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In this issue:

Re: FTE 97up - Crazt bout a Ford truck?**V10??**
Re: FTE 97up - ADMIN: Chat
Re: FTE 97up - Re: Dealers taking care of Trucks
Re: FTE 97up - Crazt bout a Ford truck?**V10??**
FTE 97up - Re: first tow recommendations
FTE 97up - F150/LD250 Suspension Lift??
Re: FTE 97up - Crazt bout a Ford truck?
Re: FTE 97up - Re: Dealers taking care of Trucks
Re: FTE 97up - Re: Dealers taking care of Trucks
Re: FTE 97up - Crazt bout a Ford truck?
Re: FTE 97up - Crazt bout a Ford truck?
FTE 97up - Excursion
Re: FTE 97up - F150/LD250 Suspension Lift??
Re: FTE 97up - Crazt bout a Ford truck?
FTE 97up - Dealer care of trucks
FTE 97up - AirAid Intake
Re: FTE 97up - Re: Dealers taking care of Trucks
Re: FTE 97up - Re: Dealers taking care of Trucks
Re: FTE 97up - Re: Dealers taking care of Trucks
Re: FTE 97up - Re: Dealers taking care of Trucks
Re: FTE 97up - Re: Dealers taking care of Trucks
Re: FTE 97up - Re> Gas Pedal Spring
FTE 97up - Re. Dealers Taking Care of Trucks
FTE 97up - Re: Ford V-10 Breaking it in..
Re: FTE 97up - Re: Dealers taking care of Trucks
Re: FTE 97up - F150/LD250 Suspension Lift??
FTE 97up - Diesel fuel additives
Re: FTE 97up - Re: Dealers taking care of Trucks
Re: FTE 97up - Re: Ford V-10 Breaking it in..
Re: FTE 97up - Re: Dealers taking care of Trucks
Re: FTE 97up - Crazt bout a Ford truck?
Re: FTE 97up - Re: Dealers taking care of Trucks
Re: FTE 97up - Re: FTE 97up- first tow recommendations
Re: FTE 97up - Crazt bout a Ford truck?
Re: FTE 97up - Re: Dealers taking care of Trucks
FTE 97up - "Real Trucks"
Re: FTE 97up - Re: Dealers taking care of Trucks
Re: FTE 97up - Re: Ford V-10 Breaking it in..
Re: FTE 97up - Re: Dealers taking care of Trucks
Re: FTE 97up - F-150 a/c drain is dripping onto exhaust pipe
FTE 97up - "Real Trucks"
Re: FTE 97up - Re: Dealers taking care of Trucks
FTE 97up - A/C drain reroute

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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 03:26:14 PST
From: "Frank Spor"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Crazt bout a Ford truck?**V10??**

I don't think the figures 10. - to 14.- sound "bad" I have a 96 F150 4X4
(4.9 Straight six) that gets 13.5 up hill, downhill, towing the
trailer.....Whatever I tell it to do, it run "out" of gas at a litte
better than 500 Mi.

I want to know what the $4400 diesel gets....in an F250 4X4 Manual
transmission....Is the cost worth the price???????

Frank



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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 03:30:17 PST
From: "Frank Spor"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - ADMIN: Chat

Ken....

I'm gonna say something that few will say....


THANK YOU.

I don't want to give you the impression that you are saving the world,
or promoting peace on earth, but I am finding this valuable in it's own
little way.

Thanks again.

Frank



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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 03:34:02 PST
From: "Frank Spor"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Dealers taking care of Trucks

I have to agree with Ken....
But I also feel very strongly that I want to be present, and participate
in an active fashion in the "scratching" of My truck....

Every one of those scratches better have "earned" some money to go with
them.

I drove a Dodge last week, and could not believe how different an empty
pickup drove.

Frank



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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 06:57:37 -0500
From: Dorn Hetzel
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Crazt bout a Ford truck?**V10??**

Well, my 99 F350 SD CC PSD SRW AUTO get's a very consistent 14.5 mpg,
and I have a fairly lead foot.

On Thu, Dec 10, 1998 at 03:26:14AM -0800, Frank Spor wrote:
> I don't think the figures 10. - to 14.- sound "bad" I have a 96 F150 4X4
> (4.9 Straight six) that gets 13.5 up hill, downhill, towing the
> trailer.....Whatever I tell it to do, it run "out" of gas at a litte
> better than 500 Mi.
>
> I want to know what the $4400 diesel gets....in an F250 4X4 Manual
> transmission....Is the cost worth the price???????
>
> Frank
>
>
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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 07:08:00 -0500
From: "Paul Rider"
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: first tow recommendations

I believe the recommendation is to tow with OD off. But when I have towed
with my Expedition I just paid attention to what was happening with the
tranny. If it is jumping in and out of OD turn it off -- if it is holding in
OD on normal stretches I just left it alone.

Paul in Huber Heights, Ohio
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Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 17:21:54 EST
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: FTE 97up- first tow recommendations

I used to tow in 3rd all the time with my AOD F150, but would like some
input
from the list on OD or No OD for the F 250 SD PSD 4x4. I know it will tow
it
easily from what i hear you guys are pulling, but I just dont know alot
about
this new trans, i am more used to 3spd auto (C4, C6).


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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 06:54:56 -0600
From: "Strukel, Mike"
Subject: FTE 97up - F150/LD250 Suspension Lift??

Have any of you put a suspension lift on your F150/LD250 ? I am going to
order my truck on Saturday and 99% chance it will be a F250 SD SC V10, but
I usually am the kind of person that has to have a unique truck (lift,
paint, etc). I am going to explore the possibility of an F120/250LD with
a 4" suspension lift.
If anyone has done this, let me know what kind... Rancho, Trailmaster,
Procomp, etc? Also, did you have any problems with it, such as
alignment, etc?
Some of the adds claim you can fit a 35x12.50 tire with a 4"lift, is that
true?


