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97up-list-digest Saturday, November 14 1998 Volume 01 : Number 277 ======================================================================= Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1997 and Newer Trucks and Vans Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - To unsubscribe, send email to: majordomo  ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe 97up-list-digest" in the body of the message. ======================================================================= In this issue: FTE 97up - Front Axle Wear FTE 97up - My New Truck FTE 97up - Re: Shift points on V-10 FTE 97up - Re: Chassis Cab F350 vs Bed Delete F350 Re: FTE 97up - My New Truck FTE 97up - Lariats without Leather (No, that's not the name of a band!) Re: FTE 97up - Re: Chassis Cab F350 vs Bed Delete F350 Re: FTE 97up - took delivery and i need a step ladder! FTE 97up - Teal paint discontinued on F-150 Re: FTE 97up - lariat without leather FTE 97up - Re: truck steps FTE 97up - Re: spare tire FTE 97up - spare carrier cost FTE 97up - new throw Re: FTE 97up - spare carrier cost FTE 97up - Sythetic Oil RE: FTE 97up - spare carrier cost Re: FTE 97up - Sythetic Oil FTE 97up - Power Takeoff Provision Re: FTE 97up - new throw Re: FTE 97up - Re: Chassis Cab F350 vs Bed Delete F350 Re: FTE 97up - spare carrier cost Re: FTE 97up - Factory Rx-er Hitch FTE 97up - Lariat owner gifts. Re: FTE 97up - Sythetic Oil Re: FTE 97up - Sythetic Oil Re: FTE 97up - lariat without leather Re: FTE 97up - Sythetic Oil FTE 97up - My F250 PSD came w/o spare! Re: FTE 97up - Sythetic Oil Re: FTE 97up - Lariat owner gifts. Re: FTE 97up - Lariat owner gifts. FTE 97up - my truck arrived today Re: FTE 97up - Sythetic Oil Re: FTE 97up - my truck arrived today Re: FTE 97up - first short road trip RE: FTE 97up - first short road trip Re: FTE 97up - Sythetic Oil FTE 97up - SNUGTOP Does not fit FTE 97up - Info from Expedition Mailing List FTE 97up - ADMIN: New web BBS FTE 97up - Ford Headlight adjusting tool Re: FTE 97up - Info from Expedition Mailing List FTE 97up - Weight distributing hitch on F-250 SD 4x4? Re: FTE 97up - Weight distributing hitch on F-250 SD 4x4? ======================================================================= ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 23:41:06 -0700 From: "Kurt Musgrave" Subject: FTE 97up - Front Axle Wear I have an 84 F250 6.9 4x4 with 180,000 miles on it. I would say roughly half of that has been with the hubs locked in and 20% of that in four wheel drive. It still has the original u-joints and the original slip-joint. I have repacked the wheel bearings several times and changed diff oil a couple times but no other repair on front axle parts. Kurt. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 02:59:18 -0500 From: Bill Sullivan Subject: FTE 97up - My New Truck Hey, I just subscribed to the list. I had an 88 Dodge Dakota for about 4 years now and decided it was time to go broke. I looked around at all the ford dealerships and finally, did not see the options I wanted in the Truck I was looking for. I wanted a 99 F-150, so I ordered one. Here's what I ordered: 1999 F-150 FlareSide SuperCab 4X4 XLT (Teal cc metalic coat) 139" Wheelbase Options: AC (Air Conditioner) 5.4liter V8 Limited Slip Rear Automatic 4Speed OD Trans (Only trans available with 5.4 liter engine option) 4WD stick (Non shift on the fy) floor shift Captain's Chairs (Med Graphite) Cab Steps 4-wheel ABS Remote Entry LT245 OWL All Terrain Tires I could use all the info I could get on the truck. It was ordered a week ago, so basically I'm doing some research on it, finding out how they handle and what not. If anyone has a 99 really similar to this and has some specs for it, that would help alot. I didn't get to test drive the 5.4 V8 which I ordered with this truck, but I know it has 260HP. Does anyone know about this engine/have it in their 99 F-150, or know how much power this engine actually has, and how well it performs off the line, up hills, towing, etc? Like I said any information you guys have would help alot. Thanks in advanced - -Bill (A very excited soon to be '99 F-150 owner) == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 06:04:31 -0500 From: Lee Haefele Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Shift points on V-10 > I have a V10 auto(4x4) with the 3.73 rear end and my trans shifts from > 1st to 2nd around 15-20 and from 2nd to 3rd around 30-35mph. Is this > normal? I would expect the trans to go into 3rd around 25 or so. This improves greatly as the engine breaks in, it could take a while, mine has 3800 hard miles, still changes a little each week. Lee Haefele == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 06:21:00 -0500 From: Lee Haefele Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Chassis Cab F350 vs Bed Delete F350 > > I picked up a glossy sales brochure at the Ford house, > and they had a picture of a F350 Chassis Cab truck and it > pointed out that it had straight frame rails for mounting > a box. You can also buy a "regular" F350 and choose the > "bed delete" option. So in either case, you get an F350 > with no bed. > > My question is, what are the differences between these > two trucks? I have a 99 F-350 DRW chassis cab, would not buy a "box removal option" for heavy use. The chassis cab has a much larger frame & springs. I do not understand how the pickup DRW model gets 11,200 GVW, it's a joke next to the other, or next to an earlier year F-350 DRW. I was going to buy a Chevy (yuk), when all I could find to look at was pickups. The body company agreed. What changed my mind was all the info in the "Ford Bodybuilders Guide". Go borrow your dealer's or body company"s copy, it has all the dimensions, including frame size. Check various brands of bodys, frame to bed hgt varies. Lee Haefele == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 08:18:17 -0500 From: Jean Marc Chartier Subject: Re: FTE 97up - My New Truck Bill Sullivan wrote: > > Hey, > > I just subscribed to the list. I had an 88 Dodge Dakota for about 4 > years now and decided it was time to go broke. I looked around at all > the ford dealerships and finally, did not see the options I wanted in > the Truck I was looking for. I wanted a 99 F-150, so I ordered one. > Here's what I ordered: > > 1999 F-150 FlareSide SuperCab 4X4 XLT (Teal cc metalic coat) 139" > Wheelbase > Options: > AC (Air Conditioner) > 5.4liter V8 > Limited Slip Rear > Automatic 4Speed OD Trans (Only trans available with 5.4 liter engine > option) > 4WD stick (Non shift on the fy) floor shift > Captain's Chairs (Med Graphite) > Cab Steps > 4-wheel ABS > Remote Entry > LT245 OWL All Terrain Tires > > I could use all the info I could get on the truck. It was ordered a > week ago, so basically I'm doing some research on it, finding out how > they handle and what not. If anyone has a 99 really similar to this and > has some specs for it, that would help alot. I didn't get to test drive > the 5.4 V8 which I ordered with this truck, but I know it has 260HP. > Does anyone know about this engine/have it in their 99 F-150, or know > how much power this engine actually has, and how well it performs off > the line, up hills, towing, etc? Like I said any information you guys > have would help alot. Thanks in advanced > > -Bill > (A very excited soon to be '99 F-150 owner) > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html Bill, Excellent choice.. I have a 97 F150 XLT 4x4. Judging by your tire size you will have the 3.55 rear end. This should give you descent gas mileage. You will find that the truck is fast compared to the 97-98 version. I find mine 4.6L 5 spd a very capable truck. Regards Jean Marc Chartier == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 05:45:44 -0800 From: "Godfrey, Jeff {U548~Palo Alto}" Subject: FTE 97up - Lariats without Leather (No, that's not the name of a band!) You can indeed get a '99 F250 SuperDuty Lariat without leather. My sister owns one and I have driven it so I've seen it with my own eyes. She got lucky and actually got it off the lot. It is a '99 F250 SuperDuty Crew Cab SRW 4x4 V10 short bed Lariat model with cloth seats. It is exactly as you describe -- Oxford white with tan cloth bench seats. The dealer told her that the guy who ordered it ended up not taking delivery for some reason so she lucked out and got it off the lot. Jeff G. - ------------------------------ >Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 17:44:14 -0700 >From: "Bruce McLeod" >Subject: FTE 97up - lariat without leather >For those who want a lariat without leather, it is seemingly possible (at >least in Canada). You get a $495 credit from the regular lariat. >I do not know which of these codes is the important one, but here is a list >of the ones you need to bring you an f 350 4x4 supercab, >oxford white truck with tan cloth bench seats in lariat trim >X31, z1, 3, x, 918a (this is the order on my vehicle order confirmation) >I think the 3 and the x bring you the cloth bench, judging by the words next >to these numbers. >Bruce == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 09:51:32 -0500 From: Scot Evanson Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Chassis Cab F350 vs Bed Delete F350 This guide is available online..somewhere...now what was that URL?.... SAE Lee Haefele wrote: > > > > I picked up a glossy sales brochure at the Ford house, > > and they had a picture of a F350 Chassis Cab truck and it > > pointed out that it had straight frame rails for mounting > > a box. You can also buy a "regular" F350 and choose the > > "bed delete" option. So in either case, you get an F350 > > with no bed. > > > > My question is, what are the differences between these > > two trucks? > I have a 99 F-350 DRW chassis cab, would not buy a "box removal option" > for heavy use. > The chassis cab has a much larger frame & springs. I do not understand > how the pickup DRW model gets 11,200 GVW, it's a joke next to the other, > or next to an earlier year F-350 DRW. I was going to buy a Chevy (yuk), > when all I could find to look at was pickups. The body company agreed. > What changed my mind was all the info in the "Ford Bodybuilders Guide". > Go borrow your dealer's or body company"s copy, it has all the > dimensions, including frame size. Check various brands of bodys, frame > to bed hgt varies. > Lee Haefele > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 08:50:35 -0600 From: "Charles Abraham" Subject: Re: FTE 97up - took delivery and i need a step ladder! That's one of the reasons I went with the Lariat package, a no brain'er; many "basics" like a step were standard. But initially, I did miss the rear bumper option. However my dealer was smart enough to ask before placing the order. After that, we sat down one more time and reviewed the whole order - making sure I hadn't left anything out. Even so, I still have made two changes (V8 to V10 and 3.73 to 3.73 LS) since I placed that original order. What I'm going to need too is a short step just before the rear wheel well, for accessing a tool box. Anyone have suggestions? I also understand that it's not good to have one contiguous step between the bed and the cab, because both sections flex independently. Does this hold true for the Super Duty? Charles. RSnovi aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 98-11-12 23:44:31 EST, you write: > > > One more, if you got the 4x4 don't even think about not getting some type of > step. > I'm a young tall man, I can get in no problem, anyone else, and its a little > more > difficult. The first time my wife got out of my truck, before I put on > Smittybilts, and she had a fear of falling, as her feet kept going down, and > she > still couldn't find the ground. The factory steps are pretty solid, but > depending > on your tastes, you can save money and get after market. > >> > > I feel you pain, i just took delivery on F 250 SD 4x4 PS SC today!, i am going > to be very interested in some type of steps here shortly, cause its up there. > Anyone got any suggestions before i start looking, i saw in the brochure that > FORD has some tubular ones that look decent. > > Ross S. > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 07:53:29 -0600 From: "Union Auto" Subject: FTE 97up - Teal paint discontinued on F-150 Teal clearcoat (RD) will be discontinued on F-150's due to lack of demand. All orders must be scheduled by Nov 27th and built by Dec 24th to receive this color. Nathan Bernard Union Auto, Inc. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 09:39:41 -0600 From: "Union Auto" Subject: Re: FTE 97up - lariat without leather I tried putting this into the computer and it would take the order so I'd say for the U.S. you need leather to get a Lariat. Nathan Bernard Union Auto, Inc. Union, IA 50258 - -----Original Message----- From: Bruce McLeod To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com Date: Thursday, November 12, 1998 6:55 PM Subject: FTE 97up - lariat without leather >For those who want a lariat without leather, it is seemingly possible (at >least in Canada). You get a $495 credit from the regular lariat. >I do not know which of these codes is the important one, but here is a list >of the ones you need to bring you an f 350 4x4 supercab, >oxford white truck with tan cloth bench seats in lariat trim >X31, z1, 3, x, 918a (this is the order on my vehicle order confirmation) >I think the 3 and the x bring you the cloth bench, judging by the words next >to these numbers. > >Bruce == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 08:20:15 -0800 From: "Harald" Subject: FTE 97up - Re: truck steps If anyone is interested, I purchased a special order set of Dee Zee black anodized aluminum Backroad nerf bars for my 99 Super Duty. They bolt right on like factory steps. I didn't want to put steps on, but the wife and 5 year old son insisted on steps. Problem is, I don't care for the look. So if anyone wants to buy them, I'll sell for $250. They were $366 new and they're in like new condition. I live in Seattle, WA or might be able to COD to somewhere else. Harald Stenger "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -Ben Franklin == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 08:20:18 -0800 From: "Harald" Subject: FTE 97up - Re: spare tire I didn't order a spare tire assy either. The dealer was nice enough to order the parts for me at dealer cost - it can't to ask your dealer to do this. I can't remember the exact cost, but the wheel was like $80 and the carrier parts were about $70. The tire has to be purchased locally. I went to Firestone and bought the factory Steeltex tire for about $150 mounted and balanced. I ended up paying about the same as if I had ordered the option in the first place. Harald Stenger "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -Ben Franklin == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 10:25:46 -0600 From: Janster Subject: FTE 97up - spare carrier cost Hi Folks, I paid around $168 for the carrier and spare wheel (at work right now, don't have the receipt.) Funny, but the dealer told me they don't deal with the spare tires. I didn't quite understand what he meant as I did see spare tires installed on other new Superduty's. Anybody have thoughts or insights into this? I didn't want to question him too much as I didn't feel very smart ordering a Superduty without a spare tire (wife also gave me grief!) Installation of the carrier is very easy - tighten two nuts and install two bolts. Judging from other posts, the spare tire option isn't too well understood. Janster == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 10:42:52 -0600 From: Janster Subject: FTE 97up - new throw Hi folks, I forgot to mention this in an ealier post - I also received my new blanket from Ford. Its a nice throw with a "Ford, 50 years of service" emblazoned on it. Really nice! Janster == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 11:02:33 -0600 From: "Charles Abraham" Subject: Re: FTE 97up - spare carrier cost I think your right. You would think that for such basic driving essentials as a rear bumper and spare tire, that Ford would take some extra measures to inform customers that these items are not "standard". My dealer from experience asks buyers if they're sure they really don't want a bumper or spare. Charles. Janster wrote: > the > spare tire option isn't too well understood. > > Janster > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 11:18:36 -0600 From: ywozniak kiwi.dep.anl.gov (Todd Wozniak) Subject: FTE 97up - Sythetic Oil A friend of mine sent me some information on a synthetic oil. He runs it in his Ram pickup and has a two filter oil system. With this oil and this filter setup he chages his oil once a year or 25000 miles. To me this sounds insane. I change every 2500-3000. Has anybody else heard of a process such as this? Is it safe or is this a gimmick? Thanks Todd Wozniak == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 12:34:30 -0500 From: "Suarez, William" Subject: RE: FTE 97up - spare carrier cost Not to stir up the pot too much but the specifications listing clearly shows the spare tire and rear bumper as "optional" equipment, regardless of which PEP is ordered. This is not an uncommon practice for vehicles in this class as so many of them are for fleet use. I remember when I bought my first Ford E-150, some twenty odd years ago (ouch!), that even the passenger side front seat was an option. Bill Suarez - -----Original Message----- From: Charles Abraham [mailto:abrahamc agcs.com] Sent: Friday, November 13, 1998 12:03 PM To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com Subject: Re: FTE 97up - spare carrier cost I think your right. You would think that for such basic driving essentials as a rear bumper and spare tire, that Ford would take some extra measures to inform customers that these items are not "standard". My dealer from experience asks buyers if they're sure they really don't want a bumper or spare. Charles. Janster wrote: > the > spare tire option isn't too well understood. > > Janster > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 11:36:53 -0600 (CST) From: dfloyd fnord.com Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Sythetic Oil > > A friend of mine sent me some information on a synthetic oil. He runs it > in his Ram pickup and has a two filter oil system. With this oil and this > filter setup he chages his oil once a year or 25000 miles. To me this > sounds insane. I change every 2500-3000. Has anybody else heard of a > process such as this? Is it safe or is this a gimmick? What I did was for the first oil change, was use regular motor oil, then after 7000 miles, change to synthetic. This allowed the engine to break in. I have heard that synthetic lets you go longer periods between oil changes, but I really am wary of 20,000 miles. I have heard 5000-7000 miles, but I just don't want to take that gamble with my truck's engine. Gain: $30 in oil. Possible loss: The engine. It does sound insane, but I have not heard any facts either way. > > Thanks > > Todd Wozniak > > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 12:53:10 -0500 From: "Keith Veren" Subject: FTE 97up - Power Takeoff Provision Can anyone please post a simple explanation of the power takeoff provision, eg., 1. how it works (especially on the V-10 which does not have an