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In this issue:

FTE 97up - Re: 99 F250 - Need Help
Re: FTE 97up - V10 + 3.73 or 4.30?
FTE 97up - Which axel??
RE: FTE 97up - Which axel??
Re: FTE 97up - PSD exhaust
Re: FTE 97up - V10 + 3.73 or 4.30?
Re: FTE 97up - Which axel??
FTE 97up - Urgent
RE: FTE 97up - Urgent
Re: FTE 97up - Urgent
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FTE 97up - Re:Buying a '99 F250 -- need help
FTE 97up - Re:Buying a '99 F250 --
Re: FTE 97up - Urgent
Re: FTE 97up - Re:Buying a '99 F250 --
Re: FTE 97up - Urgent
RE: FTE 97up - Re:Buying a '99 F250 -- need help
Re: FTE 97up - Urgent
FTE 97up - Buying a '99 F250 -- need help THANK YOU!
Re: FTE 97up - Urgent
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Re: FTE 97up - Re:Buying a '99 F250 -- need help
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Re: FTE 97up - Urgent
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RE: FTE 97up - Re:Buying a '99 F250 --
Re: FTE 97up - Which axel??
Re: FTE 97up - Urgent
Re: FTE 97up - Re:Buying a '99 F250 --

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Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 07:44:24 -0500
From: Gary & Nancy Brinck
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: 99 F250 - Need Help

I have a 99 F250 SD Powerstroke automatic with 3.73 LS axle and easily tow a 5 ton
fifth wheel trailer. Believe me, you won't need the 4.10 axle unless you are towing
something considerably heavier. Mileage is 19 solo, 12 towing, far, far better than
the V10! But the diesel is noisy and with the 158" wheelbase, the 8 ft bed model is
a bear to maneuver in mall parking lots. Get a short bed unless you really need the
long bed. Alex didn't say whether he wanted the Light Duty or Superduty F250, but
the LD V8 is fine for what he wants to do and it has the improved V8 and will
ride/handle much better than the SD. According to Truck Trend, the improved V8 is
not yet available in the SD.
Gary


Todd E. wrote:
> The weights you sound like you plan on
> pulling are medium weights. Have you considered getting the diesel? The best
> combination for you would probably be the Powerstroke diesel with the 4.10 LS
> and 6 speed stick. Diesel gets better mileage, especially when towing, but has
> a high upfront cost. It is also more powerful for towing.
>
Gary Brinck
in Florida's Ocala Nat'l Forest
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Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 07:51:13 EST
From: JPatte5238 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - V10 + 3.73 or 4.30?

Dick,

Whats wrong with you?


John Patterson
1999 F250 Powerstroke 3:73
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Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 7:54:41 -0500
From: "Pierre Smith"
Subject: FTE 97up - Which axel??

Nathan (or anybody who knows the answer):

It's unclear from all the various Web pages as to the standard axle on the
'99 Expedition Eddie Bauer 4WD. Is the 3.73 limited slip standard? Is it
true that a 3.55 limited slip is available as an option? Since I rarely
plan on towing, wouldn't the 3.55 give me better gas mileage? I definately
want limited slip in some configuration.

Also, it seems as if the power adjustable pedals are in short supply. How
long are orders taking with/without the the adjustable pedals? (My wife is
5'6", will she need the adjustable foot pedals?)

Finally ordering this weekend, but want to do it right.

Thanks.

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Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 09:13:50 -0500
From: "Sutton, Mike"
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Which axel??

I would definitely choose the 3.73 if you are going to get the 4x4. I have
a 98 F150 4x4 ext cab off road with the 3.55 ls rear. I think that this is
too tall a gear for driving without towing. With the stock tires I am only
running 2,000 rpm's at 75 mph, and obviously much lower at 55. Most of my
driving is in the 45-65mph range, where my truck is forced to downshift on
even moderate hills, just to maintain my speed. Because of this, I spend a
lot of time with the transmission overdrive off. I would be willing to bet
that the 3.73 rear would actually improve your average gas milage.

Regards,
Mike Sutton
mike.sutton gsc.gte.com

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Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 07:42:10 -0800
From: Dave Conde
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - PSD exhaust

John, although tough to say exactly how restrictive it is, it's
certainly worth mentioning that the rest of the exhaust system
after the down-tube is significantly restrictive. Case in
point... I have removed everything after the down-tube
(catalytic, muffler, tail pipe) on my '95 PSD, and replaced it
with a 6 foot section of 3.5" pipe that exits in front of the
right rear wheel. The results were immediately apparent. Max
boost went from 15psi to 21-22psi, showcasing how much
back-pressure that "extra" plumbing adds, but also drastically
improved throttle response right off idle. Of course it now
revs out longer and stronger, but this part of the power band is
used more for fun than towing or work duty. Oh, BTW, it did
also reduce temp. of gases exiting the turbo by about 100 deg.

