97up-list-digest Tuesday, November 24 1998 Volume 01 : Number 288



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 97up - Re: Econoline
FTE 97up - Re: F250 Crew Cab
Re: FTE 97up - Re: F250 Crew Cab
FTE 97up - Fw: FOR SALE > Carteret, NJ.
FTE 97up - Engine cooling fan operation
Re: FTE 97up - Re: F250 Crew Cab
Re: FTE 97up - Re: F250 Crew Cab
Re: FTE 97up - Engine cooling fan operation
Re: FTE 97up - Re: F250 Crew Cab
RE: FTE 97up - Engine cooling fan operation (real truck - rare)
Re: FTE 97up - Engine cooling fan operation
FTE 97up - Oil filter location - 1999 F-150 4.
Re: FTE 97up - Resonance vibration

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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 07:52:03 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Econoline

The Econoline has a shorter front overhang, and can be set up to allow
access from the front seats to your storage area. The Econoline is harder
to work on than the F-Series, but not impossible. It has less power (no
intercooler), but still has more than enough power for what 90% of what
people would use them for. You should be able to buy an Econoline a little
cheaper and get one a little quicker than a Super Duty. The Super Duty also
has a few advantages, more power, more wheelbase configurations, and much
much higher resale value. If you run the trucks to high miles (100K plus)
the resale is less of an issue, but if you trade often I'd recommend the
F-Series.

Nathan

- -----Original Message-----
From: Parker Brooks
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Saturday, November 21, 1998 8:53 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Econoline


>hey nathan (or anybody else for that matter),
>
>do you see any pro/cons between getting a e-350 or f-350 for a cube van
type
>setup? i don't need anything dock high, but i'll want the diesel (i
think...
>i've been impressed with the '98 e-350s that i've rented that had the
diesel
>but there again, i didn't have to service it) and i'll need to have a
>hydraulic lift on the back.
>
>can you give me any ideas i might be missing between choosing on the two.
>only other obvious thing is the econoline doesn't have as big of a nose as
>the f-series (for maneuvering).
>
>anybody also know why it's "f" series??
>
>parker
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Union Auto
>To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>Date: Saturday, October 10, 1998 8:11 AM
>Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Econoline
>
>
>>all E-350 use the 4R100 (5.4L or V-10, or Power Stroke). Brakes are
Vacuum
>>boost (hydro boost of E-450 cutaway). Super cooling is standard, the
>>trailer towing pkg.. adds wiring, HD alternator, HD shocks, and sway bars.
>>
>>Changes from 98 to 99:
>> Alpha numeric badging on van, wagon, and cutaway vehicles. E-350
>>labeled Super Duty
>> Color changes
>> 4 wheel disc brakes with 4wABS standard on E-350 SD vans
>> Fail safe cooling standard on all engines (including 4.2L)
>> Optional dual media CD+ Cassette (58K) on certain vans
>> Dual cloth captains chairs offered on commercial vans
>>
>>
>>Nathan Bernard
>>Union Auto, Inc.
>>Union, IA 50258
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Lee Haefele
>>To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>>Date: Saturday, October 10, 1998 7:54 AM
>>Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Econoline
>>
>>
>>>I need to buy an E-350 Econoline van, 9500 GVW for use as a bucket
>>>truck. Does it come with a 4R100 transmission, or is there any
>>>combination such as trailer tow or V-10 that will include the 4R100?
>>>Are engine oil cooler & external trans cooler available (like SD
>>>series)? Will the brakes be vacuum or "Hydro Boost"? Any changes from
>>>98 to 99?
>>>Lee Haefele


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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 11:53:29 -0500
From: Gary & Nancy Brinck
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: F250 Crew Cab

I wonder if it's the Crew Cab option on the F250 that is holding up wvernon's order?
It seems to me a rare combination, whereas I see F350 crew cabs everywhere. You
might consider
changing your order to an F350 SRW Crew Cab, which is essentially the same truck as
the 250 but with an extra 1000# payload. I hear it costs a little more, though,
maybe $1500 list?

