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In this issue:

FTE 97up - 1999 FORD F250 SUPERDUTY/SUPERCAB 4X4 DIESEL-SELLING
FTE 97up - Factory Temp Gauge
Re: FTE 97up - Superduty Lariat VS. XLT
FTE 97up - http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pettitcompany.com/97f150/)
FTE 97up - Camper Package with Trailer Tow on F-250 SD?
Re: FTE 97up - 1999 FORD F250 SUPERDUTY/SUPERCAB 4X4 DIESEL-SELLING
Re: FTE 97up - Superduty Lariat VS. XLT
Re: FTE 97up - Picked up my F-350 today!
Re: FTE 97up - Superduty Lariat VS. XLT
Re: FTE 97up - Factory Temp Gauge
Re: FTE 97up - Superduty Lariat VS. XLT
FTE 97up - Speedo recalibration
Re: FTE 97up - Superduty Lariat VS. XLT
RE: FTE 97up - 3.73 LS vs 4.30 LS w/V-10 Engine
Re: FTE 97up - 3.73 LS vs 4.30 LS w/V-10 Engine
Re: FTE 97up - F-Series Super Duty SRW wheels
Re: FTE 97up - ESOF question
FTE 97up - 99 Ranger/Mazda B2500 dome light
FTE 97up - Re: V-10 & 4.30 gears
Re: FTE 97up - Factory Temp Gauge
Re: FTE 97up - Speedo recalibration
RE: FTE 97up - 3.73 LS vs 4.30 LS w/V-10 Engine
RE: FTE 97up - ESOF question
Re: FTE 97up - ESOF the Right Choice
Re: FTE 97up - F-Series Super Duty SRW wheels
Re: FTE 97up - Camper Package with Trailer Tow on F-250 SD?
Re: FTE 97up - Factory Temp Gauge
FTE 97up - Factory Rx-er Hitch
Re: FTE 97up - ESOF the Right Choice
FTE 97up - locking front hubs
FTE 97up - Tire Upgrade Option on Super Duty
Re: FTE 97up - Factory Temp Gauge
Re: FTE 97up - Factory Rx-er Hitch
FTE 97up - Re: 97up-list-digest
Re: FTE 97up - Factory Rx-er Hitch
Re: FTE 97up - Factory Rx-er Hitch
Re: FTE 97up - Factory Rx-er Hitch
Re: FTE 97up - Factory Rx-er Hitch
Re: FTE 97up - 3.73 LS vs 4.30 LS w/V-10 Engine
Re: FTE 97up - 3.73 LS vs 4.30 LS w/V-10 Engine
Re: FTE 97up - Factory Rx-er Hitch
Re: FTE 97up - Factory Rx-er Hitch
Re: FTE 97up - Factory Rx-er Hitch
Re: FTE 97up - Re: 97up-list-digest
Re: FTE 97up - 99 Ranger/Mazda B2500 dome light

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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 20:40:58 -0500
From: Michael
Subject: FTE 97up - 1999 FORD F250 SUPERDUTY/SUPERCAB 4X4 DIESEL-SELLING

Hello All,

I see from reading the many newsgroups that many FORD fans have a new
99 Superduty on order. I ordered mine in March and it was just
delivered 3 weeks ago. But, I have a problem, we never owned a Diesel
before and the fumes make my wife very ill.

Go figure....she has an allergic type reaction to the smell of the
burned Diesel that makes her feel sick to her stomach. However, no
one else in the family or neighbors for that matter, has any problem
with it.

So, I am forced to sell my Brand New Truck and revert back to a
gasoline engine 250 to keep peace in the family.

Anyway, it is a 1999 Ford 250 SuperDuty SuperCab 4X4 Lariat Pkg, 7.3
Turbo Powerstroke Diesel with only 165 miles on it. Some of the
options include Electronic 4 speed Automatic Transmission, 3.73 gearing
with limited slip, engine heater, Trailer Towing Package, Remote
Trailer Tow Mirrors, Electric 4X4 Shift on the Fly, Premium Aluminum
Wheels, Chrome Rear Step Bumper, Towing Receiver, Etc.

It is Prairie Tan Color Outside with Prairie Tan Leather interior
and was ordered for Towing a camper or 5th Wheel.

Further, before I ever picked it up, I had the tires changed to
Goodyear 305 size Tires (33-12.50-16) installed on the Premium
Aluminum Ford Wheels that came on it and added a BodyGuard Bedliner,
Nice Medium Window Tint, and a BugShield II to it.

Sticker price was $34,965.00 plus the above listed extras I added
were another $1000.00.

I have the Factory Invoice Sticker, listing all the many options,
and several pictures of the truck scanned and will be happy to e-mail
them to you if you if you are interested. The truck is located in SW
Florida.

Michael

Cape Coral, FL


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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 21:52:28 -0500
From: Michael Ruth
Subject: FTE 97up - Factory Temp Gauge

Not to be rude, but if there are any others that have a 1999 Lariat
SUPERDUTY truck that has a temperature gauge built into the factory
overhead console please e-mail me off-list becasue I was cheated! There
seems to be someone on the list that feels different about my facts. I
thought we were on this list because we all had something in common.
that is the love for FORD TRUCKS. I have sold FORDS for 2 years and
have my own personal F-350 Superduty Lariat that I adore and worked very
hard for. I feel there is no need to tell another list member about
B.S. unless he wants to direct it to their personal e-mail. Is there
any respect left for anyone???? If there isn't, then please remove me
from all the FORD lists because I do not want to look like a fool. I do
not interject unless I know what I have said is FACT!

Mike
Balto, MD
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 18:01:40 -0800
From: George Passidakis
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Superduty Lariat VS. XLT

According to my research and dealer's fleet manager, I could not get the Super Duty Lariat without leather either. Just ordered an XLT.

Anyone have a '99 Super Duty Lariat with the cloth seats?

