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97up-list-digest Tuesday, November 10 1998 Volume 01 : Number 273



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 97up - Ford F-150 Nascar
Re: FTE 97up - Re:invoice pricing
Re: FTE 97up - "Invoice Pricing"
FTE 97up - I finally ordered it!!!
Re: FTE 97up - New EPA ruling
FTE 97up - Oil Filter
Re: FTE 97up - SD V-10 Noise & Vibration
Re: FTE 97up - Oil Filter
Re: FTE 97up - SD V-10 Noise & Vibration
Re: FTE 97up - SD V-10 Noise & Vibration
Re: FTE 97up - SD V-10 Noise & Vibration
Re: FTE 97up - I finally ordered it!!!
Re: FTE 97up - SD V-10 Noise & Vibration
FTE 97up - V-10 engine replacement
Re: FTE 97up - SD V-10 Noise & Vibration
Re: FTE 97up - SD V-10 Noise & Vibration
Re: FTE 97up - Oil Filter
Re: FTE 97up - SD V-10 Noise & Vibration
FTE 97up - 3.73 LS vs 4.30 LS w/V-10 Engine
Re: FTE 97up - Sound? Slipping or Transmission
Re: FTE 97up - SD V-10 Noise & Vibration
Re: FTE 97up - SD V-10 Noise & Vibration
FTE 97up - Leaf Spring Recall.
Re: FTE 97up - SD V-10 Noise & Vibration
re: FTE 97up - New '99 F-350 Ordered - How Long to Wait?
FTE 97up - RE: New EPA ruling
FTE 97up - (no subject)
Re: FTE 97up - Buying a '99 F250 -- need help THANK YOU!
FTE 97up - Bed Caps-Bed Liners
Re: FTE 97up - Buying a '99 F250 -- need help THANK YOU!
Re: FTE 97up - Bed Caps-Bed Liners
Re: FTE 97up - Picked up my F-350 today!
FTE 97up - Fwd: Patch?????

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Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 08:11:32 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Ford F-150 Nascar

The Nascar package starts with a XL F-150 Shortbox, adds Stripes, black
wheels, Goodyear Yellow letter tires, Striping, monochromatic black body
(Like STX), 3.73 gear ratio (4.6L only available engine), suspension is
lowered 2 inches, Carpeting is standard, Leather wrapped steering wheel,
Nascar "official truck" embroidered on floor mats and seat backs (cloth
60/40 bench only seat available).

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Jon Berman
To: 97up-list-digest ford-trucks.com
Date: Saturday, November 07, 1998 3:04 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - Ford F-150 Nascar


>Hello,
>I was considering purchasing one of the 1998 special Nascar edition
>F-150s (and then taking off the decals on the bed!). Does anyone have
>one or know how it is different from the standard F-150? The salespeople
>I've spoken with are pretty uninformed, and I can also probably get a
>pretty good price as they are not selling very well.
>
>Thank you,
>Jon
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Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 07:59:52 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re:invoice pricing

Call 1-800-34-Fleet and they can tell you all the rules on Fleet ID #'s

Nathan

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From: Lee Haefele
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Saturday, November 07, 1998 6:28 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - Re:invoice pricing


>This fee varies
>slightly ($125 on a 99 F-150 in KC region) by region and by vehicle
>line.
>There is no way to get out of this fee unless you have a fleet ID (have
>11
>vehicles)."
>
> I have 11 vehicles, what are the other benefits of fleet ID? Next
>problem, Some of these are titled to a Corp, some to me personally (I
>got lots of Ford/Citibank Visa $$$$), some to my wife. If the benefits
>were enough, they could all go in my name as their license plates come
>due. What about unlicensed vehicles, there is usually one leftover
>hanging around, do they all have to be Ford? Can the 11th vehicle be
>the one on order?
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Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 08:01:14 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - "Invoice Pricing"

It is on all vehicles except on CERTAIN fleet orders.

Nathan Bernard

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Date: Saturday, November 07, 1998 10:31 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - "Invoice Pricing"


>I thought the advertising charge only applies to vehicles on the lot and
not
>if you order it. Anyone know for sure?
>
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Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 9:38:28 -0500
From: "Pierre Smith"
Subject: FTE 97up - I finally ordered it!!!

Well, I finally ordered my Expedition. I got the Eddie Bauer with the
towing pack. Like everybody said, I ended up paying the FDAF which was
$270. I'll live with it since I got the price of the vehicle for $100
under invoice. I'm pretty excited! I've been driving my '86 Ranger for 6
months now while I save money. Now I'll be able to carry both of my kids
at the same time:)

A couple of questions for Nathan:

I'm not convinced the dealer was clear on what to put into the order.
Since the 687 preferred equip pack is standard on the Eddie Bauer, is it
necessary to specify it? In other words, could it be ordered without it?
I definitely want it...I didn't realize the A4x4 was a full time traction
control feature. I thought you selected the "set and forget" manually like
regular 4x4 and had 4x2 the rest of the time. Did they change it from
previous years? Does it seem to work ok?...Sure enough: all the
Expeditions had Firestone tires. Oh well:( ... I didn't get the pedal
adjuster. I just won't let a vertically challenged person drive it....The
dealer said that because of Thanksgiving and Christmas factory shutdowns
that it will probably take till the beginning of the year to get it. Does
this sound reasonable? The dealer said he would send me some Ford phone
numbers I can call to track it.

Can't wait!! Thanks.

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Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 08:56:46 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - New EPA ruling

I don't think it will be a big issue on Vans and SUV's as The Windstar and
Explorer are both considered LEV's (low emissions vehicle) this year. I
haven't heard anything about this ruling. The pickups are the ones that
interest me. If they do a break to catch 1/2 tons I'd guess it would be
under and over 8500 GVWR as this is where the EPA mileage ratings stop
(under 8500 gets mileage listed on the window sticker, over 8500 just say
mileage on trucks varies by use so no ratings are given).