Gary

wvernon wrote:
> I've asked this question before and haven't received a response so I'll
> try again. It may have been covered in detail in the past but I'm new
> to this list so please bear with me. I ordered a 99 F250 crew cab
> lariat diesel 4x4 in mid May. The dealer says it still doesn't even
> have a vin number and/or is scheduled for build. Is this normal and
> does anyone think this truck may actually ever be built before the end
> of the millennium?
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 11:27:07 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: F250 Crew Cab

No it isn't the F-250 part of it I have a F-250 Crew cab due in (lost on a
train somewhere). It would just be the dealers availability that is causing
the problem.

Nathan

- -----Original Message-----
From: Gary & Nancy Brinck
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, November 23, 1998 11:06 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: F250 Crew Cab


>I wonder if it's the Crew Cab option on the F250 that is holding up
wvernon's order?
>It seems to me a rare combination, whereas I see F350 crew cabs everywhere.
You
>might consider
>changing your order to an F350 SRW Crew Cab, which is essentially the same
truck as
>the 250 but with an extra 1000# payload. I hear it costs a little more,
though,
>maybe $1500 list?
>
>Gary
>
>wvernon wrote:
>> I've asked this question before and haven't received a response so I'll
>> try again. It may have been covered in detail in the past but I'm new
>> to this list so please bear with me. I ordered a 99 F250 crew cab
>> lariat diesel 4x4 in mid May. The dealer says it still doesn't even
>> have a vin number and/or is scheduled for build. Is this normal and
>> does anyone think this truck may actually ever be built before the end
>> of the millennium?


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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 13:42:25 -0500
From: "Eddie Pettit"
Subject: FTE 97up - Fw: FOR SALE > Carteret, NJ.

Let me start out by saing DON'T EMAIL ME! Email the poster friend work.com
or call him, his number is at the end of the ad.

Ok. I've seen this on alt.trucks.ford twice now and the price has come down
by almost 50%, maybe someone on one of these lists wants this thing. I have
no connection with this item other than the fact that I saw it on the
newsgroup, twice now, and have forwarded it to these mailing lists.

Eddie Pettit
Midlothian VA
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pettitcompany.com/97f150/

- -----Original Message-----
From: friend work.com
Newsgroups: alt.trucks.ford
Date: Monday, November 23, 1998 8:18 AM
Subject: FOR SALE > Carteret, NJ.


>Hard Tonneau Cover for sale for a 1995 to current year Ford F150
>with short bed (6 - 1/2 feet). The color is "dark toreador red" with
>a gel coated underside. Used for 1 - 1/2 years on a leased truck
>that was turned in.
>
>Asking $500.00 or B.O. ($800.00 original price).
>
>Excellent condition. No scratches.
>
>For details please contact me at work or post followup messages to
>this group.
>
>Greg Seibold
>(Carteret, NJ) (732) 541-2025 Ext: 108

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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 14:11:24 PST
From: "Jordan Rautiola"
Subject: FTE 97up - Engine cooling fan operation

I now have 280 miles on my brand-spanking-new '99 F150 XLT 4x4 5.4L
supercab LONGBED (real truck - rare) with ARE CH cap and Dunlop Rover
A/T 285/75-16s (looks great and rides fine). What an incredibly nice
truck. I ride considerably higher than new GM trucks (a feeling of
superiority)! Anyhow, I notice that the cooling fan (electric) is
running all the time, even when cold, and it changes rpm constantly. Is
this normal? Wouldn't this slow the warm-up process? Thanks.

Jordan Rautiola
Hersey, Michigan
'99 4x4 SC LB 5.4L dark tor red w/dark grey int.

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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 18:11:11 -0500
From: wvernon
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: F250 Crew Cab

Union Auto, could you please tell me what you mean? Thanks.

