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In this issue:

FTE 97up - Re: F-250
FTE 97up - Re:PTO
FTE 97up - ford towing
FTE 97up - Re: F250 Towing
Re: FTE 97up - Ford Headlight adjusting tool
FW: FTE 97up - Lariat owner gifts.
Re: FTE 97up - Re: F-250
Re: FW: FTE 97up - Lariat owner gifts.
Re: FTE 97up - Sythetic Oil
FTE 97up - Re: Ford 99 Superduty Spare Tire Kit
FTE 97up - Synthetic Oil
Re: FTE 97up - Re: Fog light installation
Re: FTE 97up - Sythetic Oil
Re: FTE 97up - Re: Ford 99 Superduty Spare Tire Kit
FTE 97up - oil leak
FTE 97up - Gas Mileage/Supercab doors
FTE 97up - Lockers
FTE 97up - Re: drop-type weight distributing hitch
Re: FTE 97up - Gas Mileage/Supercab doors
FTE 97up - My truck doesn't have the 4x4 stickers on the bed
Re: FTE 97up - Re:PTO
FTE 97up - Re: My truck doesn't have the 4x4 stickers on the bed
Re: FTE 97up - Ford Headlight adjusting tool
Re: FTE 97up - My truck doesn't have the 4x4 stickers on the bed
Re: FTE 97up - Lockers
Re: FTE 97up - My truck doesn't have the 4x4 stickers on the bed
Re: FW: FTE 97up - Lariat owner gifts.
FTE 97up - Re: Gifts
RE: FTE 97up - Lockers

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 06:55:45 -0500
From: Lee Haefele
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: F-250

>
>
> I'm about to order a F-250 Super Cab, Longbed, 2wd, V-10, Automatic,
> stock tires. It will be used mostly for pulling a Fifth Wheel travel
> trailer weighting 9650 loaded. I like to travel at 60 to 65MPH. Both
> the 3.73 and 4.30 axle ratio are listed for this load.
For heavens sake get the 4.30 gears for this much weight. 1) The V-10
produces max torque at 2700 rpm...sort of high for a truck engine.
2) The auto shift trans runs about 97% with torque conv locked, so you
don't get the extra rpm from the conv.
I would recommend that you get an F-350 DRW, for safety, stability &
traction. You did say towing was primary use.
I have 99 F-350 DRW 4x4 V-10 auto cab-chassis model, with utility body
& bucket lift. Weight is 10,500 & 4.30 gears are just right, I think
this has .72 overdrive, where the std shift is about .76. Rpm at 60 in
OD is about 2100, around 2900 in 3rd, which is then good for hills. A
F-350 DRW should also come with "Hydro Boost" brakes, the vacuum boost
brakes require too much pedal pressure for heavy use, but make your
dealer call Ford first on this, mine came with the wrong booster & is
being changed finally.(After a long runaround).
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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 07:12:35 -0500
From: Lee Haefele
Subject: FTE 97up - Re:PTO

>
> Can anyone please post a simple explanation of the power takeoff provision,
> eg.,
> 1. how it works (especially on the V-10 F-350 SuperDuty which does not have
> an auxiliary idle feature) and what uses are available
It is just a port on the trans(optional on auto) where you can mount
(usually) a hydraulic pump. Ford likes this better than fan belt driven
"clutch pump", but these are avail also.
> 2. What aftermarket equipment is required
A high idle unit is req'd W/auto trans.
> 3. who sells the aftermarket units required
The dealer who installs the equip that requires the hydraulic power.
> 4. typical uses
Wreckers, bucket trucks, dump trucks.
> 5. costs, problems associated with then, any other relevant information
If you run the engine all day, it wears out sooner, sucks gas, for
constant use, get the Diesel. You can also get a variety of
electro/hrdraulic pumps, including Perm mag motor(constant duty) units.
These are easier to install because they mount to the equipment, rather
than the truck, then when you transfer the equip to a new truck, all you
do is hook up a battery wire. Engine/PTO pump is considered most
reliable. Other choice is gas engine/hydro pump, sometimes includes
120V generator. I own 7 bucket trucks.
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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 08:21:21 EST
From: Roymaxi aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - ford towing