Nathan

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From: The Hepburn
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Saturday, November 07, 1998 8:29 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - New EPA ruling


>Maybe Nathan or another dealer can answer this question:
>
>Recently the EPA has said that SUV's, trucks, etc. will have to meet
>the same emissions requirements as cars...what does this mean for
>those of us thinking about buying a new truck? Are the diesel standards
>going to be tightened as well? Should I buy this year instead of
>waiting until I can afford it? Will the F450 and F550 (and I guess
>the upcoming F650) be exempt, being heavier duty trucks?
>
>I'm only interested in diesel, so if anyone can say if the new regs
>will dramatically increase the price of the truck, please let me
>know. I don't have a problem with going with a 450 or 550 if I can
>get around the EPA's iron fist...
>
>Alan Hepburn
>Alan Hepburn.com
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Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 08:13:51 -0800
From: Tim Mattson
Subject: FTE 97up - Oil Filter

I do apologize, in advance, for this somewhat ignorant question.
However, I was attempting to change the oil, for the first time, on my
F-150 (99-xlt 5.4 4x4 off road) but I couldn't locate the oil filter can
someone help me out here?

Thanks
Tim Mattson
tmattson setka.com

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Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 10:58:03 -0700
From: "Brandt Dennehy"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - SD V-10 Noise & Vibration

I have the same truck as you, except for it is a shortbox. I also have the
same increase in loudness/ some vibration at the same RPM range. I just
assumed that it is supposed to be this way. I definitely know exactly what
you are talking about......when I got my truck 2 wks ago, I was a little
worried. How many miles do you have on your truck and did you notice this
right away? Have you inquired about the vibration/noise?

Brandt
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From: Todd E.
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Saturday, November 07, 1998 9:31 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - SD V-10 Noise & Vibration


>To all:
>
>I have noticed a problem with my engine, and would like to know if others
have experienced it, what the cause may be, and what will Ford do about it?
>
>I just got my F-250 SD 6.8L V-10, SC LB 4x4 3.73LS 5spd manual on
Wednesday, I drove it 600 miles since then, and have noticed a problem with
the engine. Engine noise gets extremely loud from 2200 to 2400 rpm with
peek noise occuring at 2250 rpm. With the 3.73 axle and 5th gear, this
occurs between 72-77 mph. The noise and increased vibration occur in all
gears, but its most noticeable in 5th, as the engine spends more time
passing through this rpm range at the higher gears. Another observation to
>go along with this is that if coasting down a hill, and dropping from 2500
rpm through 2200 rpm without applying the gas, their is barely any
noticeable increase in noise or vibration, but when going uphill and pushing
on the gas trying to accelerate up through this range, the noise is
extremely loud, and the vibration is evident. I know this is a problem, and
it really feels like I would be damaging the engine if I maintained speeds
within those rpm ranges, not to mention my hearing. If anyone can
>give me any help it would be appreciated.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Todd
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Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 12:09:34 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Oil Filter

Its on the drivers side just behind the front bumper (look right behind the
fog light).

Nathan Bernard

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From: Tim Mattson
To: '97up'
Date: Monday, November 09, 1998 10:24 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - Oil Filter


>I do apologize, in advance, for this somewhat ignorant question.
>However, I was attempting to change the oil, for the first time, on my
>F-150 (99-xlt 5.4 4x4 off road) but I couldn't locate the oil filter can
>someone help me out here?
>
>Thanks
>Tim Mattson
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Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 13:37:58 -0500
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - SD V-10 Noise & Vibration

Does anyone else on this list have the '99 F-250 or F-350 SuperDuty with
the V-10???
If so, do others notice the noise / vibration problems cited below??

Keith
[Just ordered a '99 F-350 SuperDuty XLT 4X4, Long Bed, V-10, etc., etc.]


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From: Brandt Dennehy
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, November 09, 1998 1:06 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - SD V-10 Noise & Vibration


>I have the same truck as you, except for it is a shortbox. I also have the
>same increase in loudness/ some vibration at the same RPM range. I just
>assumed that it is supposed to be this way. I definitely know exactly what
>you are talking about......when I got my truck 2 wks ago, I was a little
>worried. How many miles do you have on your truck and did you notice this
>right away? Have you inquired about the vibration/noise?
>
>Brandt
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Todd E.
>To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>Date: Saturday, November 07, 1998 9:31 PM
>Subject: FTE 97up - SD V-10 Noise & Vibration
>
>
>>To all:
>>
>>I have noticed a problem with my engine, and would like to know if others
>have experienced it, what the cause may be, and what will Ford do about it?
>>
>>I just got my F-250 SD 6.8L V-10, SC LB 4x4 3.73LS 5spd manual on
>Wednesday, I drove it 600 miles since then, and have noticed a problem with
>the engine. Engine noise gets extremely loud from 2200 to 2400 rpm with
>peek noise occuring at 2250 rpm. With the 3.73 axle and 5th gear, this
>occurs between 72-77 mph. The noise and increased vibration occur in all
>gears, but its most noticeable in 5th, as the engine spends more time
>passing through this rpm range at the higher gears. Another observation to
>>go along with this is that if coasting down a hill, and dropping from 2500
>rpm through 2200 rpm without applying the gas, their is barely any
>noticeable increase in noise or vibration, but when going uphill and
pushing
>on the gas trying to accelerate up through this range, the noise is
>extremely loud, and the vibration is evident. I know this is a problem,
and
>it really feels like I would be damaging the engine if I maintained speeds
>within those rpm ranges, not to mention my hearing. If anyone can
>>give me any help it would be appreciated.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Todd
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Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 14:01:29 -0500
From: Chad Royse
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - SD V-10 Noise & Vibration

I have one. I do notice that at certain speeds it does seem to hit a harmonic.
I can feel the slight vibration in the floorboard. Is that the same thing
you're talking about? Do the V-10's have harmonic balancers on them? I haven't
looked. I know they they're not necessary on some engines.

Chad

Keith Veren wrote:

> Does anyone else on this list have the '99 F-250 or F-350 SuperDuty with
> the V-10???
> If so, do others notice the noise / vibration problems cited below??
>
> Keith
> [Just ordered a '99 F-350 SuperDuty XLT 4X4, Long Bed, V-10, etc., etc.]