Thanks,

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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 07:25:55 -0600
From: Bob Wickline
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Crazt bout a Ford truck?

>Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 14:17:10 -0800
>From: "Kirk Werner"
>Subject: FTE 97up - Crazt bout a Ford truck?
>
>I get the impression that many of you who own the new Super Duties seem to
>like them real well... That's good to know. Perhaps of more value to a
>prospective buyer is to hear what you do NOT like. Specifically if you own
>an F250 SD V10, what, if anything, do you not like about it?
>
>I think I'm about ready to get outa Dodge.

I have a '99 F350 CC PSD SRW 3.73 6-speed with ~12000 miles on it. My only complaint is driving through 20MPH school zones. Second gear is just a little too low and third gear is just a little too high. If I stay in second I find myself going 15MPH and if I shift into third I find myself creeping up to 25MPH. I opt for second since I'd rather torque off a few people than get a ticket...

Also (I guess I have another complaint) putting the power port just above the drink holder was a very bonehead thing to do Ford.

As you can see these is are pretty minor complaints. I'm very happy with my vehicle. I tow a 30' Achiever TT and it does a beautiful job at that and I drive it to work every day.

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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 07:31:56 -0600
From: "Charles Abraham"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Dealers taking care of Trucks

Email from "women" being pathetic? Better be careful here, I see a lot of
happy women on the road driving Ford trucks (now if their chevy's - that's a
different story). In fact, my wife is one. She owns her own '97 Ford truck
and has hauled everything from tree plantings weighing several hundred
pounds each to some really big boulders. So lets try and keep gender out of
this - okay?

Charles.

Ken Payne wrote:

> At 05:40 PM 12/9/98 -0800, you wrote:
> >a scratch is a
> >> testament
> >> >to correct usage!
> >
> >I can't believe what is printed above. Quick, someone
> >tell me I am dreaming!
> >
> >Michael
>
> I can believe it. Whatever happened to a truck being a
> truck instead of a status symbol for the neighbors to
> gawk at? You'd be amazed at how many emails I've gotten
> from women (and men, this is even more pathetic) complaining
> how their new truck doesn't handle like the 1000 lb rice
> burner they own.
>
> I'm willing to bet that 95% of the people who buy a new
> truck will never have more than 100lbs in the back. And
> during the period of ownership, it'll only haul that 100lbs
> maybe 3-4 times.
>
> Ken Payne
> Admin
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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 08:34:05 -0500
From: Chad Royse
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Dealers taking care of Trucks

Ken, I love ya man, but if what you say is true... you just insulted 95% of
your list members. For the record I bought my truck to tow and for the winter.
I don't need it to haul that often. And when I do, I am only concerned with
large deep scratches or dents. In a nutshell I bought my truck for a purpose
and that purpose does not warrant body damage. What's wrong with that?

Chad

Ken Payne wrote:

>
> I can believe it. Whatever happened to a truck being a
> truck instead of a status symbol for the neighbors to
> gawk at? You'd be amazed at how many emails I've gotten
> from women (and men, this is even more pathetic) complaining
> how their new truck doesn't handle like the 1000 lb rice
> burner they own.
>
> I'm willing to bet that 95% of the people who buy a new
> truck will never have more than 100lbs in the back. And
> during the period of ownership, it'll only haul that 100lbs
> maybe 3-4 times.
>
> Ken Payne
> Admin

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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 08:36:29 -0500
From: Chad Royse
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Crazt bout a Ford truck?

Correct me if I am wrong, but you are talking about a LD truck.

Eddie Pettit wrote:

> There are 4 in my SuperCab. 2 in the dash. One on the wall behind the
> driver and one on the bottom of the third door in the pocket on the
> passenger's side. The 2 in the back only hold cans, I think. I don't
> really remember anything other than the fact that they are there.
>
> I do know the one behind the driver's seat is perfect as a holder for a
> magnetic mount antenna used in one of those emergency kits.
>
> Eddie Pettit
> Midlothian VA

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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 08:37:54 -0500
From: Chad Royse
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Crazt bout a Ford truck?

Again. I have captain seats. I have a center console. You must be referring
to the LD. Or, Ford built me a very unique truck. ;)

"Jose Pomposo Jr." wrote:

> Actually there are six available if you have the center console.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eddie Pettit
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Date: Wednesday, December 09, 1998 4:10 PM
> Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Crazt bout a Ford truck?
>
> >There are 4 in my SuperCab. 2 in the dash. One on the wall behind the
> >driver and one on the bottom of the third door in the pocket on the
> >passenger's side. The 2 in the back only hold cans, I think. I don't
> >really remember anything other than the fact that they are there.
> >
> >I do know the one behind the driver's seat is perfect as a holder for a
> >magnetic mount antenna used in one of those emergency kits.
> >
> >Eddie Pettit
> >Midlothian VA
> >http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://surf.to/my97F150/
> >
> >From: Chad Royse
> >
> >>I swear my biggest complaint is, there are only two cup holders in the
> >entire
> >>supercab truck. I currently have no other complaints.
> >
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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 07:40:39 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: FTE 97up - Excursion

I was looking through my printouts I get daily from Ford. I was checking
the in transit and scheduled report and was laughing because they have never
taken Fiesta off of the list of vehicles. Then I noticed they added
Excursion to the list. This must mean that it is not far off. I'd heard
that it was going to be unveiled at the Detroit auto show, but I figured
that meant production starting this fall for the 2000 model year. It may
not be that far away. Also I'd guess that this makes the Excursion name
pretty official.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.
Union, IA 50258


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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 09:45:20 EST
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - F150/LD250 Suspension Lift??

