97up-list-digest Sunday, December 13 1998 Volume 01 : Number 308



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In this issue:

FTE 97up - Re:questions
Re: FTE 97up - Scratches
Re: FTE 97up - 99 F250 SD Questions
Re: FTE 97up - Scratches
FTE 97up - ADMIN: Chat addition
Re: FTE 97up - Truck Transportation Bottleneck
Re: FTE 97up - Truck Transportation Bottleneck
Re: FTE 97up - Overhead Console
Re: FTE 97up - Truck Transportation Bottleneck
Re: FTE 97up - Re: Dealers taking care of Trucks
Re: FTE 97up - 99 F250 SD Questions

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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 06:33:59 -0500
From: Lee Haefele
Subject: FTE 97up - Re:questions

>Anything else I should know?
You should drive one with 4WABS before ordering, I beleive that was
the cause of the increased pedal pressure req'd in mine. Gas vs diesel
have a different brake system, the gas engine system has the high pedal
pressure W/ the 4Wabs.
Lee Haefele
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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 15:11:30 EST
From: ROBBCWZ aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Scratches

In a message dated 12/11/98 11:59:54 AM Central Standard Time,
vbnaas erols.com writes:


a truck so you can or allow others to scratch, dent and stain it to show
the world that you understand the proper usage of a truck. Give me a
break! If thats how you see it then I am sure that there are an
abundant number of dealers out there that are willing and able to make
you a happy indivuadule. I do "use" my F-150 for everything under the
sun but, using care, I have not personally put any scraches, dents or
stains on my truck, they have all been applied by others basic
carelessness. Each and every one of them have made me a bit upset. It
is, in fact my truck.
Paul >>

Paul:

Get real. There is no way to use your "truck for everything under the sun"
and not mark it!

What I was saying is that "trucks" are (usually) expected to lead a heavier
duty life that a car, to find themselves in situations where damage may occur
more frequently, etc, etc. Not too many (sane) folks go off-road in a car, go
hunting down narrow out of the way tracks and through brush, haul all manner
of junk in the bed, tow trailers, etc, etc, etc. And folks in general are
more tolerant of truck dings because it is the "expected" result of the harder
use most of them get. There just seems to be too many people with trucks who
really belong in cars; they never use the truck for anything close to it's
intended purpose.
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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 15:35:15 EST
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 99 F250 SD Questions

In a message dated 12/11/98 3:54:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, bmacrae nmu.edu
writes:



Some questions I have about the new Super Duty F250s are:

1. The noise I experienced, is this normal and to be expected?

i havent noticed it because i have the powerstroke.

2. Are there any areas of concern that I should be aware of with this
particular model of truck?

be aware of dealer cost to get the best deal

3. Which is the more reliable 4wd system? The l
ever or optional electric
4wd (both have manual hubs). I understand they are both "on the fly" as
long as the front hubs are locked in.

I hear of some problems with shift on fly system already, i have manual hubs
and shift on floor

4. Dealer said to expect 4 months to order one. Does this sound about right?

Sounds about right , i would just do some looking around, be expected to look
hard if you dont like waiting likw i do.

5. Is the XLT bench seat pretty comfortable, or would I be better off with
the captains chairs? Both SDs on the lot had the captains chairs.

i have the 60/40/ 60 split, seems pretty decent to me,i hear the captians
chairs are more comfortable.

6. Anything else I should know?????

Powerstroke gets great mileage....
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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 16:26:12 -0500
From: "Eddie Pettit"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Scratches

ROBBCWZ wrote:

>Get real. There is no way to use your "truck for everything under the
sun"
>and not mark it!


I won't try to defend Paul here, I'll just take this back to your original
statement that was something to the effect of little dings put there by
shops shouldn't bother us truck owners because the truck will get dinged
anyway. You never did seem to respond to my statement, which was something
to the effect of: Sure my truck is going to get dinged, but under no
circumstances are your or anyone else going to be able to ding it for me.
If however, I am wrong and you did respond, please do so again so I can see
it.