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Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 12:20:23 -0600
From: "Charles Abraham"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - SD V-10 Noise & Vibration

I would like to know too, for I'm sitting on a V10 order myself (F250 SD SC SB
V10 Automatic 4x4 3.73LS).

Nathan of Union Auto, anything you can tell us?

Todd indicated a manual transmission, but Brandt didn't say. I ordered an
automatic with my V10 - any automatic owners out there experiencing such a
problem?

Charles.

Keith Veren wrote:

> Does anyone else on this list have the '99 F-250 or F-350 SuperDuty with
> the V-10???
> If so, do others notice the noise / vibration problems cited below??
>
> Keith
> [Just ordered a '99 F-350 SuperDuty XLT 4X4, Long Bed, V-10, etc., etc.]
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brandt Dennehy
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Date: Monday, November 09, 1998 1:06 PM
> Subject: Re: FTE 97up - SD V-10 Noise & Vibration
>
> >I have the same truck as you, except for it is a shortbox. I also have the
> >same increase in loudness/ some vibration at the same RPM range. I just
> >assumed that it is supposed to be this way. I definitely know exactly what
> >you are talking about......when I got my truck 2 wks ago, I was a little
> >worried. How many miles do you have on your truck and did you notice this
> >right away? Have you inquired about the vibration/noise?
> >
> >Brandt
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Todd E.
> >To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> >Date: Saturday, November 07, 1998 9:31 PM
> >Subject: FTE 97up - SD V-10 Noise & Vibration
> >
> >
> >>To all:
> >>
> >>I have noticed a problem with my engine, and would like to know if others
> >have experienced it, what the cause may be, and what will Ford do about it?
> >>
> >>I just got my F-250 SD 6.8L V-10, SC LB 4x4 3.73LS 5spd manual on
> >Wednesday, I drove it 600 miles since then, and have noticed a problem with
> >the engine. Engine noise gets extremely loud from 2200 to 2400 rpm with
> >peek noise occuring at 2250 rpm. With the 3.73 axle and 5th gear, this
> >occurs between 72-77 mph. The noise and increased vibration occur in all
> >gears, but its most noticeable in 5th, as the engine spends more time
> >passing through this rpm range at the higher gears. Another observation to
> >>go along with this is that if coasting down a hill, and dropping from 2500
> >rpm through 2200 rpm without applying the gas, their is barely any
> >noticeable increase in noise or vibration, but when going uphill and
> pushing
> >on the gas trying to accelerate up through this range, the noise is
> >extremely loud, and the vibration is evident. I know this is a problem,
> and
> >it really feels like I would be damaging the engine if I maintained speeds
> >within those rpm ranges, not to mention my hearing. If anyone can
> >>give me any help it would be appreciated.
> >>
> >>Thanks,
> >>
> >>Todd
> >>
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Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 12:51:08 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - I finally ordered it!!!

The 66A option is standard on EB Expedition so it can't be built without it.
As for the 4x4 systems the '97 and '98s had 2wd, a4wd, 4x4 high, 4x4 low,
the 99 doesn't have the 2wd setting just aw4d, 4x4 high and 4x4 low. The
auto setting is a set and forget feature allowing 4x4 to engage (based on
wheel speeds obtained from the ABS sensors) if you start to spin.

Nathan Bernard

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From: Pierre Smith
To: 97up-list-digest ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, November 09, 1998 9:02 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - I finally ordered it!!!


>Well, I finally ordered my Expedition. I got the Eddie Bauer with the
>towing pack. Like everybody said, I ended up paying the FDAF which was
>$270. I'll live with it since I got the price of the vehicle for $100
>under invoice. I'm pretty excited! I've been driving my '86 Ranger for 6
>months now while I save money. Now I'll be able to carry both of my kids
>at the same time:)
>
>A couple of questions for Nathan:
>
>I'm not convinced the dealer was clear on what to put into the order.
>Since the 687 preferred equip pack is standard on the Eddie Bauer, is it
>necessary to specify it? In other words, could it be ordered without it?
>I definitely want it...I didn't realize the A4x4 was a full time traction
>control feature. I thought you selected the "set and forget" manually like
>regular 4x4 and had 4x2 the rest of the time. Did they change it from
>previous years? Does it seem to work ok?...Sure enough: all the
>Expeditions had Firestone tires. Oh well:( ... I didn't get the pedal
>adjuster. I just won't let a vertically challenged person drive it....The
>dealer said that because of Thanksgiving and Christmas factory shutdowns
>that it will probably take till the beginning of the year to get it. Does
>this sound reasonable? The dealer said he would send me some Ford phone
>numbers I can call to track it.
>
>Can't wait!! Thanks.
>
>Pierre
>
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Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 13:16:55 -0700
From: "Scott Watson"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - SD V-10 Noise & Vibration

I have the 99 F-250 SD 4X4 LWB V10 3.73 and haven't noticed any vibration at
any RPM. I usually tune right into the slightest little noise or vibration
on any vehicle so I'm pretty confident that I'm not experiencing it. I do
have an auto tranny and will try to see if it happens in any other gear
through the RPM range specified. I have about 2000 miles on the vehicle
right now and about 500 miles of that has been off road mountain terrain,
lots of 4 wheel hi and low.
I will post a message if I do encounter any problems but so far I'm very
impressed. Ford really leapfrogged the competition with the 99 SD series!!




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Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 14:19:29 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: FTE 97up - V-10 engine replacement

I had one V-10 that started to whistle while it was running. It did this
immediately (12 miles) and if you pulled the dipstick out it would relieve
the pressure and allow the whistle would go away. We guessed a valve cover
PCV valve wasn't drilled out all the way. It had to be something simple and
related to PCV because the engine ran great. We called the Ford hotline
about this and they referred us to the engine plant. When we called the
Windsor plant they told us they haven't had any do this so they didn't want
us to fix it they'd send a complete engine out and they wanted the old one
back immediately to test it out. We got an engine withing 48 hours (via Fed
EX, I never knew you could Fed EX and engine). It was complete to say the
least it had almost everything on it (including coil packs, all wiring, fuel
injectors, and even power steering pump) So we got our first chance to do
anything major to a Super Duty


The mechanic who worked on it hates everything new (including the F-150,
older F-250's, and anything front wheel drive) because they are too tight to
work on. Believe it or not he likes the Super Duty. The grille and
headlight asemblies remove allowing the upper radiator support to be removed
allowing a huge amount of space to work on things. This truck is going to
be great for maintenced. He started at 9:00 AM and drove the truck home
after work at 5:00 so it doesn't take long to do anything to these things.
I doubt Ford will ever call us and tell us what was wrong with the engine
(unless we get another that does it, but I doubt we will) but I can only
imagine that it was something simple.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.