Union Auto wrote:
>
> No it isn't the F-250 part of it I have a F-250 Crew cab due in (lost on a
> train somewhere). It would just be the dealers availability that is causing
> the problem.
>
> Nathan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gary & Nancy Brinck
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Date: Monday, November 23, 1998 11:06 AM
> Subject: FTE 97up - Re: F250 Crew Cab
>
> >I wonder if it's the Crew Cab option on the F250 that is holding up
> wvernon's order?
> >It seems to me a rare combination, whereas I see F350 crew cabs everywhere.
> You
> >might consider
> >changing your order to an F350 SRW Crew Cab, which is essentially the same
> truck as
> >the 250 but with an extra 1000# payload. I hear it costs a little more,
> though,
> >maybe $1500 list?
> >
> >Gary
> >
> >wvernon wrote:
> >> I've asked this question before and haven't received a response so I'll
> >> try again. It may have been covered in detail in the past but I'm new
> >> to this list so please bear with me. I ordered a 99 F250 crew cab
> >> lariat diesel 4x4 in mid May. The dealer says it still doesn't even
> >> have a vin number and/or is scheduled for build. Is this normal and
> >> does anyone think this truck may actually ever be built before the end
> >> of the millennium?
>
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 17:26:59 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: F250 Crew Cab

It would make no difference whether you ordered a F-350 or F-250 They are
the same thing for delivery times. The Crew cab is a short supply item but
not terrible (I have 2 due in). Each dealer earns allocation by their
previous sales history (meaning the more 97 HD sales you had the more SD's
you get). Many dealers have got more sales (due to the popularity of this
truck) than their allocation can support. This is what is causing the
extensive wait for your truck.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.
Union, IA 50258

- -----Original Message-----
From: wvernon
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, November 23, 1998 5:23 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: F250 Crew Cab


>Union Auto, could you please tell me what you mean? Thanks.
>
>Union Auto wrote:
>>
>> No it isn't the F-250 part of it I have a F-250 Crew cab due in (lost on
a
>> train somewhere). It would just be the dealers availability that is
causing
>> the problem.
>>
>> Nathan
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Gary & Nancy Brinck
>> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>> Date: Monday, November 23, 1998 11:06 AM
>> Subject: FTE 97up - Re: F250 Crew Cab
>>
>> >I wonder if it's the Crew Cab option on the F250 that is holding up
>> wvernon's order?
>> >It seems to me a rare combination, whereas I see F350 crew cabs
everywhere.
>> You
>> >might consider
>> >changing your order to an F350 SRW Crew Cab, which is essentially the
same
>> truck as
>> >the 250 but with an extra 1000# payload. I hear it costs a little more,
>> though,
>> >maybe $1500 list?
>> >
>> >Gary
>> >
>> >wvernon wrote:
>> >> I've asked this question before and haven't received a response so
I'll
>> >> try again. It may have been covered in detail in the past but I'm new
>> >> to this list so please bear with me. I ordered a 99 F250 crew cab
>> >> lariat diesel 4x4 in mid May. The dealer says it still doesn't even
>> >> have a vin number and/or is scheduled for build. Is this normal and
>> >> does anyone think this truck may actually ever be built before the end
>> >> of the millennium?


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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 15:49:21 -0800 (PST)
From: Dan Gaudenti
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Engine cooling fan operation


> superiority)! Anyhow, I notice that the cooling fan (electric) is
> running all the time, even when cold, and it changes rpm constantly. Is
> this normal? Wouldn't this slow the warm-up process? Thanks.
>
> Jordan Rautiola
> Hersey, Michigan
> '99 4x4 SC LB 5.4L dark tor red w/dark grey int.

You have an electric fan? Is this in addition to an engine-driven fan?
My '98 4x2 4.2L has only an engine-driven fan (which I'm going to be
replacing with an electric).

Danny

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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 19:05:01 -0500
From: wvernon
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: F250 Crew Cab

Thanks alot for the explanation, Nathan.