I want to buy a Ford 250 or F350 Dls. automatic crew cab used or new .I have a
friend who has a 97 F250 Dls.that pulls my 4 horse trailer alot better than my
97 350Ram.Dls automatic 3:54 rear .My Ram gets 10 to 12 mpg and 14 to16 mpg
.The rpm are about same .The Ford has a code 39 axle and the Ford gets up to
60 to 65 mph alot quicker and hauling horses I am afraid of getting hit in
rear!! I haul alot on the Interstates highways. A lot of truckers go 70 to
75mph ,but trying to stop a horse trailer fast can get horses hurt real easy
.I haul race horses .I drove a 97 Ford 350dual wheel crew cab Dls.15000 miles
automatic yesterday with a code T5 .the rpm at 60 mph was 2000 rpm and the mpg
was about the same as my ram.It was alittle slower than my Ram .The ford
shifted real hard into 3rd gear it did slip and than held and the shift
into4th was good .The mpg in Ford at 60 to65 was lower than the .The 97 F250
of my friends is what I am looking for but in a crew cab.
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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 08:28:00 -0500
From: Gary & Nancy Brinck
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: F250 Towing

In response to Bill's F250 towing query...
I don't have the V10, but I am pulling a 10,000# 5W trailer with an F250 SC SC
Powerstroke Auto with the 3.73LS axle. It runs about 1700 RPM at 60-65 mph, which is
probably lower than the V10 will run. It tows in overdrive all the time, including
many moderate grades. However, any kind of headwind will cause it to stay out of OD
- - I think the huge frontal area of the 5W is a bigger factor than the weight. Since
the V10 has less torque than the PSD, you may find that the tranny hunts somewhere
around 60 mph with the 3.73 axle, but it's hard to say since trailers can differ so
much. The 4.30 would be a safer bet for assured towing performance, but the gas
mileage might choke you! I'm getting 11-13 mpg towing with the diesel, but you will
be probably only get half that with the V10.

Gary

Bill Wrote:
> I'm about to order a F-250 Super Cab, Longbed, 2wd, V-10, Automatic,
> stock tires. It will be used mostly for pulling a Fifth Wheel travel
> trailer weighting 9650 loaded. I like to travel at 60 to 65MPH. Both
> the 3.73 and 4.30 axle ratio are listed for this load. Question: is
> anyone pulling this weight with the above listed equipment? If so using
> which rear end? What is the engine RPM at 60MPH? Are you able to pull
> in overdrive?
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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 08:27:18 -0500
From: Jean Marc Chartier
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Ford Headlight adjusting tool

ROBBCWZ aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 11/14/98 11:49:56 AM Central Standard Time,
> jmc.chartier sympatico.ca writes:
>
>
>
> There was a discussion on how to adjust the headlights on
> the Pickups. Well I bought the tool at my local UAP/NAPA
> store. It is made by UltraPro. Part # 62140. It cost me
> $27.00 CDN or $17.00 US. What it is, is a 4mm ratchet head
> on a 12 inch handle. All you do is slip it over the
> adjuster and ratchet away.
>
> Regards
>
> Jean Marc Chartier >>
>
> I have found it just as easy - and much cheaper - just to remove the headlight
> assembly and rotate the "star" adjusters by hand and then slip the assembly
> back in.
>
> Robert T Cowzer
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Robert,

I first bought a 1/4 inch drive 4mm socket but it would
not fit on the adjuster with the ratchet handle on so I
thought of doing that also. The idea of removing the assy
did not appeal to me. Besides what if I over adjust? I
could spend the day removing and replacing the assy.

Regards

Jean Marc Chartier
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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 08:04:18 -0600
From: "Gary Day"
Subject: FW: FTE 97up - Lariat owner gifts.

I received my F250 SuperDuty on 7/1/98. Surprise! this Saturday, 11/14/98,
I received a 50 year anniversary blanket.


