97up-list-digest Monday, November 9 1998 Volume 01 : Number 272



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In this issue:

FTE 97up - Re: The Tire vs Speedo issue
FTE 97up - ADMIN: Web site updates
Re: FTE 97up - recall and oil burning
Re: FTE 97up - recall and oil burning
Re: FTE 97up - recall and oil burning
FTE 97up - Regional maintanance shop
FTE 97up - Personalized Tag
Re: FTE 97up - recall and oil burning
Re: FTE 97up - New EPA ruling
FTE 97up - Re: Bigger Tires
FTE 97up - Sound? Slipping or Transmission
Re: FTE 97up - Sound? Slipping or Transmission
FTE 97up - RE: recall and oil burning
Re: FTE 97up - Sound? Slipping or Transmission
Re: FTE 97up - RE: recall and oil burning

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Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 08:42:35 -0500
From: Lee Haefele
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: The Tire vs Speedo issue

Let us make this the last post on this one....My qualifications: 1970
won honorable mention: Actuarial Society Math contest, 1975 Grade of 4.0
on Calculus 1 & 2, Physics I.
OK on to the subject: If you put bigger tires on a truck...Drive down
the road with the speedo reading the same...You will be going FASTER
than you were before you changed the tires, so your speedo reads
"SLOW". The speedo has no knowledge of tire size, it just measures
driveshaft speed, possibly wheel speed with some ABS systems. (It has no
way to measure actual speed.)
You will also be going FARTHER than your odometer reads, so it is
reading "LOW".
You may experience "lower" gas mileage, some or all of this may be
odometer error, remember, you went FARTHER than the odo says.
Lee Haefele
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Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 09:22:58 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 97up - ADMIN: Web site updates

- -Links sections have been added to.
- -Pictorial has had many pictures added. Pictorial main pages split
up because they were getting quite large.


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Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 14:51:18 GMT
From: alannorthstar mindspring.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - recall and oil burning

I can't believe ANY new engine should burn any measurable oil!

Burning 1 qt. in 1,000 miles used to be the measure that your
old, worn-out engine was ready for a major overhaul, or to be
scrapped!

Unless, there is some truck thing I've never heard of. . .??

Later,
Alan


On Sat, 7 Nov 1998 23:45:55 -0500, you wrote:

:I brought my truck in for the lug net and leaf spring recall. They =
couldn't
:do either they didn't have the parts. I mentioned about oil burning. =
they
:said it is normal to burn 1qt every 1000 miles, so at 3000miles It would
:burn 3qts of oil. what does anybody think. also I ran the first =
2100miles on
:2qts of oil before even knowing, hope no harm done to engine, dealer =
didn't
:prep right
:
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Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 09:57:51 -0600
From: "peter lambert"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - recall and oil burning

Is the leaf spring recall applicable to '97 Ranger XLT's in Canada?

Peter

"Keep the rubber side down"
1997 Ranger XLT
1986 Kawaski ZX1000R
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From: alannorthstar mindspring.com
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Sunday, November 08, 1998 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - recall and oil burning


I can't believe ANY new engine should burn any measurable oil!

Burning 1 qt. in 1,000 miles used to be the measure that your
old, worn-out engine was ready for a major overhaul, or to be
scrapped!

Unless, there is some truck thing I've never heard of. . .??

Later,
Alan


On Sat, 7 Nov 1998 23:45:55 -0500, you wrote:

:I brought my truck in for the lug net and leaf spring recall. They couldn't
:do either they didn't have the parts. I mentioned about oil burning. they
:said it is normal to burn 1qt every 1000 miles, so at 3000miles It would
:burn 3qts of oil. what does anybody think. also I ran the first 2100miles
on
:2qts of oil before even knowing, hope no harm done to engine, dealer didn't
:prep right
:
:
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Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 08:26:14 -0800
From: "Michael D. Sheridan"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - recall and oil burning

alannorthstar mindspring.com wrote:
>
> I can't believe ANY new engine should burn any measurable oil!
>
> Burning 1 qt. in 1,000 miles used to be the measure that your
> old, worn-out engine was ready for a major overhaul, or to be
> scrapped!
>
> Unless, there is some truck thing I've never heard of. . .??
>
> Later,
> Alan
>
> On Sat, 7 Nov 1998 23:45:55 -0500, you wrote:
>
> :I brought my truck in for the lug net and leaf spring recall. They couldn't
> :do either they didn't have the parts. I mentioned about oil burning. they
> :said it is normal to burn 1qt every 1000 miles, so at 3000miles It would
> :burn 3qts of oil. what does anybody think. also I ran the first 2100miles on
> :2qts of oil before even knowing, hope no harm done to engine, dealer didn't
> :prep right
> :
> :
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Folks:

Just for what it might be worth I have been renting new Taurus
and Sable cars for about 10 years and must have had over 50 of them
in that period of time at least as I rent by the month and am
entitled to a new car every month if I so desire.

