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In this issue:

FTE 97up - Fwd: 300$ Over Invoice
Re: FTE 97up - F-250/350 Comprehensive Information
Re: FTE 97up - F-250/350 Comprehensive Information
Re: FTE 97up - FW: Sport Package Delay
Re: FTE 97up - 3:55 Limited Slip Questions
FTE 97up - Re: Pre-post lube system wanted
FTE 97up - ADMIN: Products, classifieds, chat, t-shirts and more...
Re: FTE 97up - ADMIN: Products, classifieds, chat, t-shirts and more...
[none]
Re: FTE 97up - ADMIN: Products, classifieds, chat, t-shirts and more...
FTE 97up - re: engine noise on F350 PSD
FTE 97up - F150 LD works for me
Re: FTE 97up - F150 LD works for me
FTE 97up - LD Vs HD
FTE 97up - Thanx.

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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 08:16:09 EST
From: JDavis1277 aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Fwd: 300$ Over Invoice

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Subject: Re: 300$ Over Invoice
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 08:12:49 EST
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Issac,

Tredwell Ford in Mobile, AL is the dealer from whom I got this offer. That
sounds like an awesome truck you are going to order.

If you like, I'll also provide the telephone number and name of the salesman.
Let me know.

BTW, I'm sure you know you can buy from an out of town dealer and have your
truck drop shipped to a nearby dealer. There are charges for this, but the
numbers I hear are from $200 to $500 for the service. That can be a great
negotiating tool with a local dealer. The truck you are ordering will have an
MSRP of maybe $37K?? The dealer holdback for a truck that expensive would be
3%, or $1110 of pure profit if they sell to for just invoice plus zero. If
they handle a drop shipped truck they get maybe $500. Better to sell to you
for invoice plus $300 and make $1410 on the sale instead of $500.

Show the SALES MANAGER the numbers, and watch him pucker.

Good luck, Butch-

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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 09:03:08 -0500
From: tsaint erols.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - F-250/350 Comprehensive Information

I looked through this manual when ordering my truck. It was in my
salesman's source book, a large binder with this and other info. Very
informative indeed. It seemed to be a sales tool, giving the salesman info
he needs to give correct answers and also instructs him on what should be
specifically pointed out to a customer to lure him/her in. I thought about
stealing it from the salesman.


At 03:12 PM 12/15/98 -0500, Keith Veren wrote:
Anyway, as I was talking with my dealer/sales rep., I asked him
>if there was any other information on the F-Series Superduties because the
>Owner's Manual was very simple and not very specific and did not go into any
>detail on the systems. He gave me a thick package called the Ford F-Series
>SuperDuty "Education and Training Package". It consists of a Specification
>Guide and a Marketing Guide. What a wealth of information!!! Includes
>loads of specific information such as number of leafs with different spring
>setups, type of pinion gear mounting (overhung), make of rear axle drive
>(Hotchkiss), section modulus of frame (5.6 c.i.), transfer case ratios
>(2.72:1 and 1.0:1), deflection rate and width of rear leaf springs (5200# =
>430 lb../in per spring 3.00 in. width), etc., etc. The Marketing guide
>also has a wealth of information. Nathan, I know anyone can purchase the
>Workshop Manuals, but how can others on this list get the "Ford Education
>and Training - Specification and Marketing Guide" documents?? I think
>everyone with a SuperDuty would benefit from having them.

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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 08:30:41 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - F-250/350 Comprehensive Information

I don't know of any way to get this info. It was provided to the dealers
about the time the trucks went in to production (Jan '98). It is a very
good source for information, but much of the payload ratings have changed
since the introduction so some of the specs have changed. The Sales "Source
book" has very similar information and may be available to the public. I'd
ask your dealer (I haven't ever had a customer ask me for these books so I'm
not sure).

Nathan Bernard

- -----Original Message-----
From: Keith Veren
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, December 15, 1998 2:25 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - F-250/350 Comprehensive Information


