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In this issue:

FTE 97up - Common Thread
FTE 97up - Help with Turbo Cool Down
Re: FTE 97up - Common Thread
RE: FTE 97up - Help with Turbo Cool Down
FTE 97up - PSD vs. V-10
Re: FTE 97up - PSD vs. V-10
Re: FTE 97up - PSD vs. V-10
Re: FTE 97up - Common Thread
FTE 97up - cost differance?

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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 09:19:46 -0700
From: "Matus, Scott A"
Subject: FTE 97up - Common Thread

I have noticed that this discussion group talks a great deal about Decisions
buying new trucks. Well I have read enough about them. I will let you hear
my story and get on to the serious business.

I live in Colorado, an open range state. Last February I was traveling home
from working on my new house at 10:00 p in a severe foggy snowstorm.
Visibility was maybe 20 to 50 feet depending on the wind. I was amazingly
presented with a herd of cattle in the middle of the road. Traveling at 25
mph on bad tires in a sports car with poor, at best handling in the snow,
the only option was to aim and hope. I struck 2 cows, left and right side,
and drove away. The State Patrol said that is was amazing that you are
still alive, and that 2 of the cows had been really messed up.

I took the insurance money an put a down payment on the biggest, safest damn
truck I could find. I did my homework upfront, found the dealer that would
sell me the vehicle I wanted, and placed the order in March. I received the
truck on October 16. Yes, thats "7 MONTHS", you guys must be patient.

Ordering information:
Dealer: Jim Isbell Ford, Inc.
Contact: Lonnie Buell
Address: Hwy 51 & 81
Hennessey, OK
Phone: 800 375-5181
Deal: ANY Ford vehicle $99.00 UNDER invoice
Delivery: Pick up in Hennessey or $500.00 delivery to you area
(Any state in the Union).

I Challenge you to find a better deal than this. My local dealer wanted to
charge me a $2000.00 premium for ordering this type of truck. I told him to
put it where the sun don't shine.

The vehicle I own: 1999 F350 Super Duty 7.3L TD Crew Cab 4x4 Lariat Trim
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 09:33:20 -0700
From: "Matus, Scott A"
Subject: FTE 97up - Help with Turbo Cool Down

I have a Ford 7.3L TD Truck. I have been looking to address the concerns
of increasing the life of the vehicle beyond the normal setup. One factor
that I want to eliminate from the concern is oil coking in the turbo. I
know that Garrett is the turbo used in these Navistar engines. I would like
to outfit the truck with a turbo cool down system.

These are my ideas.

I could use off the shelf turbo timers, these are available from a variety
of manufacturers. I would like your recommendation on a turbo timer. Then
couple the turbo timer with a temperature controller fitted with a
thermocouple sensing the exhaust gas temperatures outboard of the turbo.
The timer starts the temp control circuit which will cool to a predetermined
set point temp. I would also like you recommendation on this cool down
temperature. Once the temperature is reached the engine would shutdown.
The turbo timer may still be counting down, but that time is irrelevant with
the temp control in the circuit.

The system should work like this : Vehicle is stopped, put in Park (or
reverse for a man trans), and apply parking brake. The setting of the
parking brake enables the Turbo Cool Down circuit. Turn the ignition key
Off, the engine remains running. The Turbo Timer begins counting down from
say 10 minutes and the Temperature Controller starts monitoring the exhaust
temperature. At the desired temperature the Temperature Controller will
stop the engine. If you do not want the Turbo Cool Down circuit to be used,
apply the parking brake AFTER you turn off the ignition key.

Please give me your input into this scenario. Feel free to offer any
suggestions.

