97up-list-digest Friday, December 18 1998 Volume 01 : Number 313



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 97up - Re: Pre-post lube system wanted
FTE 97up - Adding front height
FTE 97up - checking order
FTE 97up - Re:
Re: FTE 97up - Re: Pre-post lube system wanted
FTE 97up - F-150 vs Silverado vs. Ram 1500
FTE 97up - Holds?
Re: FTE 97up - Adding front height
FTE 97up - PSD Cold Weather Delete and Factory Hold
FTE 97up - 4WABS and high pedal pressure?
FTE 97up - Re: Pre-post lube system wanted (and another interesting comment)

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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 12:29:30 GMT
From: alannorthstar mindspring.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Pre-post lube system wanted

I have seen a product advertised in collector car hobby magazines
recently. Haven't investigated it, but it appears to be a
pressure tank of some kind which I guess would force oil through
the engine system when you release the valve -- before starting
the engine.

It was considered a good thing to use for pre-lubing an engine
that has been standing for a while.

Have no idea how well it works, but it was advertised in the
current issue of "Cars & Parts" magazine, at your local
newsstand.

Later,
Alan

On Wed, 16 Dec 1998 08:32:42 -0700, you wrote:

:Rick, I have been searching for a systems since I bought my new truck =
Oct
:26. In fact I have not driven it since I have not installed a prelube
:system on it. I have checked Turbo, Oil, Engine, and Racing equipment
:manufactures for the product. I will be going into production and =
marketing
:a Pre/Post Lube system in a couple of months. I don't have a price
:structure set up yet, so you will have to wait. I'm still in the
:engineering stages of this system. I'm negotiating contracts for =
pump/motor
:combinations from a number of companies. The specifications for the =
system
:will go beyond the minimums for the PSD application, you could call it
:"Super Duty" worthy. So I don't want to advertise until the system
:functions as designed, without any drawbacks or worries.
:
:Briefly the system will work as follows. The pump will have a supply =
line
:pulled directly from the oil pan, routed to the pump and then to the oil
:pressure sending unit with a tee. The electrical interface will be in =
the
:Glow plug circuit. When the engine calls for glow plug heating then the=
oil
:galleys will be pressurized. When the engine is hot the glow plug =
circuit
:does not energize. If you want to install an option of a timer, you can
:circulate oil to the galley after engine shutdown. This reducing oil =
coking
:in the turbo.
:
:Send me your name and address. I'll keep you abreast of the progress =
and
:the first shipping date. You can bet this is a high priority for me to
:complete quickly.
:
:
:Scott Matus
:TASCO Industries=09
:4895 S. Lake Gulch Road
:Castle Rock, CO 80104
:303 688-3145
:
:1999-1/2 F350 PSD CC Lariat SRW 4x4 6 speed.
:
:
:
:>Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 22:57:24 -0500
:>From: RICK KANE
:>Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Pre-post lube system wanted
:>
:>I want to put a pre and post lube system on my 99 F-250 PSD. Does
:>anyone have the name and phone number of a good manufacturer or
:>supplier? The only one I had seems to have gone out of business. He
:>was in King Of Prussia, Pa.
:>
:>Thank you,
:>Rick Kane
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:55:17 -0500
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: FTE 97up - Adding front height

I just received my F-350 SuperDuty/ SuperCab / 4X4 / V-10 / LongBed /
Snowplow package / trailertow package / etc. I would like to raise the
front another 1 or 2 inches so when I am running empty the truck sits more
level. Nathan, any approved ford "add-a-leaf" systems for the front? I am
going to install an 8' Fisher plow which will add even more need to pick-up
the front more to keep the truck level. Any ideas? I do not need a total
lift kit, the rear is way up in the air, just fine. I only want to raise
the front a little, do not want to have to change front steering parts,
driveshaft, etc. Thanks.


Keith

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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 08:53:57 -0800 (PST)
From: Neal Moon
Subject: FTE 97up - checking order

does anybody know if there is a way to check where my vehicle is in
the order bank, besides calling the dealer.

- -Neal
_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?

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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:29:05 -0800
From: "Kirk Werner"
Subject: FTE 97up - Re:

Mine is 4 wheel drive. And it's a Dodge. And it's a 96. I think you're
email is misdirected, but in the event that you're still interested, I got
14.5 mpg my first road trip when it was NEW. 12-13 mpg my first 12K miles
and ever since.

(Well, you asked...)

But I hope to step into a Super Duty V10 within a few months.
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>From: "Matus, Scott A"
>To: "'F 97 - New'"
,"'kirkwe edmark.com'"
>Date: Wed, Dec 16, 1998, 3:49 PM
>

>
>To: "Kirk Werner"
>
>I have just received my truck that is identical to yours except mine is a
>4x4. What were your MPG during the 12,000 miles you have owned it?
Mileage
>when NEW, Break-in and when mileage began to level out?