auxiliary idle feature) 2. What aftermarket equipment is required 3. who sells the aftermarket units required 4. typical uses 5. costs, problems associated with then, any other relevant information Thank you very much. Keith [on 09/26/98 ordered F-350 SuperDuty / XLT / LongBed / SuperCab / V-10 / 3.73LS / 4X4 / PTO / Snowplow / Off-Road / Tow Package / All the other goodies: still waiting] == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 13:12:15 -0500 From: Glenn Lepore Subject: Re: FTE 97up - new throw At 10:42 AM 11/13/98 -0600, you wrote: >Hi folks, > >I forgot to mention this in an ealier post - I also received my new >blanket from Ford. Its a nice throw with a "Ford, 50 years of service" >emblazoned on it. Really nice! Interesting. I received a window sticker, and patch, but no blanket. How does one qualify for one of these? Glenn - --------------------------------------------------------- Glenn Lepore lepore nicheneworks.com Senior Network Engineer Niche Networks L.L.C. '89 Mustang GT (His.....) '98 F-150 Ext. cab 4X4 XLT (Hers.... for now) "Be sure brain is engaged before putting mouth in gear" - --------------------------------------------------------- == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 10:11:00 -0800 From: johny Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Chassis Cab F350 vs Bed Delete F350 That would be: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.meadowlandford.com/bodybild.htm Scot Evanson wrote: > This guide is available online..somewhere...now what was that URL?.... > SAE > > Lee Haefele wrote: > > > > > > > I picked up a glossy sales brochure at the Ford house, > > > and they had a picture of a F350 Chassis Cab truck and it > > > pointed out that it had straight frame rails for mounting > > > a box. You can also buy a "regular" F350 and choose the > > > "bed delete" option. So in either case, you get an F350 > > > with no bed. > > > > > > My question is, what are the differences between these > > > two trucks? > > I have a 99 F-350 DRW chassis cab, would not buy a "box removal option" > > for heavy use. > > The chassis cab has a much larger frame & springs. I do not understand > > how the pickup DRW model gets 11,200 GVW, it's a joke next to the other, > > or next to an earlier year F-350 DRW. I was going to buy a Chevy (yuk), > > when all I could find to look at was pickups. The body company agreed. > > What changed my mind was all the info in the "Ford Bodybuilders Guide". > > Go borrow your dealer's or body company"s copy, it has all the > > dimensions, including frame size. Check various brands of bodys, frame > > to bed hgt varies. > > Lee Haefele > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 12:43:49 -0600 From: "Charles Abraham" Subject: Re: FTE 97up - spare carrier cost Your right, I'm not saying Ford is hiding anything. But I don't think their brochures are all that forth right about it. Many of us took these "options" for granted. We tended to gloss over them as mere costly upgrades that replace already existing (standard) equipment. Fortunately, my dealer caught my mistake - - but others weren't so lucky. Charles. Suarez, William wrote: > Not to stir up the pot too much but the specifications listing clearly shows > the spare tire and rear bumper as "optional" equipment, regardless of which > PEP is ordered. > > This is not an uncommon practice for vehicles in this class as so many of > them are for fleet use. > > I remember when I bought my first Ford E-150, some twenty odd years ago > (ouch!), that even the passenger side front seat was an option. > > Bill Suarez > > -----Original Message----- > From: Charles Abraham [mailto:abrahamc agcs.com] > Sent: Friday, November 13, 1998 12:03 PM > To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com > Subject: Re: FTE 97up - spare carrier cost > > I think your right. You would think that for such basic driving essentials > as a rear bumper and spare tire, that Ford would take some extra measures to > inform customers that these items are not "standard". My dealer from > experience asks buyers if they're sure they really don't want a bumper or > spare. > > Charles. > > Janster wrote: > > > the > > spare tire option isn't too well understood. > > > > Janster > > > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 14:38:02 -0500 From: Dick_Dorff baynetworks.com (Dick Dorff) Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Factory Rx-er Hitch Thanks for the input in factory receiver hitches for our ordered SD F250. After receiving some "it's good" reports, and no "avoid it" reports, I called the dealer to have it added. For what it's worth, he said that Valley is the brand of hitch put on by the factory, and that he has the same hitch put on by Da'Lan (locally in Shirley, MA) when customers ask him to have a hitch installed. Costs around $200 then, vs. $128 (invoice) if ordered with truck from factory. It's as inexpensive as anything else I've seen aftermarket, and includes installation. Although I didn't get the weight ratings, since it's a Class IV, it should be good enough for any occasional uses we come across. I'll ask for the weight ratings next time I'm in contact with the dealer though. Dick. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 13:32:38 -0600 From: "Union Auto" Subject: FTE 97up - Lariat owner gifts. I was wondering if people that have purchased Lariat Super Duties have received any gifts. In the past with the high end of a model line (Eddie Bauer, Limited, Lariat, etc..) they have sent out a gift. In the past its been directors chars, duffel bags and blankets. Has anyone with a super duty gotten anything? As a dealer they don't tell us what they send out so the only way we now is if a customer tells us. Nathan Bernard Union Auto, Inc. Union, IA 50258 == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 13:27:55 -0600 From: "Union Auto" Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Sythetic Oil This isn't insane its just plain STUPID. If you ask the synthetic oil manufacturers they'll tell you to run the same amount of miles with synthetic as mineral oil. The difference is that the synthetic provides better protection at startup and in extreme heat situations. It is an old myth that you can go long distances between changes on synthetic, but it isn't true and if you ask Mobil (or just about any other synthetic manufacturer) you'll be told to change on a normal basis. I do recommend running synthetic (after 