Gary Day
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>
>I was wondering if people that have purchased Lariat Super Duties have
>received any gifts. In the past with the high end of a model line (Eddie
>Bauer, Limited, Lariat, etc..) they have sent out a gift. In the past its
>been directors chars, duffel bags and blankets. Has anyone with a super
>duty gotten anything? As a dealer they don't tell us what they send out so
>the only way we now is if a customer tells us.
>
>Nathan Bernard
>Union Auto, Inc.
>Union, IA 50258
>
>

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 10:12:34 -0500
From: Scot Evanson
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: F-250

How were you able to determine which brakes were to be installed?

Lee Haefele wrote:

> >
> >
> > I'm about to order a F-250 Super Cab, Longbed, 2wd, V-10, Automatic,
> > stock tires. It will be used mostly for pulling a Fifth Wheel travel
> > trailer weighting 9650 loaded. I like to travel at 60 to 65MPH. Both
> > the 3.73 and 4.30 axle ratio are listed for this load.
> For heavens sake get the 4.30 gears for this much weight. 1) The V-10
> produces max torque at 2700 rpm...sort of high for a truck engine.
> 2) The auto shift trans runs about 97% with torque conv locked, so you
> don't get the extra rpm from the conv.
> I would recommend that you get an F-350 DRW, for safety, stability &
> traction. You did say towing was primary use.
> I have 99 F-350 DRW 4x4 V-10 auto cab-chassis model, with utility body
> & bucket lift. Weight is 10,500 & 4.30 gears are just right, I think
> this has .72 overdrive, where the std shift is about .76. Rpm at 60 in
> OD is about 2100, around 2900 in 3rd, which is then good for hills. A
> F-350 DRW should also come with "Hydro Boost" brakes, the vacuum boost
> brakes require too much pedal pressure for heavy use, but make your
> dealer call Ford first on this, mine came with the wrong booster & is
> being changed finally.(After a long runaround).
> Lee Haefele
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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 09:22:55 -0600
From: ben esig.com
Subject: Re: FW: FTE 97up - Lariat owner gifts.

I took delivery of my 99 F150 SC 4X4 on October 5, 1998( I ordered
it on August 14th). I received my Ford 50th Anniversary Blanket, or
throw rug, or whatever it is, November 5th. Don't think Ford sent it
it to just Lariat owners. I wanted to hang on the wall in my
bedroom, but the ole ball-an-chain(wife) said no.

By the way, the 5.4L V8 in my 99 F150 is vastly improved over the
5.4L that I had in my 97 F150.
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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 10:11:36 -0600
From: "Charles Abraham"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Sythetic Oil

Is there any scientific evidence that supports the claims of synthetic oil?

Motorcycle Consumer News, hired a professor of chemistry to do independent,
scientific tests conducted under controlled conditions in a university
laboratory. They pitted Castrol GTX against Honda's own brand of synthetic
motorcycle oil. The $1.24/quart petroleum-based Castrol outperformed the
synthetic Honda product that costs nearly 5 times as much.

Now I know we're not talking "motorcycles", but I think there is still something
to be learned here.

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 10:33:00 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Ford 99 Superduty Spare Tire Kit

The reason the spare wheel and tire is an option is because most people
using large hitches have to remove the spare anyway and many of the heavy
truck owners don't want the spare underneath (they put it in the box so they
can get to it if they need it). The majority of the trucks I sell (by a
huge margin) don't order the spare tire. Its standard on the F-150 and
F-250 LD. The ordering guides list the spare tire option so your salesman
should have told you about it. Ford also sends out bulletins often telling
dealers to note that the bolt pattern is different on SD's than previous
years. The good news is that you can add the spare tire carrier for about
the same price as if you'd ordered it on the truck.