In a message dated 98-12-10 08:03:12 EST, you write:

i don't even see why they make the F 250 LD , unless you like just putting
around town, They only lift kit stuff out right now is for SD, You can almost
fit a 35x12.5 under the truck stock i bet, but be prepared with a step ladder.

RS

Have any of you put a suspension lift on your F150/LD250 ? I am going to
order my truck on Saturday and 99% chance it will be a F250 SD SC V10, but
I usually am the kind of person that has to have a unique truck (lift,
paint, etc). I am going to explore the possibility of an F120/250LD with
a 4" suspension lift.
If anyone has done this, let me know what kind... Rancho, Trailmaster,
Procomp, etc? Also, did you have any problems with it, such as
alignment, etc?
Some of the adds claim you can fit a 35x12.50 tire with a 4"lift, is that
true?


Thanks,

Mike Strukel >>
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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 09:45:21 EST
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Crazt bout a Ford truck?

In a message dated 98-12-10 08:32:46 EST, you write:

I know my dad and i were thinking the same thing about the drink holder. Man
who ever did that on obviously cant drink and talk at the same time! They
should have put it in the same place as the Exploder has it.

RS
99 F250 SD 4x4 PSD SC

I have a '99 F350 CC PSD SRW 3.73 6-speed with ~12000 miles on it. My only
complaint is driving through 20MPH school zones. Second gear is just a little
too low and third gear is just a little too high. If I stay in second I find
myself going 15MPH and if I shift into third I find myself creeping up to
25MPH. I opt for second since I'd rather torque off a few people than get a
ticket...

Also (I guess I have another complaint) putting the power port just above the
drink holder was a very bonehead thing to do Ford.

As you can see these is are pretty minor complaints. I'm very happy with my
vehicle. I tow a 30' Achiever TT and it does a beautiful job at that and I
drive it to work every day.
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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 08:50:54 -0600
From: DanBrotzman
Subject: FTE 97up - Dealer care of trucks

No...scratches from the dealer are not exceptable, and grease on the =
interior is not exceptable either...period. I just sold my 1986 F350 4X4 =
diesel crew cab, SRW, 4spd and the truck only had one door ding on the =
passenger side. Did I only use it as a cookie cutter comuter/grocery =
getter? Actually the truck never left the driveway with less than 7,500# =
behind it, and towed up to 18,000# on occation. However I do all of my =
own service work, and won't alow anyone to touch my trucks. I put alot =
of miles on them, but they look as good as new when I sell them, I also =
get top dollar for my stuff. Most of the time I have people waiting for =
me to sell one of my trucks because they have been well cared for, yet =
still did their job. I used to be a service manager for a Peterbilt =
dealer in our state. I was the only person to drive a truck into the =
shop, with plastic on the seat, floor and clean cloths. I had yellow =
lines in each service bay and did not allow any tool boxes inside the =
lines. Each bay was cleaned daily or after a truck was serviced. I =
personally wiped any finger prints off the steering wheel, and grab =
handles, and wiped off the steps into the cab. We never had complaints =
about how a truck was returned to an owner. Even if a vehicle was dirty =
on arrival or showed signs of neglect, it still got our TLC...period. =
It's called good customer service, and good management. Anything less is =
not good service or management. Thats my 2cents worth.

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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 09:51:29 -0500
From: Bryson Jones
Subject: FTE 97up - AirAid Intake

I recently (month ago) purchased an AirAid intake with a K&N air filter =
for my 98 F-150 SC with the 4.6 V8. It has improved throttle response =
and acceleration. Effect on Gas mileage is too small to be sure of - =
possible an increase of a quarter mile per gallon. I get 17+ on the =
average. One big problem. When the temperature is below 40 degrees and =
the motor is idling or coasting, there is a tremendous noise from under =
the hood. Sounds like it is coming from the K&N filter. Why is this and =
what do I do about it?

Puzzled,

bgj shelby.net



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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 09:55:38 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Dealers taking care of Trucks

At 11:56 PM 12/9/98 -0500, you wrote:
- -snip-
>drive the bejesus out of my engines (they like it and I have never worn one
>out even after 180,000 miles) load my trucks to the breaking point and
>overall treat it like an old shoe. Of course, their are always those people
>that purchase a new truck every 2 years and never let it sit in the rain or
>carry more than a watermelon home from the store.....[I don't think it is
>95% of truck owners, though].
>
>
>Keith
>

I'll add a new survey to the web site. I'm fairly certain
the results will support my assumption. Ford didn't weaken
the suspension of the F150 and change it over to an
automotive suspension because the majority drive it as a
truck. They did it because the majority drive is as a car.

Ken

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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:00:55 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Dealers taking care of Trucks

At 08:34 AM 12/10/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Ken, I love ya man, but if what you say is true... you just insulted 95% of
>your list members. For the record I bought my truck to tow and for the
winter.
>I don't need it to haul that often. And when I do, I am only concerned with
>large deep scratches or dents. In a nutshell I bought my truck for a purpose
>and that purpose does not warrant body damage. What's wrong with that?
>
>Chad
>

I didn't say anything about the scratches, I was agreeing with
the statement that most people don't use their trucks as trucks.
And I honestly believe that most people on this list don't fall into
the 5% category. They join the list looking for solutions. I
don't see many threads discussing automotive issues, for the most
part they are truck issues. I think people need to look at the
point I was trying to make about the use of trucks.