Union Auto wrote:
>
> It would make no difference whether you ordered a F-350 or F-250 They are
> the same thing for delivery times. The Crew cab is a short supply item but
> not terrible (I have 2 due in). Each dealer earns allocation by their
> previous sales history (meaning the more 97 HD sales you had the more SD's
> you get). Many dealers have got more sales (due to the popularity of this
> truck) than their allocation can support. This is what is causing the
> extensive wait for your truck.
>
> Nathan Bernard
> Union Auto, Inc.
> Union, IA 50258
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: wvernon
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Date: Monday, November 23, 1998 5:23 PM
> Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: F250 Crew Cab
>
> >Union Auto, could you please tell me what you mean? Thanks.
> >
> >Union Auto wrote:
> >>
> >> No it isn't the F-250 part of it I have a F-250 Crew cab due in (lost on
> a
> >> train somewhere). It would just be the dealers availability that is
> causing
> >> the problem.
> >>
> >> Nathan
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Gary & Nancy Brinck
> >> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> >> Date: Monday, November 23, 1998 11:06 AM
> >> Subject: FTE 97up - Re: F250 Crew Cab
> >>
> >> >I wonder if it's the Crew Cab option on the F250 that is holding up
> >> wvernon's order?
> >> >It seems to me a rare combination, whereas I see F350 crew cabs
> everywhere.
> >> You
> >> >might consider
> >> >changing your order to an F350 SRW Crew Cab, which is essentially the
> same
> >> truck as
> >> >the 250 but with an extra 1000# payload. I hear it costs a little more,
> >> though,
> >> >maybe $1500 list?
> >> >
> >> >Gary
> >> >
> >> >wvernon wrote:
> >> >> I've asked this question before and haven't received a response so
> I'll
> >> >> try again. It may have been covered in detail in the past but I'm new
> >> >> to this list so please bear with me. I ordered a 99 F250 crew cab
> >> >> lariat diesel 4x4 in mid May. The dealer says it still doesn't even
> >> >> have a vin number and/or is scheduled for build. Is this normal and
> >> >> does anyone think this truck may actually ever be built before the end
> >> >> of the millennium?
>
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 18:33:29 -0600
From: "Jeff Schapker"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Engine cooling fan operation (real truck - rare)

What do you mean by real truck? I think everyone on this list probably
owns a real truck if it is a Ford. I own a 1999 F-350 Lariat, 4X4, DRW, PSD,
Crew Cab. This is as real as it gets!

I now have 280 miles on my brand-spanking-new '99 F150 XLT 4x4 5.4L
supercab LONGBED (real truck - rare) with ARE CH cap and Dunlop Rover
A/T 285/75-16s (looks great and rides fine). What an incredibly nice
truck. I ride considerably higher than new GM trucks (a feeling of
superiority)! Anyhow, I notice that the cooling fan (electric) is
running all the time, even when cold, and it changes rpm constantly. Is
this normal? Wouldn't this slow the warm-up process? Thanks.

Jordan Rautiola
Hersey, Michigan
'99 4x4 SC LB 5.4L dark tor red w/dark grey int.


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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 17:17:30 -0800
From: Ken Peterson
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Engine cooling fan operation

>You have an electric fan? Is this in addition to an engine-driven fan?
>My '98 4x2 4.2L has only an engine-driven fan (which I'm going to be
>replacing with an electric).

My '98 F-250 is an engine-driven fan, too.

Danny, where have you seen a good electric substitute? The fluid clutch
(temperature-sensitive) on mine seems to be fairly "intelligent" as to
whether to blow up a storm or just putter along at a speed lower then the
engine's. So why do you want to substitute an electric?

I have an across-the-street neighbor whose Toyota T-100's fan is so loud
every morning, it's the only thing I hear when he starts up. Were it mine,
I would be quite motivated to get an electric. Not my F-250, though. I
think . . .

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Ken Peterson, Portland, OR
1998 F-250LD Lariat, extended cab, short bed, 4X2, 5.4l, class-3 tow options
LT245X16/steel rims, 4W disks + ABS, load-leveling rear suspension.
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 21:59:00 -0500
From: Lou Mallia
Subject: FTE 97up - Oil filter location - 1999 F-150 4.

I just performed my first oil change on my new 1999 F-150 4.6L 4x4 this
past weekend, and got the most wonderful surprise. I searched both
sides of the engine block for the oil filter, to no avail, and was
really scratching my head when I glanced up under the front bumper and
there it was!! This oil filter is in the most easily accessible
location I've seen since my wife owned a 1978 Subaru! Since when has
Ford been using oil filter relocation setups on their trucks? I love
it!!

Lou

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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 23:34:28 -0600
From: "Mike Fairleigh"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Resonance vibration

My '98 F-150 4x2 4.6L XLT SC now has about 10,650 miles on it (took delivery....

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