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In this issue:

FTE 97up - Part number and price for 1999 F-150 Supercab cab steps?
FTE 97up - PSD Converters/99.5 changes
FTE 97up - tire availability
FTE 97up - Taller tires and differential ratio
Re: FTE 97up - PSD Converters/99.5 changes
Re: FTE 97up - Engine noise
Re: FTE 97up - Part number and price for 1999 F-150 Supercab cab steps?
Re: FTE 97up - Engine noise
FTE 97up - Speed wipers
RE: FTE 97up - Speed wipers
FTE 97up - FW: Online resource for Ford service issues
FTE 97up - alarm
FTE 97up - 1999 F350 crew cab 4x4 PSD XLT delivery
Re: FTE 97up - PSD Converters/99.5 changes
Re: FTE 97up - Engine noise
Re: FTE 97up - 1999 F350 crew cab 4x4 PSD XLT delivery
Re: FTE 97up - Speed wipers
Re: FTE 97up - 1999 F350 crew cab 4x4 PSD XLT delivery
Re: FTE 97up - 999 miles and uh-oh..Service engine light is on !

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Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 06:14:46 -0500
From: Lou Mallia
Subject: FTE 97up - Part number and price for 1999 F-150 Supercab cab steps?

I'm giving up on my local Ford dealer parts department, since I was
there again yesterday and the neanderthals behind the counter couldn't
find a listing or price for the 1999 F-150 supercab cab steps. The ones
I am looking for are the charcoal/black colored plastic cab steps that
are available from the factory on the 1999 F-150 supercab. (I looked
under the trucks on the lot, and these are different from the ones for
the Super Duty, even though they look similar - the brackets are
fundamentally different). The local parts guys are only finding
listings for the older style, molded (painted or primed) steps, which I
believe are from 1998 and possibly earlier. Before I go to the
aftermarket, I'd really like to see how much the newer style Ford ones
will cost me to add to my truck. I also like the fact that they will
bolt on without any additional bracket fabrication work or drilling. If
I can simply get a part number, then I can call around to dealers
locally and on the web to find the best price for the Ford parts. Can
anyone help me get this information? I'd also like to know if anyone
out there has ever been able to buy Ford parts over the counter at a
local dealer for anything but full retail. My local dealer doesn't seem
interested in discounting anything but bedliners.
Thanks,
Lou

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Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 07:41:33 -0500
From: Claude King
Subject: FTE 97up - PSD Converters/99.5 changes

On Jason's page there has been threads about problems with the PSD Torque
Converters, and changes scheduled to start in January, Nathan or anybody have
any info on either.

//ck





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Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 07:57:00 -0600
From: Janster
Subject: FTE 97up - tire availability

Hi Folks,

I seen a few posts about upgrading to bigger tire sizes. My experience
when I ordered my '99 F250SD, 4x4 w/ LT265/75R16 tires and no spare
wasn't very good. I also misunderstood the spare tire option and didn't
order it. After getting the carrier and rim, I was left w/ trying to
find that tire size w/ a load range of "E". I searched high and low here
in the St Louis and eastern Illinois region. NOBODY had one. The best
anyone could do was offer an LT245/75R16 load range "E", or the larger
tire size but in a lower load range. I finally bought a tire from the
internet, at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.tirerack.com/tires/index.html. My advice is to
make sure about the availability of whatever tire size you want, in your
local area.

Mr "I got my tires!"

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Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 06:45:22 PST
From: "Jordan Rautiola"
Subject: FTE 97up - Taller tires and differential ratio

>
>Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 10:01:51 -0700
>From: "Brandt Dennehy"
>Subject: Re: FTE 97up - taller tire and miles traveled
>
>Jordan,
>I currently have 235/85 on my 99 superduty v10 3.73 ratio.....I'm also
>considering 285/75
>tires....they will be about 4% taller. I figure they will change my
axle
>ratio to 3.60. Anyway, what axle ratio do you have and do you notice a
>decrease in power? I HAVE THE STD. 3.55 RATIO, SOME REDUCTION IN
PULLING POWER, BUT NOT MUCH. I heard a vicious rumor that a guy with a
Dodge V-10 put
>a set of 285/75 on to replace the small 245/75 and lost a lot of
>power.....he can still go like hell down the highway, but when he hits
a
>hill....down goes the speedometer. Any other feedback is more than
welcome.
>Thanks.
>
>Brandt
>
BRANDT: It is simple math that says that hills will require more
throttle to maintain the same speed when going to a taller tire or
taller diff. gear. The 5.4 has enough torque to overcome this, at least
for my purposes. The 4.6 would be affected more because of the weaker
torque. I love the way the bigger tires fill in the wheel wells (which
the factory tires don't) and how the truck now sits almost 3 inches
higher. I should be getting overall better mpg with the taller tires,
which is certainly a plus!

