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In this issue:

Re: FTE 97up - Buying a '99 F250 q
Re: FTE 97up - 3.73 LS vs 4.30 LS w/V-10 Engine
Re: FTE 97up - Buying a '99 F250 -- need help THANK YOU!
Re: FTE 97up - Bed Caps-Bed Liners
Re: FTE 97up - Picked up my F-350 today!
Re: FTE 97up - 3.73 LS vs 4.30 LS w/V-10 Engine
FTE 97up - torque vs hp
FTE 97up - Explorer stereo
Re: FTE 97up - Buying a '99 F250 -- need help THANK YOU!
Re: FTE 97up - Explorer stereo
Re: FTE 97up - Buying a '99 F250 -- need help THANK YOU!
FTE 97up - ESOF the Right Choice
RE: FTE 97up - 3.73 LS vs 4.30 LS w/V-10 Engine
Re: FTE 97up - Picked up my F-350 today!
RE: FTE 97up - 3.73 LS vs 4.30 LS w/V-10 Engine
FTE 97up - ESOF question
[none]
RE: FTE 97up - ESOF question
[none]
RE: FTE 97up - Explorer stereo
Re: FTE 97up - Buying a '99 F250 -- need help THANK YOU!
Re: FTE 97up - Buying a '99 F250 -- need help THANK YOU!
Re: FTE 97up - Buying a '99 F250 -- need help THANK YOU!
Re: FTE 97up - Buying a '99 F250 -- need help THANK YOU!
Re: FTE 97up - Bed Caps-Bed Liners
Re: FTE 97up - Buying a '99 F250 -- need help THANK YOU!
RE: FTE 97up - ESOF question
RE: FTE 97up - Buying a '99 F250 -- need help THANK YOU!
Re: FTE 97up - ESOF question
Re: FTE 97up - Buying a '99 F250 -- need help THANK YOU!
FTE 97up - Superduty Lariat VS. XLT
FTE 97up - Week #45 commodities
Re: FTE 97up - Superduty Lariat VS. XLT
FTE 97up - F-Series Super Duty SRW wheels
FTE 97up - 5.4L Power Improved head
Re: FTE 97up - Superduty Lariat VS. XLT
Re: FTE 97up - Superduty Lariat VS. XLT
Re: FTE 97up - 3.73 LS vs 4.30 LS w/V-10 Engine
Re: FTE 97up - Superduty Lariat VS. XLT
FTE 97up - NO Power-Take-Off Provision w/Lariat
Re: FTE 97up - Superduty Lariat VS. XLT
FTE 97up - Temp/compass discussion

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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 07:47:35 EST
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Buying a '99 F250 q

Well it looks like i maybe getting my F250 prarie tan/tan cloth 4x4 XLT PSD SC
SRW SB some time week we have the sales man on the ropes, only $125. more and
we have a deal, we have been wheelin and dealin since last friday, it always
amazes me how time can make them fold they think about money there are loosing
everyday from it sitting there. Anyone got any tips on options of the
extended service plans?

thanks
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 08:22:14 -0500
From: kauppij vfc.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 3.73 LS vs 4.30 LS w/V-10 Engine

I have close to the same truck that you are getting. If you're going
to be doing any appreciable hauling or towing I would suggest getting
the 4.30 rear end. I would only consider going with the 3.73 with the
PSD for towing or hauling since the PSD has roughly 200 ft-lbs. more
usable torque than the V10 does. I've seen magazine tests rating the
rear wheel torque at ~340 ft-lbs. for the V10 and as much as 590
ft-lbs. for the PSD. This makes a big difference in overcoming the
taller 3.73 gears. If you're rarely ever going to be towing a heavy
trailer or hauling any weight then go with the 3.73 ls.

Jim Kauppila


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Subject: FTE 97up - 3.73 LS vs 4.30 LS w/V-10 Engine
Author: at Internet
Date: 11/9/98 5:42 PM


Has anyone test-driven (or own) the SuperDuty F-250 or F-350 with the V-10
engine, automatic trans and the 4.30 LS rear differential gears?? If so,
does the engine wind-out when on the highway at cruising speed?? If you
own the V-10 w/4.30LS, are you happy with it or would you recommend others
to purchase the 3.73 LS gears?? Just want to know if I should change my
order from the 3.73LS to 4.30LS [F-350 SuperDuty / Longbed / V-10 / 4X4 /
automatic / snowplow package / tow package / off-road package / all the
goodies].


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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 08:28:08 -0500
From: Chad Royse
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Buying a '99 F250 -- need help THANK YOU!

I think you may be mistaken. Ford does not put spools in the front or rear. They also don't put locking diffs in them either. The only thing Ford puts in from the factory is limited slip diffs. LS, should allow by design moderate speed differences of each tire. When the weather is bad I leave my hubs locked. I also lock them for a few miles each month just to circulate things around a bit. The only thing minus should be slightly increased wear and slightly less mileage. In my opinion, letting
the front diff sit still for 7 or 8 months (Ohio winters, less than occasional of road) at a time is harder on the front diff and u-joints than an occasional spin. Maybe some one else can shed more light on the subject.

Chad

"Todd E." wrote:

> It is a major mistake to lock the hubs and operate the vehicle that way. The damage that is done to the driveline in 4x4s is caused by locking the hubs and driving on dry pavement. Here's how it works:
>
> With hubs in free or unlocked mode, the wheel is disconnected from the axle and spins freely. If you were to jack up the front of the truck, you could spin one wheel and the other front wheel would do nothing. When you lock the hubs, it connects the wheels to the front axle-differential-driveshaft-transfer-case assembly. In this condition, if you turned one of the front wheels, the other wheel would turn at the same speed. Spinning one wheel spins the axle, the differential gears, the other
> axle, and the drive shaft to the 4 wheel drive transfer case. The front wheels are connected through a locked differential. What this means is that both front wheels will always travel at the same speed, unlike your rear differential-axle, or your everyday car differential-axle.
>
> Operating a vehicle with the hubs locked will cause damage, because when you make turns, the inside wheel travels at a slower speed than the outside wheel. With the hubs locked, the wheels are not allowed to spin at different rates, and pressure builds up in you differential. You can damage your axles, differential, or tires by doing this.
>
> The 4x4 transfer case connects the front drive shaft to the transmission output. When you engage the transfer case, you cause the engine to spin the front drive shaft, which spins the differential gears, which turn the front axles. If the hubs are locked, it will turn the tires, if the hubs are unlocked, the axles will spin freely, doing nothing more than adding a little useless friction and wear to your driveline.