Ken



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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:05:48 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Dealers taking care of Trucks

At 07:31 AM 12/10/98 -0600, you wrote:
>Email from "women" being pathetic? Better be careful here, I see a lot of
>happy women on the road driving Ford trucks (now if their chevy's - that's a
>different story). In fact, my wife is one. She owns her own '97 Ford truck
>and has hauled everything from tree plantings weighing several hundred
>pounds each to some really big boulders. So lets try and keep gender out of
>this - okay?
>
>Charles.
>
>> gawk at? You'd be amazed at how many emails I've gotten
>> from women (and men, this is even more pathetic) complaining
^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


I suggest that before anyone raises the left-wing political
correctness flag that they re-read my statement. Don't look
for something that doesn't exist. IMHO, it **is** pathetic
to think that a 4000lb truck is going to drive like a car.
I said it was pathetic from women **and** men. And I get
about 3 times more of these complaints from women then
men ---- THIS IS A FACT.

We have way too many "word police" in this world. I guess
it all boils down to what the definition of "is" is.

Ken Payne

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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 15:13:23 GMT
From: alannorthstar mindspring.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Dealers taking care of Trucks

On Wed, 09 Dec 1998 20:46:06 -0500, you wrote:

:At 05:40 PM 12/9/98 -0800, you wrote:
:>a scratch is a
:>> testament
:>> >to correct usage!=20
:>
:>I can't believe what is printed above. Quick, someone
:>tell me I am dreaming!
:>
:>Michael
Some guys have that "guy thing" attitude, I guess.
:
:I can believe it. Whatever happened to a truck being a
:truck instead of a status symbol for the neighbors to
:gawk at? You'd be amazed at how many emails I've gotten
:from women (and men, this is even more pathetic) complaining
:how their new truck doesn't handle like the 1000 lb rice
:burner they own.
:
:I'm willing to bet that 95% of the people who buy a new
:truck will never have more than 100lbs in the back. And
:during the period of ownership, it'll only haul that 100lbs
:maybe 3-4 times.
:
:Ken Payne
:Admin
:
You may be right. I got mine for the 4x4 and the winter
conditions where I live. Any car-like 4x4 would have cost me at
least $20,000 more. While I will probably haul some stuff in it,
because it is a truck and I can do that, it isn't the reason I
have it. =20

And, I want it to look good as long as it can, so I wouldn't sit
still for any dealer mechanic/geek smearing grease on it (inside
or out) or scratching it.

Later,
=20


"It is easy for men to write and talk like philosophers but to act
with wisdom, that is the rub."
-- Antbrain de Ravioli.
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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 15:17:26 GMT
From: alannorthstar mindspring.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Dealers taking care of Trucks

On Wed, 9 Dec 1998 23:40:47 -0500, you wrote:

:
:
:>rrpalmer eatel.net writes:
:>
:>
so I
:do
:> have to give them credit for that....and they did give me a '99 Taurus
:while
:> my truck is there (2 days so far). I will get it back tomorrow. ( Just
:hope
:> they did a good job on the repair.....ill let you all know)
:>
:> Ron >>
:>
:>
:>Ron:
:>
:>Maybe you'd be better off keeping the car. Trucks are made to be =
"used"
:and
:>will inevitably end up getting a little "scarred" - a scratch is a
:testament
:>to correct usage! So if a little scratch bothers you maybe you should =
just
:>keep the car.
:>
:>"The Aggravator!"
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:
:Wrong Mr. Aggrivator! Only the owner of the truck has the right to
:"scratch" it. I love driving my engines very hard and loading the **** =
out
:of my trucks until the rear bumper is almost on the ground, I also go =
off
:road and do not worry about tree-limb scratches that I put on the truck.=
I
:can do these things and more because it is MY Truck, I paid for it. The
:minute someone else is in charge of my truck, especially when you are
:paying them for a service, they better treat it kid gloves, they do not =
have
:the right to grease-up the seats, scratch the paint, drive it hard, =
etc.,
:only I do.
:
:
:Keith
:
Keith, you just got the issue defined correctly. If I want to
let my trucks front bumper kiss the concrete pillar in the
parking ramp, that's MY decision. =20

But, anybody who borrows my truck, especially when I'M PAYING FOR
THEM TO FIX IT, had darn well better return it without added
damage of any kind!

Later,
Alan


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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 15:19:59 GMT
From: alannorthstar mindspring.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re> Gas Pedal Spring

I have the same problem, but I also have speed control on my
Ranger, and I'm wondering if increasing the spring tension would
affect the speed control mechanism badly? Anyone know?

Later,
Alan


On Wed, 09 Dec 1998 07:03:29 -0500, you wrote:

:Just bend the metal bar that the spring attaches to, to lengthen the
:spring. I did this on my SD, it helps avoid excess shifting (auto) &
:makes it easier to hold a stedy speed. Mine was under plastic cover at
:throttle body.
:Lee Haefele
:
:> Is there some type of tension device such as a spring which can be =
replaced
:> to make the gas pedal a little more firm? My 1998 F150 SC 4.6L's gas =
pedal
:> is so "lite" to the touch that offroad I get pretty bad surges from my=
foot
:> bouncing on the gas pedal. My friend just purchased a 99 Dodge Dakota=
EC
:> w/318 V8 and his gas pedal exhibits significantly more =
resistance/effort and
:> is therefore less sensitive to bumps in the road.
:>=20
:> Steve
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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:16:11 EST
From: JDavis1277 aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Re. Dealers Taking Care of Trucks

Pretty amusing thread.

Lots of folks own trucks because they like them. That's a pretty good reason.
Some folks even need a truck to tow rather than as a cargo vehicle. Heck,
some folks even have to use the truck as a family vehicle because they can't
afford a nice truck and an Expedition.

I could accuse some folks of talking like redneck-slob-snobs. But I won't,
because they are not, but.....

It seems to me to be pretty unkind to make fun of someone who wants to keep a
truck looking good for as long as possible. You know, pride in ownership,
resale value, keep up the neighborhood?