Steel wheel F81Z 1015 AA list $100.22 dealer cost $60.13 (add 10-15%
for rush delivery)
XLT aluminum wheel F81Z 1007 FA (if built before Sep. 13th) list 263.75
dealer cost 158.25
Lariat aluminum wheel F81Z 1007 AA list 263.75 dealer cost $158.25
Steel wheel for DRW trucks F81Z 1015 CA list $132.40 dealer cost
79.44


As for the hanger they list it in parts. I haven't ordered any yet so you
may get the whole assembly with the hoist but according to the microfiche
you don't, so here's the parts list

Lift asy. F81Z 1A131 AF list $69.38 cost 41.63 (if your not in a hurry
I'd just order this and see what you get)

Guide F81Z 1A433 AA list $298 cost $1.79
Spacer F81Z 1A375 AA list $15.10 Cost 9.06
Stop F81Z 1K356 AA list $9.20 cost 5.57

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.


- -----Original Message-----
From: Michael
To: unionaut adiis.net
Date: Sunday, November 15, 1998 6:43 AM
Subject: Ford 99 Superduty Spare Tire Kit


>Nathan,
>
> I enjoy reading your posts to the Ford NewsGroup. Its a good feeling
>to know that someone that has the facts can and does post so we can all
>learn firsthand about our questions.
>
> Anyway, I ordered my 99 F250 4X4 SuperDuty SuperCab Lariat and was not
>asked nor did I see on the spec sheet the option for ordering a spare tire
>and carrier. Now that it has been delivered, I'm stuck without a spare
>tire and I want to travel.
>
> Is there and e-mail address for Ford that I can register a complaint
>about this not being listed as an option in the book I was given and could
>you send me the part numbers for the carrier assembly and the Premium
>Aluminum 16" Wheel. I know I'll have to get my own tire because I have
>already upgraded them to Goodyear 305/75/16 size tires.
>
> Thanks In Advance,
> Michael


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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 10:39:21 -0600
From: ywozniak kiwi.dep.anl.gov (Todd Wozniak)
Subject: FTE 97up - Synthetic Oil

Thanks for all the feedback on my oil question. The company who supplies
the product is AMSOIL. They have different stages to their product. If
one chooses to go all year without an oil change then you must send samples
to their company for analysis to check for impurities. It would be nice
not to worry about oil changing for a year but the time spent sampling and
sending is similar to changing oil on a regular basis.

Thanks,

Todd Wozniak


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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 11:51:34 -0500
From: Jean Marc Chartier
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Fog light installation

Eddie Pettit wrote:
>
> >Jim, if you purchase the kit, you should be able to install it yourself, I
> put
> >one in my Expy, but didnt have to run the wiring, (Its there from the
> factory
> >on the Expy's and also I think on the 4X4 Trucks)
>
> Can anyone confirm or deny that the wiring is already there on the 4WD
> trucks? My F150 appears to have the proper switch, which to me means, that
> when the headlights are on you can pull the knob out as if to turn on the
> fogs. Is the wiring attached to the back of the switch already?
>
> If the wiring isn't attached or even there, how do I get to the back of the
> switch?
>
> I ran across an Expedition this weekend with fog/driving lights mounted in
> the bumper around the license plate frame. The brackets were fabricated at
> the dealership but it looks easy enough to do so I hope to tackle this next
> weekend, weather permitting. I have a garage, but it's full of pinball
> machines so I can't use it. :-(
>
> Eddie Pettit
> Midlothian VA
> eddie thepettitfamily.org
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Eddie,

You will need to purchase a new switch with the fog lamp
switch included. Although yours pulls out it is used for
removing the switch not turning on the fog lamps.

Removing switch

1- Disconnect the battery
2- Turn the switch to the headlight position and pull.
3- Insert a thin tool into the bottom of the knob to
release it and remove the knob.
4- Turn the knob 180 deg and install.
5- Turn the knob counterclockwise until the back of the knob
is in the off position.
6- Turn the knob clockwise fully.
7- Pull out switch.

Behind the switch there should be 3 connectors. A gray one
with 6 terminals, forget about it. A black one with 6
terminals with a yellow wire is the one for the fog lights.
The remaining connector with 4 terminals with a White
w/black stripe wire is the one for the fog lamp on
indicator.