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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 14:23:24 GMT
From: alannorthstar mindspring.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Bed Caps-Bed Liners

On Mon, 9 Nov 1998 23:48:48 -0500, you wrote:

:Does anybody know of a good quality bed cap that can be easily taken off
:when the time comes to haul something tall? My definition of easily is =
to
:be taken off by one person using a simple garage pully system possibly.

I got something by Pace-Edwards call a "roll-top cover". Its
core is slats of aluminum which go across the bed, all belted
together with vinyl -- the thing has a spring-loaded rollup
device at the front of the box, and the top rolls up into that
when you want to carry something taller than the box sides.

It's self-storing, easy to open and close, lockable, and looks
good.

I've only had it for about 3 months, so I can't tell you how
durable it is, but I understand they've been on the market for
some time, and are popular, so they may be a good product.

As to liners, I got a standard bolt-on one, and wish that I had
gotten a Rhino spray-on. But it isn't worth the trouble and
expense to me, now.
Later,
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 09:47:39 -0500
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Picked up my F-350 today!

You seemed to get your F-350 very quickly, which Engine and Rear combination
did you order???

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From: FISHNG1 aol.com
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Cc: SNg1071587 aol.com
Date: Tuesday, November 10, 1998 2:44 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Picked up my F-350 today!


> Ordered my F-350, 4x4, PSD, SC, SRW, LWB, Auto, XLT , ESOF, with every
>option available on 09/16 and it arrived at "Titus Will Ford" on 11/06,
>Friday. Had to wait until today (Mon.) because I had a Rhino bedliner
sprayed
>on. The liner looks great and improves the inside look of the bed (IMHO)
>because I saw it without also. It has the new decal on the door and I like
it
>better than the old style on the front fender.
> I purchased my truck thru Carpoint.com and "Titus Will Ford" in Tacoma,
>Washington state, and dealt with the fleet manager, a gal named Tunya, who
I
>must commend for being very helpful and understanding through out the
process.
>I paid $300 over invoice, but I added about $2000 worth of custom features.
> I am installing "EGR" wheel flares, a fiberglass superstep, bug shield,
and
>having the flares and the lower quarter panels painted tu-tone metallic
>prairie tan to go with my Woodland green as offered on the lariat models.
The
>reason that I did not go with the lariat is because I did not want leather
>seats. Sure wish that the leather would have been an option, along with a
>choice of wheels and larger tires! I also noticed that the wheels on the
>truck are not very shiny as noted on a previous post. Anyone hear why they
>are less shiny?
> Can't wait to tow my Jet-sled this weekend to the river and "Catch and
>Release" a few steelhead. It will be a dream after towing for years with
my
>2.8L C**vy S-10 4x4.
> I will let everyone know if I have any problems, and hope that I don't.
>Keep up the great work all.
> The FishNg1
> Steve Ng, FishNg1 aol.com
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 09:59:28 -0500
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 3.73 LS vs 4.30 LS w/V-10 Engine

The one reason I wanted to get the V-10 with the 3.73 LS, rather than the
PowerStroke (or the V-10 w/4.30 gears) is that I am planning to install a
paxton Supercharger on the V-10. That should increase the torque enough to
be able to tow heavy loads with the 3.73 LS gears, I hope!?!?!? Comments?


Keith

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From: kauppij vfc.com
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, November 10, 1998 8:29 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 3.73 LS vs 4.30 LS w/V-10 Engine


> I have close to the same truck that you are getting. If you're going
> to be doing any appreciable hauling or towing I would suggest getting
> the 4.30 rear end. I would only consider going with the 3.73 with the
> PSD for towing or hauling since the PSD has roughly 200 ft-lbs. more
> usable torque than the V10 does. I've seen magazine tests rating the
> rear wheel torque at ~340 ft-lbs. for the V10 and as much as 590
> ft-lbs. for the PSD. This makes a big difference in overcoming the
> taller 3.73 gears. If you're rarely ever going to be towing a heavy
> trailer or hauling any weight then go with the 3.73 ls.
>
> Jim Kauppila
>
>
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_________________________________
>Subject: FTE 97up - 3.73 LS vs 4.30 LS w/V-10 Engine
>Author: at Internet
>Date: 11/9/98 5:42 PM
>
>
>Has anyone test-driven (or own) the SuperDuty F-250 or F-350 with the V-10
>engine, automatic trans and the 4.30 LS rear differential gears?? If so,
>does the engine wind-out when on the highway at cruising speed?? If you
>own the V-10 w/4.30LS, are you happy with it or would you recommend others
>to purchase the 3.73 LS gears?? Just want to know if I should change my
>order from the 3.73LS to 4.30LS [F-350 SuperDuty / Longbed / V-10 / 4X4 /
>automatic / snowplow package / tow package / off-road package / all the
>goodies].
>
>
>Keith
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 10:10:32 -0500
From: steve semenick
Subject: FTE 97up - torque vs hp

i'm not sure this will help but here goes.
torque is "twisting force" measured at the output shaft in
"foot-pounds". picture this: a lever (1ft in length) is attached to the
output shaft. the shaft can spin but you can tighten a band brake and
engage the lever to the shaft. attached to the other end of the lever
is a bucket you will fill with sand. the idea is to run up the engine,
tighten the band brake till the bucket begins to just lift, than add
sand, till the bucket drops. continue repeating these steps; rev
engine, tighten brake, add sand, till the engine is nearly ready to
stall. the amount of sand in the bucket (say 255#) is your amount of
torque. the rpms read from the tach (2200 rpm) at the point where the
engine was ready to stall, is the other bit of info. that leaves you
with 255 ft-lbs 2200 rpm.
now for HP. 1 HP is equal to 550 lbs-ft/sec. the equation reads:

force*distance/ time=lbs-ft/sec in other words, if you
have some object and it takes 550 lbs of force to move it a distance of
1 foot and you can do this job in 1 second, you've generated 1HP. if it
takes you 2 seconds to do the same job, you've generated .5 HP. if you
plug the numbers into the equation it looks like this:

550 lbs * 1 ft / 1 sec = 550lbs-ft/sec

now as to how torque is related to HP, i'm not sure how to handle that.
but i hope this sheds some light on the subject. steve semenick

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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 06:18:24 -0800
From: "Mcmasters, Evan"
Subject: FTE 97up - Explorer stereo

I have a '98 Explorer with the CD changer but not the mach stereo. Is there
a retro-fit kit to upgrade to the mach stereo or does anyone have
suggestions for upgrading the speakers in a '98 Explorer?
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 11:40:50 -0500
From: "Todd E."
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Buying a '99 F250 -- need help THANK YOU!

