97up-list-digest Monday, December 21 1998 Volume 01 : Number 316



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In this issue:

FTE 97up - Re: Oil Filtration / Jean Marc Chartier
FTE 97up - Jan 99 Car & Driver F-150 Test
FTE 97up - Re: Jan 99 Car & Driver F-150 Test
Re: FTE 97up - 4.6 Rough idle
FTE 97up - Re: Chevy vs. Ford
FTE 97up - explorer list
Re: FTE 97up - Re: Chevy vs. Ford
FTE 97up - 99 SD V-10 A/T Slimmy Shifting
Re: FTE 97up - 99 SD V-10 A/T Slimmy Shifting
FTE 97up - SuperDuty V-10
Re: FTE 97up - 99 SD V-10 A/T Slimmy Shifting

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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 08:57:04 -0800
From: Rod Loewen
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Oil Filtration / Jean Marc Chartier

Well, now, I don't know what the oil analysis cost. The invoices go
directly to the head office and the maintenance department likes to see
them as they indicate the need for work on the engine and down time in
the future which can be planned and budgeted for.

I mentioned that I don't do it on my own truck. On small engines that
use 16 litres or less why not just put in fresh oil instead of paying
for a sample and waiting for the results? I can't see the value on doing
it with my PSD unless I suspect problems like contamination or
something. With large engines that use two or three barrels of oil, the
price consideration is a slightly bigger factor. The real issue is
downtime. These engines are drivers moving product and downtime equals
lost revenue, even short periods for oil changes. Oil is cheap, downtime
is not. My truck has lots of stopped time for me to service it.
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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 11:20:20 -0500
From: Mark Lee
Subject: FTE 97up - Jan 99 Car & Driver F-150 Test

See http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.caranddriver.com/
for Jan 99 test of F-150 for those who are interested...
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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 11:25:01 -0500
From: Mark Lee
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Jan 99 Car & Driver F-150 Test

Sorry, forgot to mention...click "road tests" at top of C&D home
page....

Mark Lee wrote:
>
> See http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.caranddriver.com/
> for Jan 99 test of F-150 for those who are interested...
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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 13:04:21 -0600
From: "Mike Fairleigh"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 4.6 Rough idle

Is it consistently rough? If so, I'd take it in. Be aware that everything
about the engine's performance - idle speed, mixture, timing, etc. - are
computer-controlled and adjusted constantly. So, it can idle a bit rougher
occasionally than at other times, depending on temperature, humidity, etc.
But if it's always rough, then maybe you've got a loose/damaged vacuum line
or defective component.

Mike Fairleigh
mikef sky.net
...Always remembering their sacrifices.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Chris Sykes
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Friday, December 18, 1998 2:55 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - 4.6 Rough idle


>I recently purchased a 1998 XLT Supercab 4.6L (Romeo)Automatic, LS 3.55.
>The thing that concerns me is that it seems to vibrate a lot when it is
>idling. It is a bigger engine than I'm used to but it also feels like a
>not so consistent vibration. I thought perhaps it was idling too low.
>When sitting with the transmission in drive and at a full stop the idle
>speed is consistently between 600 and 650 RPM. Is this what it should be?
>When I test drove a 99 it seemed to me that when I climbed in I couldn't
>tell that the engine was running because it was so smooth, I guess I
>expected the same thing in my 98.
> Any thoughts or comments would be greatly appreciated! Thanks.
> Chris Sykes
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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 13:23:23 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Chevy vs. Ford

The shocks aren't a big advantage, but the F-150 had All season tires (all
terrain's can be had without the Off Road, although the Off Road's ATS
Wranglers would be even better) where the Chevy Z71 had all terrain's and
this gave it a big off road advantage.

Nathan

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From: RAMWORKER aol.com
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Saturday, December 19, 1998 2:27 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - LD vs. SD


>Hi David,
>
> The last time I looked, the Ch*vy Z71 package only consisted of Bilstein
>shocks and a skidplate or two. How those items could be much of an edge in
>off-road performance is beyond me.
> However, regarding the quarter mile race, I'm not too surprised. After
10,000
>miles on the companies' '98 F150 XL 4.6L automatic 3.55 rear end, I have to
>say that I and others that drive this and our '97 2500 5.7L Vortec 3.73
rear
>end are quite impressed, particularly considering the 69 ci smaller engine.
>Most drivers feel the F150 will take the Ch*vy off the line, and at highway
>speeds, our opinions become somewhat split. That means they are very close
at
>highway speeds and only a direct race (very unlikely) will decide this.
>
> Best Regards,
> Robert
>


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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 14:50:30 -0600
From: "Parker Brooks"
Subject: FTE 97up - explorer list

hey all,

a while back a guy was telling us that he intended to start a explorer list.
i wrote him back just recently (just got the message), and it's a bad email
address.

didn't know if anyone had any news about it, or how to join.

any info would be appreciated.
thanks,
parker



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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 18:01:47 EST
From: BigFords1 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Chevy vs. Ford

The F-150 had shorter tires than the Dodge And Chevy. That's what I meant to
say the first time.

