97up-list-digest Wednesday, December 9 1998 Volume 01 : Number 303



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In this issue:

RE: FTE 97up - Dodge vs. Ford
FTE 97up - Re: delete power windows
Re: FTE 97up - Dunlop 285/75-16 tires on stock rims on F150 4x4
Re: FTE 97up - 4 wheel disc brakes on F-150
Re: FTE 97up - Discontinued color :(
Re: FTE 97up - Dodge vs. Ford
Re: FTE 97up - service experience
Re: FTE 97up - Re: delete power windows
Re: FTE 97up - Dealers and 4.2
FTE 97up - Re: Dealers taking care of Trucks
FTE 97up - Gas Pedal Spring
Re: FTE 97up -Truck Back - Service engine light

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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 06:03:02 -0600
From: "Strukel, Mike"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Dodge vs. Ford

Actually, I am 99.9% sure I would buy the Ford Superduty over the Dodge,
even if my wife did not get the discount.


Mike Strukel

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Don Lewoniuk [SMTP:dlewoniuk pmhab.ab.ca]
> Sent: Friday, December 04, 1998 4:30 PM
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Dodge vs. Ford
>
> How nuch of an influence is the 'A plan'?
>
> > Of course, since my wife works for Ford Credit, the "A plan" discount
> is
> > definately an influence!
>
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Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 07:04:15 -0500
From: Lee Haefele
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: delete power windows

If I order XLT and pick up package 617A to get
cruise and A/C, can I delete the power windows?
(cranking windows to spit a wad is how I stay
in such great shape)
Power windows are great, you can spit while talking on the phone, + you
can throw your banana peels out the ditch side. Also you can roll
passenger window down to keep truck cool when you stop, then roll it
back up after you drive off.
Cab Chassis is normally cheaper, check out this $900 rebate for buying
a body.
Cab Chassis has much heavier frame & springs (Do NOT order pickup
W/"Box Removal Option", it is NOT the same.).
E.mail me direct if you have questions, I have this same vehicle W/DRW
& V-10.
Lee Haefele
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Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 08:42:23 -0600
From: "Charles Abraham"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Dunlop 285/75-16 tires on stock rims on F150 4x4

What's on the side wall of your new tire versus the original, as maximum PSI? Is
it greater for the Dunlop? If it is then I would think that the old spec's would
no longer apply. The worst thing for you and your new tires is to drive on them
under inflated.

The more I look at vehicle manufacturer's recommended tire pressures the more
I'm convinced there's more "butt" than "bump" in their calculation.

Charles.

>
>
> >Immediately after taking delivery of my '99 F150 I swapped the 255/70-16
> >Goodyears for 285/75-16 Dunlop Radial Rover A/Ts on the stock 7" rims.
> >Ford says to run the stock tires at 32psi, so I tried this on the new
> >Dunlops, and the ride was nice, but I could immediately feel alot of
> >drag (rolling resistance) compared to the Goodyears
>
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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 14:34:26 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 4 wheel disc brakes on F-150

I'd guess the reason they added 4 wheel disc is the amount of advertising
Chevy is doing it steals a lot of their thunder if we have it too. I doubt
they have a retro-fit kit, but I'm sure someone will make one aftermaket.

Nathan Bernard

- -----Original Message-----
From: Steve
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, December 07, 1998 7:35 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 4 wheel disc brakes on F-150


>Union Auto wrote:
>
>> Ford just announced this morning that starting on all trucks produced
after
>> Dec. 2nd all F-150's with 4 wheel ABS (all Lariats and XLT's optional on
>> others) will have 4 wheel disc brakes. F-250 LD already had 4 wheel disc
>> with ABS and all Super Duty's have 4 wheel disc.
>>
>> Nathan Bernard
>> Union Auto, Inc.
>> Union, IA 50258
>>
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> I don't suppose there's any chance of getting Ford to do a retrofit for
>trucks already produced is there? I almost got a F250 to get the 4 wheel
>disks. Do you know why Ford decided to put 4 wheel disks on with ABS? Is
>there a problem with the ABS and drums?
>
>
>--
> Steve #1
>
>'99 F150 Regular Cab 5.4 4X4
>'97 Mustang GT
>'87 K5 Blazer 350 4X4
>
>
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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 14:27:10 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Discontinued color :(

The teal was discontinued for ordering in late November with the last teal
unit being produced in late Dec. When you order a truck, they build it from
the frame up. I'd guess 6-8 week delivery time normally but with Christmas
you might get a 2-3 week delay.

Nathan Bernard

- -----Original Message-----
From: Bill Sullivan
To: Ford Truck Digest
Date: Monday, December 07, 1998 9:04 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - Discontinued color :(


>Hey,
>
> Awhile ago I had put in an order for a 1999 F-150 XLT Flareside
>SuperCab 4X4. Got the 5.4V8, Limited slip, captain's chairs, cab steps,
>Skid Plates, 16" Tires. I ordered it in teal /w med. grey graphite
>interior. Well, I got a call last week saying that ford 'discontinued'
>the Teal Clear Coat Metallic color option because it wasn't that
>popular. Has anyone else heard of this? I mean, I would think that it
>would be fair to still allow that color option (It's not like they ran
>out or anything, right?) without charging anything extra, since the
>DEALERSHIP I ordered it from didn't even know until then. Not to
>mention the color is in the book for the 1999 F-150's as well.
>
> So, I winded up getting the Dark Toreador Red & Tan interior. I'm
>hoping I'll like this as much. We'll see tho. I ordered it about the
>3rd week of November. I'm still waiting for it. Does anyone also know
>how long orders take, and what they actually do when you order a truck?
>Do they actually Make the truck you ordered? Just curious if anyone
>knows.
>
>-Bill Sullivan


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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 14:31:37 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Dodge vs. Ford

A plan is usually about $1000 under dealer cost. Then the dealer gets
reimbursed by Ford for the sale. The reimbursement is usually much better
that what a dealer usually makes off of a normal sale, so everybody's happy.

