97up-list-digest Tuesday, December 8 1998 Volume 01 : Number 302



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In this issue:

FTE 97up - Re:V-6 motor
FTE 97up - More dealer comments
Re: FTE 97up - 4 wheel disc brakes on F-150
Re: FTE 97up - Re:Body rebate
FTE 97up - piston slap
Re: FTE 97up - 4.2V6 vs. 4.6V8
Re: FTE 97up - Triton "economy" and "power" modes
Re: FTE 97up - telling 4.6L from 5.4L
FTE 97up - 2.5L 4 cylinder
FTE 97up - Letter from Ford
Re: FTE 97up - Letter from Ford
Re: FTE 97up - Factory Temp Gauge
Re: FTE 97up - speedo calibration
Re: FTE 97up - Letter from Ford
FTE 97up - Advice on F350 cab/chassis
FTE 97up - Ford V-10 Breaking it in..
FTE 97up - ADMIN: Chat
FTE 97up - Dealer damage
FTE 97up - Dunlop 285/75-16 tires on stock rims on F150 4x4
FTE 97up - Power Stroke Registry
Re: FTE 97up - Ford V-10 Breaking it in..
Re: FTE 97up - Dealer damage
Re: FTE 97up - 2.5L 4 cylinder
FTE 97up - Dealership Dealings
FTE 97up - F-150 Lug nut Recall
FTE 97up - Dealers and 4.2
Re: FTE 97up - Ford V-10 Breaking it in..
Re: FTE 97up - Dunlop 285/75-16 tires on stock rims on F150 4x4
Re: FTE 97up - Ford V-10 Breaking it in..
Re: FTE 97up - 4 wheel disc brakes on F-150
FTE 97up - Discontinued color :(
FTE 97up - service experience
FTE 97up - Need Picture of 59 ford F-150 with bell body
FTE 97up - F-350 / 4X4 / V-10
Re: FTE 97up - 2.5L 4 cylinder
Re: FTE 97up - piston slap
Re: FTE 97up - 2.5L 4 cylinder

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Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 06:56:11 -0500
From: Lee Haefele
Subject: FTE 97up - Re:V-6 motor

> i learned a long tiime ago never go and purchase a vehicle with the
> base engine. you will be very unhappy with the small motor
>
>
>
> - ---Chuck Pollak wrote:
> >
> > I need some input. I ordered a F-150 4x4 with the V-6 engine. The
> 4.6v8
Go take one for a looong drive, you might find out lots of things,
like how you like the shifting, the seats etc. A prev poster said his
v-6 was quite zippy. I never buy a vehicle without driving one,
usually for 2 days, 100 miles. Ask the dealer for an overnught demo.
Lee Haefele
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Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 08:13:44 -0500 (EST)
From: fss altavista.net
Subject: FTE 97up - More dealer comments

Not to simply chime in "me too"...but...
I've had nothing but good dealer experiences with my '98 Ranger. Each time I've taken in for service or maintenance, it's always been returned in clean condition. They even wash it (OK, probably simply rinse it off, but hey....) afterwards.

When I had my "free" oil change at 6K they >DID

Of course the best thing I like about the servcie department at Capital Ford (Raleigh, NC) is they're open 'til midnight! That in itself is worth quite a lot!

+----------------------------------+
Rick Sapir fss altavista.net
+----------------------------------+
It takes two to lie. One to lie and one to listen.
- Homer J. Simpson

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Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 19:12:28 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 4 wheel disc brakes on F-150

All F-250LD made (in the new body style since 1997) with 4 wheel ABS got the
rear disc brakes. For 1999 XLT and Lariat models have this standard. XL
and Work series have ABS as an option so have drum rear brakes as standard.

Nathan

- -----Original Message-----
From: Rob Bryan
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Cc: Ford Truck Enthusiast ; F-150 List

Date: Friday, December 04, 1998 6:54 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 4 wheel disc brakes on F-150


>Nathan,
>
>Just for clarification, on the 250LD, do just the units with 4WABS get
>4-wheel discs? I have seen a bunch of '97 & '98 F-250LD XLT and Lariat
>SuperCabs with discs on the rear. But I saw at the SF auto show last week a
>stripper '99 F-250LD 2WD regular cab that had drums on the rear. And in an
>article in some magazine that compared the LD to the SD F-250, they also
>claimed that the truck had rear drums, even though it was a Lariat that
>should have had 4WABS. Since I will (hopefully) be ordering a F-250LD SC
>4x4 soon, I'd like to know if I'll still be getting rear discs.
>
>Thanks,
>Rob
>
>At 7:57 AM -0600 12/04/98, Union Auto wrote:
>>Ford just announced this morning that starting on all trucks produced
after
>>Dec. 2nd all F-150's with 4 wheel ABS (all Lariats and XLT's optional on
>>others) will have 4 wheel disc brakes. F-250 LD already had 4 wheel disc
>>with ABS and all Super Duty's have 4 wheel disc.
>>
>>Nathan Bernard
>>Union Auto, Inc.
>>Union, IA 50258
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Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 19:15:03 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re:Body rebate