Colorado - Scott
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 11:37:57 -0500
From: Dorn Hetzel
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Common Thread

Scott,

I paid $100 over invoice to Phil Long Ford in Denver for my 99 F350 SD CC
7.3PSD 4x4 Offroad SRW XLT. They had pretty much what I wanted in stock,
though I might have liked Lariat, it was nice to just be able to fly out,
hand them a check, and drive back to Georgia with my new truck (after a
suitable break in out in the rockies :) )

-Dorn

On Fri, Nov 20, 1998 at 09:19:46AM -0700, Matus, Scott A wrote:
> I have noticed that this discussion group talks a great deal about Decisions
> buying new trucks. Well I have read enough about them. I will let you hear
> my story and get on to the serious business.
>
> I live in Colorado, an open range state. Last February I was traveling home
> from working on my new house at 10:00 p in a severe foggy snowstorm.
> Visibility was maybe 20 to 50 feet depending on the wind. I was amazingly
> presented with a herd of cattle in the middle of the road. Traveling at 25
> mph on bad tires in a sports car with poor, at best handling in the snow,
> the only option was to aim and hope. I struck 2 cows, left and right side,
> and drove away. The State Patrol said that is was amazing that you are
> still alive, and that 2 of the cows had been really messed up.
>
> I took the insurance money an put a down payment on the biggest, safest damn
> truck I could find. I did my homework upfront, found the dealer that would
> sell me the vehicle I wanted, and placed the order in March. I received the
> truck on October 16. Yes, thats "7 MONTHS", you guys must be patient.
>
> Ordering information:
> Dealer: Jim Isbell Ford, Inc.
> Contact: Lonnie Buell
> Address: Hwy 51 & 81
> Hennessey, OK
> Phone: 800 375-5181
> Deal: ANY Ford vehicle $99.00 UNDER invoice
> Delivery: Pick up in Hennessey or $500.00 delivery to you area
> (Any state in the Union).
>
> I Challenge you to find a better deal than this. My local dealer wanted to
> charge me a $2000.00 premium for ordering this type of truck. I told him to
> put it where the sun don't shine.
>
> The vehicle I own: 1999 F350 Super Duty 7.3L TD Crew Cab 4x4 Lariat Trim
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 12:34:44 -0500
From: "Sutton, Mike"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Help with Turbo Cool Down

Would it not be better to put the temperature sending unit inline between
the turbo and the intake to measure the temperature of the intake charge? I
would think that this would give a better indication of the turbo's temp.
This is assuming that air is traveling through the turbo even when not under
boost. I am not sure if this is the case with turbo used in the PSD.

Regards,
Mike Sutton
mike.sutton gsc.gte.com
(919) 549-1215

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From: Matus, Scott A [SMTP:Matus.Scott.A tci.com]
Sent: Friday, November 20, 1998 11:33 AM
To: 'F 97 - New'
Subject: FTE 97up - Help with Turbo Cool Down


I have a Ford 7.3L TD Truck. I have been looking to address the
concerns
of increasing the life of the vehicle beyond the normal setup. One
factor
that I want to eliminate from the concern is oil coking in the
turbo. I
know that Garrett is the turbo used in these Navistar engines. I
would like
to outfit the truck with a turbo cool down system.

These are my ideas.

I could use off the shelf turbo timers, these are available from a
variety
of manufacturers. I would like your recommendation on a turbo
timer. Then
couple the turbo timer with a temperature controller fitted with a
thermocouple sensing the exhaust gas temperatures outboard of the
turbo.
The timer starts the temp control circuit which will cool to a
predetermined
set point temp. I would also like you recommendation on this cool
down
temperature. Once the temperature is reached the engine would
shutdown.
The turbo timer may still be counting down, but that time is
irrelevant with
the temp control in the circuit.

The system should work like this : Vehicle is stopped, put in Park
(or
reverse for a man trans), and apply parking brake. The setting of
the
parking brake enables the Turbo Cool Down circuit. Turn the
ignition key
Off, the engine remains running. The Turbo Timer begins counting
down from
say 10 minutes and the Temperature Controller starts monitoring the
exhaust
temperature. At the desired temperature the Temperature Controller
will
stop the engine. If you do not want the Turbo Cool Down circuit to
be used,
apply the parking brake AFTER you turn off the ignition key.