Dave Conde dconde incyte.com


> Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 10:15:01 -0800
> From: johny
> Subject: Re: FTE 97up - banks stinger
>
> Yes, the 99 down pipe is different from the 97 PSD's.
> Will it offer any measurable improvement? Probably not for a
> 99, although it will lighten your wallet :-).
>
> I don't have a 97, but I do have a 99. The 99 downpipe is
> about 3.5" diameter from the turbo, all the way back
> to the tail pipe. Even the catalytic converter has been reported not
> to be too restrictive. At most, it appears to enhance the
> exhaust note, when removed/gutted.
>
> The down pipe on the 97 is highly restrictive, and compresses down
> to 1 - 1.5" or so. The exhaust temps are higher in stock form as
> well, under equally loaded conditions.
>
> And while we are at it, the 99 has an intercooler (aftercooler for the picky
> :-)),
> that helps keep the input air temps lower (better performance and
> better emissions).
>
> - -john
>
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Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 11:42:59 -0500
From: Dick_Dorff baynetworks.com (Dick Dorff)
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - V10 + 3.73 or 4.30?

JPatte5238 aol.com wrote:

> Dick,
>
> Whats wrong with you?
>
> John Patterson
> 1999 F250 Powerstroke 3:73

Apparently, I have too little tolerance for falsehoods. I'll work on it. Beyond that, there's tons wrong with me, and I don't mind being at least somewhat accurately chastised for any of it.

With all due respect, I dont see how your question is supposed to help. I suspect the intent is not really to get that entire list, but is rather an attempt to constructively point out to me a couple of my particular problems. My guess being either, 1) My reply was far too lengthy than was neccessary, 2) The reply was completely unneccessary because the accusations were correct, or because it went without saying that they were incorrect, 3) That the nature of my reply was too harsh,
inappropriate, or unconstructive, or 4) Some combination of the above.

Well, I realized that all those were possiblities at the time of writing. However, after re-reading the accusatory message many times, taking many steps back, and deep breaths, spanning weekends, and making many revisions to what was written, I still could not let the wrecklessness of that message go unchecked. There were so many incorrect statements and instances of "putting words in my mouth", it had to be addressed, logically, line by line.

I already apologized, in the message, for its length. Please let me know where else I've gone wrong and I'll apologize for that too, if it'll get this mess behind us. I really have neither enjoyed, nor had time for this little detour.

Dick Dorff.




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Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 07:40:29 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Which axel??

The 5.4L gets (or needs) the 3.73 Limited slip. The 3.55 LS is for the
4.6L. I'd wait for the power pedals they are nicer than I thought they
would be.

Nathan

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From: Pierre Smith
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Date: Thursday, November 05, 1998 7:14 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - Which axel??


>Nathan (or anybody who knows the answer):
>
>It's unclear from all the various Web pages as to the standard axle on the
>'99 Expedition Eddie Bauer 4WD. Is the 3.73 limited slip standard? Is it
>true that a 3.55 limited slip is available as an option? Since I rarely
>plan on towing, wouldn't the 3.55 give me better gas mileage? I definately
>want limited slip in some configuration.
>
>Also, it seems as if the power adjustable pedals are in short supply. How
>long are orders taking with/without the the adjustable pedals? (My wife is
>5'6", will she need the adjustable foot pedals?)
>
>Finally ordering this weekend, but want to do it right.
>
>Thanks.
>
>Pierre
>
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Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 10:59:18 -0700
From: "Brandt Dennehy"
Subject: FTE 97up - Urgent

I just bought a 1999 Ford F-250 Superduty Supercab 4x4 with the V-10 engine
and 3.73 ratio. The tires look small on it (235/R85). I would like to buy
larger tires (255/R85 or 285/R75). Does anybody have a Superduty V-10 they
have increased the tire-size on, and if not, does anybody have any advise
for me. I'm concerned that this will decrease my power or my gas mileage.
Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
- -Brandt (confused what to do)
dennehyb mcn.net

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Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 12:45:07 -0600
From: scott anderson
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Urgent