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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 14:46:32 EST
From: KWkM3 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Pre-post lube system wanted


recently. Haven't investigated it, but it appears to be a
pressure tank of some kind which I guess would force oil through
the engine system when you release the valve -- before starting
the engine. >>

Road racers use these all the time. I think Moroso makes one called the
Accusump. It keeps 1 to 3 quarts of oil pressurized all the time. In the event
of low oil pressure it pushes that extra oil out. You can also use the remote
valve to use the extra oil on startup. Pretty simple and cheap.(approx150-250
dollars.) check out Summit Racing for good prices.

Harry
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:56:23 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: FTE 97up - F-150 vs Silverado vs. Ram 1500

Truck Trends just did a comparison of F-150 S/C 4x4 Vs Silverado 1500 E/C
4x4 Vs Ram 1500 Quad cab 4x4. They put all three trucks on the same dyno
and came up with some interesting results.

Ford 5.4L Triton (manufacturer rated at the flywheel for 260HP 4500 and
345 lb/ft at 2300)

Peak HP (rear wheel observed) 209.2 4250
Peak Torque (rear wheel observed) 281.2 3000

Dodge Magnum 5.9L (manufacturer rated at the flywheel for 245 HP 4000 rpm
and 335lb/ft 3200)

Peak HP (rear wheel observed) 194.7 4500
Peak Torque (rear wheel observed) 257.5 3500

Chevy 5.3L Vortec (manufacturer rated at the flywheel for 270HP 5000 and
285lb/ft 4000)

Peak HP (rear wheel observed) 182.8 5200
Peak Torque (rear wheel observed) 221.7 3750

They had this broken down to compare the three at various RPM's but they
difference seemed to be about the same (Ford most powerful ,Dodge second,
and Chevy last). This makes me wonder if Chevy has some optimistic Dynos or
if their driveline eats more of their power than the other manufacturers.
The only thing the Chevy did best at was braking and the F-150 tested was an
early '99 with rear drum brakes. The "Sport" I got in today and all F-150
XLT and Lariats built after Dec 2nd have 4 wheel disc brakes so this may
change the results in that category.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.
Union, IA 50528


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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 18:19:39 -0500
From: Claude King
Subject: FTE 97up - Holds?

I ordered a 99 PSD CC, man4X4, SRW, auto/PTO,XLT,white/demin,3.73ltdslp,carpet
delete,pwrseat,rear window, privacy glass,CD play,cold
delete,trailer&camper,hitch,spare,steps,pwr trailermirrors, 4Wabs, on 11/10/98
Zplan.

Dealer says Auto are on hold can't get scheduled Anybody else heard the same.

//ck
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 20:24:09 -0800
From: "Matt Bailey"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Adding front height

Gratteri's 4wd, Hillsboro Oregon, 503-640-8106 - They sell an add-a-leaf
manufactured buy Benz Spring, a local spring MFG. Give them a call

Mattb - 99 F-250 SD SC 4wd V-10 LB - 503 miles today


- -----Original Message-----
From: Keith Veren
To: Ford Truck Mailing List
Date: Thursday, December 17, 1998 8:06 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - Adding front height


>I just received my F-350 SuperDuty/ SuperCab / 4X4 / V-10 / LongBed /
>Snowplow package / trailertow package / etc. I would like to raise the
>front another 1 or 2 inches so when I am running empty the truck sits more
>level. Nathan, any approved ford "add-a-leaf" systems for the front? I am
>going to install an 8' Fisher plow which will add even more need to pick-up
>the front more to keep the truck level. Any ideas? I do not need a total
>lift kit, the rear is way up in the air, just fine. I only want to raise
>the front a little, do not want to have to change front steering parts,
>driveshaft, etc. Thanks.
>
>
>Keith
>
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 21:47:01 -0600
From: "Bud Feuless & Miki Magara"
Subject: FTE 97up - PSD Cold Weather Delete and Factory Hold

Just got a call from my dealer this afternoon. He said he was checking the
order on my F-250 SD w/PSD, placed on 12/1 and found that the status had
changed from "Unscheduled Clean" (not scheduled to build, but a complete and
accepted order) to "Hold." He called the factory folks and they told him
that all PSD's with the Cold Weather Delete option are being placed on hold
and will not be taken off hold until 04/01/1999! I had him change the order
to delete the Cold Weather Delete option (so, I'll get the engine block
heater and the exhaust valve and pay about $100 more) and it is now back to
"Unscheduled Clean", at least for now...

Just thought I'd share this, in case we all need to run out and change our
orders...!

Regards, Bud


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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 21:50:33 -0600
From: "Bud Feuless & Miki Magara"
Subject: FTE 97up - 4WABS and high pedal pressure?