It just started recently. It is on Chaiss cabs that recieve over $1500 in
modifications. It is applicable to all engines.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Lee Haefele
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Saturday, December 05, 1998 7:33 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - Re:Body rebate


>I have heard about a "body upfitter rebate" of $900 on chassis cabs, is
>this true? Does it apply to 99SD? When did it start?
>Lee Haefele


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Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 08:33:20 -0600 (CST)
From: Stu Varner
Subject: FTE 97up - piston slap

>Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 13:35:25 EST
>From: RAMWORKER aol.com
>Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 5.4L Piston Slap a Big Problem?
>
>Hi List,
>
> I've been on this list for several months now and have patiently waited for
>an explanation of what the cause of this noise is and still haven't seen it.
>Now it has been mentioned on usenet at alt.autos.dodge.trucks as occurring on
>the 6.8 V10 as well as the 5.4. Curiosity has now got the better of me, so
>what is it? Oversize machining of cylinder bores, undersize pistons, wrong
>offset on pistons, or pistons installed backwards on their rods? That's all
>the explanations I know of for piston slap. One guy mentioned that Ford had
>admitted they had a problem, maybe that was just a dealer talking to an
>unhappy customer?
> I know that Pontiac had this problem in 1970, on the 455 only, all of these I
>ever opened had overbored cylinders, about .004 clearance, it never seemed to
>cause any problem except for noise.
>
>Best Regards,
> Robert

My 95 Special Service Crown Vic with the 4.6 liter (same engine family as
5.4 and 6.8)
had the same problem. I talked to several people at Ford, complaining about
the occasional piston slap and the noise of the ohcam chain and they assured
me there was no problem. 70,000 absolutley trouble free miles later, I think
I have to beileve them. BTW- I rarely if ever hear the nosies now except
when the weather is very cold.
I used to be very leary of the sohc (Romeo)mod motors from Ford, being a
diehard Windsor and FE man but I have grown quite fond of them since buying
the Crown Vic. Now I can't decide to order the V-10 or the 5.4 liter in my
new SD F-250 4x4.....decisions, decisions.........

Stu
Nuke GM!
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pscico.com/stu
Humpty Dumpty was pushed!

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Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 08:31:48 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 4.2V6 vs. 4.6V8

Either engine is good, but you need to decide a few things about each.

The 4.2L has very similar power to the 4.6L for empty driving so I don't
think you'll be disappointed by its performance.

As well as similar power they seem to get similar mileage so don't expect
mileage to improve on a V-6.

The V-6 sounds like a V-6. If you don't mind this its not a problem, but to
me I'd pay $1000 just to get that V-8 sound. The V-6 is an old engine
design (derivative of the 3.8L) so it is no where as smooth (vibrates much
more) or as quiet as the V-8 (Triton engines have made great improvements in
NVH, but the 4.2L is not a triton it's still a putrid engine like all the
competition.)

Resale- The V-6 will decrease resale so this is another consideration. It
won't decrease it a huge amount (usually about $400).

Durability- The V-6 is as good as any of Dodge or Chevy or older Ford
engines so it should last a long time. However the V-8's are much much much
better than anything Ford or its competitors have made. IT has the Deep
skirt block, double roller timing chain, cross bolted main caps. There
should also be less maintenance at high mileage on the V-8. One of the
problems we used to have was valve cover gasket leaks. The Triton engines
have more valve cover bolts so this should be eliminated.

So if you choose the V-6 I don't think you'll be disappointed, but I'd still
recommend the V-8.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Chuck Pollak
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Sunday, December 06, 1998 6:45 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - 4.2V6 vs. 4.6V8


>I need some input. I ordered a F-150 4x4 with the V-6 engine. The 4.6v8
>option will cost me an additional $1063. (425 discount +638 v-8
>option.). I don't really plan on any hd. towing or plowing with this
>truck. Will I find that the v-6 is really under powered and hate my new
>truck or should I bite the bullet and go for the v-8? I did go with the
>3:55 LS rear.
>Thanks


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Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 08:43:56 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Triton "economy" and "power" modes

The way I understand it this is not power and economy. This is an idea that
started on the Taurus SHO and has spread to most Ford vehicles. It uses a
long intake runner path at low RPM to make torque and throttle response and
as RPM's increase it opens a short intake runner to make Horsepower and
supply more air that the higher RPM's require. I think if you disabled this
feature you'd be incredibly disapointed.