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Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 14:06:29 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - SD V-10 Noise & Vibration

Haven't had any complaints, but I haven't sold any V-10 5 speeds either.
I've sold many auto's and the big comment is how smooth and quiet the V-10
is.

Nathan Bernard

- -----Original Message-----
From: Charles Abraham
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, November 09, 1998 1:45 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - SD V-10 Noise & Vibration


>I would like to know too, for I'm sitting on a V10 order myself (F250 SD SC
SB
>V10 Automatic 4x4 3.73LS).
>
>Nathan of Union Auto, anything you can tell us?
>
>Todd indicated a manual transmission, but Brandt didn't say. I ordered an
>automatic with my V10 - any automatic owners out there experiencing such a
>problem?
>
>Charles.


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Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 13:36:48 -0700
From: "Brandt Dennehy"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - SD V-10 Noise & Vibration

Yes, I also have the manual transmission.
Also, yes Chad, I'm pretty sure that this is the same thing you are
describing also.

Before getting everybody upset, it is not a huge vibration/ sound, but the
engine does get noticably louder at this RPM range. Apparently, the small
vibration that can be felt by my feet on the floor (floorboard), comes from
the engine ?? at first I was concerned about it being the driveline
(thinking it was slightly off balance), but I doubt it now....it is too
small. I have 800 miles on the vehicle and it hasn't gotten better or
worse....it just seems that the engine gives off some vibration at this RPM
range. I must stress that this is not a large vibration. I am very
picky-paranoid, thus I notice everything and assume the worst. Hopefully
Todd E. can elaborate more or maybe he has gotten his truck looked at. I
could do the same I guess, but I'm apparently not concerned enough.

I'm not sure what the harmonic balancers are that Chad was mentioning, but
that is an interesting question. I hope there are other owners out there
that can also elaborate more....maybe it is only with the manual
transmissions??

- --Brandt

- -----Original Message-----
From: Charles Abraham
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, November 09, 1998 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - SD V-10 Noise & Vibration


>I would like to know too, for I'm sitting on a V10 order myself (F250 SD SC
SB
>V10 Automatic 4x4 3.73LS).
>
>Nathan of Union Auto, anything you can tell us?
>
>Todd indicated a manual transmission, but Brandt didn't say. I ordered an
>automatic with my V10 - any automatic owners out there experiencing such a
>problem?
>
>Charles.
>
>Keith Veren wrote:
>
>> Does anyone else on this list have the '99 F-250 or F-350 SuperDuty with
>> the V-10???
>> If so, do others notice the noise / vibration problems cited below??
>>
>> Keith
>> [Just ordered a '99 F-350 SuperDuty XLT 4X4, Long Bed, V-10, etc.,
etc.]
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Brandt Dennehy
>> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>> Date: Monday, November 09, 1998 1:06 PM
>> Subject: Re: FTE 97up - SD V-10 Noise & Vibration
>>
>> >I have the same truck as you, except for it is a shortbox. I also have
the
>> >same increase in loudness/ some vibration at the same RPM range. I just
>> >assumed that it is supposed to be this way. I definitely know exactly
what
>> >you are talking about......when I got my truck 2 wks ago, I was a little
>> >worried. How many miles do you have on your truck and did you notice
this
>> >right away? Have you inquired about the vibration/noise?
>> >
>> >Brandt
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: Todd E.
>> >To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
>> >Date: Saturday, November 07, 1998 9:31 PM
>> >Subject: FTE 97up - SD V-10 Noise & Vibration
>> >
>> >
>> >>To all:
>> >>
>> >>I have noticed a problem with my engine, and would like to know if
others
>> >have experienced it, what the cause may be, and what will Ford do about
it?
>> >>
>> >>I just got my F-250 SD 6.8L V-10, SC LB 4x4 3.73LS 5spd manual on
>> >Wednesday, I drove it 600 miles since then, and have noticed a problem
with
>> >the engine. Engine noise gets extremely loud from 2200 to 2400 rpm with
>> >peek noise occuring at 2250 rpm. With the 3.73 axle and 5th gear, this
>> >occurs between 72-77 mph. The noise and increased vibration occur in
all
>> >gears, but its most noticeable in 5th, as the engine spends more time
>> >passing through this rpm range at the higher gears. Another observation
to
>> >>go along with this is that if coasting down a hill, and dropping from
2500
>> >rpm through 2200 rpm without applying the gas, their is barely any
>> >noticeable increase in noise or vibration, but when going uphill and
>> pushing
>> >on the gas trying to accelerate up through this range, the noise is
>> >extremely loud, and the vibration is evident. I know this is a problem,
>> and
>> >it really feels like I would be damaging the engine if I maintained
speeds
>> >within those rpm ranges, not to mention my hearing. If anyone can
>> >>give me any help it would be appreciated.
>> >>
>> >>Thanks,
>> >>
>> >>Todd
>> >>
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Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 16:13:07 EST
From: LegalImag aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Oil Filter

In a message dated 11/9/98 10:25:46 AM Central Standard Time,
tmattson setka.com writes:


However, I was attempting to change the oil, for the first time, on my
F-150 (99-xlt 5.4 4x4 off road) but I couldn't locate the oil filter can
someone help me out here?

Thanks
Tim Mattson
tmattson setka.com >


I Did the same thing. It is under the front bumper on the drivers side. It
is there because you have an engine oil cooler.

Hope this helps
Scott
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Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 17:23:28 -0500
From: Dick_Dorff baynetworks.com (Dick Dorff)
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - SD V-10 Noise & Vibration

Charles Abraham wrote:

> Todd indicated a manual transmission, but Brandt didn't say. I ordered an
> automatic with my V10 - any automatic owners out there experiencing such a
> problem?
>
> Charles.