If a little circulation is all you're after, just lock one of the hubs, this way everything turns and gets lubricated, but you eliminate any extra wear on the front wheels. If you want, you can alternate which wheel you lock, to spread the wealth around. Just a question, but how many miles do you get out of your tires?

Chad Royse wrote:

> I think you may be mistaken. Ford does not put spools in the front or rear. They also don't put locking diffs in them either. The only thing Ford puts in from the factory is limited slip diffs. LS, should allow by design moderate speed differences of each tire. When the weather is bad I leave my hubs locked. I also lock them for a few miles each month just to circulate things around a bit. The only thing minus should be slightly increased wear and slightly less mileage. In my opinion, letting
> the front diff sit still for 7 or 8 months (Ohio winters, less than occasional of road) at a time is harder on the front diff and u-joints than an occasional spin. Maybe some one else can shed more light on the subject.
>
> Chad
>
> "Todd E." wrote:
>
> > It is a major mistake to lock the hubs and operate the vehicle that way. The damage that is done to the driveline in 4x4s is caused by locking the hubs and driving on dry pavement. Here's how it works:
> >
> > With hubs in free or unlocked mode, the wheel is disconnected from the axle and spins freely. If you were to jack up the front of the truck, you could spin one wheel and the other front wheel would do nothing. When you lock the hubs, it connects the wheels to the front axle-differential-driveshaft-transfer-case assembly. In this condition, if you turned one of the front wheels, the other wheel would turn at the same speed. Spinning one wheel spins the axle, the differential gears, the other
> > axle, and the drive shaft to the 4 wheel drive transfer case. The front wheels are connected through a locked differential. What this means is that both front wheels will always travel at the same speed, unlike your rear differential-axle, or your everyday car differential-axle.
> >
> > Operating a vehicle with the hubs locked will cause damage, because when you make turns, the inside wheel travels at a slower speed than the outside wheel. With the hubs locked, the wheels are not allowed to spin at different rates, and pressure builds up in you differential. You can damage your axles, differential, or tires by doing this.
> >
> > The 4x4 transfer case connects the front drive shaft to the transmission output. When you engage the transfer case, you cause the engine to spin the front drive shaft, which spins the differential gears, which turn the front axles. If the hubs are locked, it will turn the tires, if the hubs are unlocked, the axles will spin freely, doing nothing more than adding a little useless friction and wear to your driveline.
>
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 08:48:11 -0800
From: cfoye baynetworks.com (Chris Foye)
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Explorer stereo

Go to Crutchfield's web page they offer a lot of information regarding
speaker size compatibility and locations as well as stereo upgrades and
such. Quite helpful on the phone as well. I just ordered a new in dash
CD stereo and they through in the tool to take out the stock deck, the
mounting plate and the wiring harness in all their prices, not a bad deal.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.crutchfield.com

Chris


At 06:18 AM 11/10/98 , Mcmasters, Evan wrote...
>I have a '98 Explorer with the CD changer but not the mach stereo. Is there
>a retro-fit kit to upgrade to the mach stereo or does anyone have
>suggestions for upgrading the speakers in a '98 Explorer?
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 08:50:30 -0800
From: George Passidakis
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Buying a '99 F250 -- need help THANK YOU!

>It is a major mistake to lock the hubs and operate the vehicle that way. The damage that is done to the >driveline in 4x4s is caused by locking the hubs and driving on dry pavement.

>Operating a vehicle with the hubs locked will cause damage, because when you make turns, the inside wheel >travels at a slower speed than the outside wheel. With the hubs locked, the wheels are not allowed to spin >at different rates, and pressure builds up in you differential. You can damage your axles, differential, or >tires by doing this.

Ford does NOT install a locking differential in the front Axle of their F-Series trucks. It's not even an option. (I would have ordered it if it was :)

Driving around with the front hubs locked, and the t-case in 2WD, will not damage anything. You will have the extra drag of the axles, front diff and driveshaft spinning but that's it. This is true on hard, dry surfaces and more slippery surfaces too.

DO NOT drive very far on hard, dry surfaces with the hubs locked and the t-case in 4WD. The t-case does not have a differential and could bind up when the front axle needs to travel at a different rate than the rear. (like around a corner)

I have had Detroit Lockers in the front and rear axles of my Jeeps for years and have not had any problems when the hubs are locked and t-case is in 2WD. A locked ARB air locker or Spool will cause the above mentioned problems as it will not allow wheel differentiation.

Hope that helps,

George

Waiting for my F-350 4x4 to be built...2 days down...a lot more to go...
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 09:46:46 -0600
From: "Charles Abraham"
Subject: FTE 97up - ESOF the Right Choice

Dick,

I choose ESOF on my Super Duty for the conveyance and security (perceived or realized) that it provides my wife when she's out on the road and the weather turns ugly. (The weather in northern Illinois in the winter does not always cooperate with the weatherman's forecast.) And the thought of her having to get out of the truck in a snow storm at sub-zero temperatures - in traffic no less, with grand kids in the back seat, to engage manual hubs, is just unthinkable to me. The cost for the option,
$128, is rather a small price to pay, considering the added sense of well being it affords. About ESOP lasting 10 years without acting up, your probably right. But then again what will?

Charles.


Dick Dorff wrote:

> Alex Peyzner wrote:
>
> > One other question I have has to do with the Electronic shift-on-the-fly
> > option. I have heard of a lot of problems people were having and someone
> > told me that this option is still not available from Ford. Can someone
> > confirm that? What are the 4x4 options otherwise? I have never used manual
> > hubs, are they a pain to deal with or are they pretty simple? I am
> > concerned as my SO might be driving the truck at times and let's just say
> > she is not very mechanically inclined. A push of a button is acceptable,
> > but anything more complicated requires a phone call to the home base or
> > on-line instructions :)
>
> Forgive me if this was covered already, but,...the other option as far as I know is all manual: manually locked hubs and manually transfer case engagement. The hubs are locked/unlocked by rotating a dial/switch on the outside of the hub of each front wheel. The transfer case is engaged/disengaged by a shift lever on the floor. Operation of either is simple; turn the dial/switch, or move the shift lever. The only hassle is that you have to get out of the truck to lock/unlock the hubs.
>
> The ESOF problems are to have been fixed from what others, including Nathan I think, have said, so all should be working fine now from the factory. For us, I dropped the ESOF from our order because I don't know for sure that they'll last 10 years without acting up. I don't want to spend money to fix it later, or to get stuck without being able to engage the front drive shaft when it might really be needed. In ESOF, the hubs have a manual override, but there isn't one for the transfer case
> engagement/disengagement.
>
> My wife would really prefer the ESOF, but I think we can work around it by just leaving the hubs locked when we suspect it might be needed. I hope the ride isn't too adversly affected. (I should have test driven one this way; hubs locked + 2 wheel drive. Maybe I still will). That's fine for around the town trips, but I'm not crazy about driving with the hubs locked for hundreds of miles on end on long Winter highway trips, when there's a possibility it might snow along the way (Bronco II's
> handling/steering got noticeably worce/stiffer with hubs locked). If I leave them unlocked, I don't like having to pull off the highway after it has started to snow heavily enough to warrant locking them. Negotiating offramps/onramps is one of the hair-raising parts of driving in snow storms.
>
> What I think would be ideal is the option to have just a way to, from inside the truck, lock/unlock the hubs, still with manual override, and have manual transfer case engagement. I'll probably look into the existence of any aftermarked auto-locking hub mechanisms, perhaps such as the previous Ford trucks had (?). When you engage the trasfer case, the turning of the front axle causes the hubs to lock. To unlock, you have to back-up some number of feet. It solves half the battle anyway. You
> wouldn't have to get out to lock/unlock, but it's still forces you to pull off the highway to unlock the hubs, but at least it wouldn't be during a snow storm anymore.
>
> Anyone have any experience with aftermarket hub auto locking/unlocking mechanisms?
>
> Regards,
>
> Dick Dorff
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 12:02:13 -0500
From: "Sutton, Mike"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - 3.73 LS vs 4.30 LS w/V-10 Engine

Installing a centrifugal supercharger, such as Paxton, Vortech, etc., will
not give you any more power than you already have below 2,500-3,000 rpm's.
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 10:23:46 -0600
From: "Charles Abraham"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Picked up my F-350 today!

Steve,

What differential did you buy on your new truck?

Your relatively short delivery time has all of us waiting in line jealous. Seems
the "fleet" influence had something to do with pushing up your truck's build
schedule. Can anyone get this?

Charles.

FISHNG1 aol.com wrote:

> Ordered my F-350, 4x4, PSD, SC, SRW, LWB, Auto, XLT , ESOF, with every
> option available on 09/16 and it arrived at "Titus Will Ford" on 11/06,
> Friday. Had to wait until today (Mon.) because I had a Rhino bedliner sprayed
> on. The liner looks great and improves the inside look of the bed (IMHO)
> because I saw it without also. It has the new decal on the door and I like it
> better than the old style on the front fender.
> I purchased my truck thru Carpoint.com and "Titus Will Ford" in Tacoma,
> Washington state, and dealt with the fleet manager, a gal named Tunya, who I
> must commend for being very helpful and understanding through out the process.
> I paid $300 over invoice, but I added about $2000 worth of custom features.
> I am installing "EGR" wheel flares, a fiberglass superstep, bug shield, and
> having the flares and the lower quarter panels painted tu-tone metallic
> prairie tan to go with my Woodland green as offered on the lariat models. The
> reason that I did not go with the lariat is because I did not want leather
> seats. Sure wish that the leather would have been an option, along with a
> choice of wheels and larger tires! I also noticed that the wheels on the
> truck are not very shiny as noted on a previous post. Anyone hear why they
> are less shiny?
> Can't wait to tow my Jet-sled this weekend to the river and "Catch and
> Release" a few steelhead. It will be a dream after towing for years with my
> 2.8L C**vy S-10 4x4.
> I will let everyone know if I have any problems, and hope that I don't.
> Keep up the great work all.
> The FishNg1
> Steve Ng, FishNg1 aol.com
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 12:00:40 -0600
From: scott anderson
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - 3.73 LS vs 4.30 LS w/V-10 Engine

>===== Original Message From Keith Veren =====
>The one reason I wanted to get the V-10 with the 3.73 LS, rather than the
>PowerStroke (or the V-10 w/4.30 gears) is that I am planning to install a
>paxton Supercharger on the V-10. That should increase the torque enough to
>be able to tow heavy loads with the 3.73 LS gears, I hope!?!?!? Comments?
>
>
>Keith
>Just wondering why you did not get the PSD then. The PSD will still have
more power than the V10, even with the Paxton on it, it will get much better
fuel mileage, it will be more dependable, and it will last longer.
>-----Original Message-----
>From: kauppij vfc.com
>To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>Date: Tuesday, November 10, 1998 8:29 AM
>Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 3.73 LS vs 4.30 LS w/V-10 Engine
>
>
>> I have close to the same truck that you are getting. If you're going
>> to be doing any appreciable hauling or towing I would suggest getting
>> the 4.30 rear end. I would only consider going with the 3.73 with the
>> PSD for towing or hauling since the PSD has roughly 200 ft-lbs. more
>> usable torque than the V10 does. I've seen magazine tests rating the
>> rear wheel torque at ~340 ft-lbs. for the V10 and as much as 590
>> ft-lbs. for the PSD. This makes a big difference in overcoming the
>> taller 3.73 gears. If you're rarely ever going to be towing a heavy
>> trailer or hauling any weight then go with the 3.73 ls.
>>
>> Jim Kauppila
>>
>>
>>______________________________ Reply Separator
>_________________________________
>>Subject: FTE 97up - 3.73 LS vs 4.30 LS w/V-10 Engine
>>Author: at Internet
>>Date: 11/9/98 5:42 PM
>>
>>
>>Has anyone test-driven (or own) the SuperDuty F-250 or F-350 with the V-10
>>engine, automatic trans and the 4.30 LS rear differential gears?? If so,
>>does the engine wind-out when on the highway at cruising speed?? If you
>>own the V-10 w/4.30LS, are you happy with it or would you recommend others
>>to purchase the 3.73 LS gears?? Just want to know if I should change my
>>order from the 3.73LS to 4.30LS [F-350 SuperDuty / Longbed / V-10 / 4X4 /
>>automatic / snowplow package / tow package / off-road package / all the
>>goodies].
>>
>>
>>Keith
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 10:01:59 -0800
From: "Jose A. Fernandez"
Subject: FTE 97up - ESOF question

Hello,

How do I get a 4x4 SD with ESOF to go into 4xLO without locking the
front hubs? My interest is in getting the low gearing without having to
constantly adjust to/from {pavement, gravel, dirt}.
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 13:23:39 -0500
From: "Hatchell, Henry"
Subject: [none]

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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 12:25:13 -0600
From: scott anderson
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - ESOF question

>===== Original Message From "Jose A. Fernandez"
=====
>Hello,
>
>How do I get a 4x4 SD with ESOF to go into 4xLO without locking the
>front hubs? My interest is in getting the low gearing without having to
>constantly adjust to/from {pavement, gravel, dirt}.
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You can put the 4X4 shifter in 4-Low inside the cab and then keep your hubs in
the "free" position and then you will be in 2-Low. The transfer case will be
in low range, but the front wheels won't be engaged in four-wheel drive.
Driving around in 2-Low all of the time will absolutely kill your gas mileage.
I would suggest swapping your differential gears with some lower ones. This
will still cause your gas mileage to go down, but not near as much as driving
in 2-Low all of the time will.