10,000 miles) and I run Mobil 1 in all my vehicles. The main reason I run it is that in the winter it is very noticeable how much quicker the engine gets oil pressure. Nathan Bernard Union Auto, Inc. Union, IA 50258 - -----Original Message----- From: Todd Wozniak To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com Date: Friday, November 13, 1998 11:27 AM Subject: FTE 97up - Sythetic Oil >A friend of mine sent me some information on a synthetic oil. He runs it >in his Ram pickup and has a two filter oil system. With this oil and this >filter setup he chages his oil once a year or 25000 miles. To me this >sounds insane. I change every 2500-3000. Has anybody else heard of a >process such as this? Is it safe or is this a gimmick? > >Thanks > >Todd Wozniak == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 16:31:53 EST From: LUBER1 aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Sythetic Oil there are synthetics out there that will hold together as long as they stay clean. change filter every 5000 highway duty every 3000 severe duty. you shouldn't have any problems. change oil every 20000. mike derks (lubecon systems) == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 16:43:06 -0500 From: Jean Marc Chartier Subject: Re: FTE 97up - lariat without leather Union Auto wrote: > > I tried putting this into the computer and it would take the order so I'd > say for the U.S. you need leather to get a Lariat. > > Nathan Bernard > Union Auto, Inc. > Union, IA 50258 > > Nathan, I would agree, it is a "Canadian" thing along with block heaters as a standard. A leather seat is awful cold in the winter. Regards Jean Marc Chartier Windsor, Ontario, Canada == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 16:47:37 -0500 From: Jean Marc Chartier Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Sythetic Oil Todd Wozniak wrote: > > A friend of mine sent me some information on a synthetic oil. He runs it > in his Ram pickup and has a two filter oil system. With this oil and this > filter setup he chages his oil once a year or 25000 miles. To me this > sounds insane. I change every 2500-3000. Has anybody else heard of a > process such as this? Is it safe or is this a gimmick? > > Thanks > > Todd Wozniak > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html Todd, It sounds like a system that uses toilet paper as a filter element. Did he mention that you have to monitor the oil's condition to be sure it is not contaminated? I can not remember where I saw it but they have used it on big truck engines with success. Regards Jean Marc Chartier == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 14:02:41 PST From: "Jeigh Cee" Subject: FTE 97up - My F250 PSD came w/o spare! When I got my F250 PSD home and found that it didn't have a spare tire, I thought perhaps the make-ready crew had just failed to install it. I was very surprised to find that a spare was an option with this truck! I spoke to the sales manager at the dealership where I purchased the truck, and explained that neither I nor the salesman was aware that the truck did not come with a spare. As a result of that chat, the dealership agreed to buy the rim and hoist, but I had to buy a tire. The service center where I get all of my vehicles serviced found a like-new, used tire for me. Mounting the hoist was easy enough. Jeigh ______________________________________________________ == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 14:05:19 -0800 From: "Alan Wilson" Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Sythetic Oil LUBER1 aol.com wrote: > there are synthetics out there that will hold together as long as they stay > clean. change filter every 5000 highway duty every 3000 severe duty. you > shouldn't have any problems. change oil every 20000. > mike derks (lubecon systems) ...and change TRUCK every 85,000 miles, right? == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 15:43:00 PST From: "Brian Holmgren" Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Lariat owner gifts. I haven't seen any gifts, but I love the truck! >From owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com Fri Nov 13 11:51:26 1998 >Received: (fordtruc localhost) by ford-trucks.com (8.8.5) id OAA27599; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 14:35:39 -0500 (EST) >Received: from adiis.net (mailhost2.adiis.net [207.177.36.4]) by ford-trucks.com (8.8.5) id OAA27520; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 14:35:31 -0500 (EST) >X-Authentication-Warning: ford-trucks.com: Host mailhost2.adiis.net [207.177.36.4] claimed to be adiis.net >Received: from default (207.177.36.153) by adiis.net with SMTP (Eudora Internet > Mail Server 2.2); Fri, 13 Nov 1998 13:43:06 -0600 >Message-ID: >From: "Union Auto" >To: "Ford Truck Enthusiast" >Subject: FTE 97up - Lariat owner gifts. >Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 13:32:38 -0600 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >X-Priority: 3 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 >Sender: owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com >Precedence: bulk >Reply-To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com > >I was wondering if people that have purchased Lariat Super Duties have >received any gifts. In the past with the high end of a model line (Eddie >Bauer, Limited, Lariat, etc..) they have sent out a gift. In the past its >been directors chars, duffel bags and blankets. Has anyone with a super >duty gotten anything? As a dealer they don't tell us what they send out so >the only way we now is if a customer tells us. > >Nathan Bernard >Union Auto, Inc. >Union, IA 50258 > > >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > ______________________________________________________ == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 15:44:11 PST From: "Brian Holmgren" Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Lariat owner gifts. I haven't seen any gifts, but I love the truck! >From owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com Fri Nov 13 11:51:26 1998 >Received: (fordtruc localhost) by ford-trucks.com (8.8.5) id OAA27599; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 14:35:39 -0500 (EST) >Received: from adiis.net (mailhost2.adiis.net [207.177.36.4]) by ford-trucks.com (8.8.5) id OAA27520; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 14:35:31 -0500 (EST) >X-Authentication-Warning: ford-trucks.com: Host mailhost2.adiis.net [207.177.36.4] claimed