If it does not matter what your truck looks like, I imagine you only clean the
windows and never wash or wax the truck?? Why get an XLT or Lariat, just hose
out the cab when the snuff cans get too deep to see the spit can on the floor.

Gun racks should be standard equipment. Shucks, you're not a real man if your
truck don't have a gun rack, right?

Good grief guys and gals, different strokes for different folks.

BTW, if the dealer damages my truck, they can expect to hear about it and take
care of it.

Thanks for your time,
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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:23:25 -0500
From: Dick_Dorff BayNetworks.COM (Dick Dorff)
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Ford V-10 Breaking it in..

Extremely interesting Nathan, thanks. A follow-up question or two
arises though. First, are you suggesting that the _best_ way to break
it in to drive hard, or not baby it, varying the RPMs of course? Our
'99 SD250 V10 is due 1/4 and it'll be used for occasional 5th wheel
towing, so I'd like to break it in so it'll have as much oomph as
possible, but also so that the engine will last as long as possible.

Second, out of curiosity and maybe of more interest to used engine
buyers, if it has been broken in without being driven hard (babied),
will subsequent hard driving re-break it in, or break it in 'the rest of
the way', and make it feel more powerful, or is that first xx,000 miles
your first and only chance?

Third, how long is that break-in period anyway?

Thanks,

Dick Dorff
Due 1/4: 99 F250SD CC SB XLT 4x4 V10 Auto 3.73ls TT Hitch Priv Slider

> Mon, 7 Dec 1998 16:29:20 -0600, "Union Auto" wrote:
>
> Vary the RPM's to get the rings seated (yours should already be
> seated) and otherwise drive as normal. Part of the break in is that
> the computer learns how you drive and adjusts to work best for you.
> If I jump in a truck that gets worked hard it usually feel much more
> powerful than one that gets babied where ever it goes.
>
> Nathan
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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:43:47 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Dealers taking care of Trucks

I think this topic is getting out of hand and I admit
I'm one of the guilty parties. I'm removing myself
from the flame war. It's a mild war right now, which
is acceptable according to our guidelines. I'd hate
to think I played a part in the topic crossing the
line.

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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 11:12:08 -0500
From: "Eddie Pettit"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - F150/LD250 Suspension Lift??

I've seen lift prices in the neighborhood of $1200US for the LD. I have the
F150 and without a lift I was able to fit P285/75R16s (33x11.50s) under it
without rubbing on or off road.

Eddie Pettit
Midlothian VA
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://surf.to/my97F150/

- ----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 1998 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - F150/LD250 Suspension Lift??


>In a message dated 98-12-10 08:03:12 EST, you write:
>
>i don't even see why they make the F 250 LD , unless you like just putting
>around town, They only lift kit stuff out right now is for SD, You can
almost
>fit a 35x12.5 under the truck stock i bet, but be prepared with a step
ladder.
>
>RS
>
> Have any of you put a suspension lift on your F150/LD250 ? I am going
to
> order my truck on Saturday and 99% chance it will be a F250 SD SC V10,
but
> I usually am the kind of person that has to have a unique truck (lift,
> paint, etc). I am going to explore the possibility of an F120/250LD
with
> a 4" suspension lift.
> If anyone has done this, let me know what kind... Rancho, Trailmaster,
> Procomp, etc? Also, did you have any problems with it, such as
> alignment, etc?
> Some of the adds claim you can fit a 35x12.50 tire with a 4"lift, is
that
> true?
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike Strukel >>
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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:25:05 -0600
From: "Dan Prescher"
Subject: FTE 97up - Diesel fuel additives

I'm at 1,300 miles on my 99 F-350 7.3L diesel, and it's time for me to ask
about fuel additives. I'll use Stanadyne Performance Formula just as an
example -- it supposedly replaces the lubricants missing from low-sulfur
fuels and improves combustibility, but I've also heard that it suspends
water so that it doesn't drop out in the separator and hence causes trouble
further down the line.

I'm hep to the no alcohol rule. My questions are -- is it necessary to use a
fuel conditioner? Will it affect my warranty? Will I trade injector problems
for other problems related to suspended water getting past the filter? Is
the low-sulfur deal just a scare tactic to sell additives? Is there a diesel
fuel brand that has consistent enough quality to buy with confidence over
the long term? When I go to Mexico, will an additive help bind up the sludge
to any degree?

If there's a FAQ or thread that's covered all this ground, I'd appreciate a
link. Thanks in advance. By the way, this is one of the two groups I read
daily -- there's that much good info and helpful attitude here.

Dan Prescher -- 99 F-350 SD SRW 7.3L PS 6-speed 4WD Supercab long bed.


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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 11:42:46 -0500
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Dealers taking care of Trucks

I was talking about "real trucks", e.g., the F-250, and F-350 SuperDuties,
not "hybrid" truck/cars like the F-150s. [Before I get flamed for that
statement, let me say that F-150s can certainly be sucessfully utilized for
light to medium truck-duty; however, many of the mechanical components are
"car-sized" and "car-designed" to eliminate rough rides and provide better
"car-like" handling]. I do agree with you that more F-150s will be used as
mall runners than F-250 or F-350 SuperDuties.


Keith



>At 11:56 PM 12/9/98 -0500, you wrote:
>-snip-
>>drive the bejesus out of my engines (they like it and I have never worn
one
>>out even after 180,000 miles) load my trucks to the breaking point and
>>overall treat it like an old shoe. Of course, their are always those
people
>>that purchase a new truck every 2 years and never let it sit in the rain
or
>>carry more than a watermelon home from the store.....[I don't think it is
>>95% of truck owners, though].
>>
>>
>>Keith
>>
>
>I'll add a new survey to the web site. I'm fairly certain
>the results will support my assumption. Ford didn't weaken
>the suspension of the F150 and change it over to an
>automotive suspension because the majority drive it as a
>truck. They did it because the majority drive is as a car.
>
>Ken
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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 12:01:56 -0500
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Ford V-10 Breaking it in..