Brandt's got a manual as well; it was probably implied when he said "... I've got the same truck except ...".



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Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 17:42:45 -0500
From: "Keith Veren"
Subject: FTE 97up - 3.73 LS vs 4.30 LS w/V-10 Engine

Has anyone test-driven (or own) the SuperDuty F-250 or F-350 with the V-10
engine, automatic trans and the 4.30 LS rear differential gears?? If so,
does the engine wind-out when on the highway at cruising speed?? If you
own the V-10 w/4.30LS, are you happy with it or would you recommend others
to purchase the 3.73 LS gears?? Just want to know if I should change my
order from the 3.73LS to 4.30LS [F-350 SuperDuty / Longbed / V-10 / 4X4 /
automatic / snowplow package / tow package / off-road package / all the
goodies].


Keith

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Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 18:41:24 -0500
From: Mark Lee
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Sound? Slipping or Transmission

I have one with 36,000 miles...no "slipping" sound whatsoever.

Brent Flanders wrote:
>
> We recently purchased a new 1998 Ford Expedition with the 5.4 Triton V8
> engine/accompanying transmission.
>
> Love the vehicle, yet their seems to be a slipping sound coming from the
> rear end of the vehicle when we pull away in certain circumstances (not
> sure if it is always the same circumstance).
>
> Question, does anyone know what this sound is?
> Is this the sound of the transmission engaging, although this is usually
> in 2WD mode?
> Anyone else heard this sound or know what it is?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brent Flanders
>
> Brent Flanders, BS Pharm. 913-491-9825
> Pharmaceutical Consultants, Inc. 888-491-9825 toll free
> 5033 West 117th 913-491-9829 fax
> Leawood, KS 66211 888-491-9829 toll free fax
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Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 19:15:50 -0500
From: "Todd E."
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - SD V-10 Noise & Vibration

I got the truck on Wednesday last week, and drove from Ohio to NJ the next day.
The noise was evident as soon as I hit the interstate and tried doing 72 mph. I
now have 700 miles on the truck, but haven't been on the highway since. The
noise is still there in the lower gears, but, it is most evident in OverDrive
(highway). There is no way this is normal. Another guy had a similar problem
with his 5.4L, Ford is giving him a new truck. I hope thats not the case for
us, but I'll call Ford tomorrow. I also have two other issues,
1. The plastic around the steering column is missing the screws and is loose.
2. This one is kind of humorous, but my truck seems to have a ladybug problem.
First day I got it, I noticed a ladybug in the cab, didn't think anything of
it. Later that day I was checking out the truck, and found about 4 of them
around the passenger side door molding. Since then, everytime I get in the
truck 1-5 will appear from somewhere while driving. At least its only lady
bugs.

I'll let you know what Ford tells me about the noise/vibration problem.

Brandt Dennehy wrote:

> I have the same truck as you, except for it is a shortbox. I also have the
> same increase in loudness/ some vibration at the same RPM range. I just
> assumed that it is supposed to be this way. I definitely know exactly what
> you are talking about......when I got my truck 2 wks ago, I was a little
> worried. How many miles do you have on your truck and did you notice this
> right away? Have you inquired about the vibration/noise?
>
> Brandt
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Todd E.
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Date: Saturday, November 07, 1998 9:31 PM
> Subject: FTE 97up - SD V-10 Noise & Vibration
>
> >To all:
> >
> >I have noticed a problem with my engine, and would like to know if others
> have experienced it, what the cause may be, and what will Ford do about it?
> >
> >I just got my F-250 SD 6.8L V-10, SC LB 4x4 3.73LS 5spd manual on
> Wednesday, I drove it 600 miles since then, and have noticed a problem with
> the engine. Engine noise gets extremely loud from 2200 to 2400 rpm with
> peek noise occuring at 2250 rpm. With the 3.73 axle and 5th gear, this
> occurs between 72-77 mph. The noise and increased vibration occur in all
> gears, but its most noticeable in 5th, as the engine spends more time
> passing through this rpm range at the higher gears. Another observation to
> >go along with this is that if coasting down a hill, and dropping from 2500
> rpm through 2200 rpm without applying the gas, their is barely any
> noticeable increase in noise or vibration, but when going uphill and pushing
> on the gas trying to accelerate up through this range, the noise is
> extremely loud, and the vibration is evident. I know this is a problem, and
> it really feels like I would be damaging the engine if I maintained speeds
> within those rpm ranges, not to mention my hearing. If anyone can
> >give me any help it would be appreciated.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Todd
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Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 19:36:13 -0500
From: "Todd E."
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - SD V-10 Noise & Vibration

Let me elaborate a bit here. The symptom that I am witnessing is more noise
than vibration. In fact its about 90% noise and 10% vibration. The noise I am
hearing is not a mild increase in engine noise, it can be quite severe. In 5th
gear on the highway, when I accelerate up from 2100 rpm to 2250 rpm engine noise
increases to about 3 times as loud as what it was at 2100 rpm. If I continue to
accelerate, the engine noise decreases to a more expected rate at 2400 rpm, and
continues to climb normally from there, though I haven't gone fast enough to
test it at 4500 rpm. I was on the highway, and had quite a bit of time to play
around with the rpm range during my 600 mile trip. There is a vibration
increase in this rpm range, but you have to be looking for it to notice it. The
noise is greatest when the engine is under the greatest load, such as
accelerating up hill. When coasting downhill in this rpm range, there is almost
no increase in noise. The noise is evident in all gears, but it increases in
magnitude with gear, most likely due to the fact that there is less load on the
engine in lower gears and that the engine passes through these rpm ranges more
quickly at lower gears.

There is a harmonic balancer in these engines that runs off the timing chain
along with the overhead cam. I'm beginning to think that the chain is perhaps a
little loose, or the balancer is off from the cam by just a little. That would
explain the cause of the noise and why it increases when the engine is under
load. It could possibly even be the timing chain tensioner. I hope this is the
case, as it should be fairly easy to correct. If not, it could get ugly.