Fog Lamps at Bumper

The right side fog lamp wire should be in the same wire
loom as the horns. It is a black connector with 2 terminals
and a black wire and a tan w/orange stripe. Find it and you
are almost done.

Relays & Fuses

You will need to check to see if you have a fog lamp
relay. In the RPO box, it is next to the Power Distribution
Box, you will find 12 slots for relays. From the fender
towards the motor, 2 small ones side by side, 2 more small
ones side by side, 2 large ones and 2 more small ones side
by side. The slot closest to front and closest to the driver
fender is the relay for the fox lamps. The fuse for the fog
lamps is a 5 amp in position # 27 of the fuse box inside the
cab. Good luck in finding everything.

Regards

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 11:23:31 -0600 (CST)
From: dfloyd fnord.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Sythetic Oil

I am running synthetic in my F150, but its due to the fact that its another
backstop if I let my truck go over 3K miles without a change. Plus, its
not that much more than regular motor oil. (I would rather change motor
oil and do some basic maintainence than have to change trucks every so often,
as I am planning to keep this one for a long time.

>
> have ran synthetics in last (3) f150's. the previous (2) both went over
> 200,000, the latest one is a 98 w/triton. my experience shows no problem. if
> you are uncomfortable with the thought of extended oil changes, then by all
> means change it as frequently as you are comfortable with.
> mike-lubecon

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 13:56:22 EST
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Ford 99 Superduty Spare Tire Kit

In a message dated 98-11-16 12:04:33 EST, you write:

what a bunch of crap no spare for a truck, man they are really getting cheap.
I would have never bought my truck if there were no spare. Thats like saying
I want Super Duty so i can be stranded. I think some one at FoMoCo. should
definately do some homework on this one.
Today i ordered front bug deflector for my F 250 SD! Hope its not too bad on
the install. I m sure some one has some intel on this.

Ross S

The reason the spare wheel and tire is an option is because most people
using large hitches have to remove the spare anyway and many of the heavy
truck owners don't want the spare underneath (they put it in the box so they
can get to it if they need it). The majority of the trucks I sell (by a
huge margin) don't order the spare tire. Its standard on the F-150 and
F-250 LD. The ordering guides list the spare tire option so your salesman
should have told you about it. Ford also sends out bulletins often telling
dealers to note that the bolt pattern is different on SD's than previous
years. The good news is that you can add the spare tire carrier for about
the same price as if you'd ordered it on the truck.

Steel wheel F81Z 1015 AA list $100.22 dealer cost $60.13 (add 10-15%
for rush delivery)
XLT aluminum wheel F81Z 1007 FA (if built before Sep. 13th) list 263.75
dealer cost 158.25
Lariat aluminum wheel F81Z 1007 AA list 263.75 dealer cost $158.25
Steel wheel for DRW trucks F81Z 1015 CA list $132.40 dealer cost
79.44


As for the hanger they list it in parts. I haven't ordered any yet so you
may get the whole assembly with the hoist but according to the microfiche
you don't, so here's the parts list

Lift asy. F81Z 1A131 AF list $69.38 cost 41.63 (if your not in a hurry
I'd just order this and see what you get)

Guide F81Z 1A433 AA list $298 cost $1.79
Spacer F81Z 1A375 AA list $15.10 Cost 9.06
Stop F81Z 1K356 AA list $9.20 cost 5.57

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.
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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 14:40:54 -0800
From: tritech
Subject: FTE 97up - oil leak

This is my first post, but Iv been reading for a few months. I have a 99
F250 SD SC LB SW 4X4 PSD(whew). And like the very much. I have 9800 on the
truck and had to leave it at the dealer today. I hound an oil leak coming
from the driver side innercooler !!! It has leaked enough to run down
and cover the frame in the last week or so. (last car wash) Any
thoughts? It must be a turbo problem, I have lost about 2mpg and some
power as well.