At 11/10/98 06:04 PM, you wrote:
>Michael Ruth:
>According to the dealership I bought my XLT through, I could not get the
>Lariat without leather. Some reading material (the Superduty brochure I
>believe) said you could get it without leather...which was my first attempt,
>but I soon found out otherwise. Anybody else have any input?
>-Brandt
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Michael Ruth
>To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>Date: Tuesday, November 10, 1998 3:54 PM
>Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Superduty Lariat VS. XLT
>
>
>>Brandt Dennehy wrote:
>>>
>>> I recently purchased a 99' SD F-250 supercab V-10 XLT. Just as somebody
>>> mentioned earlier, I went with the XLT vs. the Lariat ONLY because the
>>> leather seats were not an option. I wanted every other feature, except
>>> those leather seats, especially the temperature gauge on the
>>> ceiling...
>>Brandt,
>>The Lariat does NOT have a temperature gauge on the ceil or anywhere
>>else. The features in the overhead console are COMPASS, AVG MPG,
>>DISTANCE TO EMPTY, and ENGLISH/METRIC conversion. It is very handy, I
>>like it. Also... YOU CAN get the LARIAT without leather! There is a
>>company that sells a rear view (INSIDE) mirror with compass,
>>electrochromatic auto dimming and temperature features... It is made by
>>Mito Corp 800-433-6486. I am not affiliated with this company, I just
>>odered one gor my Bronco II because my 99 SD Lariat has an
>>electrochromatic auto dimming mirror and I really like it.
>>Mike
>>Baltimore, MD
>>99 f-350 SD SC 4X4 Lariat (16k miles)
>>94 E.B. 4X4 Explorer (22k miles)
>>89 Bronco II XLT 4X4 (120k miles)
>>89 Merkur Scorpio (56k miles)
>>88 Merkur XR4Ti (80k miles)
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 21:21:52 -0500
From: "Eddie Pettit"
Subject: FTE 97up - http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pettitcompany.com/97f150/)

Ok. I installed LT285/75R16s on my truck yesterday and took some pictures.
We are real pleased with the outcome. I've thrown a page together so that
all may view the difference. At some later date, I'll properly add this
information to my main site.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pettitcompany.com/97f150/

The ride has suffered a bit, changing from 235s to LT285s but the look and
the added clearance are definitely worth it. Not to mention the fact that
"Hey! It's a truck!".

Eddie Pettit
Midlothian VA
eddie thepettitfamily.org
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 17:58:35 -0600
From: "Bud Feuless & Miki Magara"
Subject: FTE 97up - Camper Package with Trailer Tow on F-250 SD?

I will be ordering an F-250 SD, PSD, 4x4, Lariat with all the goodies.
10-20% of the time, I will be towing a 9 to 10000# boat and trailer on a
drop bumper and may use a weight distributing hitch, especially on long
rides, such as the ride from Houston to San Diego (hills and wind). I will
be getting the tow package, but am trying to decide whether the camper
package might be a wise addition also. For this particular vehicle, the
camper package only really adds a rear stabilizer bar, auxiliary rear
springs and a camper certificate. The question is, what impact that will
have on the 10-20% of the time I will be towing, which is important, but
also, what impact it will have on the 80-90% of the time I will not be.

It seems like the stabilizer bar would be a good thing even in normal
driving, but that the auxiliary springs might make the ride rougher or even
jumpy in the rear when the truck is not loaded. I know some of you folks
with big campers and fifth wheels must have had these installed. How do the
impact ride unloaded vs. loaded?

Your feedback is appreciated. Once I get this down, I'll be ready to join
the masses in that big line in the computer...

Thanks, Bud



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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 21:09:45 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 1999 FORD F250 SUPERDUTY/SUPERCAB 4X4 DIESEL-SELLING

You might try listing it on www.autoconnect.com . I don't know if it will
be of help selling your truck but it is a free sight so it couldn't hurt.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.

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From: Michael
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, November 10, 1998 7:51 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - 1999 FORD F250 SUPERDUTY/SUPERCAB 4X4 DIESEL-SELLING


>Hello All,
>
> I see from reading the many newsgroups that many FORD fans have a new
> 99 Superduty on order. I ordered mine in March and it was just
> delivered 3 weeks ago. But, I have a problem, we never owned a Diesel
> before and the fumes make my wife very ill.
>
> Go figure....she has an allergic type reaction to the smell of the
> burned Diesel that makes her feel sick to her stomach. However, no
> one else in the family or neighbors for that matter, has any problem
> with it.
>
> So, I am forced to sell my Brand New Truck and revert back to a
>gasoline engine 250 to keep peace in the family.
>
> Anyway, it is a 1999 Ford 250 SuperDuty SuperCab 4X4 Lariat Pkg, 7.3
> Turbo Powerstroke Diesel with only 165 miles on it. Some of the
> options include Electronic 4 speed Automatic Transmission, 3.73 gearing
> with limited slip, engine heater, Trailer Towing Package, Remote
> Trailer Tow Mirrors, Electric 4X4 Shift on the Fly, Premium Aluminum
> Wheels, Chrome Rear Step Bumper, Towing Receiver, Etc.
>
> It is Prairie Tan Color Outside with Prairie Tan Leather interior
>and was ordered for Towing a camper or 5th Wheel.
>
> Further, before I ever picked it up, I had the tires changed to
>Goodyear 305 size Tires (33-12.50-16) installed on the Premium
>Aluminum Ford Wheels that came on it and added a BodyGuard Bedliner,
>Nice Medium Window Tint, and a BugShield II to it.
>
> Sticker price was $34,965.00 plus the above listed extras I added
>were another $1000.00.
>
> I have the Factory Invoice Sticker, listing all the many options,
>and several pictures of the truck scanned and will be happy to e-mail
>them to you if you if you are interested. The truck is located in SW
>Florida.
>
>Michael
>
>Cape Coral, FL


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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 00:11:46 -0500
From: "Todd E."
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Superduty Lariat VS. XLT

JC Whitney offers a few thermometers like this.

Brandt Dennehy wrote:

> I recently purchased a 99' SD F-250 supercab V-10 XLT. Just as somebody
> mentioned earlier, I went with the XLT vs. the Lariat ONLY because the
> leather seats were not an option. I wanted every other feature, except
> those leather seats, especially the temperature gauge on the
> ceiling....which brings me to my question....does anybody know if you can
> buy a temperature gauge (inside/outside temps.) that has illumintated
> numbers, instead of the black digital numbers which have to be illuminated
> by green background light (just like a watch)? My father has a temp. gauge
> in his Dodge pickup, and it is sooooo handy when the temp is around
> freezing. Any input would be appreciated. Thanks.
>
> Brandt
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 02:51:47 EST
From: FISHNG1 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Picked up my F-350 today!