to be adiis.net >Received: from default (207.177.36.153) by adiis.net with SMTP (Eudora Internet > Mail Server 2.2); Fri, 13 Nov 1998 13:43:06 -0600 >Message-ID: >From: "Union Auto" >To: "Ford Truck Enthusiast" >Subject: FTE 97up - Lariat owner gifts. >Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 13:32:38 -0600 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >X-Priority: 3 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 >Sender: owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com >Precedence: bulk >Reply-To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com > >I was wondering if people that have purchased Lariat Super Duties have >received any gifts. In the past with the high end of a model line (Eddie >Bauer, Limited, Lariat, etc..) they have sent out a gift. In the past its >been directors chars, duffel bags and blankets. Has anyone with a super >duty gotten anything? As a dealer they don't tell us what they send out so >the only way we now is if a customer tells us. > >Nathan Bernard >Union Auto, Inc. >Union, IA 50258 > > >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > ______________________________________________________ == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 16:01:18 PST From: "Jordan Rautiola" Subject: FTE 97up - my truck arrived today My '99 F150 4x4 supercab longbed arrived today, after approximately a six week wait. 5.4L dark t red. Just thought I'd pass this along. An ARE (CH) cap, rubber bed mat, and 285/75-16 Dunlop Radial Rover A/Ts will go on within a week, with side window tinting a week later. Step bars, window and hood deflectors and light covers to follow over the next few months. This is my first "new" vehicle in over 12 years. The fact that it's an awesome Ford, combined with getting the A-plan price (my brother works in Mustang planning), makes me just a little bit excited. I'll take delivery Monday. You'll be hearing more from me in coming months as I get used to the beast. FORD TRUCKS RULE!! Jordan Rautiola Hersey, Michigan ______________________________________________________ == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 17:03:18 -0800 From: Ken Peterson Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Sythetic Oil >there are synthetics out there that will hold together as long as they stay >clean. change filter every 5000 highway duty every 3000 severe duty. you >shouldn't have any problems. change oil every 20000. But this implies that "clean" means no particulates, and there's more to "clean" than that, namely no soluble contaminants, either, nor any oil breakdown. Petro oils have components that don't survive indefinitely, and all oils accumulate soluble contaminants not trapped by any filter. Since good synthetics, such as Red Line, are made from pure lubricating components that have great properties, and more volatile and fragile components can be left out, synthetics will last longer for the same protection -- but fer chrissake not 20,000 miles! Not even Red Line recommends that! But you can go a bit longer without risk. Example: On my F-250, instead of 5000 miles, maybe I'll go 6-8000. On my Subaru, I still think the recommended 7500 is too long, and I prefer to not exceed it even with synthetic. The use of synthetic is good insurance against excess wear at each startup and all through the life of the engine. Example: Many synthetics have an affinity for hot metal surfaces and will wet them completely; petro oils tend to bead up and try *not* to wet hot metal. Big difference in, say, piston-bottom cooling. - --------------- Ken Peterson, Portland, OR 1998 F-250LD Lariat, extended cab, short bed, 4X2, 5.4l, class-3 tow options LT245X16/steel rims, 4W disks + ABS, load-leveling rear suspension. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 20:28:30 -0500 From: "William J. Suarez" Subject: Re: FTE 97up - my truck arrived today Drive it in good health Jordon. I've had my F150 SC 4x4 for a couple of years now and couldn't be happier with it. I've got a SD 250 on order because I need more towing capacity (going with the 7.3L PS). Enjoy. Bill Suarez - ------------------------------------------------ - ---------- >From: "Jordan Rautiola" >To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com >Subject: FTE 97up - my truck arrived today >Date: Fri, Nov 13, 1998, 7:01 PM > >My '99 F150 4x4 supercab longbed arrived today, after approximately a >six week wait. 5.4L dark t red. Just thought I'd pass this along. An >ARE (CH) cap, rubber bed mat, and 285/75-16 Dunlop Radial Rover A/Ts >will go on within a week, with side window tinting a week later. Step >bars, window and hood deflectors and light covers to follow over the >next few months. This is my first "new" vehicle in over 12 years. The >fact that it's an awesome Ford, combined with getting the A-plan price >(my brother works in Mustang planning), makes me just a little bit >excited. I'll take delivery Monday. You'll be hearing more from me in >coming months as I get used to the beast. FORD TRUCKS RULE!! > >Jordan Rautiola >Hersey, Michigan > >______________________________________________________ > >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 22:14:14 EST From: RSnovi aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 97up - first short road trip well i am very impressed how my 99' F250 SD PS SC 4x4 did today, i had a 4 hour jaunt today, (no load, only 500 miles on the clock) I can say a few things i have not seen one person that doesnt like it or its not impressed with it. I got many looks, and did some looking my self from my new found height. Filled up my first time, whats the deal with this new style ford cap? it took me a few trys but i figured it out. I like the way the diesel hole is angled too for no splash back, its about time! This is mine personally first diesel , anyone got any suggestions on where to buy out on the road? Ross S. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 23:10:50 -0600 From: scott anderson Subject: RE: FTE 97up - first short road trip >===== Original Message From 97up-list ford-trucks.com ===== >well i am very impressed how my 99' F250 SD PS SC 4x4 did today, i had a 4 >hour jaunt today, (no load, only 500 miles on the clock) I can say a few >things i have not seen one person that doesnt like it or its not impressed >with it. I got many looks, and did some looking my self from my new found >height. >Filled up my first time, whats the deal with this new style ford cap? it took >me a few trys but i figured it out. > I like the way the diesel hole is angled too for no splash back, its about >time! This is mine personally first diesel , anyone got any suggestions on >where to buy out on the road? > >Ross S. >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html Quick Trip has great diesel. Make sure not to hold the trigger all the way down at the pump though, because they are big nozzles for semis and they will overflow if your not careful. The pickup will not allow the gas to go in as quick as a semi, so it overflows. Quick Trip does have great diesel though. Does anyone have any Powerstroke vs. Cummins stories that they would like to share? Anything at all? THANKS! Scott Anderson == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 06:33:02 EST From: LUBER1 aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Sythetic Oil In a message dated 11/13/98 5:17:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, awilson wilshire.com writes: > there are synthetics out there that will hold together as long as they stay > clean. change filter every 5000 highway duty every 3000 severe duty. you > shouldn't have any problems. change oil every 20000. > mike derks (lubecon systems) ...and change TRUCK every 85,000 miles, right? >> have ran synthetics in last (3) f150's. the previous (2) both went over 200,000, the latest one is a 98 w/triton. my experience shows no problem. if you are uncomfortable with the thought of extended oil changes, then by all means change it as frequently as you are comfortable with. mike-lubecon == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 07:52:49 -0800 From: "Michael D. Sheridan" Subject: FTE 97up - SNUGTOP Does not fit Folks: Just a mention. Ordered and received a SNUGTOP Cab Hi through a local company for my 1999 Mazda Regular Cab short bed. I was told that it would be made to fit my truck perfectly without exception. Nothing could be more contrary. It neither fits at the front of the bed by the rear window of the truck nor does it fit the bed rails and I ordered the top of the line. After it was installed and I inspected it I refused it, of course. I have a picture of what NOT to get on a 1999 Mazda like mine If you wish to email me mailto:marble psnw.com Michael == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 11:57:45 -0500 From: "Keith Veren" Subject: FTE 97up - Info from Expedition Mailing List Hi everyone, [Note: by the way, can anybody answer my questions about the power-take-off provision I recently posted???] I thought people on this list might want to read this posting from the Expedition mailing list: Keith John McNicholas wrote: Interesting info. I am fascinated how Ford can organizationally manage everything to ensure it all comes together at the right time. A few questions: 1. You mentioned you were Ford employee. Do you work on the Expeditions ? What is is that you do ? 2. Is there a way to 'translate' the last 6 digits of the serial # to an assembly date and shift ? 3. Has anyone on the list asked if you can arrange a 'group' tour for us at the plant (GM's Saturn does it for owners.....) ? If this one has not been asked before, then I am formally requesting it !! 8-) Thanks. 1) I am a Ford employee at Kentucky Truck Plant. See info below about KTP and MTP . As you can see I don't work at the Expedition plant. I am an owner and fan just like most others on this list. I am an Electrician by trade but my primary job at present is Technical Training Coordinator for the body area.. I help develop and deliver training classes for Skilled Trades Workers in Robotics operation, programming and trouble shooting and do the same for Programmable Controllers and other equipment. My area of knowledge is more with automated production equipment than with the product although the two do overlap in some respects. 2) All I know about the last 6 of VIN is that it is a sequential build number. 3) If you are ever in Louisville Kentucky, Plant tours are available at the Kentucky Truck Plant. In addition to the Super Duty series we will also be building the Excursion for the 2000 model year and a metal stamping facility is under construction. We currently have orders for over 100,000 Super Duty Trucks. The Louisville Assembly Plant is across town where Explorers and Rangers are assembled. We like to call Louisville the Truck Capitol of the World. At over 4 million square feet KTP as a large facility by any standards… If you plan a tour be prepared for a long walk. (no you don't have to cover all 4 million feet) Email me at bigbluexpe aol.com and I will give you a name and phone # to contact for plant tours. I am not sure but I suspect tours are available at MTP as well. KTP and MTP were both built in the 60s but have been modernized within the last few years. A "new plant at an old address" describes the extent of upgrade. The name I give you can probably help arrange a MTP tour or at least give a contact name. As you mentioned it is amazing to see the number of parts and people that must be coordinated in a modern assembly plant. Kentucky Truck Assembly -- Louisville, Kentucky (USA) Hourly: 4,258 Salary: 309 Products: Ford Super Duty F-Series, F-250, F-350, F-450 and F-550 trucks Year Opened: 1969 Plant Size (sq. ft.): 4,330,460 1997 Production (# units): 275,403 Michigan Truck Assembly -- Wayne, Michigan (USA) Hourly: 3,860 Salary: 265 Products: Ford Expedition and Lincoln Navigator Year Opened: 1964 Plant Size (sq. ft.): 2,866,000 1997 Production (# units): 343,103 Gregg Fitzgerald ____________________________________________ To unsubscribe send an email to majordomo intellisys.net with the message "unsubscribe expedition" or "unsubscribe expedition-digest" Contact vic san.rr.com if you have problems List homepage: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.Xpedition.net == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 11:59:03 -0500 From: Ken Payne Subject: FTE 97up - ADMIN: New web BBS Ford Truck Enthusiasts has added an additional service. We now have a web based BBS message center. Check it out! Ken Payne CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts http://www.ford-trucks.com == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 12:28:07 -0500 From: Jean Marc Chartier Subject: FTE 97up - Ford Headlight adjusting tool All, There was a discussion on how to adjust the headlights on the Pickups. Well I bought the tool at my local UAP/NAPA store. It is