>===== Original Message From Brandt Dennehy =====
>I just bought a 1999 Ford F-250 Superduty Supercab 4x4 with the V-10 engine
>and 3.73 ratio. The tires look small on it (235/R85). I would like to buy
>larger tires (255/R85 or 285/R75). Does anybody have a Superduty V-10 they
>have increased the tire-size on, and if not, does anybody have any advise
>for me. I'm concerned that this will decrease my power or my gas mileage.
>Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
>-Brandt (confused what to do)
>dennehyb mcn.net
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I just put larger tires on my 1998 Powerstroke Diesel. I put BFGoodrich's on
it and I love them. They are a good looking tire, they are not too loud, they
wear good, and they are great in mud. The reason I know they wear good is
because my dad is on his second set now. He has a 1997 Powerstroke and he put
34,000 miles on his first set. He is a farmer and drives on gravel every day,
so 34,000 is great!!! He had some Mud Brut's on it before and they lasted
20,000 miles, so the BFGoodrich's have been great!!!!!! The gas mileage on
our trucks has gone down 1 mile per gallon. The BFGoodrich's are definitely
worth it though. Although larger tires take a little more power to turn, I
have not noticed a power loss at all.

Scott Anderson


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Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 11:37:27 -0600
From: "Charles Abraham"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Urgent

The larger tires you indicated are approximately 1-1/2" taller than your stock
ones. One disadvantages is the mph your speedometer will be reading. The taller
tires will be covering more ground with each revolution - but your speedometer
won't know that. It's calibrated for the smaller tire. So watchout for speeding
tickets!

Maybe Nathan of Union Auto, knows if the larger tires would affect any of the
on-board electronics too.

Charles.

Brandt Dennehy wrote:

> I just bought a 1999 Ford F-250 Superduty Supercab 4x4 with the V-10 engine
> and 3.73 ratio. The tires look small on it (235/R85). I would like to buy
> larger tires (255/R85 or 285/R75). Does anybody have a Superduty V-10 they
> have increased the tire-size on, and if not, does anybody have any advise
> for me. I'm concerned that this will decrease my power or my gas mileage.
> Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
> -Brandt (confused what to do)
> dennehyb mcn.net
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Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 14:58:54 EST
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Urgent

In a message dated 98-11-05 13:49:09 EST, you write:

taller tire means less RPM at speed , but takes more HP to turn, you will may
notice a slight difference but not much. Yea, Its funny I have clocked on my
GPS that i am about 3-4mph faster than speedo says at 70.

RS

The larger tires you indicated are approximately 1-1/2" taller than your
stock
ones. One disadvantages is the mph your speedometer will be reading. The
taller
tires will be covering more ground with each revolution - but your
speedometer
won't know that. It's calibrated for the smaller tire. So watchout for
speeding
tickets!

Maybe Nathan of Union Auto, knows if the larger tires would affect any of the
on-board electronics too.

Charles. >>
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Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 15:05:28 -0600
From: scott anderson
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Urgent

>===== Original Message From Charles Abraham =====
>The larger tires you indicated are approximately 1-1/2" taller than your
stock
>ones. One disadvantages is the mph your speedometer will be reading. The
taller
>tires will be covering more ground with each revolution - but your
speedometer
>won't know that. It's calibrated for the smaller tire. So watchout for
speeding
>tickets!
>
>Maybe Nathan of Union Auto, knows if the larger tires would affect any of the
>on-board electronics too.
>
>Charles.
>
>Brandt Dennehy wrote:
>
>> I just bought a 1999 Ford F-250 Superduty Supercab 4x4 with the V-10 engine
>> and 3.73 ratio. The tires look small on it (235/R85). I would like to buy
>> larger tires (255/R85 or 285/R75). Does anybody have a Superduty V-10 they
>> have increased the tire-size on, and if not, does anybody have any advise
>> for me. I'm concerned that this will decrease my power or my gas mileage.
>> Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
>> -Brandt (confused what to do)
>> dennehyb mcn.net
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The speedometer works in your favor though. It is less likely that you will
get speeding tickets because the larger tires will actually slow the truck
down, while the speedometer remains the same. That will work to your favor,
because you will actually be going about 2 to 3 mph slower than the
speedometer reads. Installing lower gears aftermarket will also make your
speedometer read higher than the truck is actually going.

Scott Anderson


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Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 16:36:06 -0500
From: "Eddie Pettit"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Urgent

>The speedometer works in your favor though. It is less likely that you
will
>get speeding tickets because the larger tires will actually slow the truck
>down, while the speedometer remains the same.
>Scott Anderson


I think you've made a mistake. Because with larger tires one revolution of
the tire now carries the truck farther. So if the tire rotates 500 (I know
its not right to equal a mile) times with normal tires it may only take 475
rotations with larger tires, therefore you will be going faster than your
speedometer thinks. If you went to smaller tires then your statement would
be correct because one revolution of the tire would carry the truck a
shorter than normal distance.