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Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 09:44:08 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - PSD Converters/99.5 changes

I don't know what changes are coming in Jan (if any), but lately the wheels
on XLT SRW trucks have changed finish style. The emblem on the tailgate
says "F-xxx Super Duty" (like on the sides) where they used to just say
"F-XXX". The engine emblems have changed. The 5.4L and V-10 are the same
style, but nicer looking. The diesel now has an emblem on the Door that
says "Power Stroke Diesel V-8" These are the only changes I've noticed so
far.

As for the torque converters, I have one or two trucks doing this. It only
affected the trucks built for a short period of time (fixed now, I think the
period was about 3 weeks long and started a couple of months ago). It is
just a rattling "chatter" noise from the transmission. It's only on Diesel
automatics. It doesn't seem to affect anything (the one I had the owner
thought it was just normal Diesel clatter). As of a week ago Ford hadn't
announce the fix (I bet they replace the torque converters), but the did
have a message that testing was in progress.

Nathan

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From: Claude King
To: '97up-list ford-trucks.com'
Date: Wednesday, December 02, 1998 7:22 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - PSD Converters/99.5 changes


>On Jason's page there has been threads about problems with the PSD Torque
>Converters, and changes scheduled to start in January, Nathan or anybody
have
>any info on either.
>
>//ck


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Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 10:26:11 -0600
From: Zach Whitehill
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Engine noise

Bill wrote:
>
> Zach Whitehill wrote:
>
> >
> > And finally the only other thing I don't like is that when I set the
> > cruise it kicks
> > down on every little hill I come to and half the time it won't even pull
> > itself at 74 miles per hour going down the interstate.
>
> Make sure it has a 5.4 engine in it, just because the sticker shows it,
> doesn't mean that's what was installed.
>
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Bill
Its funny that you mention that. I bought the truck in Kansas City
which is about 250 mi from my hometown. I stopped about half way to
have a bug shield installed and joked with the guy about it probably
having a 4.6. How do I go about making sure it is a 5.4

Thanks
Zach
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Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 10:31:03 -0600
From: Zach Whitehill
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Part number and price for 1999 F-150 Supercab cab steps?

Lou Mallia wrote:
>
> I'm giving up on my local Ford dealer parts department, since I was
> there again yesterday and the neanderthals behind the counter couldn't
> find a listing or price for the 1999 F-150 supercab cab steps. The ones
> I am looking for are the charcoal/black colored plastic cab steps that
> are available from the factory on the 1999 F-150 supercab. (I looked
> under the trucks on the lot, and these are different from the ones for
> the Super Duty, even though they look similar - the brackets are
> fundamentally different). The local parts guys are only finding
> listings for the older style, molded (painted or primed) steps, which I
> believe are from 1998 and possibly earlier. Before I go to the
> aftermarket, I'd really like to see how much the newer style Ford ones
> will cost me to add to my truck. I also like the fact that they will
> bolt on without any additional bracket fabrication work or drilling. If
> I can simply get a part number, then I can call around to dealers
> locally and on the web to find the best price for the Ford parts. Can
> anyone help me get this information? I'd also like to know if anyone
> out there has ever been able to buy Ford parts over the counter at a
> local dealer for anything but full retail. My local dealer doesn't seem
> interested in discounting anything but bedliners.
> Thanks,
> Lou
>
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Lou,
I just bought a 99 F150 that had those cab steps on it. I had my local
dealer take them off because I wanted chrome ones. If you'd like you
can call my dealer I imagine he would sell them to ya pretty cheap.
They were only one for about 250 miles. The number to the place is
515-522-5100 and the guy to ask for is Steve Link.