Good questions. Does anyone out there know the true-scientific/engineering
facots, methods and descriptions of "breaking-in". It seems that
"breaking-in" an engine is something that is surrounded by a lot of voodoo,
old wives tales, "I heard from a freind of a freind", etc., etc. Owners
manuals even say: "There is no formal Break-in Period, but vary the RPMs
and do not tow for the first 500 miles". Especially with regards to using
or not using synthetic oil until the "rings seat" etc. Seems some cars
(Corvettes, Porches, etc.) come from the factory filled with synthetic oil
such as Mobil-1-).

What is the true story about Breaking-in one of the new Triton Engines???
Anyone???


Keith



>Extremely interesting Nathan, thanks. A follow-up question or two
>arises though. First, are you suggesting that the _best_ way to break
>it in to drive hard, or not baby it, varying the RPMs of course? Our
>'99 SD250 V10 is due 1/4 and it'll be used for occasional 5th wheel
>towing, so I'd like to break it in so it'll have as much oomph as
>possible, but also so that the engine will last as long as possible.
>
>Second, out of curiosity and maybe of more interest to used engine
>buyers, if it has been broken in without being driven hard (babied),
>will subsequent hard driving re-break it in, or break it in 'the rest of
>the way', and make it feel more powerful, or is that first xx,000 miles
>your first and only chance?
>
>Third, how long is that break-in period anyway?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Dick Dorff
>Due 1/4: 99 F250SD CC SB XLT 4x4 V10 Auto 3.73ls TT Hitch Priv Slider
>
>> Mon, 7 Dec 1998 16:29:20 -0600, "Union Auto" wrote:
>>
>> Vary the RPM's to get the rings seated (yours should already be
>> seated) and otherwise drive as normal. Part of the break in is that
>> the computer learns how you drive and adjusts to work best for you.
>> If I jump in a truck that gets worked hard it usually feel much more
>> powerful than one that gets babied where ever it goes.
>>
>> Nathan
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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:01:30 -0800
From: "Alan Wilson"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Dealers taking care of Trucks

Ken Payne wrote:

> At 08:34 AM 12/10/98 -0500, you wrote:
> >Ken, I love ya man, but if what you say is true... you just insulted 95% of
> >your list members. For the record I bought my truck to tow and for the
> winter.
> >Chad
> >
>
> I didn't say anything about the scratches, I was agreeing with
> the statement that most people don't use their trucks as trucks.

Ken

I bought my truck for everyday use as my main vehicle. I don't think I will ever
tow many things with it. So I want it looking good as well. But I also realize
that it is a "Truck" and I don't expect it to always be clean. I don't cry when I
get a few scratches here and there. And I expect some bad things to happen to
it. I agree with Ken that many people expect too much from their trucks.
Afterall, it's a truck.
- --
Alan Wilson
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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:29:48 -0800
From: "Jose Pomposo Jr."
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Crazt bout a Ford truck?

Yes, I have an F-150 and the extra pair are on the dash. You push in a
panel and out they come. There are two in the center console and two on the
rear doors. That makes six.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Chad Royse
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Thursday, December 10, 1998 5:42 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Crazt bout a Ford truck?


>Again. I have captain seats. I have a center console. You must be
referring
>to the LD. Or, Ford built me a very unique truck. ;)
>
>"Jose Pomposo Jr." wrote:
>
>> Actually there are six available if you have the center console.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Eddie Pettit
>> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>> Date: Wednesday, December 09, 1998 4:10 PM
>> Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Crazt bout a Ford truck?
>>
>> >There are 4 in my SuperCab. 2 in the dash. One on the wall behind the
>> >driver and one on the bottom of the third door in the pocket on the
>> >passenger's side. The 2 in the back only hold cans, I think. I don't
>> >really remember anything other than the fact that they are there.
>> >
>> >I do know the one behind the driver's seat is perfect as a holder for a
>> >magnetic mount antenna used in one of those emergency kits.
>> >
>> >Eddie Pettit
>> >Midlothian VA
>> >http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://surf.to/my97F150/
>> >
>> >From: Chad Royse
>> >
>> >>I swear my biggest complaint is, there are only two cup holders in the
>> >entire
>> >>supercab truck. I currently have no other complaints.
>> >
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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:42:47 -0800
From: "Jose Pomposo Jr."
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Dealers taking care of Trucks

Why did you have to go and say that? I really think that you should come
out to Los Angeles\Beverly Hills the landscape and construction capitol of
the world and see these F-150's haul a**. I have an old 1972 F-100 and I
have loaded it with dirt, gravel, boulders and huge trees for 19 years and
350,000 miles and all I have ever done is put oil and gas in it while my
1983 F-350 Dually stake bed rarely sees the road so don't say that the LD's
are not real trucks.
(
- -----Original Message-----
From: Keith Veren
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Thursday, December 10, 1998 8:47 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Dealers taking care of Trucks