Nathan

- -----Original Message-----
From: Bud Feuless & Miki Magara
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Saturday, December 05, 1998 9:22 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - Triton "economy" and "power" modes


>All;
>
>I've read quite a few posts from folks complaining of either poor
>performance or rattling noises on 5.4L and even 6.8L Triton's around 2500 -
>3000 rpm. I know that, since last year at least, Ford has been placing a
>sensor and a butterfly valve on the intake, allowing the engine to switch
>between "economy" (closed) and "power" (open) modes. This is reported to
>work very well for cruising at lower highway speeds in OD in terms of
>resulting in good fuel economy. The downside seems to always have been
that
>there is one heck of a flat spot in the torque curve right around
>2500-3000rpm, depending on gearing, but generally in that area.
>
>I know that, for people pulling a heavy load, like me, this can be a big
>issue. Going uphill starting from anything less than 3200 rpm with a 5.4L
>F-150 while loaded seems to always result in decreasing rpm and speed.
>Starting hills at 3200 helps a lot (better, in other words, to start them
in
>3rd gear, rather than 4th with most automatic Ford transmissions). When a
>truck is trying to move at 70+ mph, the wind shear creates a heavy load
>regardless of whether there is anything in back or being towed and may, I'm
>thinking, lead to similar results.
>
>On the issue of funny rattling noises in the same rpm range, I've heard
this
>so much since the introduction of this valve, I have to wonder. If you get
>within 100-200 rpm of the switchover from economy to power settings, I'll
>bet dimes to donuts that the valve may end up fluttering, or at least the
>sensor might end up rapidly engaging and disengaging.
>
>By the way, if there is a real mechanic out there who knows more about this
>arrangement, it would be interesting to hear specifics on where it is
>located and how it might be removed, as, for some, this might produce a
>desirable improvement in low-end power (at the cost of economy). It might
>also alleviate some of the annoyances above or at least provide a method
for
>trouble-shooting whether this is the problem.
>
>Just me 0.02...
>
>Regards, Bud


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Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 08:17:42 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - telling 4.6L from 5.4L

All the engines in the F-150 (and most other Ford products) have
distruibutorless ignition. This uses a coil for every cylinder. A
crankshaft position sensor tells the computer where the engine is at with in
a cycle and the computer fires the coils. This eliminates the need to set
timing and the wear item of a distributor cap and rotor. The 5.4L (and
V-10, and 4.6L in Crown Vic) have coil on plug ignition. It works exactly
the same, except that instead of using plug wires from the coils, they bolt
the coil on top of the plug. They are the circular items on top of the
valve cover with a blue Motorcraft sticker on them.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Tim Mattson
To: '97up-list ford-trucks.com'
Date: Friday, December 04, 1998 4:52 PM
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - telling 4.6L from 5.4L


>Nathan,
>
>I guess this would explain why I haven't been able to trace the plug
>wires. I am not familar with this arrangement. How exactly does this
>work?
>
>Tim


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Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 07:55:38 -0800
From: "Michael D. Sheridan"
Subject: FTE 97up - 2.5L 4 cylinder

Folks:

Have a 99 Mazda B2500 with the small engine and I really
can't find anything wrong with the set up at all. The engine
seems to be peppy and the truck goes well with the 5 speed.
The regular cab was reported to weigh at least 300 pounds less
than the extended so I got the regular.

I would like those that know to give me their most critical
review of the 4 cylinder engine in the truck outlined.

Thanking you in advance,

Michael
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Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 09:43:22 -0600
From: "Charles Abraham"
Subject: FTE 97up - Letter from Ford

Got this letter over the weekend from Ford's President, James O'Connor, which
basically stated that because of the overwhelming sales in the F-Series Super Duty,
Ford is "taking the necessary steps to build (retail) orders as fast as (they) can,
without compromising quality". Has Ford really kicked-up production build
schedules on the new Super Duty's, or is this letter just meant to be a pacifier to
its customer?

Charles.


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Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 08:34:41 -0800
From: "Michael D. Sheridan"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Letter from Ford

Charles Abraham wrote:
>
> Got this letter over the weekend from Ford's President, James O'Connor, which
> basically stated that because of the overwhelming sales in the F-Series Super Duty,
> Ford is "taking the necessary steps to build (retail) orders as fast as (they) can,
> without compromising quality". Has Ford really kicked-up production build
> schedules on the new Super Duty's, or is this letter just meant to be a pacifier to
> its customer?
>
> Charles.

Hi Charles:

It's likely intended to slow down customer inquiries which cost
Ford to process. As far as kicking up production I would only assume
that Ford would do this if it was in THEIR best interest.

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Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 11:27:11 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Factory Temp Gauge

While I was looking for Speedo calibration I found this SSM:

SSM 11606- Outside air temperature option trip computer functions are
incorrect as described in 1999 Super Duty F-Series Owners' guides pages
18-21. Outside Air temperature and instantaneous Fuel economy are not
available functions of the overhead trip computer. Outside air is expected
to be added as a trip computer function later in the 1999 model year (EST
June 98) The second printing of the Super Duty F-Series owners guide has
been corrected.