Brandt Dennehy wrote:

> Yes, I also have the manual transmission.
> Also, yes Chad, I'm pretty sure that this is the same thing you are
> describing also.
>
> Before getting everybody upset, it is not a huge vibration/ sound, but the
> engine does get noticably louder at this RPM range. Apparently, the small
> vibration that can be felt by my feet on the floor (floorboard), comes from
> the engine ?? at first I was concerned about it being the driveline
> (thinking it was slightly off balance), but I doubt it now....it is too
> small. I have 800 miles on the vehicle and it hasn't gotten better or
> worse....it just seems that the engine gives off some vibration at this RPM
> range. I must stress that this is not a large vibration. I am very
> picky-paranoid, thus I notice everything and assume the worst. Hopefully
> Todd E. can elaborate more or maybe he has gotten his truck looked at. I
> could do the same I guess, but I'm apparently not concerned enough.
>
> I'm not sure what the harmonic balancers are that Chad was mentioning, but
> that is an interesting question. I hope there are other owners out there
> that can also elaborate more....maybe it is only with the manual
> transmissions??
>
> --Brandt
>
> -----Original Message-----



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Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 19:28:50 -0600
From: "peter lambert"
Subject: FTE 97up - Leaf Spring Recall.

What exactly is the leaf spring recall about and does it affect my '97
Ranger XLT?

Peter

"Keep the rubber side down"
1997 Ranger XLT
1986 Kawaski ZX1000R

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Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 20:52:14 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - SD V-10 Noise & Vibration

Forwarded for: Chad Royse

I forgot to mention that I actually have the automatic. And your right
about it
being small. I really never paid it too much attention, honestly. I just
figured it was a characteristic of the engine that made it a 9.5 rather than a
10 in my book.

A harmonic balancer helps c*ncel any natural resonating frequencies (or their
'harmonics') in the engine.

Brandt Dennehy wrote:

> Yes, I also have the manual transmission.
> Also, yes Chad, I'm pretty sure that this is the same thing you are
> describing also.
>
> Before getting everybody upset, it is not a huge vibration/ sound, but the
> engine does get noticably louder at this RPM range. Apparently, the small
> vibration that can be felt by my feet on the floor (floorboard), comes from
> the engine ?? at first I was concerned about it being the driveline
> (thinking it was slightly off balance), but I doubt it now....it is too
> small. I have 800 miles on the vehicle and it hasn't gotten better or
> worse....it just seems that the engine gives off some vibration at this RPM
> range. I must stress that this is not a large vibration. I am very
> picky-paranoid, thus I notice everything and assume the worst. Hopefully
> Todd E. can elaborate more or maybe he has gotten his truck looked at. I
> could do the same I guess, but I'm apparently not concerned enough.
>
> I'm not sure what the harmonic balancers are that Chad was mentioning, but
> that is an interesting question. I hope there are other owners out there
> that can also elaborate more....maybe it is only with the manual
> transmissions??
>
> --Brandt
>

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Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 21:17:53 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: re: FTE 97up - New '99 F-350 Ordered - How Long to Wait?

Forwarded for: "Union Auto"

If your truck is not scheduled, you don't have a place in line so you can
make changes. If your vehicle is scheduled Ford will tell you if it is OK
or not (if not they won't make the change). Your dealer controls the order
that trucks are lined up in to be scheduled so you should have no problem
making a change. If your adding an option (or deleting) it is just changed
on the order. If your changed PEP codes (XLT to Lariat, etc.. ) or changing
body type (supercab to crew cab, etc..) you'd have to c*ncel your order and
place a new one. If your truck is unscheduled this doesn't affect your
place in line as long as the dealer keeps his priority codes the same.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Keith Veren
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Friday, November 06, 1998 8:32 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - New '99 F-350 Ordered - How Long to Wait?


>This is my first post to this group. I am a long-standing member of the
>Expedition Mailing List since I have a '98 XLT / 5.4L / 3.73 LS / etc.
>Expedition. Anyway, in early October I "speced-out" and ordered a '99
F-350
>Super Duty, SuperCab, Long Wheel Base (8' bed), Single Rear Wheels, V-10
>6.8L Gas Engine, 3.73 Limited Slip, Snow-Plow Package and just about all
the
>other goodies (power trailer-tow mirrors, captain's chairs, lights,
>trailer-tow package, off-road package, etc.). My questions are:
>
>1. Is the V-10 / 3.73 limited slip rear the way to go for general use,
>light snow plowing (my and my family's driveways) and infrequent but
>moderately-heavy (7500 - 9000 lbs.) towing??
>
>2. My dealer told me that the F-350SD w/ V-10s are "backed-up" and that
the
>factories cannot build then fast enough. They said my order might take 3
>months or so before my order is "pulled" to be built. Is this normal for
>the truck I specified when ordered in early October?? [Acton Ford in
>>Concord, Massachusetts].
>
>3. May I still change my order and not affect my place in line?? My
dealer
>says he thinks I can, but is not totally sure.
>
>4. I asked my dealer if it is possible to call someone at Ford to get a
>better idea as to when my truck will get pulled for building and he said it
>cannot be done as far as he knows...is this so??? Is there any way to
>expedite my order??? (my dealer said he ordered it using the
>highest-priority code in the computerized order system).
>
>5. This is just a philosophical question..why are practically all the
>Supercabs I see on the lot "short-beds"?? I asked my dealer and he said
>people who buy "off-the-lot" always buy SuperCabs with short-beds (6.5'
>instead of 8' beds), but people who order SuperCabs (and even CrewCabs)
>always seem to get the "long-bed"?? Doesn't a short-bed significantly
>reduce the usefulness of a pickup since many typical items (e.g., sheets of
>plywood) are 8-feet long)?? Or is the longer wheelbase of a SuperCab w/8"
>bed a real hassle to drive/park??
>
>Thank you all in advance, I just want to get the best pick-up with the
>optimum specifications for my uses and not have to wait 6 months to get
it!!
>
>
>
>Keith
>
>NOTE: This is my 3rd attempt to post, I apologize if more than one copy of
>this gets posted!
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Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 19:06:54 -0600
From: "Bud Feuless & Miki Magara"
Subject: FTE 97up - RE: New EPA ruling

While I don't know about plans from the EPA for diesels in terms of
emissions, other developments actually favor diesel. The U.S. Corporate
Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) regulations currently mandate an average mileage
across all passenger trucks, up to a GVW of 8600 lbs. to be 20.7 mpg.
Proposals in discussion today could put this at 25 mpg by 2007.
Manufacturers are having trouble meeting this standard and can be subjected
to fines across their entire passenger truck production for non-compliance.
Modern diesels are seen by many as one possible solution, which has
something to do with why we will be seeing more 6 cylinder diesels in
smaller trucks in the future and I would not be surprised to see some of the
newer high output 4 cylinders showing up within the decade.