Thanks for all the great posts. Tom Gearhart

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 14:06:03 -0700
From: "Brandt Dennehy"
Subject: FTE 97up - Gas Mileage/Supercab doors

First of all, I know we have had several discussions on what larger
tires will do to the axle ratio and speedometer, but my question has to do
only with the gas mileage. Has anybody that has put larger tires on their
superduty noticed a change in gas mileage. If so, what tires, what effects?
I have a 99 superduty supercab
v-10 with the 3.73 ratio. It has 235/85's on it and I'm considering either
285/75's or 255/85's. Any feedback would be very helpful.

Also, I was out in the hills with my truck over the weekend and started to
notice a sound coming from the driver's side doors. I have the
supercab....anyway, when I hit a bump hard enough, the rear door seems to
pull away from the body and then come crashing back (giving a large thump).
My buddy said he has a friend with one of the 3door trucks that had to have
the rear door adjusted (tightened) to get rid of the same problem. Anybody
else have this problem? Any suggestions? Can it be adjusted?
Thanks for the feedback!!

- -Brandt

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 15:30:29 -0600
From: scott anderson
Subject: FTE 97up - Lockers

Can anyone tell me anything about the Arb Air Lockers?

Are they worth the money?

Are they hard on the truck?

Are they hard to install?

How much do they cost?

What is a good company to buy it from?

Do they provide a great increase in traction over stock set-up?

How do you engage/disengage the locker?

I have a 1997 1-ton Regular Cab Powerstoke with a manual transmission and 4.10
gears w/limited slip in the rear....if that matters any.

Thanks so much for your help!!!

Scott Anderson


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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 19:19:38 -0600
From: "Bud Feuless & Miki Magara"
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: drop-type weight distributing hitch

Thanks, everyone, for your input on this. I finally found what I was
looking for at Reese's web site. They have a draw bar with 5 holes to allow
up to (I think) a bit over 5" of travel up or down, that mates with either
their trunnion or round-bar type weight distributing hitches and has the
10,000# plus rating I'm looking for. This stuff ain't cheap, but at least
it works with a 2" square receiver, meaning I can use the Ford factory Class
IV.

Thanks again, Bud


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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 20:53:26 -0500
From: "Eddie Pettit"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Gas Mileage/Supercab doors

>First of all, I know we have had several discussions on what larger
>tires will do to the axle ratio and speedometer, but my question has to do
>only with the gas mileage. Has anybody that has put larger tires on their
>superduty noticed a change in gas mileage. If so, what tires, what
effects?
>I have a 99 superduty supercab
>v-10 with the 3.73 ratio. It has 235/85's on it and I'm considering either
>285/75's or 255/85's. Any feedback would be very helpful.

I replaced my 235s with 285s on my F150 and have only lost about 1 mile per
gallon. I now get about 13 city and 15 Highway and 9 Offroad in 4WD Low.
Additionally, it now handles more like a truck because of the additional
unspring weight.

Eddie Pettit
Midlothian VA
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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 21:38:48 -0500
From: "Eddie Pettit"
Subject: FTE 97up - My truck doesn't have the 4x4 stickers on the bed

As the subject says "My truck doesn't have the 4x4 stickers on the bed.". I
purchased the truck used and it began it's life as a Budget Rental truck. I
was just wondering how common the lack of stickers was and what else I might
be missing.

If you want to see pics and haven't already, check out
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pettitcompany.com/97f150/ and/or
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pettitcompany.com/97f1501/ .

Thanks in advance for any assistance,
Eddie Pettit
Midlothian VA


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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 21:48:19 -0500
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re:PTO

Thanks Lee. Not anticipating hydraulic uses such as wrecker or dump-body,
rather I was hoping to be able to hook-up (permanently) a small generator of
sorts so all I have to do is "flip a switch" and I can have nice fresh 240 V
/ 120 V available anytime (just for short time periods, to use power tools,
temporary lighting, ect., for a couple hours or so). Is this possible???
Thanks again for the response.