I haven't gotten my Lariats in yet (railroad's holding them hostage) to see
if they have this feature. I'll let you know what I find out.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.

- -----Original Message-----
From: wvernon
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, November 11, 1998 3:25 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Factory Temp Gauge


>But look at the owners manual. It explains the temp guage functions
>available in the console "if equipped". I guess I was one of the lucky
>ones. Trust me on this, my Lariot has one, just like an Exploder.
>
>Union Auto wrote:
>>
>> All Lariats have leather. There is no way to order one with out.
According
>> to the ordering guide the Overhead console displays: Compass, Distance
until
>> empty and average Fuel economy. I don't have a Lariat in right now (got
2
>> coming in a week or two) to verify this.
>>
>> Nathan Bernard
>> Union Auto, Inc.


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Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 11:20:48 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - speedo calibration

To recalibrate the speedometer on a Super Duty you recalibrate the ABS
system. How this is done is different for 4WABS and RABS but basically you
have to have a Ford dealer do it. Tell them to use the New Generation Star
Tester. They will have to use the green system card. In the menu it lists
tire and axle ratio conversion. This is how you modify the speedo. You
might tell them to read Special service messages 11789, 11790, 11879, and
11880.

Nathan Bernard

- -----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Mayer
To: 97up-List Ford List
Date: Wednesday, November 25, 1998 11:44 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - speedo calibration, Nathan or other knowledgeable person
needed!


>Happy Thanksgiving to all.
>
>I have a 99 super duty psd that was ordered with the 265/75 tires. I
>replaced them with 285/75 tires, and the speedo is now off by a few mph. I
>have been getting a run around when I call dealers as to recalibration. One
>said you can not do because of smog. Another dealer tried to do it, but
>could not get the computer to accept his input. Several other dealers just
>said it could not be done. The most recent dealer I called said some 99's
>could be recalibrated, others had to have the gem module replaced.
>
>On the other hand, I've seen postings from several other people on the net
>that have had it done successfully, and with not that much anxiety. I am at
>the point where I would really appreciate some info from someone that
either
>knows the answer, or takes the time to find out. I plan on keeping this
>truck for many, many years, and I want to get this annoyance taken care of.
>I would be very grateful for any help.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Kevin
>
>
>Bear Creek Consulting
>Kevin Mayer
>phone 425-702-9500
>fax 425-702-0421
>Web Site Development, Marketing and Hosting
>www.bearcreeknet.com


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Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 11:46:44 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Letter from Ford

Ford has increased production greatly (I think they've added 2 shifts at the
plant) on the Super Duty over last years Heavy Duty. However, Demand has
increased more than production so the delays won't change. Ford has begun
sending letters to let customers know that they have the order and are
trying to get it built. But yes this letter was basically just a pacifier.

Nathan

- -----Original Message-----
From: Charles Abraham
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, December 07, 1998 10:33 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - Letter from Ford


>Got this letter over the weekend from Ford's President, James O'Connor,
which
>basically stated that because of the overwhelming sales in the F-Series
Super Duty,
>Ford is "taking the necessary steps to build (retail) orders as fast as
(they) can,
>without compromising quality". Has Ford really kicked-up production build
>schedules on the new Super Duty's, or is this letter just meant to be a
pacifier to
>its customer?
>
>Charles.


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Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 13:26:12 -0600
From: Mark Usnick
Subject: FTE 97up - Advice on F350 cab/chassis

I'm preparing to order a 99 PSD F350 SC Cab
and Chassis 4x4. This will be a farm truck and
I would just as soon not have most of the fancy
options. The only exceptions are cruise, AC and
I sure would like that 40/20/40 recliner seat.

The only literature I have from Ford is for the
pickup, not the cab/chassis, but I'm assuming that
the cab/chassis follows the pickup. According
to this info, the 40/20/40 seat is not available
on the XL. Is this the case with the cab/chassis?

If necessary, I'll probably order the XLT to
get the seat.

If I order XLT and pick up package 617A to get
cruise and A/C, can I delete the power windows?
(cranking windows to spit a wad is how I stay
in such great shape)

How close are the F350 pickup and F350 cab/chassis
on options, price, etc?

TIA,

Mark

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Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 14:28:31 -0700
From: "Brandt Dennehy"
Subject: FTE 97up - Ford V-10 Breaking it in..