Powesroke Diesel , auto, and 3.73 LS
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 03:38:40 EST
From: FISHNG1 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Superduty Lariat VS. XLT

My dealer also said that the Lariat had to have leather, even though it is
offered in the Preffered Equipment Package and shows Fabric seats as Standard
in my SD brochure. Maybe it was one of those things that was offered in the
earlier versions of the SD's like the purple paint that I had originally
wanted. Things do change, I ordered my SD without the passenger air bag for
two reasons, the first being that my wife is terrified at the thought of our
baby being injured by one of those. {I tried to explain that you could turn it
off and lock it out with a key.} And the second was I could save a few
hundred dollars. But when my truck arrived last week, lo and behold, there
was the airbag with the lockout feature. I was told that they put them in all
now and have read other post that say the same. Oh well, I love my truck and
to all of you that are waiting, time goes by quickly and these posts help. I
get great satisfaction reading my mail daily.
The FishNg1

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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 03:48:34 EST
From: FISHNG1 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Factory Temp Gauge

I think that Mike guy from MD has gone over the edge. Nobody has called him
a liar and this is why we call this a discussion group. We discuss in a
disciplined manner and don't YELL at each other. I hope he finds a new home on
the net to keep him happy and occuppied. How about it Nathan? What are the
facts on the overhead console and leather availability.....for the rest of the
world that has yet to order one of our grand trucks. > Thanks > The
FishNg1 from Gig Harbor, WA
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 03:38:40 EST
From: FISHNG1 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Superduty Lariat VS. XLT

My dealer also said that the Lariat had to have leather, even though it is
offered in the Preffered Equipment Package and shows Fabric seats as Standard
in my SD brochure. Maybe it was one of those things that was offered in the
earlier versions of the SD's like the purple paint that I had originally
wanted. Things do change, I ordered my SD without the passenger air bag for
two reasons, the first being that my wife is terrified at the thought of our
baby being injured by one of those. {I tried to explain that you could turn it
off and lock it out with a key.} And the second was I could save a few
hundred dollars. But when my truck arrived last week, lo and behold, there
was the airbag with the lockout feature. I was told that they put them in all
now and have read other post that say the same. Oh well, I love my truck and
to all of you that are waiting, time goes by quickly and these posts help. I
get great satisfaction reading my mail daily.
The FishNg1

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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 05:37:32 EST
From: MadPoodle aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Speedo recalibration

Does Ford offer any way to recalibrate the speedo's? Used to be they had
different size gears for the speedo drive, but what do they do nowadays?
I know somewhere somewhere in my collection o Ford tricks, I have the
procedure for recalibrating the electronic speedo's for different size tires.
I would think if they provided for these to be recalibrated, they would also
accomadate the mechanical units??

Scott
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 08:10:26 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Superduty Lariat VS. XLT

The Lariat lists cloth as standard and leather as part of the package. You
CAN NOT get a Lariat without leather. The reason they do this is to be able
to show the Package discount (important for leasing).

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.
Ford-Mercury

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From: Brandt Dennehy
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, November 10, 1998 7:15 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Superduty Lariat VS. XLT


>Michael Ruth:
>According to the dealership I bought my XLT through, I could not get the
>Lariat without leather. Some reading material (the Superduty brochure I
>believe) said you could get it without leather...which was my first
attempt,
>but I soon found out otherwise. Anybody else have any input?
>-Brandt


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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 10:32:32 -0500
From: "Sutton, Mike"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - 3.73 LS vs 4.30 LS w/V-10 Engine

In a message dated 98-11-10 12:17:45 EST, you write:


Installing a centrifugal supercharger, such as Paxton, Vortech, etc., will
not give you any more power than you already have below 2,500-3,000 rpm's.
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RSnovi aol.com wrote:
well i have to beg to differ on this as i am big into the performance
industry, all depends on which model and effiency of engine.
RS

Well RS, it's fine with me for you to "beg to differ". I will, however,
stand by my statement. Anyone who is "big into the performance industry"
should know that a centrifugal supercharger is designed to improve
horsepower in the mid to upper rpm range, period. As far as different
models go, I own a centrifugally supercharged Ford modular V8, so I'm not
just regurgitating something I read in a magazine. The modular V8's behave
extremely similar to the V10. What experience are you basing your argument
on?

Regards,
Mike Sutton

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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 07:08:15 -0600
From: "Charles Abraham"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 3.73 LS vs 4.30 LS w/V-10 Engine

RS,

Will you share some of that knowledge, as far as which supercharger (make and
model) you do select for your V10? I for one would consider making the move.

Charles.

RSnovi aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 98-11-10 12:17:45 EST, you write:
>
>
> Installing a centrifugal supercharger, such as Paxton, Vortech, etc., will
> not give you any more power than you already have below 2,500-3,000 rpm's.
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>
> well i have to beg to differ on this as i am big into the performance
> industry, all depends on which model and effiency of engine.
>
> RS
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 07:04:15 -0600
From: "Charles Abraham"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - F-Series Super Duty SRW wheels

Sounds like switch from aluminum to powdercoat on steel? My ford "five-star"
wheels on my Mustang GT have powdercoat finish, and I'm just starting to see
the beginnings of very small rust pits on the fronts.

Charles.

Union Auto wrote:

> I noticed in the fiche when I was looking up a spare for a Super Duty that
> they list the XLT aluminum wheel as one part number until Sep 13, 1998 and
> after that they list a Satin Finish wheels (same style). I hadn't noticed
> but they did change the finish.
>
> Nathan Bernard
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 13:54:12 GMT
From: alannorthstar mindspring.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - ESOF question

On Tue, 10 Nov 1998 12:25:13 -0600, you wrote:

:>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Original Message From "Jose A. Fernandez" =
=20
:=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
:>Hello,
:>
:>How do I get a 4x4 SD with ESOF to go into 4xLO without locking the
:>front hubs? My interest is in getting the low gearing without having =
to
:>constantly adjust to/from {pavement, gravel, dirt}.
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:You can put the 4X4 shifter in 4-Low inside the cab and then keep your =
hubs in=20
:the "free" position and then you will be in 2-Low. The transfer case =
will be=20
:in low range, but the front wheels won't be engaged in four-wheel drive.=
=20
:Driving around in 2-Low all of the time will absolutely kill your gas =
mileage.
: I would suggest swapping your differential gears with some lower ones. =
This=20
:will still cause your gas mileage to go down, but not near as much as =
driving=20
:in 2-Low all of the time will.
:
:Scott Anderson
Hmmmmm. I can't control the hub locking on my Ranger 4x4.
When you put it in 4x4 HI or 4x4 LO, the hubs automatically are
locked by a vacuum control system.

