97up-list-digest Monday, November 30 1998 Volume 01 : Number 294



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In this issue:

FTE 97up - F250 PSD Under Dash Rattle
FTE 97up - New truck!
FTE 97up - brake job incriments?
Re: FTE 97up - brake job incriments?
Re: FTE 97up - brake job incriments?
FTE 97up - Finding Rattles in the Dash
Re: FTE 97up - brake job incriments?
Re: FTE 97up - brake job incriments?
Re: FTE 97up - brake job incriments?

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Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 06:52:40 PST
From: "Jeigh Cee"
Subject: FTE 97up - F250 PSD Under Dash Rattle

A month or so ago a noise started under the dash - somewhere around the
steering column - in my 99 F20 PSD. The noise reminds me of the noise
one might hear when stacking dishes. After a day or two, the noise
disappeared, but returned a couple of days ago.

I only hear the rattle whenever I hit a bump in the road. But, not
every bump will produce the noise. Some minor bumps will produce the
noise while severe potholes often will not. I tried to determine if a
road bump by the right or left wheel produced the noise, but it appears
to be completely random.

I haven't been able to find anything under the dash that might be
banging together to make the noise, and I am completely stumped. I know
that if I take the truck to the dealer it will be there for a couple of
days - or longer- and they won't find it either.

Has anyone else heard a similar noise in their F250 PSD.

Jeigh

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Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 07:45:35 -0900 (AKST)
From: akmomndad webtv.net (Joseph Veres)
Subject: FTE 97up - New truck!

Hi guys -
I just signed up, and this is my first time on-line. I just recently
ordered my first Ford truck - a 99 SD SC PSD - (I needed to "power-up"
for towing a boat and in the near future, a travel trailer). It should
be delivered the first week in January, according to the dealer, who has
just been so advised by Ford.
Just wanted to say that I have already learned a lot from reading your
posts, and I really appreciate it! I'm sure I'll have questions as the
next six weeks drag by!
One thing I've learned already from reading this group's posts - I guess
I bought a real good truck, right?? =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Thanx
again - Gary

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Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 14:32:13 -0700
From: "Matt Adams"
Subject: FTE 97up - brake job incriments?

I was wondering when everyone was getting their brakes serviced? My brake
light came on, about 19,000, brakes work fine, plenty of fluid, I called the
dealer (I will be going in next week), and he said that most F-150's had
been having brake work done between 15,000-20,000, this wasn't covered under
warranty. Any guidance would be appreciated.


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Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 18:34:03 -0500
From: Mark Lee
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - brake job incriments?

Just had the brakes checked out on my Expedition on Friday. It has
60,000KMs, (about 36000 miles) on it and I was told I still have 40%
left. I drive a lot of city miles and as such I was pleasantly
surprised given the weight of the vehicle.

Matt Adams wrote:
>
> I was wondering when everyone was getting their brakes serviced? My brake
> light came on, about 19,000, brakes work fine, plenty of fluid, I called the
> dealer (I will be going in next week), and he said that most F-150's had
> been having brake work done between 15,000-20,000, this wasn't covered under
> warranty. Any guidance would be appreciated.
>
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Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 19:26:58 EST
From: ROBBCWZ aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - brake job incriments?

Matt:

My '97 F150 had 30,000 miles when I traded it and the brakes were fine - pads
still had lots of wear in them. For reference, my usage was about 70%
interstate and 30% city driving.

Robb C
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Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 21:58:03 -0500
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: FTE 97up - Finding Rattles in the Dash

Try GENTLY using a rubber mallet [or your fist] and bump the dash below the
instrument panel, the top dash pad, steering column, floor, door, center
console, etc. while listening for the rattle (engine off). The goal is to
provide enough impact to re-create the rattle, but obviously not enough to
cause any visible or structural damage [try tapping the various areas about
as hard as you would when tapping a small brad into a thin piece of pine].
Try hitting various areas If you have no luck finding the rattle, get under
the truck (under the driver floor) and continue tapping. If the rattle is
caused by a loose component you should be able to find a location to tap so
you can make it rattle on command. Once you do that, finding the source of
the rattle should be easy (not always though!). I have found numerous
irritating rattles using this method.



Keith



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From: Jeigh Cee
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Sunday, November 29, 1998 9:55 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - F250 PSD Under Dash Rattle


>
>A month or so ago a noise started under the dash - somewhere around the
>steering column - in my 99 F20 PSD. The noise reminds me of the noise
>one might hear when stacking dishes. After a day or two, the noise
>disappeared, but returned a couple of days ago.
>
>I only hear the rattle whenever I hit a bump in the road. But, not
>every bump will produce the noise. Some minor bumps will produce the
>noise while severe potholes often will not. I tried to determine if a
>road bump by the right or left wheel produced the noise, but it appears
>to be completely random.
>
>I haven't been able to find anything under the dash that might be
>banging together to make the noise, and I am completely stumped. I know
>that if I take the truck to the dealer it will be there for a couple of
>days - or longer- and they won't find it either.
>
>Has anyone else heard a similar noise in their F250 PSD.
>
>Jeigh
>
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Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 15:34:04 -0800
From: Danny Gaudenti
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - brake job incriments?

>I was wondering when everyone was getting their brakes serviced? My brake
>light came on, about 19,000, brakes work fine, plenty of fluid, I called the
>dealer (I will be going in next week), and he said that most F-150's had
>been having brake work done between 15,000-20,000, this wasn't covered under
>warranty. Any guidance would be appreciated.

I'm coming up on 20,000 miles and have no reason to think my brakes need
any kind of service. I'll check them next weekend, but most of my miles
are highway so I expect to see fat pads and shoes. Brakes should go much
more than 20,000. Maybe the brake light means something isn't right with
the ABS? Or is that another light?

Danny
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Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 21:35:38 -0700
From: "Matt Adams"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - brake job incriments?

well, thanks for the ideas... what I honestly think it is (from advise from
fellow list members from a while ago) is the rubber knob that takes the
cable through the firewall, but the dealer didn't wan't to listen to me...
the brakes are fine, the ABS is plugged in in back (it isn't the ABS light,
by the way, its the red BRAKE (!) light). I have checked my parking brake,
that works fine, I have tried slowly stopping and lamming on the brakes as
well (on a nice wet surface of course to prevent tire wear!), both work
super. If the dealer tries to tell me that I need to pay for brake service,
I will tell them I will take my business elsewhere, because the brakes are
fine. I am also getting my rear leaf springs checked as well... they didn't
have any lug nuts but Im not concerned about that either :)

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From: Danny Gaudenti
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Sunday, November 29, 1998 9:10 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - brake job incriments?


>>I was wondering when everyone was getting their brakes serviced? My brake
>>light came on, about 19,000, brakes work fine, plenty of fluid, I called
the
>>dealer (I will be going in next week), and he said that most F-150's had
>>been having brake work done between 15,000-20,000, this wasn't covered
under
>>warranty. Any guidance would be appreciated.
>

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Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 23:20:09 -0600
From: "Mike Fairleigh"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - brake job incriments?

This might not apply any more, but it used to be that when the parking
brake light stayed on, it was an indication of a problem with the master
cylinder (i.e., check valves not working properly, etc.). Do let us know
how this turns out, please!


>by the way, its the red BRAKE (!) light). I have checked my parking brake,
>that works fine

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