>I just received my F-350 / SuperDuty / 4X4 / V-10 / LongBed / SuperCab /
>3.73LS / all the goodies. so far so good. I asked my dealer for the
>service (workshop) manuals, I said I would purchase them (I did so for my
>other vehicles, e.g., Expedition and Explorer). They are printed by a
>company "helms Corp." The Volume 1 is $121! Volume 2 is $180!! Volume 3
>is $125!!! I am in the wrong business, I should be selling Ford Service
>Manuals!!! Anyway, as I was talking with my dealer/sales rep., I asked him
>if there was any other information on the F-Series Superduties because the
>Owner's Manual was very simple and not very specific and did not go into
any
>detail on the systems. He gave me a thick package called the Ford F-Series
>SuperDuty "Education and Training Package". It consists of a Specification
>Guide and a Marketing Guide. What a wealth of information!!! Includes
>loads of specific information such as number of leafs with different spring
>setups, type of pinion gear mounting (overhung), make of rear axle drive
>(Hotchkiss), section modulus of frame (5.6 c.i.), transfer case ratios
>(2.72:1 and 1.0:1), deflection rate and width of rear leaf springs (5200# =
>430 lb../in per spring 3.00 in. width), etc., etc. The Marketing guide
>also has a wealth of information. Nathan, I know anyone can purchase the
>Workshop Manuals, but how can others on this list get the "Ford Education
>and Training - Specification and Marketing Guide" documents?? I think
>everyone with a SuperDuty would benefit from having them.
>
>
>Keith
>
>
>
>


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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 08:43:55 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - FW: Sport Package Delay

I assume your talking about an XLT. The "Sport" package is not available on
an XLT 4x2 Reg. cab. (seems odd because the STX was available last year).
I called OPC (order processing
center) and verified this. I'd call your dealer and find out what is going
on.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.

- -----Original Message-----
From: John Walker
To: 97-Up List (E-mail)
Date: Tuesday, December 15, 1998 1:34 PM
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - FW: Sport Package Delay


Thanks for the reply Nathan. I ordered a 4x2, Regular Cab, Short Bed
(Regular panel side bed), 4.6L/5-speed. The color is Bright Red Clearcoat
with medium prarie tan interior. Additional options include: floormats, CD
player (No CD changer), sliding rear window and 3.55 limited slip axle.
Thanks for the information!

John Walker

- -----Original Message-----
From: Union Auto [SMTP:unionaut adiis.net]
Sent: Monday, December 14, 1998 5:13 PM
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - FW: Sport Package Delay

Was yours a 4x2 or 4x4? My first sport (4x4 S/C XLT 4.6L) was built a week
or two ago and should be here any day. What engine Transmission and body
style did you order?

Nathan



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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 08:59:49 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 3:55 Limited Slip Questions

Rear Axle Specs.

F-150/F-250 LD
Make: Ford Standard and Limited Slip

max rating ground (lbs) 3800 (4.2 and 4.6L) 4200 (5.4L) 5300 (F-250
Light Duty)

Type: Semi Floating

Drive: Hotchkiss

Housing: type: Cast Center
Cover attachment: bolted

Lubricant capacity (qt) : 5.5-5.8 (F-150) 7.5-8.0 (F-250 LD)

Wheel Bearing type: Straight Roller

Gears: Type: hypoid
material: alloy steel

Ring Gear: Pitch Dia. (in.): 8.8 (4.6L and 4.2L) 9.75 (5.4L) 10.25 (F-250
LD)

Pinion mounting: Overhung

Differential: type: 2 pinion
bearings: tapered roller

Axle shaft: minimum dia (in.) : 1.29
Dia over splines (in.) : 1.32
number of splines (hub end) : 31

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.
Union, IA 50258



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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 08:32:42 -0700
From: "Matus, Scott A"
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Pre-post lube system wanted

Rick, I have been searching for a systems since I bought my new truck Oct
26. In fact I have not driven it since I have not installed a prelube
system on it. I have checked Turbo, Oil, Engine, and Racing equipment
manufactures for the product. I will be going into production and marketing
a Pre/Post Lube system in a couple of months. I don't have a price
structure set up yet, so you will have to wait. I'm still in the
engineering stages of this system. I'm negotiating contracts for pump/motor
combinations from a number of companies. The specifications for the system
will go beyond the minimums for the PSD application, you could call it
"Super Duty" worthy. So I don't want to advertise until the system
functions as designed, without any drawbacks or worries.

Briefly the system will work as follows. The pump will have a supply line
pulled directly from the oil pan, routed to the pump and then to the oil
pressure sending unit with a tee. The electrical interface will be in the
Glow plug circuit. When the engine calls for glow plug heating then the oil
galleys will be pressurized. When the engine is hot the glow plug circuit
does not energize. If you want to install an option of a timer, you can
circulate oil to the galley after engine shutdown. This reducing oil coking
in the turbo.

Send me your name and address. I'll keep you abreast of the progress and
the first shipping date. You can bet this is a high priority for me to
complete quickly.