I think the poster wanted to know if there is a way to be in
4x4LO without locking those hubs. On my truck, there is no
separate control for the hubs.

I suppose you could disable that locking system more or less
permanently if all you ever want is the low-range gearing. . .

Later,
Alan
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 07:57:52 -0800
From: "Michael D. Sheridan"
Subject: FTE 97up - 99 Ranger/Mazda B2500 dome light

Folks:

I wonder if anyone has a good fix to stop
the dome light from coming on when a door
is opened on these trucks or at least some
way to control it.

Our 98 Sable has a handy 3 way switch
to do this.

Thank you in advance,

Michael
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 06:57:41 -0500
From: Lee Haefele
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: V-10 & 4.30 gears

> Has anyone test-driven (or own) the SuperDuty F-250 or F-350 with the V-10
> engine, automatic trans and the 4.30 LS rear differential gears?? If so,
> does the engine wind-out when on the highway at cruising speed??
I have this engine/trans combo. The auto trans actually has a taller OD
gear than the std, the RPM W/4.30 auto is the same as my old 4.10 std at
hwy speed, 2200 approx at 60. It is not noisy at that speed. The
reason I got 4.30 gears is that I am permanently loaded to 10,500 lb,
with utility body & aerial bucket, which adds wind resistance. This
ratio is just right for this weight. The question comes down to how
much of a percentage of your driving will be loaded/towing, also
off-road use will benefit from 4.30s, but gas mileage will be worse
unloaded, possibly 2 mpg. The next comment: This engine has a really
long break-in period, mine & the local garbage man's units W/3500 & 5000
miles are still gaining power, both were really powerless at delivery.
I am getting 8-9 mpg, he is getting 6-7mpg, but his is F-450 W/4.88
gears on stop & go route.
Lee Haefele
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 11:14:05 -0500
From: Dick_Dorff baynetworks.com (Dick Dorff)
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Factory Temp Gauge

FISHNG1 aol.com wrote:

> I think that Mike guy from MD has gone over the edge. Nobody has called him
> a liar and this is why we call this a discussion group. We discuss in a
> disciplined manner and don't YELL at each other.

Although I can't find the offending message anymore, at the time of reading it I thought the reply to Mike was a bit harsh; the term "BS" _was_ used, and in a less than flattering manner.

> I hope he finds a new home on
> the net to keep him happy and occuppied.

I hope he stays; we can use all the help and info from experience sharing that we can get. It might help if all would try to keep postings civil, respectful, thoughtful, and mindful of whether opinions or facts are being expressed. Although both are welcome in my mind, they may not warrant the same tone in a message.

Signed, an all too often unthoughtful,

Dick Dorff




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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 08:15:41 -0800
From: George Passidakis
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Speedo recalibration

I found this on Speedo recalibration. It may be what you already have:

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.abol.com/.query.tips.forddieselmain.Speedo~20Calibration

Don't know if it works or not but it might be worth a try. It was listed for the up to '97 models but it may also work for the '99s.

Let us know what you find.

George

At 11/11/98 05:37 AM, you wrote:
> Does Ford offer any way to recalibrate the speedo's? Used to be they had
>different size gears for the speedo drive, but what do they do nowadays?
> I know somewhere somewhere in my collection o Ford tricks, I have the
>procedure for recalibrating the electronic speedo's for different size tires.
>I would think if they provided for these to be recalibrated, they would also
>accomadate the mechanical units??
>
>Scott
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 10:39:19 -0600
From: scott anderson
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - 3.73 LS vs 4.30 LS w/V-10 Engine

>===== Original Message From "Sutton, Mike" =====
>In a message dated 98-11-10 12:17:45 EST, you write:
>
>
>Installing a centrifugal supercharger, such as Paxton, Vortech, etc., will
>not give you any more power than you already have below 2,500-3,000 rpm's.
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>RSnovi aol.com wrote:
>well i have to beg to differ on this as i am big into the performance
>industry, all depends on which model and effiency of engine.
>RS
>
>Well RS, it's fine with me for you to "beg to differ". I will, however,
>stand by my statement. Anyone who is "big into the performance industry"
>should know that a centrifugal supercharger is designed to improve
>horsepower in the mid to upper rpm range, period. As far as different
>models go, I own a centrifugally supercharged Ford modular V8, so I'm not
>just regurgitating something I read in a magazine. The modular V8's behave
>extremely similar to the V10. What experience are you basing your argument
>on?
>
>Regards,
>Mike Sutton
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That is correct. The only supercharger I know that offers an increase in
power all throughout the rpm's is the Whipplecharger. I could be wrong, but
that is the only one I know of that offers an increase at low rpm's as well as
mid and high.

Scott Anderson


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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 10:56:00 -0600
From: scott anderson
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - ESOF question

>===== Original Message From 97up-list ford-trucks.com =====
>On Tue, 10 Nov 1998 12:25:13 -0600, you wrote:
>
>:>===== Original Message From "Jose A. Fernandez"
>:=====
>:>Hello,
>:>
>:>How do I get a 4x4 SD with ESOF to go into 4xLO without locking the
>:>front hubs? My interest is in getting the low gearing without having to
>:>constantly adjust to/from {pavement, gravel, dirt}.
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>:You can put the 4X4 shifter in 4-Low inside the cab and then keep your hubs
in
>:the "free" position and then you will be in 2-Low. The transfer case will
be
>:in low range, but the front wheels won't be engaged in four-wheel drive.
>:Driving around in 2-Low all of the time will absolutely kill your gas
mileage.
>: I would suggest swapping your differential gears with some lower ones.
This
>:will still cause your gas mileage to go down, but not near as much as
driving
>:in 2-Low all of the time will.
>:
>:Scott Anderson
>Hmmmmm. I can't control the hub locking on my Ranger 4x4.
>When you put it in 4x4 HI or 4x4 LO, the hubs automatically are
>locked by a vacuum control system.
>
>I think the poster wanted to know if there is a way to be in
>4x4LO without locking those hubs. On my truck, there is no
>separate control for the hubs.
>
>I suppose you could disable that locking system more or less
>permanently if all you ever want is the low-range gearing. . .
>
>Later,
> Alan
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Have you ever heard of manual hubs? That is what I was referring to. I have
had automatic hubs twice before, and they have burnt up half of the time. I
would advise against them in a big truck. I'm sure they're all right in a
Ranger though.