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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 13:36:54 -0500
From: "Hatchell, Henry"
Subject: [none]

Powerstroke 7.3L that have power chip installed.

I would appreciate response from users of the US Gear power chip for the
97 Ford 7.3L diesel engine. Does it really help as much as shown in
Trailer Life magazine? Is it detremental to the life of the engine?
Miles you have used it? etc. v/r, Henry
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 08:56:03 -0800
From: "Mcmasters, Evan"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Explorer stereo

Excellent tip. Thanks!

> -----Original Message-----
> From: cfoye baynetworks.com [SMTP:cfoye baynetworks.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 1998 10:48 AM
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
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>
> Go to Crutchfield's web page they offer a lot of information regarding
> speaker size compatibility and locations as well as stereo upgrades and
> such. Quite helpful on the phone as well. I just ordered a new in dash
> CD stereo and they through in the tool to take out the stock deck, the
> mounting plate and the wiring harness in all their prices, not a bad deal.
>
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.crutchfield.com
>
> Chris
>
>
> At 06:18 AM 11/10/98 , Mcmasters, Evan wrote...
> >I have a '98 Explorer with the CD changer but not the mach stereo. Is
> there
> >a retro-fit kit to upgrade to the mach stereo or does anyone have
> >suggestions for upgrading the speakers in a '98 Explorer?
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 14:41:14 -0500
From: "Todd E."
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Buying a '99 F250 -- need help THANK YOU!

George Passidakis wrote:

> >It is a major mistake to lock the hubs and operate the vehicle that way. The damage that is done to the >driveline in 4x4s is caused by locking the hubs and driving on dry pavement.
>
> >Operating a vehicle with the hubs locked will cause damage, because when you make turns, the inside wheel >travels at a slower speed than the outside wheel. With the hubs locked, the wheels are not allowed to spin >at different rates, and pressure builds up in you differential. You can damage your axles, differential, or >tires by doing this.
>
> Ford does NOT install a locking differential in the front Axle of their F-Series trucks. It's not even an option. (I would have ordered it if it was :)

> Driving around with the front hubs locked, and the t-case in 2WD, will not damage anything. You will have the extra drag of the axles, front diff and driveshaft spinning but that's it. This is true on hard, dry surfaces and more slippery surfaces too.
>
> DO NOT drive very far on hard, dry surfaces with the hubs locked and the t-case in 4WD. The t-case does not have a differential and could bind up when the front axle needs to travel at a different rate than the rear. (like around a corner)

How would the axles bind if the differentials on the front axle allow slippage?

>
>
> I have had Detroit Lockers in the front and rear axles of my Jeeps for years and have not had any problems when the hubs are locked and t-case is in 2WD. A locked ARB air locker or Spool will cause the above mentioned problems as it will not allow wheel differentiation.
>
> Hope that helps,
>
> George
>
> Waiting for my F-350 4x4 to be built...2 days down...a lot more to go...
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 15:19:44 -0500
From: Chad Royse
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Buying a '99 F250 -- need help THANK YOU!

DON'T DO THAT! You'll were out your limited slip in no time flat! Plus it's hard on the spider gears. My tire wear is normal. I said I only do it about once a month for a mile or two. Also, I never said nor implied I put the transfer case in 4x4. The front tires would barely notice the load.

"Todd E." wrote:

> If a little circulation is all you're after, just lock one of the hubs, this way everything turns and gets lubricated, but you eliminate any extra wear on the front wheels. If you want, you can alternate which wheel you lock, to spread the wealth around. Just a question, but how many miles do you get out of your tires?

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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 12:20:26 -0800
From: George Passidakis
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Buying a '99 F250 -- need help THANK YOU!

>> DO NOT drive very far on hard, dry surfaces with the hubs locked and the t-case in 4WD. The t-case does >>not have a differential and could bind up when the front axle needs to travel at a different rate than the >>rear. (like around a corner)
>
>How would the axles bind if the differentials on the front axle allow slippage?
>

Todd,

In this case, the axles are not binding up, the transfer case is.

The diffs allow wheel to wheel slip(differentiation) on the SAME axle but the driveshaft is always turning and powering at least one wheel on each axle. "Full time" 4WD's or "All wheel drive" vehicles have a differential designed into the transfer case to allow the front wheels to turn at slightlty different rate than the rear wheels. The Ford trucks have "part time" 4WD.

Try it and you should feel it relatively easily. Go into a dry parking lot and lock your hubs if they are the manual type, put the t-case in 4WD and drive very slowly. Begin to turn and you will feel the t-case binding. The steering wheel will not want to turn as easily when this happend. Don't give too much power and don't do this for long. Stop, leave the t-case in 4WD, unlock the front hubs and then try the same turn. Should go much smoother now.

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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 15:32:10 -0500
From: Chad Royse
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Buying a '99 F250 -- need help THANK YOU!

The t-case locks the front and rear axles together so the net speed must be equal. When you turn, the rear wheels track inside of the front wheels and therefore want to turn at a different (slower) speed. AWD systems add a diff in the t-case to allow for speed differentiation there as well.

"Todd E." wrote:

>
>
> How would the axles bind if the differentials on the front axle allow slippage?

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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 15:34:12 -0500
From: wvernon
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Bed Caps-Bed Liners

I wish you well on the 3 to 6 month V10 crew cab. I'm on month 7 and
still am not scheduled for build.

todd wozniak wrote:
>
> Does anybody know of a good quality bed cap that can be easily taken off
> when the time comes to haul something tall? My definition of easily is to
> be taken off by one person using a simple garage pully system possibly.
>
> Also, any info on a good spray-in liner? How long do these liners last?
> Doesn't the material come loose over time and conditions?
>
> Just ordered a 250 SD CC V10 SRW 4x4 was told a delivery of 3- 6 months.
> Hopefully more like three. My wife is pregnant with twins and the truck
> should come in just about that time. This should no doubt serve as an
> escape from diaper patrol from time to time!!!
>
> Thanks to all who post with info and advice, it made it all the more
> confident buying.
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 15:38:04 -0500
From: Chad Royse
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Buying a '99 F250 -- need help THANK YOU!