In response to a statement made by Union Auto when discussing the Ford v10
vs. the Dodge v-10, Union Auto said that after breaking in the Ford v-10, it
has much more power than it does brand new.
This, if true, makes me feel better. I read an article over the weekend in
Four Wheeler Magazine (Jan. 1999 edition) that compares the Ford Supeduty
v-10, Chevy and GMC v8, Dodge Diesel, and Nissan v6 head to head is several
categories. I was suprised to see that the Ford V-10 was maxing 180
horsepower at 4,000 rpm and 280 lb.-ft. of torque at 3,000rpm with their
testing. In the next sentence the magazine stated, "Suspicious of these low
numbers? We suspect the enging would rate better after a full break-in
period occurs."
Well, I sure hope so!!! The GMC 5.3L V-8 was pumping more horsepower and
torque in the tests. This is on page 28 of the magazine if anybody has it.
The only section of the testing that the Ford Superduty won was the best
interior. The magazine said that the reason the Superduty took last place
in the overall testing was more of a reflection of how they score the
testing, which rewards versitility.......so basically it says the Superduty
isn't very versitile (which is OK by me, because it did kick butt in
payload.

My question to you all is, how long is a typical break in period and are
there any specific suggestions for breaking in my V-10? I have 2700 mile on
it now.

Also, one of the tests they did is called "ramp travel index". Is anybody
familiar with what this means? I believe the Ford won this also (got the
highest number).

Thank you for any input!!
- --Brandt

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Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 17:00:35 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 97up - ADMIN: Chat

The registration email problems with the chat have been
corrected. If you've already registered, you'll have to
register again.

If you use AOL, you cannot use the chat at this point.
AOL's browser is brain damaged and will not talk through
ports other than 80 and 8080. The chat client requires use
of ports 3334-3336. Please don't complain to me about it,
it's AOL's fault. I know of no other ISP that has this
problem. I'm working on a telnet version of the chat, but
I cannot promise that it will work with AOL. If it means
alot to you, switch providers.

Also, the chat may or may not function behind a firewall,
depending on whether ports 3334-3336 are filtered out.

Other than the email problems (which have been corrected),
this chat server has been rock solid and will not be
replaced. I have neither the time nor money to invest in
another server. I've already spent nearly 40 hours in
the last month on the chat problems.

If your browser doesn't work, try upgrading it to the
latest version since the upgrades for Netscape and
Internet Explorer are free. I cannot solve browser Java
implementation problems. Numerous bugs exist in earlier
implementations of Java that have been corrected.

I've talked to many people, both chat server admins and
the chat users on their systems, about this server and
99% of the responses were positive.

Ken Payne
Admin

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Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 17:30:11 -0500
From: paul naas
Subject: FTE 97up - Dealer damage

Ken,
I beg to differ with you but to me a scratch or a grease spot on a
$30,000 truck IS a big deal, especially when the people that put it
there are being paid to service, not damage my truck. All it takes is a
little care. You and I both know that the hours charged for the repair
"accomplished" is usually more than the time actually spent on the
repair so a little extra caution can't be that costly for the
dealership. In the end, when I'm ready to "trade in" my truck the
dealership will let me know in no uncertain terms that the "little
scratches and dents" is why I can't expect him to give my the money that
I had hoped for. By the way, I have also caught the dealership(s) not
doing those things that were on the bill. Those of us that can't be
pleased are the ones that actually check to insure the dealer is being
honest.
Just my opinion,
Paul

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Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 14:34:40 PST
From: "Jordan Rautiola"
Subject: FTE 97up - Dunlop 285/75-16 tires on stock rims on F150 4x4

I sent a message similar to this one to the mailing list last week, but
I don't think it went through. I apologize if this is redundant.
Immediately after taking delivery of my '99 F150 I swapped the 255/70-16
Goodyears for 285/75-16 Dunlop Radial Rover A/Ts on the stock 7" rims.
Ford says to run the stock tires at 32psi, so I tried this on the new
Dunlops, and the ride was nice, but I could immediately feel alot of
drag (rolling resistance) compared to the Goodyears, both when
accelerating up to highway speed and when coasting at speeds above
55mph. I can't believe the difference. So I pumped them up to 42psi,
but it rode very hard and only the inside of the tire is wearing (the
outside still has nubs after 900miles). The rolling resistance went way
down. Since then I have dropped to 38psi, it rides a bit better (but
not nearly as well as 32psi) and it seems to have a good rolling
resistance similar to 42psi. I don't want to know what kind of fuel
economy I would get if I kept 32psi in them. They'll ride much better
there, handling will be better, as will tread life, but I can just feel
it sucking down the gas. Anyone have experience with this situation or
ideas? Thanks.

'99 F150 5.4L SC-LB 4x4 dark red w/cap

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Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 16:53:55 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: FTE 97up - Power Stroke Registry

I just got a truck magazine from Ford (gives selling features etc.) and they
have an ad for the Power Stroke Diesel registry. I don't know if it will be
as good as the TDR but we can hope. If anyone is interested:

Power Stroke Registry
PO Box 159
Carrollton, Georgia 30177

770-214-9831
fax 770-214-8864

Membership is $35

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.


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Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 16:29:20 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Ford V-10 Breaking it in..