Anyone else had the same experience as Lee or who can confirm this? If
true, I need to modify my order...

Thanks, Bud

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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 06:33:59 -0500
From: Lee Haefele
Subject: FTE 97up - Re:questions

>Anything else I should know?
You should drive one with 4WABS before ordering, I believe that was
the cause of the increased pedal pressure req'd in mine. Gas vs diesel
have a different brake system, the gas engine system has the high pedal
pressure W/ the 4Wabs.
Lee Haefele
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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 00:07:40 -0600
From: "Bud Feuless & Miki Magara"
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Pre-post lube system wanted (and another interesting comment)

You can contact Engine Lubrication Systems, Inc., who manufacture the
Pre-Luber at enginelube aol.com. Their address is:

Engine Lubrication Systems
64 State Road
Paoli, PA 19301

Tel: (610) 647-2417

I don't know if they have a web site, so you might try checking
metacrawler...

Their products have been very well reviewed and won the 1990 IMTEC award for
innovation when they developed a parallel product line for the marine diesel
market. They've been around for a while and are used in the marine industry
today by many commercial operators.

By the way, something else used by many commercial marine, trucking, and
heavy equipment operators... (uh oh, get ready for a bloodbath, the oil
filter debate is ba-a-ack)...

There was recently a thread about some 'poor unfortunate and misguided soul'
who thought he could get 25,000 miles out of his oil if he used a
"special" filter. Well, he was roundly and righteously made quite aware
that such a thing was just downright preposterous! Unfortunately, he was
not only mostly right, but he was referring to a system that has been in use
for ages and which can almost COMPLETELY eliminate oil changes FOREVER (or
at least longer than most of us will live (certainly longer than I will
after this post )).

What I am talking about is what some of you have called a "paper towel"
filter. The proper term is a "bypass oil filter." This name derives from
the fact that such a filter does not filter the majority of the oil that
passes through it, but only a small part. Such a filter generally moves oil
VERY slowly through many layers of cellulose fibers, thereby removing
particulate impurities beyond the 1 micron level. When combined with the
engine's existing full flow oil filter, this creates a similar filtration
effect to the primary (usually 10 micron) and secondary (usually 30 micron)
fuel filters on commercial diesel engines. The regular filter still removes
larger particulate waste, while the bypass oil filter removes the smaller
waste. With this system, generally ONLY THE FILTERS ARE CHANGED at regular
intervals, perhaps every 12,000 to 20,000 miles or 200-300 hours of
operation. It is crucial in such a system to perform regular oil analysis,
because, should the oil become contaminated, as in the presence of coolant,
the danger and damage can be multiplied if the problem is not caught early
(as the coolant will remain in the oil and not be removed during the next
change). Most commercial operators of large diesel engines, especially
those that are run at constant medium to full load (much more load than the
usual small truck provides) use these filters. They are also used in
military or marine applications where the oil cannot often be changed. Why?

Well, because, not only do they reduce oil changes (that is really not the
big deal), they also virtually eliminate internal wear, at least at the
levels to which automotive users have become accustomed. Shell, Chevron and
many other industrial sites and offshore operators use them, as do every
major branch of the military and most commercial crew boat operators in my
area. After the original thread, I took the time to talk to a few of them
about this, just to verify my own thinking. They told me of engines that
have run 8,000 to 10,000 continuous hours without an oil change (unattended
offshore rigs, boats crossing oceans...), only to be torn down, found to be
in perfect condition, reassembled only with the replacement of gaskets, and
had the original oil replaced (it's actually cleaner than it would be direct
from the bottle). I read an article about a truck engine with 700,000 miles
on it with a similar story (I have the article, but it's not electronic).
So why doesn't everybody have/use them?

Well, they ain't small, they ain't cheap, and they require a higher level of
care and conscious effort to maintain the engine than the average consumer
would care for. Now, that last statement certainly does not apply to most
of the folks on this NG and those of you with Super Duties with PSD's are
certainly not shy of spending money... . So, the only remaining problem
seems to be that they are not small. I haven't gotten my truck in yet and
don't know how much space there would be for mounting one. If there is
enough space somewhere it would be well worth it. When combined with a
pre-luber, you get the added benefit that you can run the lube motor after
engine shutdown and create even more beneficial filtration by the bypass
filter. Again, don't forget to do regular oil analysis, it is absolutely
crucial.

The one's that are used most here in Texas seem to be made by:

Gulf Coast Filters, Inc.
P.O. Box 2787
Gulfport, MS 39505

Tel: 1-800-398-8114

This one is based on an actual roll of good ol' paper towels (some others
are based on proprietary paper filtration elements) and has been reviewed
very favorably by magazines and the few operators I have spoken to. The
unit is a bit bigger than the average roll of paper towels, so, again, space....


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