>There just seems to be too many people with trucks who
>really belong in cars; they never use the truck for anything close to it's
>intended purpose.

I won't even respond to this insert_negative_term_here statement, but if I
did, it would be something in the manner of: Who's to say who really
belongs in cars and who really belongs in trucks. I personally would rather
have my entire family in trucks for their safety. Additionally, who's to
say what the intended purpose of today's truck is. Seems to me that you are
taking a lot of responsiblity by decided these to things for the entire
world. Maybe you should step back a little and look at the world around
you, truck ownership isn't a black and white area anymore, it's more of a
grey area.

Eddie Pettit
Midlothian VA
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://surf.to/my97F150


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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 16:59:54 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 97up - ADMIN: Chat addition

Telnet chatting has been added in addition to Java chat. It
works well. I don't know if it works with AOL because I
don't have AOL to test with. Let me know if you have AOL
and it doesn't work. The new chat server is pretty bullet
proof. It's been running for a week without a problem and
is still using only between 300-400k of memory and .002%
CPU resources. The Telnet chat link is on the chat page.
In addition to AOL users, anyone with older browsers,
browsers without Java and some Macintosh browsers should
now be able to chat via Telnet. For the curious, Telnet
is a terminal interface for the Internet (what we used before
browsers came along). Most computers have a Telnet client
on them, just click our Telnet link and it should launch.

Regards,
Ken Payne
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com

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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 17:12:57 -0500
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Truck Transportation Bottleneck

I ordered my F-350 SD / SuperCab / 4X4 / V-10 / 3.73LS / LongBed / "Built to
the Tilt" truck on Sept. 26. I drove by the dealership today and they had
it in the area for new-vehicle prep. My salesman told me in came in Friday
night, and it will be ready for delivery on Monday! Not bad, about 11
weeks, especially for a V-10. By the way, mine came on rail most of the
way, then by truck once it got in Massachusetts.


Keith


- -----Original Message-----
From: Matt Bailey
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Friday, December 11, 1998 8:50 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Truck Transportation Bottleneck


>I ordered my 99 F-250 SD SC XLT V10 Oct. 2, just received it Dec. 7. The
>dealership told me it would be 8-10 weeks, it turned out to be 9 weeks.
>Pretty good timing and yes... I love it!
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Union Auto
>To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>Date: Friday, December 11, 1998 3:14 PM
>Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Truck Transportation Bottleneck
>
>
>>>From what I've heard expect vehicles to be 2-3 weeks late if they come
>from
>>KC due to a shortage of truck drivers.
>>
>>Nathan Bernard
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Norm Brown
>>To: 97up-list
>>Date: Friday, December 11, 1998 6:07 AM
>>Subject: FTE 97up - Truck Transportation Bottleneck
>>
>>
>>>Dealer tells me that my '99 SD 250 LB CC PSD LARIET (etc), ordered the
>>>end of October, has been built and is sitting in Kansas City (or St.
>>>Louis?) awaiting transportation to the dealer.
>>>Anyone have any additional details on this situation - i.e. recent
>>>problem, continuting problem, resolution date.
>>>Thanks
>>>Norm
>>
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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 23:20:35 -0500
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Truck Transportation Bottleneck