I'm sure someone can explain this better.

Eddie Pettit
Midlothian VA



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Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 17:00:25 -0500
From: Dick_Dorff baynetworks.com (Dick Dorff)
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Urgent

scott anderson wrote:

> The speedometer works in your favor though. It is less likely that you will
> get speeding tickets because the larger tires will actually slow the truck
> down, while the speedometer remains the same. That will work to your favor,
> because you will actually be going about 2 to 3 mph slower than the
> speedometer reads. Installing lower gears aftermarket will also make your
> speedometer read higher than the truck is actually going.
>
> Scott Anderson

I think it's going to be the other way around, actually; the speedometer will read a given speed, say 60mph, based on rpms of the driveshaft (but measured in the tranny?), yet the larger tires will be covering more ground for the same number of driveshaft rpms. I know with our '87 Bronco II, with larger than stock tires, when we travelled 60 miles (according to highway milemarkers), the odometer only clocked 58. Assuming the speedo is similarly affected, we'd be doing 60 mph when the speedo
only registered 58. Opposite is true for the old Saab; with lower tire height than stock, the speedo reads 63mph when I'm only really doing 60.

Dick Dorff

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Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 12:58:47 -0900
From: Perry Klein
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Urgent

It's actually backwards from what you stated.
Say for instance you're running the same rpm
with a 30 and a 33 inch tire. The circumference
of the 33 tire is larger than that of the 30 inch tire.
So for every full rotation of the rim the truck roles further with
with a larger tire. Since your speedometer doesn't know how tall
your tire is it thinks you are going slower than you really are.

I heard that you could go to Ford an get the spedo changed if you
change the size of your tires old 94 F-150. I heard that it was just
an electronic change but you could only do it 4 or 6 times ???
May or may not be true.

I think you can estimate your new speed if you know the height of both tires.

Say you went from 30 to 33 inch the ratio would be 33/30 = 1.1
So at 50 ( 50 * 1.1 )on your spedo you would be at 55 mph

I'm not sure if it will effect how your trany works? I had BFG 32's on my
94 F150. The truck ran well, it was very fast but didn't like hills to well.
I did haul my 28 ' Trophy with it though. It wasn't pretty but it worked.




>The speedometer works in your favor though. It is less likely that you will
>get speeding tickets because the larger tires will actually slow the truck
>down, while the speedometer remains the same. That will work to your favor,
>because you will actually be going about 2 to 3 mph slower than the
>speedometer reads. Installing lower gears aftermarket will also make your
>speedometer read higher than the truck is actually going.
>
>Scott Anderson
>


Perry Klein
Dowell Lab
Prudhoe Bay, Ak
ph# (907)-659-2444
Fax# (907)-659-2538
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Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 16:29:37 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Urgent

The only thing I'd worry about is the speedometer. The ABS may not work
perfectly either. The dealer can recalibrate for the bigger tires. I'm not
sure for Super Duty's, but on other vehicles you could only recalibrate 3
times. Also the ABS has to be recalibrated.

Nathan Bernard

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From: Charles Abraham
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Thursday, November 05, 1998 1:05 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Urgent


>The larger tires you indicated are approximately 1-1/2" taller than your
stock
>ones. One disadvantages is the mph your speedometer will be reading. The
taller
>tires will be covering more ground with each revolution - but your
speedometer
>won't know that. It's calibrated for the smaller tire. So watchout for
speeding
>tickets!
>
>Maybe Nathan of Union Auto, knows if the larger tires would affect any of
the
>on-board electronics too.
>
>Charles.
>
>Brandt Dennehy wrote:
>
>> I just bought a 1999 Ford F-250 Superduty Supercab 4x4 with the V-10
engine
>> and 3.73 ratio. The tires look small on it (235/R85). I would like to
buy
>> larger tires (255/R85 or 285/R75). Does anybody have a Superduty V-10
they
>> have increased the tire-size on, and if not, does anybody have any advise
>> for me. I'm concerned that this will decrease my power or my gas
mileage.
>> Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
>> -Brandt (confused what to do)
>> dennehyb mcn.net
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Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 18:01:01 -0500
From: Lee Haefele
Subject: FTE 97up - Re:Buying a '99 F250 -- need help

