truck
>(Expedition w/5.4L) on the dyno and with K&N air filter no difference
>however, with Borla exhaust and K&N feels much better (have not "re-dynoed"
>yet with both K&N and Borla). One without the other will probably not gain
>you much. Also, check the restriction of the airbox. K&N also makes
>open-element filter systems for some vehicles now.
>
>
>Keith
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Matt Bailey
>To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>Date: Tuesday, December 22, 1998 9:40 PM
>Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10
>
>
>>I have done some snooping around for a cat-back exhaust for my Super Duty
>>V-10. Borla makes a cat-back dual system for about $600, Gibson makes a
>>cat-back single similar to OE only 3" with straight thru muffler for about
>>$300. I can't find anyone who has installed one to see how they sound but
>>their supposed to add about 15 hp. If anyone has heard one of these
systems
>>installed I would sure like to hear what they think.
>>
>>Mattb
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Brandt Dennehy
>>To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>>Date: Tuesday, December 22, 1998 2:32 PM
>>Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Exhaust for V10
>>
>>
>>>I have a Superduty V-10 and was also considering putting on a dual
exhaust
>>>system and turbo muffler.....not to make it louder, but to up the
>>horsepower
>>>and fuel economy. A friend of mine did just what I described on his 460
>V8
>>>and said he can definitely notice an improvement in power. Anybody out
>>>there ever do this and did it make a noticeable diff. in power or gas
>>>mileage? Anyone change the exhaust system on the V-10? Results? Any
>>input?....

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