George or anyone else,

Does Ford still put the Limited Slip in the front? I know on my 97 the LS option mentioned that it was deleted in the front for automatic hubs. On my 99 it didn't say (I have manuals though). So...

Anyone price lockers for the Ford 10.5 and Dana 60 yet?

George Passidakis wrote:

>
> Ford does NOT install a locking differential in the front Axle of their F-Series trucks. It's not even an option. (I would have ordered it if it was :)

> >

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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 12:38:07 -0800
From: "Jose A. Fernandez"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - ESOF question

Thanks for the reply, Scott.

I hope y'all will forgive me for being a little slow in getting a handle
on all this: Does a Super Duty with ESOF have manual selectors on the
front hubs?

By the way, I understand very well that driving with the transfer case
in LOW will severely affect my mileage. I don't drive for any length of
time in LOW. I only do it when I need the gearing advantage -- like
when I'm hauling a heavy load at low speeds. And I sometimes find it
convenient for dialing just the right engine RPM without having to go
too fast or too slow (obviously at slower than highway speeds).

-----Original Message-----
From: scott anderson [SMTP:sma779s mail.smsu.edu]

You can put the 4X4 shifter in 4-Low inside the cab and then keep
your hubs in the "free" position and then you will be in 2-Low. The
transfer case will be in low range, but the front wheels won't be
engaged in four-wheel drive. Driving around in 2-Low all of the
time will absolutely kill your gas mileage. I would suggest
swapping your differential gears with some lower ones. This will
still cause your gas mileage to go down, but not near as much as
driving in 2-Low all of the time will.

> Original Message From "Jose A. Fernandez"
>
> How do I get a 4x4 SD with ESOF to go into 4xLO without
> locking the front hubs? My interest is in getting the low
> gearing without having to constantly adjust to/from {pavement,
> gravel, dirt}.
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 14:05:21 -0700
From: "Kurt Musgrave"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Buying a '99 F250 -- need help THANK YOU!

It hasn't been that many years ago that any kind of front wheel locking hub
was "optional". Many trucks were built without hubs. There is no damage
done by running with the hubs in and the transfer case out. You will find
that the front driveshaft slip joint will wear much longer because it's
turning all the time. Just sits in one place and wears when the hubs are
out. People were amazed back when the big three made the "full times" that
the front shaft didn't wear like "part times".

Kurt.

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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 14:22:19 -0700
From: "Brandt Dennehy"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - ESOF question

Yes, the ESOP SD's have manual selectors on the front hubs. The two
postions are labelled "ON" and "AUTOMATIC".
My question is (I hope it wasn't already explained..if so, I apologize),
with it on automatic mode, what is actually going on? Is the front
driveline/ differential engaged all of the time, or is that only in "on"
mode? I'm confused......

Brandt


- -----Original Message-----
From: Jose A. Fernandez
To: '97up-list ford-trucks.com'
Date: Tuesday, November 10, 1998 2:08 PM
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - ESOF question


>Thanks for the reply, Scott.
>
>I hope y'all will forgive me for being a little slow in getting a handle
>on all this: Does a Super Duty with ESOF have manual selectors on the
>front hubs?
>
>By the way, I understand very well that driving with the transfer case
>in LOW will severely affect my mileage. I don't drive for any length of
>time in LOW. I only do it when I need the gearing advantage -- like
>when I'm hauling a heavy load at low speeds. And I sometimes find it
>convenient for dialing just the right engine RPM without having to go
>too fast or too slow (obviously at slower than highway speeds).
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: scott anderson [SMTP:sma779s mail.smsu.edu]
>
> You can put the 4X4 shifter in 4-Low inside the cab and then keep
> your hubs in the "free" position and then you will be in 2-Low. The
> transfer case will be in low range, but the front wheels won't be
> engaged in four-wheel drive. Driving around in 2-Low all of the
> time will absolutely kill your gas mileage. I would suggest
> swapping your differential gears with some lower ones. This will
> still cause your gas mileage to go down, but not near as much as
> driving in 2-Low all of the time will.
>
> > Original Message From "Jose A. Fernandez"
> >
> > How do I get a 4x4 SD with ESOF to go into 4xLO without
> > locking the front hubs? My interest is in getting the low
> > gearing without having to constantly adjust to/from {pavement,
> > gravel, dirt}.
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 13:27:15 -0800
From: George Passidakis
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Buying a '99 F250 -- need help THANK YOU!

Chad,

Based on the info I found, Ford does not offer a limited slip in the front axle.

Have not checked into lockers yet. I was thinking about ARB's in the future. Don't know if they make them for the Ford 10.5 yet.

George

...only 3 days into the long waiting process for my new PSD...

At 11/10/98 03:38 PM, you wrote:
>George or anyone else,
>
>Does Ford still put the Limited Slip in the front? I know on my 97 the LS option mentioned that it was deleted in the front for automatic hubs. On my 99 it didn't say (I have manuals though). So...
>
>Anyone price lockers for the Ford 10.5 and Dana 60 yet?
>
>George Passidakis wrote:
>
>>
>> Ford does NOT install a locking differential in the front Axle of their F-Series trucks. It's not even an option. (I would have ordered it if it was :)
>
>> >
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 14:32:44 -0700
From: "Brandt Dennehy"
Subject: FTE 97up - Superduty Lariat VS. XLT

I recently purchased a 99' SD F-250 supercab V-10 XLT. Just as somebody
mentioned earlier, I went with the XLT vs. the Lariat ONLY because the
leather seats were not an option. I wanted every other feature, except
those leather seats, especially the temperature gauge on the
ceiling....which brings me to my question....does anybody know if you can
buy a temperature gauge (inside/outside temps.) that has illumintated
numbers, instead of the black digital numbers which have to be illuminated
by green background light (just like a watch)? My father has a temp. gauge
in his Dodge pickup, and it is sooooo handy when the temp is around
freezing. Any input would be appreciated. Thanks.

Brandt

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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 15:32:23 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: FTE 97up - Week #45 commodities

The following commodities (maximum % of vehicles that will get scheduled
with that option) are for the Kansas City region, but should be close to the
national picture.