made by UltraPro. Part # 62140. It cost me $27.00 CDN or $17.00 US. What it is, is a 4mm ratchet head on a 12 inch handle. All you do is slip it over the adjuster and ratchet away. Regards Jean Marc Chartier == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 14:24:01 -0500 From: wvernon Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Info from Expedition Mailing List Wow, an actual KTP employee. I work for Ford too, Gregg. Actually a Visteon designer. So can you tell me if waiting six months and still no vin number for an f250 super duty diesel lariot crew cab is typical? Ordered mine May 15th. Thanks for any info you can provide. Keith Veren wrote: > > Hi everyone, > [Note: by the way, can anybody answer my questions about the power-take-off > provision I recently posted???] > > I thought people on this list might want to read this posting from the > Expedition mailing list: > > Keith > > John McNicholas wrote: > Interesting info. I am fascinated how Ford can organizationally manage > everything to ensure it all comes together at the right time. A few > questions: > > 1. You mentioned you were Ford employee. Do you work on the Expeditions ? > What > is is that you do ? 2. Is there a way to 'translate' the last 6 digits of > the > serial # to an > assembly date and shift ? 3. Has anyone on the list asked if you can arrange > a > 'group' tour for us at the plant (GM's Saturn does it for owners.....) ? If > this one has not been > asked before, then I am formally requesting it !! 8-) > > Thanks. > > 1) I am a Ford employee at Kentucky Truck Plant. See info below about KTP > and > MTP . As you can see I don't work at the Expedition plant. I am an owner > and > fan just like most others on this list. I am an Electrician by trade but > my > primary job at present is Technical Training Coordinator for the body area.. > I > help develop and deliver training classes for Skilled Trades Workers in > Robotics operation, programming and trouble shooting and do the same for > Programmable Controllers and other equipment. My area of knowledge is more > with automated production equipment than with the product although the two > do > overlap in some respects. > > 2) All I know about the last 6 of VIN is that it is a sequential build > number. > > 3) If you are ever in Louisville Kentucky, Plant tours are available at > the > Kentucky Truck Plant. In addition to the Super Duty series we will also be > building the Excursion for the 2000 model year and a metal stamping facility > is under construction. We currently have orders for over 100,000 Super Duty > Trucks. The Louisville Assembly Plant is across town where Explorers and > Rangers are assembled. We like to call Louisville the Truck Capitol of the > World. At over 4 million square feet KTP as a large facility by any > standards… If you plan a tour be prepared for a long walk. (no you don't > have > to cover all 4 million feet) Email me at bigbluexpe aol.com and I will give > you a name and phone # to contact for plant tours. I am not sure but I > suspect tours are available at MTP as well. KTP and MTP were both built in > the 60s but have been modernized within the last few years. A "new plant at > an old address" describes the extent of upgrade. The name I give you can > probably help arrange a MTP tour or at least give a contact name. As you > mentioned it is amazing to see the number of parts and people that must be > coordinated in a modern assembly plant. > > Kentucky Truck Assembly -- > Louisville, Kentucky (USA) > Hourly: 4,258 > Salary: 309 > Products: Ford Super Duty F-Series, F-250, F-350, F-450 and F-550 trucks > Year Opened: 1969 > Plant Size (sq. ft.): 4,330,460 > 1997 Production (# units): 275,403 > > Michigan Truck Assembly -- > Wayne, Michigan (USA) > Hourly: 3,860 > Salary: 265 > Products: Ford Expedition and Lincoln Navigator > Year Opened: 1964 > Plant Size (sq. ft.): 2,866,000 > 1997 Production (# units): 343,103 > > Gregg Fitzgerald > > ____________________________________________ > To unsubscribe send an email to > majordomo intellisys.net with the message > "unsubscribe expedition" or "unsubscribe expedition-digest" > Contact vic san.rr.com if you have problems > List homepage: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.Xpedition.net > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 13:43:05 -0600 From: "Bud Feuless & Miki Magara" Subject: FTE 97up - Weight distributing hitch on F-250 SD 4x4? A major use for the F-250 SD 4x4 I will be ordering will be trailering boats (note the plural, that's important), which will weigh in at 9-10,000#. The trick here for me is that the trailer tongue will sit well below the bumper or receiver when level. Obviously I need to get the ball down somehow and obvious options include a drop bumper or a receiver hitch with a properly rated ball mount with a drop, like a Roto-Eze. But, one problem still remains. What if I need to use a weight-distributing hitch (sway bars)? A weight distributing hitch relies on a special ball mount that has slots under the ball for the sway bars which will then attach to the trailer and lever the back of the truck back up, distributing the load much more evenly between the front axle, rear axle, and trailer. It would not be needed for short hauls, especially if I get a class V hitch that will handle 10,000# of dead-weight. But, in highway or long-distance travel, where wind gusts from weather or passing trucks become an issue, a weight-distributing hitch becomes a tremendous asset. I have never seen such a hitch; however, that included a drop. The only possibilities I can think of would be to get the dead-weight hitch and just live without the weight-distributing gear (maybe with helper springs), which could be dangerous on long trips in wind. I could get a drop bumper and attach a receiver to it, which is an option from most manufacturer's like Fey, SmittyBilt and others. That would allow me to use the weight distributing hitch; however, the different boat trailers I tow have different tongue heights when level, so this would still pose a problem. If anyone else has seen different ways to attach a weight-distributing hitch to a vehicle that will also need a substantial drop, I'd appreciate your helpful thoughts. Thanks, Bud == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 15:10:31 EST From: RSnovi aol.com....To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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