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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 13:01:20 -0500
From: Dick_Dorff baynetworks.com (Dick Dorff)
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - ESOF the Right Choice

Charles Abraham wrote:

> I choose ESOF on my Super Duty for the conveyance and security (perceived or realized) that it provides my wife when she's out on the road and the weather turns ugly. (The weather in northern Illinois in the winter does not always cooperate with the weatherman's forecast.) And the thought of her having to get out of the truck in a snow storm at sub-zero temperatures - in traffic no less, with grand kids in the back seat, to engage manual hubs, is just unthinkable to me. The cost for the option,
> $128, is rather a small price to pay, considering the added sense of well being it affords. About ESOP lasting 10 years without acting up, your probably right. But then again what will?

Thanks Charles; you've got me completely second-guessing the decision all over again :-( I completely agree with your arguments, but just not the conclusion, yet. For the moment I'll stick with my (latest) decision keep the ESOF dropped from the order, and hope to find an aftermarket hub auto-locking mechanism. I've heard some inserts were available for older Fords. But, I'm completely 49/51 as to which way is right for us. The two main arguments are, as I see it...

On the one hand, the added convenience (for women with children especially, as is in Charles' and my situations) and safety by easily toggling 4x4 from the inside, makes it well worth the minor cost of the option, and potential added cost and hassle for the potentially rare time(s) it might break. Just as we don't rely on hand cranks to start motors, but rely on complex starting systems, so should we accept progress and learn to rely on automatic 4x4 systems. (Some of these arguments are
paraphrased from an interesting thread on the pros/cons of ESOF on a msg board that's under construction now and so can't be used to check my quite fallible memory.)

On the other hand, the lack of manual override for transfer case en/disengaging, and only partial override capabilities for hub lock/unlocking can be considered a significant, potentially much more severe, though admittedly not nearly as likely, safety risk. As I understand the SD ESOF, failure could leave the front drive shaft engaged, or dis-engaged, with no remedy to change, or could leave the hubs locked, with no remedy to unlock. (I take the settings "on" and "automatic" to mean hubs are
either manually set on, or manually set to automatic, and then subject completely to the whims of the ESOF operation. Can be forced to be "locked", but can't be forced to be "unlocked"). The only manual override capability in case ESOF fails is to "lock" the hubs. If these assumptions of it's operation are correct, I see the potential for disaster in a few scenarios. First, one could be at the bottom of a snow covered hill, and not be able to engage the front driveshaft, and be stuck. Second,
one could be on dry pavement (snow stopped, roads cleared, middle of long highway trip) with no way to disengage the front driveshaft or unlock the hubs, and have transfer case binding. Note: By ESOF failure, I mean anything from axle-located, vacuum-operated hub locking/unlocking mechanism failure, to the computer not sending the desired signal to any component, to the shift knob breaking, and anything in between. It's not that the manual mechanisms can't break, but it seems an order of
magnitude less likely.

(Still on the other hand...) Although I realize I'm being a little too paranoid about failure when cotemplating our own decision, I feel some amount of it is justified. If the SDs were barely out the door when ESOF problems started to pop up already, that tells me either insufficient testing was done, even short-term testing, or, a change was made to the design late in development stages after much or all testing was done, or ESOF wasn't tested in all configurations if problem was configuration
dependent (I don't know, not does it matter much). That also tells me that long-term (ie stress, duration/longevity) testing was not done, or not done sufficiently, otherwise, this short term-occurring problem should have surfaced, in all liklihood, along the way in long-term testing. Granted, I'm still a little too paranoid (I'm in Software Quality Assurance, I test stuff, I'm paid to expect everything developed by humans to be at risk of as much failure as possible), but the evidence of
quickly-appearing major problems, combined with my assumption that this is (?) a new system (ESOF on SD) with little or no long-term field exposure, makes me feel some anticipation of problems within it's useful (relied upon) life is justified.

I don't know for sure exactly how all the mechanisms involved in ESOF operation work, and I think that's needed for a lot of my "safety" arguments above. For example, if it were the case that there's no way hubs would get stuck in "locked" position, but that in case of any failure, they "must" revert to unlocked, unless manually overridden, it would totally shoot down disaster scenario #2. I doubt however that much of this provisioning exists because I would guess it takes extra engineering, beyond
the extra already required to implement ESOF. Automakers aren't renowned for this from what I hear. The above are only my perception of how it ought to operate based on the possible settings of the system (ESOF dial knob settings and manual hub override settings), the brochure, and other msg board or email list info come across. That's all I have to go on for now in order to make our decision. If anyone's got some concrete info on how the system works, fire away. I gather I'm not the only one
somewhat in the dark.


For what it's worth,

Dick Dorff

Ordered: 10/27; Est Time to Delivery was 4-8wks (we're not holding our breath)
'99 SD F250, CC, SB, 4x4, V10, 3.73LS (so far), XLT, Auto, Deep Wedgewood/Silver (wife's choice), Denim int., 235/85 AS, Tow Pkg.


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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 12:09:48 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - F-Series Super Duty SRW wheels

They still call them Forged aluminum. So I don't think its powder coating.

Nathan

- -----Original Message-----
From: Charles Abraham
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, November 11, 1998 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - F-Series Super Duty SRW wheels


>Sounds like switch from aluminum to powdercoat on steel? My ford
"five-star"
>wheels on my Mustang GT have powdercoat finish, and I'm just starting to
see
>the beginnings of very small rust pits on the fronts.
>
>Charles.
>
>Union Auto wrote:
>
>> I noticed in the fiche when I was looking up a spare for a Super Duty
that
>> they list the XLT aluminum wheel as one part number until Sep 13, 1998
and
>> after that they list a Satin Finish wheels (same style). I hadn't
noticed
>> but they did change the finish.
>>
>> Nathan Bernard


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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 12:14:35 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Camper Package with Trailer Tow on F-250 SD?