Please give me your input into this scenario. Feel free to offer
any
suggestions.

Colorado - Scott
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 10:39:28 -0700
From: "Brandt Dennehy"
Subject: FTE 97up - PSD vs. V-10

OK, so the PSD has more power than the V-10. I knew this when I bought the
V-10, so it doesn't really matter..... With all of the discussions (one
person cutting on the PSD....the next cutting on the V-10), it makes it
sound as though we are against each other. Remember, this is email site for
people that love their Ford Trucks.....we all have that in common. The way
that everybody is talking makes it sound as though we should have separate
sites all together.....The Ford V-10 site and the PSD site. I don't want
that and I don't think anybody else does. This message isn't meant to piss
anybody off, but instead to put things back into perspective.....we all love
our Ford Trucks, whether we have the V-10 or the PSD.....we can all learn
from each other.

- --Brandt

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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 12:56:53 -0500
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - PSD vs. V-10

Well put.

Keith


- -----Original Message-----
From: Brandt Dennehy
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Friday, November 20, 1998 12:42 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - PSD vs. V-10


>OK, so the PSD has more power than the V-10. I knew this when I bought the
>V-10, so it doesn't really matter..... With all of the discussions (one
>person cutting on the PSD....the next cutting on the V-10), it makes it
>sound as though we are against each other. Remember, this is email site
for
>people that love their Ford Trucks.....we all have that in common. The way
>that everybody is talking makes it sound as though we should have separate
>sites all together.....The Ford V-10 site and the PSD site. I don't want
>that and I don't think anybody else does. This message isn't meant to piss
>anybody off, but instead to put things back into perspective.....we all
love
>our Ford Trucks, whether we have the V-10 or the PSD.....we can all learn
>from each other.
>
>--Brandt
>
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 14:57:25 -0500
From: Bill
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - PSD vs. V-10

I second the motion.

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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 15:18:25 -0500
From: wvernon
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Common Thread

A very inspirational story. I won't give up hope, but I don't think
I'll see my identically equipped order as quickly.

Matus, Scott A wrote:
>
> I have noticed that this discussion group talks a great deal about Decisions
> buying new trucks. Well I have read enough about them. I will let you hear
> my story and get on to the serious business.
>
> I live in Colorado, an open range state. Last February I was traveling home
> from working on my new house at 10:00 p in a severe foggy snowstorm.
> Visibility was maybe 20 to 50 feet depending on the wind. I was amazingly
> presented with a herd of cattle in the middle of the road. Traveling at 25
> mph on bad tires in a sports car with poor, at best handling in the snow,
> the only option was to aim and hope. I struck 2 cows, left and right side,
> and drove away. The State Patrol said that is was amazing that you are
> still alive, and that 2 of the cows had been really messed up.
>
> I took the insurance money an put a down payment on the biggest, safest damn
> truck I could find. I did my homework upfront, found the dealer that would
> sell me the vehicle I wanted, and placed the order in March. I received the
> truck on October 16. Yes, thats "7 MONTHS", you guys must be patient.
>
> Ordering information:
> Dealer: Jim Isbell Ford, Inc.
> Contact: Lonnie Buell
> Address: Hwy 51 & 81
> Hennessey, OK
> Phone: 800 375-5181
> Deal: ANY Ford vehicle $99.00 UNDER invoice
> Delivery: Pick up in Hennessey or $500.00 delivery to you area
> (Any state in the Union).
>
> I Challenge you to find a better deal than this. My local dealer wanted to
> charge me a $2000.00 premium for ordering this type of truck. I told him to
> put it where the sun don't shine.
>
> The vehicle I own: 1999 F350 Super Duty 7.3L TD Crew Cab 4x4 Lariat Trim
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 21:08:21 -0600
From: boblutz
Subject: FTE 97up - cost differance?

For a 1999 superduty ford charges $1500 more for a f350 over the same....

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