97up-list-digest Tuesday, December 22 1998 Volume 01 : Number 317



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In this issue:

RE: FTE 97up - SuperDuty V-10
Re: FTE 97up - 99 SD V-10 A/T Slimmy Shifting
Re: FTE 97up - Cross/Saddle Tool Boxes
FTE 97up - re: engine noise 99 F350 psd
Re: FTE 97up - Re: Chevy vs. Ford
Re: FTE 97up - re: engine noise 99 F350 V-10 / 5.4L Expedition / PSD
FTE 97up - Re:Oil Filtration
FTE 97up - Re: Yippee!!!

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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 07:43:28 -0500
From: "Suarez, William"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - SuperDuty V-10

Keith,

I have a '97 F150 4x4 SC that I sprayed a Rhino Lining into when it was
about a month old. I HIGHLY recommend a good sprayed in lining over any
"conventional" bed liner. Check them out at: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.rhinolinings.com/

Pros:
There is virtually no maintenance
Cleans out with a hose
The color match to your truck (if you want them to)
They provide a relatively non-skid surface so things don't go sliding about
They do provide some sound deadening
Lifetime warranty on the better providers

Cons:
About the only one is that they cost a little more but I believe they are
well worth the investment.

I've been told that the only thing that will "soften" or "attack" the
coating is brake fluid. I actually spilled some in my bed once but didn't
seem to have any negative effects on the lining. Just mopped it up.

I, too, have been looking for aftermarket "goodies" while waiting on my SD.

Regards,

Bill Suarez


- -----Original Message-----
From: Keith Veren [mailto:Spectrum-EHS worldnet.att.net]
Sent: Monday, December 21, 1998 12:00 AM
To: Ford Truck Mailing List
Subject: FTE 97up - SuperDuty V-10


Has anyone yet put a K&N filter (or Generation II K&N Filter and Airbox) and
Borla or gibson Cat-Back on the V-10 SuperDuty? I did both to my 5.4L
Expedition and am happy with the sound and performance so far. Still
looking for aftermarket goodies for the V-10 (4X4) F-350, but some vendors,
eg., Performance Products, do not yet carry anything for the '99
SuperDuties.


Keith

P.S. Has anyone tried the spray on bedliners I have seen advertised?? I
have a regular bedliner and am wondering if the spray on type will provide
sound deadening and prevent surface rust.

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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 07:57:51 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 99 SD V-10 A/T Slimmy Shifting

The transmission is controlled by the same computer as the engine so it will
learn a little and shift slightly better with some miles.The E4OD and 4R100
both shift too soft for my tastes. Ford does that because of the amount of
torque that the V-10 and PSD make could cause problems if it banged gears
hard enough with a load on. I've tried the B&M Shift plus and wasn't very
happy with this. It makes gears hit hard when you let off the throttle but
on full throttle shifts it is about the same. I have a with a 5.4L with a
Superchip in it and this helps a little but still not enough. We put a B&M
shift kit in our F-150 snow plow truck and this really does the trick. I
don't know if they make one for the 4R100 yet, but when they do I'd
recommend it.

Nathan Bernard

- -----Original Message-----
From: Matt Bailey
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, December 21, 1998 12:24 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 99 SD V-10 A/T Slimmy Shifting


>Thanks for the advice, I didn't realize that the trany needed training like
>the engine. I will try some manual shifting and see if it makes any
>difference, the truck only has 700 miles on it as of today so maybe it's
>still trainable.
>
>Mattb
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Keith Veren
>To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>Date: Sunday, December 20, 1998 9:02 PM
>Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 99 SD V-10 A/T Slimmy Shifting
>
>
>>I have the same truck as you, mine shifts better now that I have "trained"
>>it. Play around with manually shifting from low to 2nd to drive while
>>taking off from a light, also turn the overdrive off for a while and try
>>different combinations of up and downshifting. You really can train it
>>somewhat, but to get it to "bang" into the next gear you will probably
need
>>an aftermarket chip.
>>
>>
>>Keith
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Matt Bailey
>>To: Ford Truck Mailing List
>>Date: Sunday, December 20, 1998 10:20 PM
>>Subject: FTE 97up - 99 SD V-10 A/T Slimmy Shifting
>>
>>
>>>I recently purchased a 99 SD V-10 the 4 speed A/T. I really like the
truck
>>>except for one thing, I don't like the way it swifts, much too soft, it
>>>really sliiiiiiides into gear. When your cruising around 40 mph and then
>>>accelerate hard, it will shift down the way it should but once it gets
>into
>>>2nd gear it almost feels like it's slipping for a couple of seconds then
>it
>>>starts to pull away real hard. Has anyone else experience this? Is there
>>>anyway to adjust the way it shifts? I would like to have it shift like my
>>>old Chevy almost bang into gear. I know the clutches in this new 4 speed
>>>trany can't last too long if it continues to shift this way.
>>>
>>>Mattb
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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 09:07:19 -0600
From: "Charles Abraham"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Cross/Saddle Tool Boxes

Frank,

Adams Enterprises (trailers and hitches), in McHenry county Illinois (also
where the
Knaack company is located), give me a quote of $451.80 on the #124 and $432
on the
#R-127, which I'm leaning toward because of full length accessibility for
longer objects.