The camper package has the rear swaybar to accommodate the higher center of
gravity the truck would have with a Box camper. It shouldn't affect ride at
all. The Aux. rear springs are an overload that won't affect ride until the
box settles down on to the aux springs (aprox 2 inches) so I wouldn't worry
about ride. Also if you are considering having the rear suspension lowered
you Definitely want the camper package.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.

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From: Bud Feuless & Miki Magara
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, November 10, 1998 9:05 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - Camper Package with Trailer Tow on F-250 SD?


>I will be ordering an F-250 SD, PSD, 4x4, Lariat with all the goodies.
>10-20% of the time, I will be towing a 9 to 10000# boat and trailer on a
>drop bumper and may use a weight distributing hitch, especially on long
>rides, such as the ride from Houston to San Diego (hills and wind). I will
>be getting the tow package, but am trying to decide whether the camper
>package might be a wise addition also. For this particular vehicle, the
>camper package only really adds a rear stabilizer bar, auxiliary rear
>springs and a camper certificate. The question is, what impact that will
>have on the 10-20% of the time I will be towing, which is important, but
>also, what impact it will have on the 80-90% of the time I will not be.
>
>It seems like the stabilizer bar would be a good thing even in normal
>driving, but that the auxiliary springs might make the ride rougher or even
>jumpy in the rear when the truck is not loaded. I know some of you folks
>with big campers and fifth wheels must have had these installed. How do
the
>impact ride unloaded vs. loaded?
>
>Your feedback is appreciated. Once I get this down, I'll be ready to join
>the masses in that big line in the computer...
>
>Thanks, Bud


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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 12:20:40 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Factory Temp Gauge

All Lariats have leather. There is no way to order one with out. According
to the ordering guide the Overhead console displays: Compass, Distance until
empty and average Fuel economy. I don't have a Lariat in right now (got 2
coming in a week or two) to verify this.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.

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From: FISHNG1 aol.com
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, November 11, 1998 3:27 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Factory Temp Gauge


> I think that Mike guy from MD has gone over the edge. Nobody has called
him
>a liar and this is why we call this a discussion group. We discuss in a
>disciplined manner and don't YELL at each other. I hope he finds a new home
on
>the net to keep him happy and occuppied. How about it Nathan? What are
the
>facts on the overhead console and leather availability.....for the rest of
the
>world that has yet to order one of our grand trucks. > Thanks > The
>FishNg1 from Gig Harbor, WA


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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 13:45:57 -0500
From: Dick_Dorff baynetworks.com (Dick Dorff)
Subject: FTE 97up - Factory Rx-er Hitch

Any thoughts on the quality and value of the factory receiver hitches? It initially seems the price can't be argued with ($128 for a Class IV on an SD F250). One hitch-company person said better quality exists aftermarket (surprise, surprise), for comparable cost. I've seen them in the $150-200 range, slightly higher than factory, but I haven't looked extensively. I don't anticipate using it much since we plan on 5th-wheeling it, but I could see the once in a blue moon towing a bobcat on
trailer (7,500lb ballpark?) from the rental place, or a friends boat or trailer. I wonder if I should take the opportunity to just get the factory hitch if it's good enough quality at a good price.

Anybody ever bother to make any comparisons?

Thanks,

Dick Dorff
99 F250 SD, CC, SB, 4x4, V10, 3.73LS (so far) on order.

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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 14:43:12 -0500
From: Jean Marc Chartier
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - ESOF the Right Choice

Dick Dorff wrote:
>
> Charles Abraham wrote:
>
MAJOR SNIP
> For what it's worth,
>
> Dick Dorff
>
> Ordered: 10/27; Est Time to Delivery was 4-8wks (we're not holding our breath)
> '99 SD F250, CC, SB, 4x4, V10, 3.73LS (so far), XLT, Auto, Deep Wedgewood/Silver (wife's choice), Denim int., 235/85 AS, Tow Pkg.
>
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Dick,

Please stop second guessing your decisions. You have
made the right chose, whatever you choose. Ford makes a
fine product so don't worry. If you are stuck in the middle
of wherever call the Ford roadside assistance. If you are
past warranty maintain your truck properly and the likely
hood of catastrophic failure is minimal. If the roads are
bad enough that 4x4 must be used my wife will not drive. I
would worry more about what to do with my truck once it
arrives.

Kindest regards

Jean Marc Chartier
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 07:51:02 -0600 (CST)
From: Stu Varner
Subject: FTE 97up - locking front hubs

I have been on the 61-79 List almost since it's inception in early 97 and I
have just subscribed to the 97up list because I am planning on buying a new
99 F-250 Super Duty 4x4 ext cab. in the spring. I will listen for a while
and let ya'll answer my question like you have been. You seem to answer them
without my asking. Thanks!

BTW- Feel free to offer advice via Private Geek mail on the F-250 SD 4x4
trucks.
I will be ordering in late Nov. My dealer told me to expect to wait 2 to 3
months for delivery.

On to the real reason for my post:

With my '71 4x4, which is being restored as we speak, I would lock in the
hubs (when it was together) and drive for a mile or so every month in 4
wheel high just to keep things circulated and lubed up as per owners manual
instructions. I always thought it a good idea to keep moving parts
lubricated. Surely a mile or two each month in 4 wheel drive won't cause
that much damage.......will it?

Stu
Nuke GM!
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pscico.com/stu


>Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 14:05:21 -0700
>From: "Kurt Musgrave"
>Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Buying a '99 F250 -- need help THANK YOU!
>
>It hasn't been that many years ago that any kind of front wheel locking hub
>was "optional". Many trucks were built without hubs. There is no damage
>done by running with the hubs in and the transfer case out. You will find
>that the front driveshaft slip joint will wear much longer because it's
>turning all the time. Just sits in one place and wears when the hubs are
>out. People were amazed back when the big three made the "full times" that
>the front shaft didn't wear like "part times".
>
>Kurt.