>
>I was talking about "real trucks", e.g., the F-250, and F-350 SuperDuties,
>not "hybrid" truck/cars like the F-150s. [Before I get flamed for that
>statement, let me say that F-150s can certainly be sucessfully utilized for
>light to medium truck-duty; however, many of the mechanical components are
>"car-sized" and "car-designed" to eliminate rough rides and provide better
>"car-like" handling]. I do agree with you that more F-150s will be used as
>mall runners than F-250 or F-350 SuperDuties.
>
>
>Keith
>
>
>
>>At 11:56 PM 12/9/98 -0500, you wrote:
>>-snip-
>>>drive the bejesus out of my engines (they like it and I have never worn
>one
>>>out even after 180,000 miles) load my trucks to the breaking point and
>>>overall treat it like an old shoe. Of course, their are always those
>people
>>>that purchase a new truck every 2 years and never let it sit in the rain
>or
>>>carry more than a watermelon home from the store.....[I don't think it is
>>>95% of truck owners, though].
>>>
>>>
>>>Keith
>>>
>>
>>I'll add a new survey to the web site. I'm fairly certain
>>the results will support my assumption. Ford didn't weaken
>>the suspension of the F150 and change it over to an
>>automotive suspension because the majority drive it as a
>>truck. They did it because the majori
ty drive is as a car.
>>
>>Ken
>>
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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 08:30:18 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: FTE 97up- first tow recommendations

The safest thing is to tow with OD off. I haven't had a temp gauge on a
Super Duty yet, (cooling is supposed to be much better than any previous
truck) but on an old style truck with the E4OD it was OK to tow in OD if it
didn't shift in and out. The problem was that when you'd slow down (like on
an off ramp) the transmission would get warm at this point. What happens is
the fluid isn't getting circulated fast enough at these low speeds to get
rid of the heat that was generated. If you kick OD off just before you slow
down it will eliminate this problem (well potential problem, many people tow
in OD with no problems.)

Nathan

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From: RSnovi aol.com
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, December 09, 1998 4:51 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: FTE 97up- first tow recommendations


>Tommorrow it looks like i will be towing my old 89 F 150 4x4 about 350
miles
>to sell, i have rented a U haul trailer(ugh) to put it on because my car
>trailer is not here at present time.
> So anyways, it looks like i will have about 6-8k behind my F250 SD 4x4
PSD
>w/ 2500 miles on the clock.
> I used to tow in 3rd all the time with my AOD F150, but would like some
input
>from the list on OD or No OD for the F 250 SD PSD 4x4. I know it will tow
it
>easily from what i hear you guys are pulling, but I just dont know alot
about
>this new trans, i am more used to 3spd auto (C4, C6).
>
>thanks in advance
>
>Ross S.


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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 14:52:07 -0600 (CST)
From: dfloyd fnord.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Crazt bout a Ford truck?

>
> Again. I have captain seats. I have a center console. You must be referring
> to the LD. Or, Ford built me a very unique truck. ;)

I have six as well, but I got the LD, center console as well. 2 in
the dash, 2 in the console, and 2 in the back (one on the door, the other
in the map pocket).

Its different in the SD's, IIRC.

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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 14:54:04 -0500
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Dealers taking care of Trucks

Please re-read my message. I agree that F-150s can be used for light and
medium-duty hauling (please do not confuse medium-duty hauling with
heavy-duty hauling, I consider heavy-duty hauling at least 3,500 to 6,000 lb
payload and 10,000 to 14,000 lb trailers, which are approximately the
typical limits of the SuperDuties, depending on options) I will admit that I
should have said the current F-150s now that the F-250/350 SuperDuties have
arrived. The old F-150/250/350 series shared the same frame and typically
the many of the same parts and designs. With the introduction of the
SuperDuties, the series was split and the F-150s were provided with many
"car-like" features and the SuperDuties were designed with many more
"truck-like" parts and features for more heavy-duty hauling. Do you
disagree with that??
By the way, I did not mean to imply that there is anything wrong with beiing
"car-like".

Keith


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From: Jose Pomposo Jr.
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Thursday, December 10, 1998 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Dealers taking care of Trucks


>Why did you have to go and say that? I really think that you should come
>out to Los Angeles\Beverly Hills the landscape and construction capitol of
>the world and see these F-150's haul a**. I have an old 1972 F-100 and I
>have loaded it with dirt, gravel, boulders and huge trees for 19 years and
>350,000 miles and all I have ever done is put oil and gas in it while my
>1983 F-350 Dually stake bed rarely sees the road so don't say that the LD's
>are not real trucks.
>(
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Keith Veren
>To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>Date: Thursday, December 10, 1998 8:47 AM
>Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Dealers taking care of Trucks
>
>
>>
>>I was talking about "real trucks", e.g., the F-250, and F-350 SuperDuties,
>>not "hybrid" truck/cars like the F-150s. [Before I get flamed for t
hat
>>statement, let me say that F-150s can certainly be sucessfully utilized
for
>>light to medium truck-duty; however, many of the mechanical components are
>>"car-sized" and "car-designed" to eliminate rough rides and provide better
>>"car-like" handling]. I do agree with you that more F-150s will be used
as
>>mall runners than F-250 or F-350 SuperDuties.
>>
>>
>>Keith
>>
>>
>>
>>>At 11:56 PM 12/9/98 -0500, you wrote:
>>>-snip-
>>>>drive the bejesus out of my engines (they like it and I have never worn
>>one
>>>>out even after 180,000 miles) load my trucks to the breaking point and
>>>>overall treat it like an old shoe. Of course, their are always those
>>people
>>>>that purchase a new truck every 2 years and never let it sit in the rain
>>or
>>>>carry more than a watermelon home from the store.....[I don't think it
is
>>>>95% of truck owners, though].
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Keith
>>>>
>>>
>>>I'll add a new survey to the web site. I'm fairly certain
>>>the results will support my assumption. Ford didn't weaken
>>>the suspension of the F150 and change it over to an
>>>automotive suspension because the majority drive it as a
>>>truck. They did it because the majori
>ty drive is as a car.
>>>
>>>Ken
>>>
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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 14:58:37 -0500
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: FTE 97up - "Real Trucks"

I do admit I should not have used the term "real trucks", my appologies to
all F-150 owners, they are indeed real trucks.