On the emissions side, the big issue at the EPA seems to be Carbon Monoxide.
Diesel engines produce far less CO than their gas counterparts and easily
exceed EPA regulations for gas engines in that area today. Not sure if
there has been a concern raised about Sulfur Dioxide (the source of acid
rain), which diesels have, in the past, been known to produce, but which, I
believe, is also not an issue in modern automotive diesels.

I wonder if you might be thinking about the EPA's plan to have marine
diesels come up to the same emissions standards as automotive diesels, which
have boat manufacturers really worried...?

Regards, Bud



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Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 22:16:04 -0500
From: Scot Evanson
Subject: FTE 97up - (no subject)

Anthony,

Please list some of the details of the recall for those of
us not (yet) affected.

Also, I have burned a quart every 1,500 since new on a 3.0
V-6 Ranger. This does NOT make me a V-6 fan!

Thanks.
SAE

Anthony Ciarfello wrote:
>
> I brought my truck in for the lug net and leaf spring recall. They couldn't
> do either they didn't have the parts. I mentioned about oil burning. they
> said it is normal to burn 1qt every 1000 miles, so at 3000miles It would
> burn 3qts of oil. what does anybody think. also I ran the first 2100miles on
> 2qts of oil before even knowing, hope no harm done to engine, dealer didn't
> prep right
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Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 18:03:49 -0500
From: Dick_Dorff baynetworks.com (Dick Dorff)
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Buying a '99 F250 -- need help THANK YOU!

Alex Peyzner wrote:

> One other question I have has to do with the Electronic shift-on-the-fly
> option. I have heard of a lot of problems people were having and someone
> told me that this option is still not available from Ford. Can someone
> confirm that? What are the 4x4 options otherwise? I have never used manual
> hubs, are they a pain to deal with or are they pretty simple? I am
> concerned as my SO might be driving the truck at times and let's just say
> she is not very mechanically inclined. A push of a button is acceptable,
> but anything more complicated requires a phone call to the home base or
> on-line instructions :)

Forgive me if this was covered already, but,...the other option as far as I know is all manual: manually locked hubs and manually transfer case engagement. The hubs are locked/unlocked by rotating a dial/switch on the outside of the hub of each front wheel. The transfer case is engaged/disengaged by a shift lever on the floor. Operation of either is simple; turn the dial/switch, or move the shift lever. The only hassle is that you have to get out of the truck to lock/unlock the hubs.

The ESOF problems are to have been fixed from what others, including Nathan I think, have said, so all should be working fine now from the factory. For us, I dropped the ESOF from our order because I don't know for sure that they'll last 10 years without acting up. I don't want to spend money to fix it later, or to get stuck without being able to engage the front drive shaft when it might really be needed. In ESOF, the hubs have a manual override, but there isn't one for the transfer case
engagement/disengagement.

My wife would really prefer the ESOF, but I think we can work around it by just leaving the hubs locked when we suspect it might be needed. I hope the ride isn't too adversly affected. (I should have test driven one this way; hubs locked + 2 wheel drive. Maybe I still will). That's fine for around the town trips, but I'm not crazy about driving with the hubs locked for hundreds of miles on end on long Winter highway trips, when there's a possibility it might snow along the way (Bronco II's
handling/steering got noticeably worce/stiffer with hubs locked). If I leave them unlocked, I don't like having to pull off the highway after it has started to snow heavily enough to warrant locking them. Negotiating offramps/onramps is one of the hair-raising parts of driving in snow storms.

What I think would be ideal is the option to have just a way to, from inside the truck, lock/unlock the hubs, still with manual override, and have manual transfer case engagement. I'll probably look into the existence of any aftermarked auto-locking hub mechanisms, perhaps such as the previous Ford trucks had (?). When you engage the trasfer case, the turning of the front axle causes the hubs to lock. To unlock, you have to back-up some number of feet. It solves half the battle anyway. You
wouldn't have to get out to lock/unlock, but it's still forces you to pull off the highway to unlock the hubs, but at least it wouldn't be during a snow storm anymore.

Anyone have any experience with aftermarket hub auto locking/unlocking mechanisms?

Regards,

Dick Dorff

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Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 23:48:48 -0500
From: ywozniak kiwi.dep.anl.gov (todd wozniak)
Subject: FTE 97up - Bed Caps-Bed Liners

Does anybody know of a good quality bed cap that can be easily taken off
when the time comes to haul something tall? My definition of easily is to
be taken off by one person using a simple garage pully system possibly.

Also, any info on a good spray-in liner? How long do these liners last?
Doesn't the material come loose over time and conditions?

Just ordered a 250 SD CC V10 SRW 4x4 was told a delivery of 3- 6 months.
Hopefully more like three. My wife is pregnant with twins and the truck
should come in just about that time. This should no doubt serve as an
escape from diaper patrol from time to time!!!

Thanks to all who post with info and advice, it made it all the more
confident buying.



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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 01:27:49 -0500
From: "Todd E."
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Buying a '99 F250 -- need help THANK YOU!