Charles.

Frank Spor wrote:

> I personally like the weather guard model 114.....LOTS of room....for a
> short truck, you should get model 124....$502.
>
> Definetely worth the money, Great locks.... But they seem to be fair
> traded....($537) everywhere I have called....
>
> I have a delta steel tool box Mod#901000 on my current truck, and it is
> also VERY serviceable,
>
> But it does not match the weatherguard R174's, and They will match on my
> new truck.
> Frank
>
>



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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 19:08:39 -0500
From: John Edward Nichols
Subject: FTE 97up - re: engine noise 99 F350 psd

Nathan thanks for your response. My truck is an f350 CC 4WD PSD with
the four speed automatic. It was manufactured on 1-12-98 and it
currently
has 15,000 miles. It usually makes the noise after it has been driven
and then
shut down for a couple of hours and then re-started. I thought that it
was being
caused by the clutch fan so I removed the it but the noise is still
there. The noise
started this spring when I bought the truck but seemed to go away this
summer
when it got warm out but started again when the temp. cooled again. I
am now
thinking that it may be the fast warm up valve on the turbo or maybe the
torque
converter. From inside the cab it seems to be coming from the left side
under the hood.
Any help would be appreciated.

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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 18:19:27 -0600 (CST)
From: dfloyd fnord.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Chevy vs. Ford

>
> The F-150 had shorter tires than the Dodge And Chevy. That's what I meant to
> say the first time.

This reminds me:

I am looking for some good all-season (preferably rain tires like GE Aquatread)
for my F150. What royally annoyed at one tire shop is that the guy was
trying to get me to buy car tires for the truck -- fat chance.

What would be a good tire to get for an all-stock 4x2 '98 F150 that is the
same size as the factories?

TIA.

>
> David
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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 19:37:44 -0500
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - re: engine noise 99 F350 V-10 / 5.4L Expedition / PSD

When you have an engine with a serpentine belt (I have a 5.4L in my
Expedition and the V-10 in my '99 F-350 SuperDuty) anytime you get any noise
that changes with the RPMs, check or change the belt. This has worked twice
for me. The most recent was after washing the engine, my 5.4L was going
"tack-tack-tack" real loud, sounded like a broken valve. Squirted water on
the engine (gently) while running and the noise went away, so we knew it was
the serpentine belt. Once a new belt was put on, all noise stopped, sounded
like new again. The belt we took off only had 5,000 miles on it and it
looked new. Why it made noise, no-one was able to figure out, but it was
the cause!


Keith



- -----Original Message-----
From: John Edward Nichols
To: 97up-list-digest ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, December 21, 1998 7:11 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - re: engine noise 99 F350 psd


>Nathan thanks for your response. My truck is an f350 CC 4WD PSD with
>the four speed automatic. It was manufactured on 1-12-98 and it
>currently
>has 15,000 miles. It usually makes the noise after it has been driven
>and then
>shut down for a couple of hours and then re-started. I thought that it
>was being
>caused by the clutch fan so I removed the it but the noise is still
>there. The noise
>started this spring when I bought the truck but seemed to go away this
>summer
>when it got warm out but started again when the temp. cooled again. I
>am now
>thinking that it may be the fast warm up valve on the turbo or maybe the
>torque
>converter. From inside the cab it seems to be coming from the left side
>under the hood.
>Any help would be appreciated.
>
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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 20:25:19 -0600
From: "Bud Feuless & Miki Magara"
Subject: FTE 97up - Re:Oil Filtration

In response to:

>That guy must have had an inside interest in the TP canister setup or a
>paper mill. You took the words right off of my screen!
>Spectrochromatic oil analysis is not cheap!

Please, you have to be kidding.. I can buy a mail-in kit from MDR for
$17.99 which includes all lab fees and will get me results in 2 weeks,
including historical analysis and that's RETAIL. Last time I checked, a
roll of cheap-o paper towels costed less than a buck. Sooo... that's $18.99
every 20,000 miles or so, rather than 3 to 5 gallons of diesel oil? Initial
cost of the bypass filter system is absolutely not cheap, but lessens as a
factor in overall cost of ownership if you consider keeping that engine for
500,000+ miles.

I wish I had interest in the companies that sell these things. They are
making money hand over fist in the commercial market and I think they have a
product that really offers something to anyone who wants that level of
protection and longevity in their equipment (truck=equipment, for some of
us).

Regards, Bud


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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 20:30:49 -0600
From: "Bud Feuless & Miki Magara"
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Yippee!!!

I only placed my order for an F-250 SD, PSD Lariat, short bed, 4x4,
Off-Road, all the goodies on 12/1. I mentioned earlier that it was on hold
because of the Cold Weather Delete option. Well, as of now I have a build
date of 01/17 and I have my VIN. Things seem to be looking up in terms of....


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