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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 15:06:29 -0500
From: Dorn Hetzel
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Dealers taking care of Trucks

Well...

Before mine was a month old, I had about 4500lbs in the back, and it
handled just fine. In fact, the ride was a lot smoother than when
empty :) Also, I have a 24ft travel trailer that weighs around 5000lb,
and when I used to pull it with my blazer, it was all the blazer could
do not to heave it's guts out on the road, even with a load distributing
hitch. With my 350, I don't even bother with the load dist. hitch and
if I don't look in the rear view mirrors, I wouldn't even know the
trailer was there...

-Dorn

On Thu, Dec 10, 1998 at 08:34:05AM -0500, Chad Royse wrote:
> Ken, I love ya man, but if what you say is true... you just insulted 95% of
> your list members. For the record I bought my truck to tow and for the winter.
> I don't need it to haul that often. And when I do, I am only concerned with
> large deep scratches or dents. In a nutshell I bought my truck for a purpose
> and that purpose does not warrant body damage. What's wrong with that?
>
> Chad
>
> Ken Payne wrote:
>
> >
> > I can believe it. Whatever happened to a truck being a
> > truck instead of a status symbol for the neighbors to
> > gawk at? You'd be amazed at how many emails I've gotten
> > from women (and men, this is even more pathetic) complaining
> > how their new truck doesn't handle like the 1000 lb rice
> > burner they own.
> >
> > I'm willing to bet that 95% of the people who buy a new
> > truck will never have more than 100lbs in the back. And
> > during the period of ownership, it'll only haul that 100lbs
> > maybe 3-4 times.
> >
> > Ken Payne
> > Admin
>
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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 14:02:06 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Ford V-10 Breaking it in..

First I want to say that this is my OPINION and not any proven fact. If I
were getting a new truck I'd baby the brakes for the first 1,000 miles. I'd
run with the hubs locked on a 4x4 for 500 miles or so to make sure the front
end is correct and functional (before your sitting stuck wishing you'd
tested it earlier). As for the engine, On my own vehicle I'd run it hard
and fast as these seem to have much more power than ones that get driven
easy. They do seem to come around if you run them hard later, but I don't
know if it is as good. One trick I know people used to do with 5.0L
Mustangs was to unhook the battery a couple of days before a race weekend
allowing the computer to forget everything. Then on the day of the races,
go out and drive hard to reteach the PCM. I'd think this would work to
speed up the learning process on a used car also.

Nathan

- -----Original Message-----
From: Dick Dorff
To: 97up
Date: Thursday, December 10, 1998 9:46 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Ford V-10 Breaking it in..


>Extremely interesting Nathan, thanks. A follow-up question or two
>arises though. First, are you suggesting that the _best_ way to break
>it in to drive hard, or not baby it, varying the RPMs of course? Our
>'99 SD250 V10 is due 1/4 and it'll be used for occasional 5th wheel
>towing, so I'd like to break it in so it'll have as much oomph as
>possible, but also so that the engine will last as long as possible.
>
>Second, out of curiosity and maybe of more interest to used engine
>buyers, if it has been broken in without being driven hard (babied),
>will subsequent hard driving re-break it in, or break it in 'the rest of
>the way', and make it feel more powerful, or is that first xx,000 miles
>your first and only chance?
>
>Third, how long is that break-in period anyway?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Dick Dorff
>Due 1/4: 99 F250SD CC SB XLT 4x4 V10 Auto 3.73ls TT Hitch Priv Slider
>
>> Mon, 7 Dec 1998 16:29:20 -0600, "Union Auto" wrote:
>>
>> Vary the RPM's to get the rings seated (yours should already be
>> seated) and otherwise drive as normal. Part of the break in is that
>> the computer learns how you drive and adjusts to work best for you.
>> If I jump in a truck that gets worked hard it usually feel much more
>> powerful than one that gets babied where ever it goes.
>>
>> Nathan
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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 15:08:59 -0500
From: Dorn Hetzel
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Dealers taking care of Trucks

when my truck was about a month old, I ran over a tree and broke the front
steering stabilizer clean off. been waiting for my local dealer to get
in a replacement, which seems to be seriously back-ordered, but it doesn't
seem to have seriously affected the handling. same tree put a small bend
in the right-hand step and a small dent in the body past the end of the
step, no big deal, just adds a little character :)

On Thu, Dec 10, 1998 at 10:01:30AM -0800, Alan Wilson wrote:
>
> Ken Payne wrote:
>
> > At 08:34 AM 12/10/98 -0500, you wrote:
> > >Ken, I love ya man, but if what you say is true... you just insulted 95% of
> > >your list members. For the record I bought my truck to tow and for the
> > winter.
> > >Chad
> > >
> >
> > I didn't say anything about the scratches, I was agreeing with
> > the statement that most people don't use their trucks as trucks.
>
> Ken
>
> I bought my truck for everyday use as my main vehicle. I don't think I will ever
> tow many things with it. So I want it looking good as well. But I also realize
> that it is a "Truck" and I don't expect it to always be clean. I don't cry when I
> get a few scratches here and there. And I expect some bad things to happen to
> it. I agree with Ken that many people expect too much from their trucks.
> Afterall, it's a truck.
> --
> Alan Wilson
> x3750
>
>
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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 14:10:41 -0600 CST
From: Dan kbselectric.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - F-150 a/c drain is dripping onto exhaust pipe

I also have a '99 F-150 5.4L 4 x 4 XLT and have noticed the same
thing.......please let me know if you do find a TSB on this....looks
like it might create problems over the long haul.

thanks

Dan kbselectric.com
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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 15:30:21 -0500 (EST)
From: fss altavista.net
Subject: FTE 97up - "Real Trucks"

But my Ranger isn't?

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