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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 13:35:54 -0600
From: "Charles Abraham"
Subject: FTE 97up - Tire Upgrade Option on Super Duty

How many Super Duty buyers are getting other than the stock tires? If they choose
one of the upgraded tires, which one and why? Is it a good deal?

I did, on my F250 SD SC V10 3.73LS 4x4. I choose the LT265/75R16E AS OWL (4)
$238/$280 over its more costly AT counterpart. My reasons were that being the
same diameter as the stock 235/85/16. (Actually .08" shorter, so does that mean
my 3.73 is now really a 3.85?) The "265" offered a wider contact patch with the
road, 10.43" versus the 235's 9.25". And being an All Season tire, it should ride
quieter and smoother on the highway, where most of my driving will be done. The
cost, $238, didn't seem a whole lot for four tires mounted and balance at the
factory. I also liked the looks of the OWL better. The negative is that they are
Firestone's.

The name Firestone still connotes to me an unsafe tire (shows my age). Even
though they are now made by Bridgestone. One reassuring note, whether stock or
upgrade, they all carry an "E" load rating, 3080# 80PSI.
Which bring up a interesting point. I've heard here said by some Super Duty
owners that they have replaced their original tires with BF's or another brand.
And I'm curious, what was the load rating of the replacement tires?

Charles.




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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 16:13:29 -0500
From: wvernon
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Factory Temp Gauge

But look at the owners manual. It explains the temp guage functions
available in the console "if equipped". I guess I was one of the lucky
ones. Trust me on this, my Lariot has one, just like an Exploder.

Union Auto wrote:
>
> All Lariats have leather. There is no way to order one with out. According
> to the ordering guide the Overhead console displays: Compass, Distance until
> empty and average Fuel economy. I don't have a Lariat in right now (got 2
> coming in a week or two) to verify this.
>
> Nathan Bernard
> Union Auto, Inc.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: FISHNG1 aol.com
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Date: Wednesday, November 11, 1998 3:27 AM
> Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Factory Temp Gauge
>
> > I think that Mike guy from MD has gone over the edge. Nobody has called
> him
> >a liar and this is why we call this a discussion group. We discuss in a
> >disciplined manner and don't YELL at each other. I hope he finds a new home
> on
> >the net to keep him happy and occuppied. How about it Nathan? What are
> the
> >facts on the overhead console and leather availability.....for the rest of
> the
> >world that has yet to order one of our grand trucks. > Thanks > The
> >FishNg1 from Gig Harbor, WA
>
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 16:15:04 -0500
From: wvernon
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Factory Rx-er Hitch

Uhhh....Could some of you folks please learn how to set your margins?

Dick Dorff wrote:
>
> Any thoughts on the quality and value of the factory receiver hitches? It initially seems the price can't be argued with ($128 for a Class IV on an SD F250). One hitch-company person said better quality exists aftermarket (surprise, surprise), for comparable cost. I've seen them in the $150-200 range, slightly higher than factory, but I haven't looked extensively. I don't anticipate using it much since we plan on 5th-wheeling it, but I could see the once in a blue moon towing a bobcat on
> trailer (7,500lb ballpark?) from the rental place, or a friends boat or trailer. I wonder if I should take the opportunity to just get the factory hitch if it's good enough quality at a good price.
>
> Anybody ever bother to make any comparisons?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dick Dorff
> 99 F250 SD, CC, SB, 4x4, V10, 3.73LS (so far) on order.
>
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 14:27:43 -0800
From: Rod Loewen
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: 97up-list-digest

Chad Royse, Todd E.
I have a 97 F250 PSD 4X4 and use it for work in the oil production
industry. I put on 50 to 60,000 miles/year. The front drive shaft and
axle U-joints need to be replaced about every 30 to 40, 000 miles while
the rear ones, which turn all the time will go about 100,000 miles. So
it is a good idea to lock your hubs once in a while and turn the front
end but never lock just one hub because that will cause the differential
to work continously and I've seen many front end spider gears wrecked
when the automatic hubs unlocked only one side and the vehicle was
driven for a distance. Common sense indicates that the hubs can be
locked on any surface with out damage. The damage occurs when the
transfer case is pulled in to 4wd. So you do use slightly more fuel but
your front end will last longer and you're always ready for 4wd. with
the pull of the transfer case lever. I know some guys who leave their
hubs locked all winter and in any kind of wet weather. Most of our work
is on gravel or dirt and lots of no roads but we run on the pavement to
get to work.
Well, thats 30 years of experience for you!
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 17:14:33 -0500
From: Dick_Dorff baynetworks.com (Dick Dorff)
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Factory Rx-er Hitch

wvernon wrote:

> Uhhh....Could some of you folks please learn how to set your margins?
>
> Dick Dorff wrote:



I've tried; help is welcome. It seems no matter what I set the "wrap long lines at ___" setting to, it never quite exactly matches the default width of the New Message window that my Netscape mail app. generates. Then the messages always end up with those annoying 1 or 2 word lines. I figured really long lines (500 chars) would just get nicely wrapped by the readers email app; but apparently it's not as pretty as I'd hoped?

I'll keep experimenting, but it's of limited value since whatever I send to myself, is nicely readable by my own email app (Netscape).

Dick Dorff



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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 17:27:59 -0500
From: wvernon
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Factory Rx-er Hitch

I don't know. I use Netscape too. Are you set to wrap long lines at 72
characters under edit preferences messages?

Dick Dorff wrote:
>
> wvernon wrote:
>
> > Uhhh....Could some of you folks please learn how to set your margins?
> >
> > Dick Dorff wrote:
>
>
>
> I've tried; help is welcome. It seems no matter what I set the "wrap long lines at ___" setting to, it never quite exactly matches the default width of the New Message window that my Netscape mail app. generates. Then the messages always end up with those annoying 1 or 2 word lines. I figured really long lines (500 chars) would just get nicely wrapped by the readers email app; but apparently it's not as pretty as I'd hoped?
>
> I'll keep experimenting, but it's of limited value since whatever I send to myself, is nicely readable by my own email app (Netscape).
>
> Dick Dorff
>
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 18:34:40 -0500
From: Chad Royse
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Factory Rx-er Hitch

It looks like you are using Communicator 4.05. You can set it to wrap long lines to help end your frustration of those who haven't set margins.