Never with all the Sable and Taurus cars (All of which had V6s)
did any ever burn a quart of oil in 1000 miles. Perhaps after
6 or 7000 miles one or another of them might have burned a quart
but that's the worst I have ever had happen.

Michael
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Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 12:59:22 -0600
From: Dan Prescher
Subject: FTE 97up - Regional maintanance shop

I'm looking for the best Ford maintenance shop in the Eastern
Nebraska-Western Iowa area. Any suggestions?
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Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 14:24:24 -0600
From: "Jack"
Subject: FTE 97up - Personalized Tag

Check out my new tag.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.aol.com/hjbowell/truck.htm#tag

Jack



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Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 16:46:14 EST
From: ROBBCWZ aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - recall and oil burning

In a message dated 11/7/98 10:55:58 PM Central Standard Time,
tc73 nycap.rr.com writes:


do either they didn't have the parts. I mentioned about oil burning. they
said it is normal to burn 1qt every 1000 miles, so at 3000miles It would
burn 3qts of oil. what does anybody think. also I ran the first 2100miles on
2qts of oil before even knowing, hope no harm done to engine, dealer didn't
prep right >>

While agreeing that 1 qt/ 1,000 miles is rediculous, I think that running 2100
miles and never checking the oil is pretty dumb also. It probably means that
you didn't check any of the other fluids either! A new engine will (or
should) burn a little oil during it's break-in period and so it makes sense to
check your fluids frequently during the first 1,000 miles or so. I would
never trust anyone's word that there is oil in anything - I want to verify it
myself. After 2,100 miles don't blame the dealer; look in a mirror and blame
yourself. If you don't check the oil, it probably means that you don't check
tires, etc., etc., either - it's kind of scary that you're allowed out on
the roads............
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Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 17:24:16 -0500
From: "Paul Rider"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - New EPA ruling

The article I read said that what they are doing is raising the weight of
vehicle that is exempted, resulting in most mini-vans, pickups & SUVs
falling within the range requiring the same emissions standards as cars. In
other words, "light trucks" would now be in the same class as cars for
emission standards. I think the new weight break point is to be 8,000 lbs.

Peace,
Paul in Huber Heights, Ohio
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>Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 18:18:43 -0800
>From: The Hepburn
>Subject: FTE 97up - New EPA ruling
>
>Maybe Nathan or another dealer can answer this question:
>
>Recently the EPA has said that SUV's, trucks, etc. will have to meet
>the same emissions requirements as cars...what does this mean for
>those of us thinking about buying a new truck? Are the diesel standards
>going to be tightened as well? Should I buy this year instead of
>waiting until I can afford it? Will the F450 and F550 (and I guess
>the upcoming F650) be exempt, being heavier duty trucks?

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Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 16:40:25 PST
From: "Jay Bramble"
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Bigger Tires

I have a 97 F-150 4X4, Stepside, SuperCab, with the 4.6L V8. Could not
get the 5.4L when I bought the truck.

I bought this beautiful beast in April of 96. I love my truck, you
could not give me a Chevy.... and I puke on Jap trucks....
One of the things wrong with the 4X4 is the Goodyear RT/S Tires. They
SUCK. They were too small for the 4X4 and they wore out after 15000
Miles. Should have never been put on the truck.

So I went looking for new and bigger tires. No one in my area
(Norfolk/Va Beach) could tell me how just how large a tire I could
SAFELY put on my truck. Not even the factory... they build them here
you know....

The RT/S's that were on the truck were 30" tires (265 70R/16). What I
found out that you can SAFELY put a 305 70/R16 under there. Thats a 33"
tire. Buy safely I mean full suspension travel, steering from lock to
lock with out the tire hitting anything and the tire not coming off of
the rim because it is too wide. The tires I put on ARE 2" wider.

Yes Virginia, You speedometer will be off. How much, well if you do
the math (Geometry equations) going from a 30" to a 33" tire will make
your speedometer slow by 5.5 MPH. Since the engine computer and the
powertrain computer base's all of there calculations from the VSS sensor
located
on the rear of the transfer case, (transmission on non 4X4's) they are
using the driveshaft RPM not truck speed. Your shift points will also
be a little different. Now running at 70MPH, my tach shows 1900 rpm,
but mileage based on the INDICATED ODOMETER reading is now around 15mpg.
Remember you are not putting as much INDICATED mileage on the truck, so
you
WILL show a fuel consumption increase. Doing the math again, fuel
consumption only dropped off my .3 MPG. Not bad......
The tires I bought you ask, Not the BFG's Goodyear AT/S.

Less expensive ($130.00 a tire), better Offroad tire, less road noise
and better ride than on the BFG's, Since that is one of the selling
points of the F-150/250 LD truck is ride quality.... If you dont
believe all that, just go look at them.

I don't spin or slide anymore, on or off road. Even in 8" of mud.......
Oh, I have 20000 miles on them and they look brand new.....no
appreciable wear..







"Remember, It's better to be JUDGED by 12, than CARRIED by 6"

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Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 19:54:47 -0600
From: Brent Flanders
Subject: FTE 97up - Sound? Slipping or Transmission

We recently purchased a new 1998 Ford Expedition with the 5.4 Triton V8
engine/accompanying transmission.