Vary the RPM's to get the rings seated (yours should already be seated) and
otherwise drive as normal. Part of the break in is that the computer learns
how you drive and adjusts to work best for you. If I jump in a truck that
gets worked hard it usually feel much more powerful than one that gets
babied where ever it goes.

Nathan

- -----Original Message-----
From: Brandt Dennehy
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, December 07, 1998 3:41 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - Ford V-10 Breaking it in..


>In response to a statement made by Union Auto when discussing the Ford v10
>vs. the Dodge v-10, Union Auto said that after breaking in the Ford v-10,
it
>has much more power than it does brand new.
>This, if true, makes me feel better. I read an article over the weekend in
>Four Wheeler Magazine (Jan. 1999 edition) that compares the Ford Supeduty
>v-10, Chevy and GMC v8, Dodge Diesel, and Nissan v6 head to head is several
>categories. I was suprised to see that the Ford V-10 was maxing 180
>horsepower at 4,000 rpm and 280 lb.-ft. of torque at 3,000rpm with their
>testing. In the next sentence the magazine stated, "Suspicious of these
low
>numbers? We suspect the enging would rate better after a full break-in
>period occurs."
>Well, I sure hope so!!! The GMC 5.3L V-8 was pumping more horsepower and
>torque in the tests. This is on page 28 of the magazine if anybody has it.
>The only section of the testing that the Ford Superduty won was the best
>interior. The magazine said that the reason the Superduty took last place
>in the overall testing was more of a reflection of how they score the
>testing, which rewards versitility.......so basically it says the Superduty
>isn't very versitile (which is OK by me, because it did kick butt in
>payload.
>
>My question to you all is, how long is a typical break in period and are
>there any specific suggestions for breaking in my V-10? I have 2700 mile
on
>it now.
>
>Also, one of the tests they did is called "ramp travel index". Is anybody
>familiar with what this means? I believe the Ford won this also (got the
>highest number).
>
>Thank you for any input!!
>--Brandt


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Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 16:51:14 -0600 CST
From: Dan kbselectric.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Dealer damage

I agree...I have invested a fair amount in my '99 F-150 XLT 4 x 4
Off-Road Pkg and a '98 EB Expedition. I took the Expy in for service
on the defective wipers and they brought it back to me all smudged
with grease...on the door...the leather seats and steering
wheel......they ruined the seat and it took three trips back to the
shop before they were able to properly replace the leather
covers......not what I would expect from a company that wants to sell
$35,000 vehicles.
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Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 16:58:59 -0700
From: "Don Murphree"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 2.5L 4 cylinder

I have a 98 Ranger reg cab automatic 2.5L, with a loud hum at higher rpms,
and am not happy about it. The more you drive it on the freeway, my bet is
that the noise will start to drive you nuts, like it has for me. I've had it
for 6 months, and have added more insulation to the cab and engine
compartment. I had a rubber boot for my camper shell replaced with a slider
window, but guess what.......the noise is still there. I just love my 98
Ranger ( can you hear the sarcasm, like I hear the engine noise?)


>Folks:
>
>Have a 99 Mazda B2500 with the small engine and I really
>can't find anything wrong with the set up at all. The engine
>seems to be peppy and the truck goes well with the 5 speed.
>The regular cab was reported to weigh at least 300 pounds less
>than the extended so I got the regular.
>
>I would like those that know to give me their most critical
>review of the 4 cylinder engine in the truck outlined.
>
>Thanking you in advance,
>
>Michael
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Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 18:08:59 -0600
From: "Randy Collins"
Subject: FTE 97up - Dealership Dealings

Ron:

I had to take my 96 Probe in for a paint job at the dealer once. When I got
it back, it had 275 more miles on the odometer. I argued and they said they
had to test drive it. I said for a paint job?! My 94 Ranger went in once
and they had to keep it over the weekend. My truck passed me saturday nite
on the strip! Again--test drive. Many other problems with this FORMER
dealer of mine.

Needless to say, I keep detailed records of mileage and vehicle condition
when dealing with the dealership.

Hope you get good results.

ran

Ronald Palmer wrote:

>Hi Folks
>
>I am just wondering what experiences you have all had when having your
>trucks in for service. I brought my truck in for an oil change and tire
>rotation at 5,000 miles. The dealer give a free oil change and tire
>rotation
>at 5,000 miles and 10,000 miles, which is the only reason I had it there
to
>begin with. When I got my truck back, the interior was soiled with engine
>oil on the carpet, and there was grease all over the door panel. But thats
>not the worst part, when I looked at my drivers door on the outside, there
>is this massive scratch just under the door panel. This happened when the
>guy opened the door while it was in the lift (on the ground). Is it just
>me,
>or is it my imagination, but after these jokers get your money, they could
>give a s**t les about your truck. I went back and complaned to the service
>writer, and I have an appointment on Tuesday to have the scrath repaired.
>All this, just for an oil change and tire rotation. Are all of you
>experiencing this same type problem, or do I just have a bum dealer.
>
>Ron
>
>(Don't know if im gonna bring it for the 10,000 mile oil change)
>
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Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 19:08:31 -0500
From: Jean Marc Chartier
Subject: FTE 97up - F-150 Lug nut Recall

All,

I had the Lug nut recall done on my 97 F-150 today. As
previously mentioned on the list the nuts are black. If you
have locking lug nuts be sure you get 4 spare black lug nuts
to replace the lockers. My dealer billed Ford for 20 nuts
and only installed 16. I asked for and received the
remaining 4.