Zach
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Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 09:31:37 -0800
From: "Jose Pomposo Jr."
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Engine noise

You can tell by looking under the hood. There should be either 4.6 or 5.4
in big red letters. You can't miss them.
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From: Zach Whitehill
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, December 02, 1998 8:35 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Engine noise


>Bill wrote:
>>
>> Zach Whitehill wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > And finally the only other thing I don't like is that when I set the
>> > cruise it kicks
>> > down on every little hill I come to and half the time it won't even
pull
>> > itself at 74 miles per hour going down the interstate.
>>
>> Make sure it has a 5.4 engine in it, just because the sticker shows it,
>> doesn't mean that's what was installed.
>>
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>Bill
>Its funny that you mention that. I bought the truck in Kansas City
>which is about 250 mi from my hometown. I stopped about half way to
>have a bug shield installed and joked with the guy about it probably
>having a 4.6. How do I go about making sure it is a 5.4
>
> Thanks
> Zach
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Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 11:56:51 -0800
From: "Jose Pomposo Jr."
Subject: FTE 97up - Speed wipers

How can you tell if one's truck is equipped with the speed sensitive
windshield wipers? I have a '98 F-150 XLT SuperCab.

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Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 15:50:23 -0500
From: "Suarez, William"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Speed wipers

Jose,

According to the spec's on the Ford site, the speed sensitive interval
wipers are part of the XLT package.

Bill Suarez

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From: Jose Pomposo Jr. [mailto:pomposo gte.net]
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 1998 2:57 PM
To: ford
Subject: FTE 97up - Speed wipers


How can you tell if one's truck is equipped with the speed sensitive
windshield wipers? I have a '98 F-150 XLT SuperCab.

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Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 14:20:28 -0700
From: Jay Murphy
Subject: FTE 97up - FW: Online resource for Ford service issues

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jay Murphy
> Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 1998 2:19 PM
> To: F150list (E-mail); Fordtrucks97up-Digest (E-mail)
> Subject: Online resource for Ford service issues
>
> Can anyone tell me if there is an online source for downloading Ford
> issued service bulletins (I'm sure there is an official name for them, but
> I don't know it). Specifically, I'm having a piston slap problem with the
> 5.4L engine in my 97 f150. Is there somewhere I can look to see what Ford
> is telling its dealers about servicing the problem?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jay
>
> Jay Murphy
>
>
> "Failure is not falling down; failure is when you don't get back up."
> Brian Basset
>
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Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 17:11:31 EST
From: LUBER1 aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - alarm

is anyone having problems with the factory installed alarm going off. i have
a 98 f150 and if i lock it chances are that when i get back to it the lights
will be blinking and the horn sounding. any suggestions
mike-lubecon
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Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 16:22:00 -0600
From: DanBrotzman
Subject: FTE 97up - 1999 F350 crew cab 4x4 PSD XLT delivery

Just ordered this truck and have been told by some people that delivery =
will be 4 months (no problem), some have said 7 - 8 months (that's a =
problem), and some people have told me up to a full year (a bigger =
problem). Any clues what is a realistic delivery time? Also when can a =
person first get the Id. number for a vehicle that is going to be =
produced?

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Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 16:37:40 -0600
From: "Charles Abraham"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - PSD Converters/99.5 changes

Nathan,

Thanks for the news on the improvements made to the Super Duty.
Small though they are, still it's some consolation to us still waiting delivery.

If you should hear about anything else please let us know. (I'll be checking
out tailgates now for the new emblem.)

Charles.

On Order: F250 SD SC LARIAT V10 3.73LS 4X4

Union Auto wrote:

> I don't know what changes are coming in Jan (if any), but lately the wheels
> on XLT SRW trucks have changed finish style. The emblem on the tailgate
> says "F-xxx Super Duty" (like on the sides) where they used to just say
> "F-XXX". The engine emblems have changed. The 5.4L and V-10 are the same
> style, but nicer looking. The diesel now has an emblem on the Door that
> says "Power Stroke Diesel V-8" These are the only changes I've noticed so
> far.
>
> As for the torque converters, I have one or two trucks doing this. It only
> affected the trucks built for a short period of time (fixed now, I think the
> period was about 3 weeks long and started a couple of months ago). It is
> just a rattling "chatter" noise from the transmission. It's only on Diesel
> automatics. It doesn't seem to affect anything (the one I had the owner
> thought it was just normal Diesel clatter). As of a week ago Ford hadn't
> announce the fix (I bet they replace the torque converters), but the did
> have a message that testing was in progress.
>
> Nathan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Claude King
> To: '97up-list ford-trucks.com'
> Date: Wednesday, December 02, 1998 7:22 AM
> Subject: FTE 97up - PSD Converters/99.5 changes
>
> >On Jason's page there has been threads about problems with the PSD Torque
> >Converters, and changes scheduled to start in January, Nathan or anybody
> have
> >any info on either.
> >
> >//ck
>
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Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 18:30:27 -0500
From: Bill
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Engine noise