In Massachusetts I have only one recommendation for a dealer and that is
Acton Ford in Acton, Massachusetts. When I ordered my truck (F-350 SD /
SuperCab / 4X4 / V-10 / 3.73LS / LongBed / "Built to the Tilt" [to answer
your question : XLT, no tutone paint, top-of-the-line-stereo, spare tire,
etc.]. I once ordered a vehicle [Expedition] from Framingham Ford. Got the
vehicle fairly quick but was not happy w/salesman and service department was
very unresponsive. I found Acton ford by shear luck when I tore one side of
the transmission crossmember in my Expedition 4-wheeling. Framingham Ford
said "drop it off and leave it, we will get to it when we can" so I looked
around and was told to try Acton ford. They put it on the rack immediately,
ordered the parts and told me I could drive it very gently until the new
crossmember came in. 2-days later it came in and they squeezed me in to put
in on the rack and fix it. The thing I like is the owner worked with me and
my salesman to discuss and verify my order so all the options that I wanted
were properly oredered, put my order in the computer and watched for it
every week for a build-date. They are all just good "normal" people, not
"hucksters" or "sharks" and the service department is clean, well equipped,
organized and the mechanics will spend time with you to discuss your
vehicle.


Keith


- -----Original Message-----
From: tsaint erols.com
To: Spectrum-EHS worldnet.att.net
Date: Saturday, December 12, 1998 9:40 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Truck Transportation Bottleneck


>What dealer and city did you get it from? I have one ordered from a dealer
>in Wareham, just ordered so no worry yet, but was curious about yours. I
>have basically the same as yours ordered but with diesel. Did you go with
>the Lariat or XLT? Two tone paint? CD player? I have heard that it seems to
>take longer with those options and again, I was curious on yours.
>
>At 05:12 PM 12/12/98 -0500, you wrote:
>>I ordered my F-350 SD / SuperCab / 4X4 / V-10 / 3.73LS / LongBed / "Built
to
>>the Tilt" truck on Sept. 26. I drove by the dealership today and they had
>>it in the area for new-vehicle prep. My salesman told me in came in
Friday
>>night, and it will be ready for delivery on Monday! Not bad, about 11
>>weeks, especially for a V-10. By the way, mine came on rail most of the
>>way, then by truck once it got in Massachusetts.
>
>Paul St.Yves
>Westport, MA
>

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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 01:42:16 EST
From: Y3Man aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Overhead Console

If you find out, let me know. I just bought a 99 F250 LD and would love the
option...
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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 01:52:54 EST
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Truck Transportation Bottleneck

In a message dated 12/12/98 11:24:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, Spectrum-
EHS worldnet.att.net writes:


I think i am moving to Mass.! I have had some good and bad experiences here in
FL, this is my 5th Ford vehicle and can only reccommend about a handful of
dealers, because i know the mechanics or know how customers have nothing but
good things to say about them from the sale to service and all areas in
between.

RS

In Massachusetts I have only one recommendation for a dealer and that is
Acton Ford in Acton, Massachusetts. When I ordered my truck (F-350 SD /
SuperCab / 4X4 / V-10 / 3.73LS / LongBed / "Built to the Tilt" [to answer
your question : XLT, no tutone paint, top-of-the-line-stereo, spare tire,
etc.]. I once ordered a vehicle [Expedition] from Framingham Ford. Got the
vehicle fairly quick but was not happy w/salesman and service department was
very unresponsive. I found Acton ford by shear luck when I tore one side of
the transmission crossmember in my Expedition 4-wheeling. Framingham Ford
said "drop it off and leave it, we will get to it when we can" so I looked
around and was told to try Acton ford. They put it on the rack immediately,
ordered the parts and told me I could drive it very gently until the new
crossmember came in. 2-days later it came in and they squeezed me in to put
in on the rack and fix it. The thing I like is the owner worked with me and
my salesman to discuss and verify my order so all the options that I wanted
were properly oredered, put my order in the computer and watched for it
every week for a build-date. They are all just good "normal" people, not
"hucksters" or "sharks" and the service department is clean, well equipped,
organized and the mechanics will spend time with you to discuss your
vehicle.


Keith
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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 01:59:53 EST
From: Y3Man aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Dealers taking care of Trucks

I totally agree...
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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 02:19:48 EST
From: Y3Man aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 99 F250 SD Questions

Well, my wife and I just bought a '99 F250 LD in lieu of a '99 F250 SD. We....


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