Regards

Jean Marc Chartier
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Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 17:29:50 -0800
From: Rod Loewen
Subject: FTE 97up - Dealers and 4.2

My two cents worth: Only on serious matters of warranty will I allow my
dealer to touch my truck. Up here there is only one dealer and I can't
afford the 50 mile trip to another dealer I wouldn't trust with my
wheelbarrow. I've bought and paid for many smaller items that could or
should have been warranty to avoid the wait and frustration to get the
truck into a dealer but more than that to avoid the damage they do like
scratches, greasy upholstry etc. Any work I've had to do at the dealer
has had to be checked for loose bolts, dangling wires etc.

One of our trucks is a F150 with the 4.2 V6 and we love it! I recommend
the base engine because power is more than adequate and I love 25 M.P.G.
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Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 19:16:36 EST
From: KWkM3 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Ford V-10 Breaking it in..


otherwise drive as normal. Part of the break in is that the computer learns
how you drive and adjusts to work best for you. If I jump in a truck that
gets worked hard it usually feel much more powerful than one that gets
babied where ever it goes. >>

Don't baby the engine too much on break in. The rings wont seat properly. the
modular motors have a ring/hone package that takes some time to break in. My
expy w/5.4 didn't fully break in until about 12k,then I noticed improved power
and mpg. Like Nathan said, vary the rpm but also vary the load with the rpm.
Don't be afraid to give it some throttle. Worst thing to do is break it in
with highway miles (constant rpm, light load).

Harry
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Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 20:07:06 -0500
From: "Eddie Pettit"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Dunlop 285/75-16 tires on stock rims on F150 4x4

I have the same size tires on my truck, 285s. I run 35psi in the front and
32 psi in the rear (when empty). Yes, I feel a little drag and mileage is
around 13.5 - 14, no matter how I drive. I prefer the softer highway ride
and long tire life to a little better gas mileage, I was only getting 14.5 -
15 with the 225s on it. BTW, the tire dealer wanted to put 60psi in the
tires when they were mounted, I put a quick stop to that (but hey I bought
them from a gas station because the price was right).

Eddie Pettit
Midlothian VA
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://surf.to/my97f150

>Immediately after taking delivery of my '99 F150 I swapped the 255/70-16
>Goodyears for 285/75-16 Dunlop Radial Rover A/Ts on the stock 7" rims.
>Ford says to run the stock tires at 32psi, so I tried this on the new
>Dunlops, and the ride was nice, but I could immediately feel alot of
>drag (rolling resistance) compared to the Goodyears

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Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 19:12:55 -0600
From: Steve
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Ford V-10 Breaking it in..

Brandt Dennehy wrote:


> Also, one of the tests they did is called "ramp travel index". Is anybody
> familiar with what this means? I believe the Ford won this also (got the
> highest number).
>
> Thank you for any input!!
> --Brandt

Ramp Travel Index is a measurement of the trucks suspension travel. The
front drivers side tire is driven up a ramp at a ( I think) 30 degree angle
until one of the other wheels comes off the ground. The distance up the ramp,
the angle of the ramp, and the trucks wheel base are factored together to give
the RTI.


- --
Steve #1

'99 F150 Regular Cab 5.4 4X4
'97 Mustang GT
'87 K5 Blazer 350 4X4


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Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 19:19:40 -0600
From: Steve
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 4 wheel disc brakes on F-150

Union Auto wrote:

> Ford just announced this morning that starting on all trucks produced after
> Dec. 2nd all F-150's with 4 wheel ABS (all Lariats and XLT's optional on
> others) will have 4 wheel disc brakes. F-250 LD already had 4 wheel disc
> with ABS and all Super Duty's have 4 wheel disc.
>
> Nathan Bernard
> Union Auto, Inc.
> Union, IA 50258
>
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I don't suppose there's any chance of getting Ford to do a retrofit for
trucks already produced is there? I almost got a F250 to get the 4 wheel
disks. Do you know why Ford decided to put 4 wheel disks on with ABS? Is
there a problem with the ABS and drums?