Trying to help,
Chad

wvernon wrote:

> Uhhh....Could some of you folks please learn how to set your margins?

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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 20:09:57 EST
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Factory Rx-er Hitch

In a message dated 98-11-11 13:53:18 EST, you write:


Any thoughts on the quality and value of the factory receiver hitches? It
initially seems the price can't be argued with ($128 for a Class IV on an SD
F250). One hitch-company person said better quality exists aftermarket
(surprise, surprise), for comparable cost. I've seen them in the $150-200
range, slightly higher than factory, but I haven't looked extensively. I
don't anticipate using it much since we plan on 5th-wheeling it, but I could
see the once in a blue moon towing a bobcat on
trailer (7,500lb ballpark?) from the rental place, or a friends boat or
trailer. I wonder if I should take the opportunity to just get the factory
hitch if it's good enough quality at a good price.

Anybody ever bother to make any comparisons?

Thanks,
>>
I was thinking the same thing i am going to be looking for a 20-28' enclosed
car hauler sometime, whats the take on the hitch?

Ross S
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 20:09:55 EST
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 3.73 LS vs 4.30 LS w/V-10 Engine

In a message dated 98-11-11 10:55:03 EST, you write:


RS,

Will you share some of that knowledge, as far as which supercharger (make and
model) you do select for your V10? I for one would consider making the move.

Char >>

I don't know when, if they haven;t already Vortech would be my choice on a
kit, good reliability and good people to work with, I know some of their
people through my racing endevors, i can check see when it may be avavlible if
its not already i know the 4.6 kit is.

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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 20:09:56 EST
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 3.73 LS vs 4.30 LS w/V-10 Engine

In a message dated 98-11-11 11:52:15 EST, you write:


That is correct. The only supercharger I know that offers an increase
in
power all throughout the rpm's is the Whipplecharger. I could be wrong, but
that is the only one I know of that offers an increase at low rpm's as well
as
mid and high.

Scott Anderson >>

ewww, a whipple is one i have never seen run very good, i have seen a few,
they are just hard to tune and no one wants to take the time to mess with the
install.

Ross S
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 21:46:43 -0500
From: Scot Evanson
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Factory Rx-er Hitch

For Netscape (others are similuar), simply go to "view" and
select "wrap long lines.

The problem lies in _your_ view (window), not the senders
messg.

SAE

wvernon wrote:
>
> Uhhh....Could some of you folks please learn how to set your margins?
>
> Dick Dorff wrote:
> >
> > Any thoughts on the quality and value of the factory receiver hitches? It initially seems the price can't be argued with ($128 for a Class IV on an SD F250). One hitch-company person said better quality exists aftermarket (surprise, surprise), for comparable cost. I've seen them in the $150-200 range, slightly higher than factory, but I haven't looked extensively. I don't anticipate using it much since we plan on 5th-wheeling it, but I could see the once in a blue moon towing a bobcat on
> > trailer (7,500lb ballpark?) from the rental place, or a friends boat or trailer. I wonder if I should take the opportunity to just get the factory hitch if it's good enough quality at a good price.
> >
> > Anybody ever bother to make any comparisons?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Dick Dorff
> > 99 F250 SD, CC, SB, 4x4, V10, 3.73LS (so far) on order.
> >
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 22:01:28 -0500
From: Scot Evanson
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Factory Rx-er Hitch

or Netscape (others are similar), simply go to "view" and
select "wrap long lines.

The problem lies in _your_ view (window), not the senders
messg.

SAE
>
> wvernon wrote:
> >
> > Uhhh....Could some of you folks please learn how to set your margins?
> >
> > Dick Dorff wrote:
> > >
> > > Any thoughts on the quality and value of the factory receiver hitches? It initially seems the price can't be argued with ($128 for a Class IV on an SD F250). One hitch-company person said better quality exists aftermarket (surprise, surprise), for comparable cost. I've seen them in the $150-200 range, slightly higher than factory, but I haven't looked extensively. I don't anticipate using it much since we plan on 5th-wheeling it, but I could see the once in a blue moon towing a bobcat on
> > > trailer (7,500lb ballpark?) from the rental place, or a friends boat or trailer. I wonder if I should take the opportunity to just get the factory hitch if it's good enough quality at a good price.
> > >
> > > Anybody ever bother to make any comparisons?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Dick Dorff
> > > 99 F250 SD, CC, SB, 4x4, V10, 3.73LS (so far) on order.
> > >
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 22:31:25 -0500
From: "Todd E."
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Factory Rx-er Hitch

I've gotten under a truck and checked the hitch out. It looks petty good. An important point is that the hitch actually bends around the spare tire. A hitch to fit the SuperDuties with spare tires may not be available yet aftermarket. I am kicking myself that I didn't get one with my truck. I don't have anything to tow yet, I figured I'd get a hitch when I needed it, and use the bumper inbetween for small stuff. I think that for the price of $128 its a good deal.

Dick Dorff wrote:

> Any thoughts on the quality and value of the factory receiver hitches? It initially seems the price can't be argued with ($128 for a Class IV on an SD F250). One hitch-company person said better quality exists aftermarket (surprise, surprise), for comparable cost. I've seen them in the $150-200 range, slightly higher than factory, but I haven't looked extensively. I don't anticipate using it much since we plan on 5th-wheeling it, but I could see the once in a blue moon towing a bobcat on
> trailer (7,500lb ballpark?) from the rental place, or a friends boat or trailer. I wonder if I should take the opportunity to just get the factory hitch if it's good enough quality at a good price.
>
> Anybody ever bother to make any comparisons?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dick Dorff
> 99 F250 SD, CC, SB, 4x4, V10, 3.73LS (so far) on order.
>
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 22:31:20 -0500
From: "Todd E."
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: 97up-list-digest

Does the front end need replacing every 30-40,000 miles when leaving the
hubs unlocked? If so, what kind of life do you get out of the front end
when leaving the hubs locked?

Rod Loewen wrote:

> Chad Royse, Todd E.
> I have a 97 F250 PSD 4X4 and use it for work in the oil production
> industry. I put on 50 to 60,000 miles/year. The front drive shaft and
> axle U-joints need to be replaced about every 30 to 40, 000 miles while....


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