David
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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 19:24:29 -0800
From: "Matt Bailey"
Subject: FTE 97up - 99 SD V-10 A/T Slimmy Shifting

I recently purchased a 99 SD V-10 the 4 speed A/T. I really like the truck
except for one thing, I don't like the way it swifts, much too soft, it
really sliiiiiiides into gear. When your cruising around 40 mph and then
accelerate hard, it will shift down the way it should but once it gets into
2nd gear it almost feels like it's slipping for a couple of seconds then it
starts to pull away real hard. Has anyone else experience this? Is there
anyway to adjust the way it shifts? I would like to have it shift like my
old Chevy almost bang into gear. I know the clutches in this new 4 speed
trany can't last too long if it continues to shift this way.

Mattb

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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 23:53:51 -0500
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 99 SD V-10 A/T Slimmy Shifting

I have the same truck as you, mine shifts better now that I have "trained"
it. Play around with manually shifting from low to 2nd to drive while
taking off from a light, also turn the overdrive off for a while and try
different combinations of up and downshifting. You really can train it
somewhat, but to get it to "bang" into the next gear you will probably need
an aftermarket chip.


Keith



- -----Original Message-----
From: Matt Bailey
To: Ford Truck Mailing List
Date: Sunday, December 20, 1998 10:20 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - 99 SD V-10 A/T Slimmy Shifting


>I recently purchased a 99 SD V-10 the 4 speed A/T. I really like the truck
>except for one thing, I don't like the way it swifts, much too soft, it
>really sliiiiiiides into gear. When your cruising around 40 mph and then
>accelerate hard, it will shift down the way it should but once it gets into
>2nd gear it almost feels like it's slipping for a couple of seconds then it
>starts to pull away real hard. Has anyone else experience this? Is there
>anyway to adjust the way it shifts? I would like to have it shift like my
>old Chevy almost bang into gear. I know the clutches in this new 4 speed
>trany can't last too long if it continues to shift this way.
>
>Mattb
>
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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 23:59:36 -0500
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: FTE 97up - SuperDuty V-10

Has anyone yet put a K&N filter (or Generation II K&N Filter and Airbox) and
Borla or gibson Cat-Back on the V-10 SuperDuty? I did both to my 5.4L
Expedition and am happy with the sound and performance so far. Still
looking for aftermarket goodies for the V-10 (4X4) F-350, but some vendors,
eg., Performance Products, do not yet carry anything for the '99
SuperDuties.


Keith

P.S. Has anyone tried the spray on bedliners I have seen advertised?? I
have a regular bedliner and am wondering if the spray on type will provide
sound deadening and prevent surface rust.

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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 22:20:27 -0800
From: "Matt Bailey"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 99 SD V-10 A/T Slimmy Shifting

Thanks for the advice, I didn't realize that the trany needed training like
the engine. I will try some manual shifting and see if it makes any
difference, the truck only has 700 miles on it as of today so maybe it's
still trainable.

Mattb

- -----Original Message-----
From: Keith Veren
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Sunday, December 20, 1998 9:02 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 99 SD V-10 A/T Slimmy Shifting


>I have the same truck as you, mine shifts better now that I have "trained"
>it. Play around with manually shifting from low to 2nd to drive while
>taking off from a light, also turn the overdrive off for a while and try
>different combinations of up and downshifting. You really can train it
>somewhat, but to get it to "bang" into the next gear you will probably need
>an aftermarket chip.
>
>
>Keith
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Matt Bailey
>To: Ford Truck Mailing List
>Date: Sunday, December 20, 1998 10:20 PM
>Subject: FTE 97up - 99 SD V-10 A/T Slimmy Shifting
>
>
>>I recently purchased a 99 SD V-10 the 4 speed A/T. I really like the truck
>>except for one thing, I don't like the way it swifts, much too soft, it
>>really sliiiiiiides into gear. When your cruising around 40 mph and then
>>accelerate hard, it will shift down the way it should but once it gets
into
>>2nd gear it almost feels like it's slipping for a couple of seconds then
it
>>starts to pull away real hard. Has anyone else experience this? Is there
>>anyway to adjust the way it shifts? I would like to have it shift like my
>>old Chevy almost bang into gear. I know the clutches in this new 4 speed
>>trany can't last too long if it continues to shift this way.
>>
>>Mattb
>>
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