- --
Steve #1

'99 F150 Regular Cab 5.4 4X4
'97 Mustang GT
'87 K5 Blazer 350 4X4


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Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 21:52:07 -0500
From: Bill Sullivan
Subject: FTE 97up - Discontinued color :(

Hey,

Awhile ago I had put in an order for a 1999 F-150 XLT Flareside
SuperCab 4X4. Got the 5.4V8, Limited slip, captain's chairs, cab steps,
Skid Plates, 16" Tires. I ordered it in teal /w med. grey graphite
interior. Well, I got a call last week saying that ford 'discontinued'
the Teal Clear Coat Metallic color option because it wasn't that
popular. Has anyone else heard of this? I mean, I would think that it
would be fair to still allow that color option (It's not like they ran
out or anything, right?) without charging anything extra, since the
DEALERSHIP I ordered it from didn't even know until then. Not to
mention the color is in the book for the 1999 F-150's as well.

So, I winded up getting the Dark Toreador Red & Tan interior. I'm
hoping I'll like this as much. We'll see tho. I ordered it about the
3rd week of November. I'm still waiting for it. Does anyone also know
how long orders take, and what they actually do when you order a truck?
Do they actually Make the truck you ordered? Just curious if anyone
knows.

- -Bill Sullivan

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Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 22:04:57 -0500
From: "tc73"
Subject: FTE 97up - service experience

I had a white 94 f-150 that I brought to the dealer for repair don't
remember what, I just cleaned the truck the day before waxed, windows,
better than brand new, got it back there was grease finger prints all over
the hood where they touched. I was hot but did not say anything.


Also,at chevy dealers not sure about ford probably the same, the service
survey ford sends to you about service is very, very important to a dealer.
each dealer in a region gets points for good service which then gets the
dealer special tools,speciality training etc.

So send in the serveys tell them the service you received

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Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 21:58:06 EST
From: Scoop531 aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Need Picture of 59 ford F-150 with bell body

Please tell me where i can find a picture of a 59 ford F-150 with bell body

Thanx
Scoop
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Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 23:24:15 -0500
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: FTE 97up - F-350 / 4X4 / V-10

Just received the letter from Ford stating that "Thank you for ordering a
F-350 / 4X4, SRW, SC, V-10. The F-Series SuperDuties are going to be
running late, we can't build them fast enough, we are doing the best we can,
blah blah, blah...." Since I already have a VIN, I called my dealer, he said
that the letter is sent to everyone, even people picking-up their truck this
week. So, if your order has a build and/or arrival date (my arrival date
the week of 12/14) just rip-up the letter, it only applies to orders not yet
in the system.

For those who want a F-250/350 V-10, my dealer said that so many people were
told that the V-10 would take 6 months to get that droves of people opted
for the 5.4L instead. Guess what, so many are ordering the 5.4L V-8 that
the 6.8L V-10 is not backed-up much anymore. (My V-10 was ordered September
26, if I get it the week of 12/14, the total time will have been about 11
weeks). Of course, other variables may effect your order (I decided to get
the SuperCab with the 8' bed).


Keith


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Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 20:40:44 -0800
From: "Michael D. Sheridan"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 2.5L 4 cylinder

Don Murphree wrote:
>
> I have a 98 Ranger reg cab automatic 2.5L, with a loud hum at higher rpms,
> and am not happy about it. The more you drive it on the freeway, my bet is
> that the noise will start to drive you nuts, like it has for me. I've had it
> for 6 months, and have added more insulation to the cab and engine
> compartment. I had a rubber boot for my camper shell replaced with a slider
> window, but guess what.......the noise is still there. I just love my 98
> Ranger ( can you hear the sarcasm, like I hear the engine noise?)
>
> >Folks:
> >
> >Have a 99 Mazda B2500 with the small engine and I really
> >can't find anything wrong with the set up at all. The engine
> >seems to be peppy and the truck goes well with the 5 speed.
> >The regular cab was reported to weigh at least 300 pounds less
> >than the extended so I got the regular.
> >
> >I would like those that know to give me their most critical
> >review of the 4 cylinder engine in the truck outlined.
> >
> >Thanking you in advance,
> >
> >Michael

Hi Don:

Thanks for the information. I notice no noise like you have mentioned
in my 99 Mazda. In fact it's more quite than my 98 Sable down the
highway in OD. Is it possible that the noise you are experiencing
is from the AT as mine is a 5 speed.

Michael
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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 00:12:55 EST
From: RAMWORKER aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - piston slap

Hi List,

Well, I've finished looking at the F-150 message board and thought I'd share
my conclusions, opinions, and general ramblings on the matter. Thanks to
MarkLee2 for providing the link, I'd been there before, but got very bored and
hadn't studied the entire board till now, that Bbraynor is one prolific
writer!
The most authoritative post was dated 10/8/98. Supposedly the problem is a
short piston skirt aggravated by aggressive spark timing. I can't imagine what
....


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