Windstar-
Quad seats (LX) 22%
SE series 33%
SEL series 8%
CD + Cassette radio 61%

Expedition-
No Control items

Explorer-
4.0L OHV total 25%
5.0L V-8 22%
4.0L SOHC 53%
Deep dish aluminum wheel 25%
Running boards/ Side steps 61%
Dual media radio 53%

Econoline-
6.8L V-10 3%
7.3L PSD 4%
Racks and bins 81%
Dual media radio (58K) 3%
Prem. radio (588) 4%

Ranger
2.5L 12%
3.0L 62%
4.0L 26%
Dual media radio (58K) 19%
4 door supercab 23%
total fixed window (non sliding) 33%
15" deep dish aluminum wheels 25%

F-150/250 LD
4.2L total 47%
4.2L automatic 30%
4.6L 30%
5.4L 23%
CD changer 7%

F-Series Super Duty
5.4L 21%
6.8L 21%
7.3L total 57%
7.3L automatic 39%
total automatic 74%
F-350 DRW pickup 19%
F-350 DRW Chassis cab 4%
F-250/350 SRW 4x4 60%
Total crew cab 18%
Total pickups 85%
Lariat trim 18%
Tutone 24%
CD + Cassette radio (58K) 34%

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.


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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 18:25:25 -0500
From: Michael Ruth
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Superduty Lariat VS. XLT

Brandt Dennehy wrote:
>
> I recently purchased a 99' SD F-250 supercab V-10 XLT. Just as somebody
> mentioned earlier, I went with the XLT vs. the Lariat ONLY because the
> leather seats were not an option. I wanted every other feature, except
> those leather seats, especially the temperature gauge on the
> ceiling...
Brandt,
The Lariat does NOT have a temperature gauge on the ceil or anywhere
else. The features in the overhead console are COMPASS, AVG MPG,
DISTANCE TO EMPTY, and ENGLISH/METRIC conversion. It is very handy, I
like it. Also... YOU CAN get the LARIAT without leather! There is a
company that sells a rear view (INSIDE) mirror with compass,
electrochromatic auto dimming and temperature features... It is made by
Mito Corp 800-433-6486. I am not affiliated with this company, I just
odered one gor my Bronco II because my 99 SD Lariat has an
electrochromatic auto dimming mirror and I really like it.
Mike
Baltimore, MD
99 f-350 SD SC 4X4 Lariat (16k miles)
94 E.B. 4X4 Explorer (22k miles)
89 Bronco II XLT 4X4 (120k miles)
89 Merkur Scorpio (56k miles)
88 Merkur XR4Ti (80k miles)
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 16:32:46 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: FTE 97up - F-Series Super Duty SRW wheels

I noticed in the fiche when I was looking up a spare for a Super Duty that
they list the XLT aluminum wheel as one part number until Sep 13, 1998 and
after that they list a Satin Finish wheels (same style). I hadn't noticed
but they did change the finish.

Nathan Bernard


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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 16:36:21 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: FTE 97up - 5.4L Power Improved head

While I was looking in the parts microfiche I checked into the Power
Improved cyl. head. They list it for F-150 and 250LD, but make no mention
of the SD. This makes me think that it won't be put on this year because
they even list the 5.4L Lightning head and it won't make production until
spring. So I'd guess no power upgrades until 2000 model year. On a side
note, they do list a 5.4L Leaded fuel head (export use). and also make
mention of Lariat LE (Super Crew cab) on various parts (spare tire hanger,
and wheels) so it must be coming soon.


Nathan Bernard
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 17:50:07 -0500
From: wvernon
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Superduty Lariat VS. XLT

B.S. My Lariot has a temperature gage as well as the stuff you
mentioned. You'll be hearing from others who say the same.

Michael Ruth wrote:
>
> Brandt Dennehy wrote:
> >
> > I recently purchased a 99' SD F-250 supercab V-10 XLT. Just as somebody
> > mentioned earlier, I went with the XLT vs. the Lariat ONLY because the
> > leather seats were not an option. I wanted every other feature, except
> > those leather seats, especially the temperature gauge on the
> > ceiling...
> Brandt,
> The Lariat does NOT have a temperature gauge on the ceil or anywhere
> else. The features in the overhead console are COMPASS, AVG MPG,
> DISTANCE TO EMPTY, and ENGLISH/METRIC conversion. It is very handy, I
> like it. Also... YOU CAN get the LARIAT without leather! There is a
> company that sells a rear view (INSIDE) mirror with compass,
> electrochromatic auto dimming and temperature features... It is made by
> Mito Corp 800-433-6486. I am not affiliated with this company, I just
> odered one gor my Bronco II because my 99 SD Lariat has an
> electrochromatic auto dimming mirror and I really like it.
> Mike
> Baltimore, MD
> 99 f-350 SD SC 4X4 Lariat (16k miles)
> 94 E.B. 4X4 Explorer (22k miles)
> 89 Bronco II XLT 4X4 (120k miles)
> 89 Merkur Scorpio (56k miles)
> 88 Merkur XR4Ti (80k miles)
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 15:14:15 -0800
From: cfoye baynetworks.com (Chris Foye)
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Superduty Lariat VS. XLT

There is another company Infinity who have a whole overhead console with
the optional compass etc

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.infinity-products.com/noframes/consoles.htm

Mito also have a web page.
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.mitocorp.com/

Chris

At 03:25 PM 11/10/98 , Michael Ruth wrote...
>Brandt Dennehy wrote:
>>
>> I recently purchased a 99' SD F-250 supercab V-10 XLT. Just as somebody
>> mentioned earlier, I went with the XLT vs. the Lariat ONLY because the
>> leather seats were not an option. I wanted every other feature, except
>> those leather seats, especially the temperature gauge on the
>> ceiling...
>Brandt,
>The Lariat does NOT have a temperature gauge on the ceil or anywhere
>else. The features in the overhead console are COMPASS, AVG MPG,
>DISTANCE TO EMPTY, and ENGLISH/METRIC conversion. It is very handy, I
>like it. Also... YOU CAN get the LARIAT without leather! There is a
>company that sells a rear view (INSIDE) mirror with compass,
>electrochromatic auto dimming and temperature features... It is made by
>Mito Corp 800-433-6486. I am not affiliated with this company, I just
>odered one gor my Bronco II because my 99 SD Lariat has an
>electrochromatic auto dimming mirror and I really like it.
>Mike
>Baltimore, MD
>99 f-350 SD SC 4X4 Lariat (16k miles)
>94 E.B. 4X4 Explorer (22k miles)
>89 Bronco II XLT 4X4 (120k miles)
>89 Merkur Scorpio (56k miles)
>88 Merkur XR4Ti (80k miles)
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 18:37:27 EST
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 3.73 LS vs 4.30 LS w/V-10 Engine

In a message dated 98-11-10 12:17:45 EST, you write:


Installing a centrifugal supercharger, such as Paxton, Vortech, etc., will
not give you any more power than you already have below 2,500-3,000 rpm's.
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well i have to beg to differ on this as i am big into the performance
industry, all depends on which model and effiency of engine.