> Bill
> Its funny that you mention that. I bought the truck in Kansas City
> which is about 250 mi from my hometown. I stopped about half way to
> have a bug shield installed and joked with the guy about it probably
> having a 4.6. How do I go about making sure it is a 5.4
> Zach

I think the Vin # has a code for the engine, but if a wrong engine was installed
the vin code will not be correct. I guess you can compare your engine with a
truck you know has a 5.4. I spend 33 years in a Ford assembly plant and yes
mistakes are make and not always caught before they reach the customer. Maybe a
Ford dealer can verify the engine for you. Might be a good idea to have the
axle ratio checked also. Anyway good luck, hope you get it running as it
should. Bill




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Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 18:30:05 EST
From: SHartflhs aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 1999 F350 crew cab 4x4 PSD XLT delivery

got my delivery date 2 weeks after order, delivered in 9 weeks. didnt check
with dealer for vin number until 2 weeks before delivery but he had that then.
Was strictly a truck dealer with no allocation problems
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Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 19:09:42 -0800
From: Ken Peterson
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Speed wipers

>How can you tell if one's truck is equipped with the speed sensitive
>windshield wipers? I have a '98 F-150 XLT SuperCab.

Easy. Here are the delay times for various speeds. The first number in each
line is the switch position from OFF; the second is the (dead-time)
interval for speeds of 0-10mph; and the last number is the interval for
speeds exceeding 65mph. (From Ford manual.)

1 - 18 - 18 (not variable)
2 - 16 - 5
3 - 13 - 4
4 - 10 - 3
5 - 7 - 2
6 - 4 - 1
7 - 1 - 0

So, with the switch three clicks from OFF, you should get a dead time of
about 13 seconds when standing still, but 4 seconds on the freeway.

The feature can be disables or enabled by your Ford dealer's service dept
thru the GEM module interface. (The lengthy instructions in the owner's
manual for some truck models don't work!)

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Ken Peterson, Portland, OR
1998 F-250LD Lariat, extended cab, short bed, 4X2, 5.4l, class-3 tow options
LT245X16/steel rims, 4W disks + ABS, load-leveling rear suspension.
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Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 22:46:08 -0500
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 1999 F350 crew cab 4x4 PSD XLT delivery

Ordered my F-350 SuperCab / V-10 / 8' bed / 4X4 / XLT / 3.73LS / all the
goodies on September 26 and I already have the VIN, delivery date is 12/14.
I was told the wait would be 6 to 8 months, but it looks like the wait will
end up being more like 2.5 months.


Keith


PS. Since I still do not have it, I don't want to count my chickens quite
yet.



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From: DanBrotzman
To: '97up-list ford-trucks.com'
Date: Wednesday, December 02, 1998 5:26 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - 1999 F350 crew cab 4x4 PSD XLT delivery


Just ordered this truck and have been told by some people that delivery will
be 4 months (no problem), some have said 7 - 8 months (that's a problem),
and some people have told me up to a full year (a bigger problem). Any clues
what is a realistic delivery time? Also when can a person first get the Id.
number for a vehicle that is going to be produced?

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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 00:34:39 EST
From: FISHNG1 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 999 miles and uh-oh..Service engine light is on !

Well, why do I always seem to get the bad apple in the batch? In 87' bought
a brand new Yamaha 115 outboard and the powerhead lasted one month, then in 97
I bought a new Mercury kicker and it had bad piston slap...again a new
powerhead.
Now with 999 miles on my 99' PSD, (supercab,xlt,auto,4x4,srw,etc) I have a
problem. This morning on the way to the Ford dealer and on the freeway, my
truck all of a sudden seemed to lose power. I kind of thought for a second
that I had hit a bad section of road because the truck started to "shudder.'
I looked down at my gauges and saw the "Service Engine Soon" light was on.
The reason I was going to the dealer in the first place was to pick up a
loaner vehicle because the I was having aftermarket wheel flares, running
boards, etc., installed, and also getting the bottom panels painted.
I was already planning to call the service dept., because I had been
compiling a list as follows of things that seemed strange to me. Even though
some of these may be just brought on by reading to many problem posts. LOL How
do we spell Hypochondriac?
1. A rougher idle in gear at stoplights.
2. A burning smell, not a diesel smell, kind of like an old burning cig.
butt.
3. Louder tapping sounds (diesel type)
4. That rattling T/C sound (Marbles? in a bowl)
5. Very mushy shifting at times, too frequent changing of gears on inclines.
6. Annoying whistle sound at about 30 mph (very high pitched)
7. I live in Washington State (Rain & more Rain) and I the passenger side....


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