Scott Matus
TASCO Industries
4895 S. Lake Gulch Road
Castle Rock, CO 80104
303 688-3145

1999-1/2 F350 PSD CC Lariat SRW 4x4 6 speed.



>Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 22:57:24 -0500
>From: RICK KANE
>Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Pre-post lube system wanted
>
>I want to put a pre and post lube system on my 99 F-250 PSD. Does
>anyone have the name and phone number of a good manufacturer or
>supplier? The only one I had seems to have gone out of business. He
>was in King Of Prussia, Pa.
>
>Thank you,
>Rick Kane
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 17:14:26 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 97up - ADMIN: Products, classifieds, chat, t-shirts and more...

Hello fellow FTEs...

I'm pleased to make a few announcements. Our products center
on the web site now accepts Visa and Mastercard with secure
and encrypted ordering. Amex will be accepted within a week.

Due to this and the fact that we've recently taken on more
web advertisers, we're increasing the scope of our free
services to the list members and web site visitors.

Classifieds
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One of the items that list members have consistantly asked for
is a new classifieds section. Yesterday we purchased a top of
the line classifieds manager. This product has tons of
features, including:
1. Auto ad expiration after 30, 45 or 60 days
2. Email notification that your ad is due to expire 7
days before it expires
3. Easy ad renewal
4. Advanced searching
5. Hide your email address! Ads have a reply feature
which hides your address yet still lets people
respond. (Goodbye spammers!)
6. Multiple ad sections.
7. Edit or delete your ad at a later date
8. Anti-ad spammer feature. Will **not** accept duplicate
submission.
9. Taboo word filtering.
10. Auto limit on number of words entered for ad
11. Auto rejection from known abusers

I have a huge list of featues, but this gives you an idea of
its features. This new classifieds script should come on-line
within a week. The old system will be maintained for 30 days
after the launch of the new system.

Chat
- ----
As soon as sales picks up on the web site, we're purchasing
a new chat engine. We're evaluating two packages right now.

T-shirts
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Some of you may remember the t-shirt contest we had 3 months
ago. Since the vote had some cheating I discontinued it.
4 weeks ago I gave an outline to my brother-in-law who is
an artist and he was supposed to give me t-shirt artwork
within 2 weeks. Well, I once again learned that you shouldn't
do business with family. I'm taking the artwork to an artist
next week who will have it back in 1-2 days. If you entered
a design in our contest, we really appreciate it and we are
going to prove it by giving a prize pack to ***all*** the
people who entered a design. Full details on this when the
t-shirts are ready.

Club
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FTE is going to start a Ford truck club. After the first of
the year I'm presenting a plan to our core group and we
should be able to hammer out the details and hopefully have a
club by mid-January. If you've been looking for a way to have
some "hands on" involvement, a club will be just the ticket.

Adm

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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 20:00:41 -0800
From: Nicolas Mosaquites III
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - ADMIN: Products, classifieds, chat, t-shirts and more...

Ken
I think the truck club idea is great.I have been looking for a ford
truck club for a
while,hope this materializes.I enjoy coming home and reading all the
material on the list.I think is a great way to communicate with all the F150
truck enthusiast.

respectfully

Nick.
Mosaquites
98 Ford F150 triton.

Ken Payne wrote:

> Hello fellow FTEs...
>
> I'm pleased to make a few announcements. Our products center
> on the web site now accepts Visa and Mastercard with secure
> and encrypted ordering. Amex will be accepted within a week.
>
> Due to this and the fact that we've recently taken on more
> web advertisers, we're increasing the scope of our free
> services to the list members and web site visitors.
>
> Classifieds
> -----------
> One of the items that list members have consistantly asked for
> is a new classifieds section. Yesterday we purchased a top of
> the line classifieds manager. This product has tons of
> features, including:
> 1. Auto ad expiration after 30, 45 or 60 days
> 2. Email notification that your ad is due to expire 7
> days before it expires
> 3. Easy ad renewal
> 4. Advanced searching
> 5. Hide your email address! Ads have a reply feature
> which hides your address yet still lets people
> respond. (Goodbye spammers!)
> 6. Multiple ad sections.
> 7. Edit or delete your ad at a later date
> 8. Anti-ad spammer feature. Will **not** accept duplicate
> submission.
> 9. Taboo word filtering.
> 10. Auto limit on number of words entered for ad
> 11. Auto rejection from known abusers
>
> I have a huge list of featues, but this gives you an idea of
> its features. This new classifieds script should come on-line
> within a week. The old system will be maintained for 30 days
> after the launch of the new system.
>
> Chat
> ----
> As soon as sales picks up on the web site, we're purchasing
> a new chat engine. We're evaluating two packages right now.
>
> T-shirts
> --------
> Some of you may remember the t-shirt contest we had 3 months
> ago. Since the vote had some cheating I discontinued it.
> 4 weeks ago I gave an outline to my brother-in-law who is
> an artist and he was supposed to give me t-shirt artwork
> within 2 weeks. Well, I once again learned that you shouldn't
> do business with family. I'm taking the artwork to an artist
> next week who will have it back in 1-2 days. If you entered
> a design in our contest, we really appreciate it and we are
> going to prove it by giving a prize pack to ***all*** the
> people who entered a design. Full details on this when the
> t-shirts are ready.
>
> Club
> ----
> FTE is going to start a Ford truck club. After the first of
> the year I'm presenting a plan to our core group and we
> should be able to hammer out the details and hopefully have a
> club by mid-January. If you've been looking for a way to have
> some "hands on" involvement, a club will be just the ticket.
>
> Adm
>
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 16:49:54 -0700
From: "Matus, Scott A"
Subject: [none]