RS
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 15:51:45 -0800
From: johny
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Superduty Lariat VS. XLT

Radio shack has an indoor/outdoor temp guage that's backlit for about
$16.00 or so.( I have one). (Ok, it has black digital numbers, and is
backlit)

I've seen similar in J.C. Whitney catalogs, but never really
liked the pictures.

On the other extereme there are compass/thermometer
mirrors for about $200 - 300.00. While I've heard it's reliable, it was
kind of "cheesy" based on the price. It was also a bit smaller the the
existing SD mirror by 1-1.5" in length, which I didn't like.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.mitocorp.com/mirror.htm

I've also seen some mirrors in Surburbans and Yukons, that have
an illuminated section in the upper right hand corner, but am not sure
if it is a compass or temp. Need to look a bit closer.

Infinity's product as mentioned elsewhere, is in the $400.00 plus range
when fully loaded.
When asking around with various dealers, they weren't impressed with
the reliability of the electrical components - light mostly were the complaint.

Still looking, but so far the radio shack thing works fine...

And so I'm not complaining about everything, the truck is a blast :-)
SD F350 4x4 XLT SC SRW Short bed PSD auto, and just about everything
else..(including PTO port, and Aux Idle control)..6000+ miles and counting.

- -john

Brandt Dennehy wrote:

> I recently purchased a 99' SD F-250 supercab V-10 XLT. Just as somebody
> mentioned earlier, I went with the XLT vs. the Lariat ONLY because the
> leather seats were not an option. I wanted every other feature, except
> those leather seats, especially the temperature gauge on the
> ceiling....which brings me to my question....does anybody know if you can
> buy a temperature gauge (inside/outside temps.) that has illumintated
> numbers, instead of the black digital numbers which have to be illuminated
> by green background light (just like a watch)? My father has a temp. gauge
> in his Dodge pickup, and it is sooooo handy when the temp is around
> freezing. Any input would be appreciated. Thanks.
>
> Brandt
>
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 19:45:28 -0500
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: FTE 97up - NO Power-Take-Off Provision w/Lariat

I ordered the XLT because The Lariat cannot be ordered with the power
take-off provision. (I don't know why, though).


Keith
- -----Original Message-----
From: wvernon
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, November 10, 1998 6:19 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Superduty Lariat VS. XLT


>B.S. My Lariot has a temperature gage as well as the stuff you
>mentioned. You'll be hearing from others who say the same.
>
>Michael Ruth wrote:
>>
>> Brandt Dennehy wrote:
>> >
>> > I recently purchased a 99' SD F-250 supercab V-10 XLT. Just as
somebody
>> > mentioned earlier, I went with the XLT vs. the Lariat ONLY because the
>> > leather seats were not an option. I wanted every other feature, except
>> > those leather seats, especially the temperature gauge on the
>> > ceiling...
>> Brandt,
>> The Lariat does NOT have a temperature gauge on the ceil or anywhere
>> else. The features in the overhead console are COMPASS, AVG MPG,
>> DISTANCE TO EMPTY, and ENGLISH/METRIC conversion. It is very handy, I
>> like it. Also... YOU CAN get the LARIAT without leather! There is a
>> company that sells a rear view (INSIDE) mirror with compass,
>> electrochromatic auto dimming and temperature features... It is made by
>> Mito Corp 800-433-6486. I am not affiliated with this company, I just
>> odered one gor my Bronco II because my 99 SD Lariat has an
>> electrochromatic auto dimming mirror and I really like it.
>> Mike
>> Baltimore, MD
>> 99 f-350 SD SC 4X4 Lariat (16k miles)
>> 94 E.B. 4X4 Explorer (22k miles)
>> 89 Bronco II XLT 4X4 (120k miles)
>> 89 Merkur Scorpio (56k miles)
>> 88 Merkur XR4Ti (80k miles)
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 18:04:25 -0700
From: "Brandt Dennehy"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Superduty Lariat VS. XLT

Michael Ruth:
According to the dealership I bought my XLT through, I could not get the
Lariat without leather. Some reading material (the Superduty brochure I
believe) said you could get it without leather...which was my first attempt,
but I soon found out otherwise. Anybody else have any input?
- -Brandt


- -----Original Message-----
From: Michael Ruth
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, November 10, 1998 3:54 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Superduty Lariat VS. XLT


>Brandt Dennehy wrote:
>>
>> I recently purchased a 99' SD F-250 supercab V-10 XLT. Just as somebody
>> mentioned earlier, I went with the XLT vs. the Lariat ONLY because the
>> leather seats were not an option. I wanted every other feature, except
>> those leather seats, especially the temperature gauge on the
>> ceiling...
>Brandt,
>The Lariat does NOT have a temperature gauge on the ceil or anywhere
>else. The features in the overhead console are COMPASS, AVG MPG,
>DISTANCE TO EMPTY, and ENGLISH/METRIC conversion. It is very handy, I
>like it. Also... YOU CAN get the LARIAT without leather! There is a
>company that sells a rear view (INSIDE) mirror with compass,
>electrochromatic auto dimming and temperature features... It is made by
>Mito Corp 800-433-6486. I am not affiliated with this company, I just
>odered one gor my Bronco II because my 99 SD Lariat has an
>electrochromatic auto dimming mirror and I really like it.
>Mike
>Baltimore, MD
>99 f-350 SD SC 4X4 Lariat (16k miles)
>94 E.B. 4X4 Explorer (22k miles)
>89 Bronco II XLT 4X4 (120k miles)
>89 Merkur Scorpio (56k miles)
>88 Merkur XR4Ti (80k miles)
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 17:13:41 -0800
From: cfoye baynetworks.com (Chris Foye)
Subject: FTE 97up - Temp/compass discussion

I know some of the Explorers have the digital compass/temperature gauge.
Now, if you were to a wrecked one what components other than the inside and
outside temp sensors would be needed? And where are the temp sensors? if
this were possibly, so as to pull them too in order to get it fully
functional.

Chris




At 03:51 PM 11/10/98 , johny wrote...
>Radio shack has an indoor/outdoor temp guage that's backlit for about
>$16.00 or so.( I have one). (Ok, it has black digital numbers, and is
>backlit)
>
>I've seen similar in J.C. Whitney catalogs, but never really....


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