Keith



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From: Lee Haefele
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, November 16, 1998 7:16 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - Re:PTO


>>
>> Can anyone please post a simple explanation of the power takeoff
provision,
>> eg.,
>> 1. how it works (especially on the V-10 F-350 SuperDuty which does not
have
>> an auxiliary idle feature) and what uses are available
> It is just a port on the trans(optional on auto) where you can mount
>(usually) a hydraulic pump. Ford likes this better than fan belt driven
>"clutch pump", but these are avail also.
>> 2. What aftermarket equipment is required
> A high idle unit is req'd W/auto trans.
>> 3. who sells the aftermarket units required
>The dealer who installs the equip that requires the hydraulic power.
>> 4. typical uses
>Wreckers, bucket trucks, dump trucks.
>> 5. costs, problems associated with then, any other relevant information
>If you run the engine all day, it wears out sooner, sucks gas, for
>constant use, get the Diesel. You can also get a variety of
>electro/hrdraulic pumps, including Perm mag motor(constant duty) units.
>These are easier to install because they mount to the equipment, rather
>than the truck, then when you transfer the equip to a new truck, all you
>do is hook up a battery wire. Engine/PTO pump is considered most
>reliable. Other choice is gas engine/hydro pump, sometimes includes
>120V generator. I own 7 bucket trucks.
>Lee Haefele
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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 22:18:11 -0500
From: "Eddie Pettit"
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: My truck doesn't have the 4x4 stickers on the bed

Maybe I can answer my own question. It doesn't have the ORP package? What
did this package include?

>As the subject says "My truck doesn't have the 4x4 stickers on the bed.".
I
>purchased the truck used and it began it's life as a Budget Rental truck.
I
>was just wondering how common the lack of stickers was and what else I
might
>be missing.
>
>If you want to see pics and haven't already, check out
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pettitcompany.com/97f150/ and/or
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pettitcompany.com/97f1501/ .
>
>Thanks in advance for any assistance,
>Eddie Pettit
>Midlothian VA


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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 22:21:34 EST
From: ROBBCWZ aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Ford Headlight adjusting tool

In a message dated 11/16/98 07:57:29 AM Central Standard Time,
jmc.chartier sympatico.ca writes:


> I have found it just as easy - and much cheaper - just to remove the
headlight
> assembly and rotate the "star" adjusters by hand and then slip the assembly
> back in.
>

> Robert,

I first bought a 1/4 inch drive 4mm socket but it would
not fit on the adjuster with the ratchet handle on so I
thought of doing that also. The idea of removing the assy
did not appeal to me. Besides what if I over adjust? I
could spend the day removing and replacing the assy.

Regards

Jean Marc Chartier >>


It's probably one of those pesonal things, I guess, with no "right" or "wrong"
answer. I found I got them adjusted to my satisfaction in 2-to-3 tries. By
the time I get into the garage, get the tools, etc., I can have the assembly
out, adjusted and back without any tools.

Robert T Cowzer
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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 19:37:06 -0800
From: George Passidakis
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - My truck doesn't have the 4x4 stickers on the bed

Eddie,

I'm not sure on the F150's but on the Super Duty models the "4x4" stickers on the side of the bed come as part of the "Off-Road" package. Also included, more importantly, are fuel tank and transfer case skid plates. Do you have them?

George

At 11/16/98 09:38 PM, you wrote:
>As the subject says "My truck doesn't have the 4x4 stickers on the bed.". I
>purchased the truck used and it began it's life as a Budget Rental truck. I
>was just wondering how common the lack of stickers was and what else I might
>be missing.
>
>If you want to see pics and haven't already, check out
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pettitcompany.com/97f150/ and/or
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pettitcompany.com/97f1501/ .
>
>Thanks in advance for any assistance,
>Eddie Pettit
>Midlothian VA
>
>
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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 20:01:45 -0800
From: George Passidakis
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Lockers

Scott,

See some answers below:

At 11/16/98 03:30 PM, you wrote:
>Can anyone tell me anything about the Arb Air Lockers?

Here are couple of links that might help:

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.off -road. com /4x4web/faqs/diffs.html
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.4x4now.com/4wsdtrr.htm
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.dynatrac.com/dyna4x4.html
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.differentials.com/

>Are they worth the money?

If you need them, they are worth the money.

>Are they hard on the truck?