To: "Kirk Werner"

I have just received my truck that is identical to yours except mine is a
4x4. What were your MPG during the 12,000 miles you have owned it? Mileage
when NEW, Break-in and when mileage began to level out?
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 18:53:38 EST
From: FISHNG1 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - ADMIN: Products, classifieds, chat, t-shirts and more...

On the subject of the truck club, sounds like a very neat idea and I am very
excited to be able to be part of it. Thanks for the great work!

Steve Ng....The FishNg1.....99 F-350 PSD, SC,4x4
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 19:44:41 -0500
From: John Edward Nichols
Subject: FTE 97up - re: engine noise on F350 PSD

I was wondering if anyone was experiencing a loud binding noise which I
thought was the clutch fan. I have removed the fan and the noise is
still
there. It sounds like a bad power steering pump but there is no problem
with
the steering or fluid level. Could it possibly be air intake noise?
The dealer
says it never does it when they have it. I have had trouble locating an
air
filter and still have the original one after 15,000 miles. One of the
dealers parts
dept. told me that there is a different listing for trucks made after
12\8\98,
maybe the intake is too small. Any help would be appreciated

John N.

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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 19:06:19 -0800
From: "Peter J. Harbeson"
Subject: FTE 97up - F150 LD works for me

I've been reading the discussion about the "heavy-dutiness" of the LD vs. SD
trucks with interest. Let me say that for me, the F150 LD is exactly on
target. I don't have any experience with anything above a half-ton pickup of
any vintage, but my 98 F150 drives MUCH better than my old '83 did, and much
better than the current competition. Ride, interior, and safety are
important to me, because it's a general-purpose vehicle that's busing the
kids, doing the shopping and toting the dogs as well as towing boats and
utility trailers, hauling gravel, shrubs, furniture, appliances, trash,
firewood, and U-name it. I think whoever called it a "family truck" was
right on.

Those SDs are way cool, but not what I need.

By the way, I haven't had any problems, recalls, or anything.

Here's wishing everyone on the list the happiest of holidays!

Pete Harbeson
'98 F150 4.6 XLT



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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 22:18:33 -0600
From: "Mike Fairleigh"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - F150 LD works for me

Ditto.

Mike Fairleigh
mikef sky.net
...Always remembering their sacrifices.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Peter J. Harbeson
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, December 16, 1998 9:31 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - F150 LD works for me


>I've been reading the discussion about the "heavy-dutiness" of the LD vs.
SD
>trucks with interest. Let me say that for me, the F150 LD is exactly on
>target.


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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 23:34:45 -0500
From: Jean Marc Chartier
Subject: FTE 97up - LD Vs HD

All,

There is an informative article in the Dec 98 issue of
Motor Trend's Truck Trend that compares the F-250LD vs the
F-250HD. Read and draw your own conclusions.

Regards

Jean Marc Chartier
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:27:57 +0200
From: "Isaac Gutman"
Subject: FTE 97up - Thanx.

Dear Nathan,
Allow me to take this opportunity to thank you. Although I am not an active
participant in this NG, I am reading it every day, enjoying everybody's
questions and remarks, especially yours, (no offence, please).
Since I am currently residing in Israel, I do not have the privilege of
seeing and
experiencing the new1999 F series. Being a physician, I travel a lot to and....


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