> The ESOF problems are to have been fixed from what others, including Nathan I think, have said, so all should be working fine now from the factory. For us, I dropped the ESOF from our order because I don't know for sure that they'll last 10 years without acting up. I don't want to spend money to fix it later, or to get stuck without being able to engage the front drive shaft when it might really be needed. In ESOF, the hubs have a manual override, but there isn't one for the transfer case
> engagement/disengagement.
>
> My wife would really prefer the ESOF, but I think we can work around it by just leaving the hubs locked when we suspect it might be needed. I hope the ride isn't too adversly affected. (I should have test driven one this way; hubs locked + 2 wheel drive. Maybe I still will). That's fine for around the town trips, but I'm not crazy about driving with the hubs locked for hundreds of miles on end on long Winter highway trips, when there's a possibility it might snow along the way (Bronco II's
> handling/steering got noticeably worce/stiffer with hubs locked). If I leave them unlocked, I don't like having to pull off the highway after it has started to snow heavily enough to warrant locking them. Negotiating offramps/onramps is one of the hair-raising parts of driving in snow storms.

It is a major mistake to lock the hubs and operate the vehicle that way. The damage that is done to the driveline in 4x4s is caused by locking the hubs and driving on dry pavement. Here's how it works:

With hubs in free or unlocked mode, the wheel is disconnected from the axle and spins freely. If you were to jack up the front of the truck, you could spin one wheel and the other front wheel would do nothing. When you lock the hubs, it connects the wheels to the front axle-differential-driveshaft-transfer-case assembly. In this condition, if you turned one of the front wheels, the other wheel would turn at the same speed. Spinning one wheel spins the axle, the differential gears, the other
axle, and the drive shaft to the 4 wheel drive transfer case. The front wheels are connected through a locked differential. What this means is that both front wheels will always travel at the same speed, unlike your rear differential-axle, or your everyday car differential-axle.

Operating a vehicle with the hubs locked will cause damage, because when you make turns, the inside wheel travels at a slower speed than the outside wheel. With the hubs locked, the wheels are not allowed to spin at different rates, and pressure builds up in you differential. You can damage your axles, differential, or tires by doing this.

The 4x4 transfer case connects the front drive shaft to the transmission output. When you engage the transfer case, you cause the engine to spin the front drive shaft, which spins the differential gears, which turn the front axles. If the hubs are locked, it will turn the tires, if the hubs are unlocked, the axles will spin freely, doing nothing more than adding a little useless friction and wear to your driveline.


> What I think would be ideal is the option to have just a way to, from inside the truck, lock/unlock the hubs, still with manual override, and have manual transfer case engagement. I'll probably look into the existence of any aftermarked auto-locking hub mechanisms, perhaps such as the previous Ford trucks had (?). When you engage the trasfer case, the turning of the front axle causes the hubs to lock. To unlock, you have to back-up some number of feet. It solves half the battle anyway. You
> wouldn't have to get out to lock/unlock, but it's still forces you to pull off the highway to unlock the hubs, but at least it wouldn't be during a snow storm anymore.
>
> Anyone have any experience with aftermarket hub auto locking/unlocking mechanisms?
>
> Regards,
>
> Dick Dorff
>
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 01:40:16 -0500
From: "Todd E."
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Bed Caps-Bed Liners

todd wozniak wrote:

> Does anybody know of a good quality bed cap that can be easily taken off
> when the time comes to haul something tall? My definition of easily is to
> be taken off by one person using a simple garage pully system possibly.

I haven't tried to take off my cap yet, but the garage idea will never work,
as my SD 4x4 will never fit in my garage. Hope your's is taller than mine.
As for caps, the aluminum ones are lighter than the fiberglass caps, but don't
look as good. There are also polymer/plastic caps that are much lighter than
fiberglass, but look the same. I don't know much more about the polymer ones,
just that they are available somewhere. My idea to lift my cap was to slide a
2x4 under the front end and back end of the cap, and use those to lift it off,
by no means a one man job, unless you've got some real tall jack stands.

Spray in liners are guaranteed for life. I don't think you can get that stuff
off if you wanted to. I would think hard about putting it on if you're going
to be using a cap. The reason I say this is that the spray in liners have a
rough surface thats hard to clean, and if you've got a cap, there won't be too
much water collecting on the bed, so rust won't be a major problem. You may
be better off just putting in a rubber mat and/or a sheet of plywood. That
way you would have more flexibility in what you can do. Not to mention
you'll save yourself about $300.

I got a similar vehicle as yours, 'cept its the SuperCab. 3.73 Limited slip
will slow you down, Crewcab will slow you down, V-10 will slow you down. I
got mine in 4.5 months. Good luck.


>
>
> Also, any info on a good spray-in liner? How long do these liners last?
> Doesn't the material come loose over time and conditions?
>
> Just ordered a 250 SD CC V10 SRW 4x4 was told a delivery of 3- 6 months.
> Hopefully more like three. My wife is pregnant with twins and the truck
> should come in just about that time. This should no doubt serve as an
> escape from diaper patrol from time to time!!!
>
> Thanks to all who post with info and advice, it made it all the more
> confident buying.
>
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 02:43:30 EST
From: FISHNG1 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Picked up my F-350 today!

Ordered my F-350, 4x4, PSD, SC, SRW, LWB, Auto, XLT , ESOF, with every
option available on 09/16 and it arrived at "Titus Will Ford" on 11/06,
Friday. Had to wait until today (Mon.) because I had a Rhino bedliner sprayed
on. The liner looks great and improves the inside look of the bed (IMHO)
because I saw it without also. It has the new decal on the door and I like it
better than the old style on the front fender.
I purchased my truck thru Carpoint.com and "Titus Will Ford" in Tacoma,
Washington state, and dealt with the fleet manager, a gal named Tunya, who I
must commend for being very helpful and understanding through out the process.
I paid $300 over invoice, but I added about $2000 worth of custom features.
I am installing "EGR" wheel flares, a fiberglass superstep, bug shield, and
having the flares and the lower quarter panels painted tu-tone metallic
prairie tan to go with my Woodland green as offered on the lariat models. The
reason that I did not go with the lariat is because I did not want leather
seats. Sure wish that the leather would have been an option, along with a
choice of wheels and larger tires! I also noticed that the wheels on the
truck are not very shiny as noted on a previous post. Anyone hear why they
are less shiny?
Can't wait to tow my Jet-sled this weekend to the river and "Catch and....


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