Love the vehicle, yet their seems to be a slipping sound coming from the
rear end of the vehicle when we pull away in certain circumstances (not
sure if it is always the same circumstance).

Question, does anyone know what this sound is?
Is this the sound of the transmission engaging, although this is usually
in 2WD mode?
Anyone else heard this sound or know what it is?


Thanks,

Brent Flanders

Brent Flanders, BS Pharm. 913-491-9825
Pharmaceutical Consultants, Inc. 888-491-9825 toll free
5033 West 117th 913-491-9829 fax
Leawood, KS 66211 888-491-9829 toll free fax

brent pharmconsult.com

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Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 18:10:45 -0800
From: "Alan Wilson"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Sound? Slipping or Transmission

What does slipping sound like?

Brent Flanders wrote:

> We recently purchased a new 1998 Ford Expedition with the 5.4 Triton V8
> engine/accompanying transmission.
>
> Love the vehicle, yet their seems to be a slipping sound coming from the
> rear end of the vehicle when we pull away in certain circumstances (not
> sure if it is always the same circumstance).
>
> Question, does anyone know what this sound is?
> Is this the sound of the transmission engaging, although this is usually
> in 2WD mode?
> Anyone else heard this sound or know what it is?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brent Flanders
>
> Brent Flanders, BS Pharm. 913-491-9825
> Pharmaceutical Consultants, Inc. 888-491-9825 toll free
> 5033 West 117th 913-491-9829 fax
> Leawood, KS 66211 888-491-9829 toll free fax
>
> brent pharmconsult.com
>
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Alan Wilson
x3750


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Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 20:35:44 -0600
From: "Ronald R. Palmer"
Subject: FTE 97up - RE: recall and oil burning

Hi Anthony

I had this exact same prblem with a GMC truck that I previously owned. At
1900 miles the engine in the truck had to be changed becaue of a knock in
the engine. Although, I was pretty P.O'd, I accepted the fact that maybe i
just got a bad one. The dealer replaced the engine and everything was fine
for a while. I was taking the truck to the dealer to have the oil changed,
aand at about 17,000 miles it was getting close to change time. I popped
the hood and pulled the dipstick, NO OIL ON THE STICK. I thought the dealer
shorted me some oil on my last change, so I changed it myself. 3000 miles
later, same thing..... I took the truck to the dealer and complained. The
dealer performed an oil consumtion test, and found that it was using 1qt
every 1000 miles, and under GM specs was normal. BULLC**P!!!!! I complained
to every person I could get in touch with at GM, but no satisfaction.
Finally I got tired of fighting with them, and traded the truck. I have no
way of proving it, but I do believe the replacement engine that they put in
it was a "rebuild" rather than a factory fresh engine.

I think 1QT every 1000 miles is excessive oil use.

I have had my F150 for about 3 mos, and 4000 miles, no oile use yet.

Sorry for the long post.....just thought I would share my story.

Ron

On Sunday, November 08, 1998 5:14 AM, 97up-list-digest
[SMTP:owner-97up-list-digest ford-trucks.com] wrote:
> Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 23:45:55 -0500
> From: "Anthony Ciarfello"
> Subject: FTE 97up - recall and oil burning
>
> I brought my truck in for the lug net and leaf spring recall. They
couldn't
> do either they didn't have the parts. I mentioned about oil burning. they
> said it is normal to burn 1qt every 1000 miles, so at 3000miles It would
> burn 3qts of oil. what does anybody think. also I ran the first 2100miles
on
> 2qts of oil before even knowing, hope no harm done to engine, dealer
didn't
> prep right
>
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Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 18:56:56 -0800
From: Ken Peterson
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Sound? Slipping or Transmission

>Love the vehicle, yet their seems to be a slipping sound coming from the
>rear end of the vehicle when we pull away in certain circumstances (not
>sure if it is always the same circumstance).

Did you buy the vehicle with rear anti-slip differential? Are your
"pull-away" experiences in a straight line, or while turning, say entering
a street from a driveway?

A mild shudder when cold is common in the antislip mechanism, as it is
trying to keep the two wheels turning at the same rate while you apply
power, but your turn requires the inner tire to rotate more slowly. The
slipping clutches in the diff can shudder a bit -- usually goes away with a
bit of driving, and it doesn't happen in straight-line driving.

(Also, a vigorous turn into traffic can cause the inner-rear wheel to try
to spin on the pavement, and squeal a bit or kick gravel. Real fun in the
wet!

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Ken Peterson, Portland, OR
1998 F-250LD Lariat, extended cab, short bed, 4X2, 5.4l, class-3 tow options
LT245X16/steel rims, 4W disks + ABS, load-leveling rear suspension.
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Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 19:07:54 -0800
From: "Alan Wilson"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - RE: recall and oil burning

>From what I hear 1 Quart every thousand miles is normal. If you want to burn
less you can always go up to a heavier weight oil.....


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