An ARB locker, used properly, is not hard on the truck. When NOT used properly, they can contribute to breakage. You need to be conscious and unlock them when your tires are not able to slip and you are turning.

>Are they hard to install?

If you do not have experience installing differentials, they are hard to install. Probably the hardest locker to install. Since they are air operated, you also need to install a compressor, wiring, switches and drill holes in your axles.

>How much do they cost?

More than any other locker. Especially if you include the related items: compressor etc. Probably at least $700-$900 for one axle including installation, compressor, wiring etc from a reputable shop.

>What is a good company to buy it from?
>
>Do they provide a great increase in traction over stock set-up?

Yes

>How do you engage/disengage the locker?

"At the push of a button" The switch activates a compressor to build/release pressure in an air line.

>I have a 1997 1-ton Regular Cab Powerstoke with a manual transmission and 4.10
>gears w/limited slip in the rear....if that matters any.

You need to know your axle model. See some of the links above. Call them for more info or prices.

>Thanks so much for your help!!!
>
>Scott Anderson
>
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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 23:17:42 -0500
From: "Eddie Pettit"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - My truck doesn't have the 4x4 stickers on the bed

>I'm not sure on the F150's but on the Super Duty models the "4x4" stickers
on the side of >the bed come as part of the "Off-Road" package. Also
included, more importantly, are >fuel tank and transfer case skid plates.
Do you have them?

OK, now I'm getting somewhere. The underside of the truck has zero skid
plates. Thanks!

I know that Ford probably wants an arm and a leg for them but does someone
know of a good, inexpensive source for skid plates for the front end,
transfer case and tank? Anyone running a skid plate on their rear?

Thanks in advance,
Eddie Pettit
Midlothian VA
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pettitcompany.com/97f150


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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 23:33:14 EST
From: LegalImag aol.com
Subject: Re: FW: FTE 97up - Lariat owner gifts.

In a message dated 11/16/98 9:37:38 AM Central Standard Time, ben esig.com
writes:


it on August 14th). I received my Ford 50th Anniversary Blanket, or
throw rug, or whatever it is, November 5th. Don't think Ford sent it
it to just Lariat owners. I wanted to hang on the wall in my
bedroom, but the ole ball-an-chain(wife) said no.

By the way, the 5.4L V8 in my 99 F150 is vastly improved over the
5.4L that I had in my 97 F150.
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You dont have a 50th aniversy truck that does not make since at all to me
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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 22:57:23 -0600
From: "Ronald Palmer"
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Gifts

How long after the purchase are you getting these gifts? A friend purchased
a F150 XLT and got some pretty nice directors chairs. I have gotten a patch,
but thats about it. I have a 1998 F150 XLT SC. I have had it since the first
week in August.

Ron


>When I purchased my '98 F-150 SC 4X4 Lariat, I received the 50 year
>anniversary throw. My friend purchased a '98 F-150 SC 4X2 XLT two weeks
after
>my purchase and never received the throw. We both received the 50 year
>patches. I'm beginning to think that maybe Ford only sends out the throw
>gifts to those who purchase Lariat models.
>
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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 00:49:35 -0600
From: scott anderson
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Lockers

>===== Original Message From George Passidakis
=====
>Scott,
>
>See some answers below:
>
>At 11/16/98 03:30 PM, you wrote:
>>Can anyone tell me anything about the Arb Air Lockers?
>
>Here are couple of links that might help:
>
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.off -road. com /4x4web/faqs/diffs.html
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.4x4now.com/4wsdtrr.htm
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.dynatrac.com/dyna4x4.html
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.differentials.com/
>
>>Are they worth the money?
>
>If you need them, they are worth the money.
>
>>Are they hard on the truck?
>
>An ARB locker, used properly, is not hard on the truck. When NOT used
properly, they can contribute to breakage. You need to be conscious and
unlock them when your tires are not able to slip and you are turning.
>
>>Are they hard to install?
>
>If you do not have experience installing differentials, they are hard to
install. Probably the hardest locker to install. Since they are air....


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