Nathan

- -----Original Message-----
From: Don Lewoniuk
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Friday, December 04, 1998 4:42 PM
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Dodge vs. Ford


>How nuch of an influence is the 'A plan'?
>
>> Of course, since my wife works for Ford Credit, the "A plan" discount is
>> definately an influence!
>
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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 14:39:03 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - service experience

Ford dealers don't get free training with good service scores. What it
entitles you to are access to trips and contests. Some sales contests
require that the dealership has certain scores on these surveys. Ford also
has a award they give to dealers with the best scores on these surveys. It
used to be called the Chairman's award, but last year they changed the name
to North American Customer Excellence Award. We won this last year (1997)
and in 1994. There were about 3 dealers in Iowa that won this award. But
for the dealer it is a nice vacation trip, a plaque, some banners, and
bragging rights.

Nathan Bernard

- -----Original Message-----
From: tc73
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, December 07, 1998 9:13 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - service experience


>>Also,at chevy dealers not sure about ford probably the same, the service
>survey ford sends to you about service is very, very important to a dealer.
>each dealer in a region gets points for good service which then gets the
>dealer special tools,speciality training etc.
>
>So send in the serveys tell them the service you received


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Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 15:44:41 -0600 (CST)
From: dfloyd fnord.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: delete power windows

> Cab Chassis is normally cheaper, check out this $900 rebate for buying
> a body.
> Cab Chassis has much heavier frame & springs (Do NOT order pickup
> W/"Box Removal Option", it is NOT the same.).
> E.mail me direct if you have questions, I have this same vehicle W/DRW
> & V-10.
> Lee Haefele

Can one get a pickup bed (as in a "regular" short or long bed" for a chassis
cab pickup?

(Just thinking it would be great to recommend to a friend a F550 + a long
bed for excellent towing capacity.)
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Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 19:50:24 -0800
From: Danny Gaudenti
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Dealers and 4.2

>One of our trucks is a F150 with the 4.2 V6 and we love it! I recommend
>the base engine because power is more than adequate and I love 25 M.P.G.

You get 25 MPG? Pretty good. The best I've seen is 22 MPG, but that was
only with about 80% highway driving (with some rush hour stop-and-go). I'd
expect to get a little better if I do 100% highway, but not 25. 'Course it
probably doesn't help having CA emissions and a hilly commute.

Danny
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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 21:52:15 -0600
From: "Ronald Palmer"
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Dealers taking care of Trucks

Hi Folks

Just wanted to say thanks for all the comments about having your truck at
the dealer for service. Sounds like we just all need to be extra carefull
and have a walk around the truck with the service writer prior to leaving
it.......to show them that it is clean....inside and out.....and there is no
body damage. And also express that it should be returned in the same
conidition.

The dealer is actually taking the responsibility to fix the damage, so I do
have to give them credit for that....and they did give me a '99 Taurus while
my truck is there (2 days so far). I will get it back tomorrow. ( Just hope
they did a good job on the repair.....ill let you all know)

Ron

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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 23:35:51 -0500
From: "Anne Mitchell"
Subject: FTE 97up - Gas Pedal Spring

Is there some type of tension device such as a spring which can be replaced
to make the gas pedal a little more firm? My 1998 F150 SC 4.6L's gas pedal
is so "lite" to the touch that offroad I get pretty bad surges from my foot
bouncing on the gas pedal. My friend just purchased a 99 Dodge Dakota EC
w/318 V8 and his gas pedal exhibits significantly more resistance/effort and
is therefore less sensitive to bumps in the road.

Steve

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Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 05:00:26 EST
From: FISHNG1 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up -Truck Back - Service engine light

Truck Back - Service engine light


To: All, From: Steve (FishNg1) (FishNg1 aol.com)
Time: Wednesday 12-09-98, 04:56 am



Picked up my truck from the dealer today after a
few days in the shop for Rough Idle and the Service
Engine Light that came on at 999 miles on my PSD.
They seemed to have fixed the problem, but the
truck seems to have less power when you kick in
the Turbo, but it could be because they loaned me a
98 Taurus with the 24 valve OHC motor. It was a
very zippy and fast ride! Couldnt believe that, but
back to the diesel. I picked the truck up late and
did not get to personally get to talk to a service
guy, but here is what the invoice said in a
nutshell.
Performed quick test/ngs and got codes P1277 &
P1361. Performed pin point test and found IDM was
to be replaced. Installed new IDM, reran test and
all came up Pass.
While on road test, started running rough again.
Reran NGS test and got same codes. Did pin test
and now it shows Injector side open. Before it was
4.3 ohms on it. As per book removed injector &
installed new one. Reran all tests and all normal
now.
Can anyone tell me what all those abbreviations....

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