Just one thing, stay away from an auto with 3.73 gears for towing, the
new gas engines produce their max torque at a higher rpm than last years
460. For gross weight of truck + trlr of over 11,000 lb, the auto/3.73
combo would be constantly shifting while towing, this also will affect
auto trans life. I own an 89 F-350 W/460 std 4.10, and a 99 F-350 W/V10
auto, 4.30. The 460 has more guts, the V10 has more power/accelleration
because it stays in lower gears past 4000 rpm. (I also own 4 other
various F-350s). Ford literature recommends lower axel ratio than prev
years "to use full power avail from engine at wide rpm range". I heard
someone say he was buying a 5.4 V-8/3.73 auto & was prepared to lock out
overdrive while towing up hill, he is wrong, it will require second gear
to climb most any hill. I think a V-10 std shift 3.73, 4.10 or 4.30
would be OK, or any engine/trans W/4.30 gears. Diesel is a whole
different animal, I have owned 3 older ones, hated them all.
Lee Haefele
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Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 18:35:15 EST
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Re:Buying a '99 F250 --

ok well whatever, i know my GPS doesnt lie, even though they are government
satellites. So i kinda trust their measure of tracking while going down the
road and compareing that to my speedo, my F 150 has lager than stock so i can
justify my claim.
I am getting ready to start negotiating price on a '99 F 250, 4x4 ,super cab,
7.3 power poke,auto, tommorrow any one got any tips? I was really impressed
with the way it gets down the road, i was at 70 before i knew it. i will be
using it to pull my 93 mustang race car that goes 9.62 142.17 in 1/4 mile.
The trailer, loaded i have now is about 4500 lbs. I am looking into about a
24' enclosed some time anyone got any suggestions on looking at a enclosed
race trailer or a good place?

Thanks

RS
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Date: Thu, 05 Nov 98 16:47:55 PST
From: "Jeff"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Urgent

Wrong. Going to bigger tires will cause your speedometer to indicate a =
slower speed than actual.
The speedometer senses driveshaft rpm and converts to mph. Imagine havin=
g tires that were 1 mile in circumference. One revolution of the axle =
shaft would move you 1 mile. Now imagine you speedometer is calibrated =
to having tires w/a circumference of a dime. I rev would move you about=
1". If the axle shaft was moving at 100 rpm's, in the first example you=
'd travel 100 miles/minute. In the later, you'd travel 100 iches /minute.=
Which is the faster speed? 100 miles per minute (6,000 mph) Yet if =
your speedometer was calibrated for the dime-sized tires, it's going to =
display a speed of 100 inches per minute, or .095 mph.
Hence, you actual speed would be greater than indicated if you go to bigg=
er tires.
There is a nice shareware program I found a couple years ago that will =
tell you waht speedometer error you'll have at any given speed going from=
one tire to another. It'll also convert the metric sizes to inches, etc=
. It's caleed "Tire Size", after just looking at it's read me file, it =
lists the following address to contact: TVJM07A prodigy.com It is (or =
it was anyway) free.
Jeff

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Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 18:09:59 -0700
From: "Brandt Dennehy"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re:Buying a '99 F250 --

I have great dealing advice for you.
Go to www.kbb.com and into the new vehicles division. This will allow you
to print off the actual invoice and MSRP with all options you can add. I
circled everything I wanted, went to the car dealer, set the printout on the
salesman's desk and said..."This is what you are paying....I know you have
to make a living, but I'm not going to make you rich either." I dealt with
them for about a week and got them down to about $300 over the invoice. It
took them 1.5months to get my 99 Superduty F-250 V-10 in, but I honestly
believe the best way to get the best deal on these trucks right now (due to
high demand) is to custom order. Goodluck!!

Brandt


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From: RSnovi aol.com
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Date: Thursday, November 05, 1998 4:57 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - Re:Buying a '99 F250 --


>ok well whatever, i know my GPS doesnt lie, even though they are government
>satellites. So i kinda trust their measure of tracking while going down
the
>road and compareing that to my speedo, my F 150 has lager than stock so i
can
>justify my claim.
>I am getting ready to start negotiating price on a '99 F 250, 4x4 ,super
cab,
>7.3 power poke,auto, tommorrow any one got any tips? I was really
impressed
>with the way it gets down the road, i was at 70 before i knew it. i will
be
>using it to pull my 93 mustang race car that goes 9.62 142.17 in 1/4
mile.
>The trailer, loaded i have now is about 4500 lbs. I am looking into about
a
>24' enclosed some time anyone got any suggestions on looking at a enclosed
>race trailer or a good place?
>
>Thanks
>
>RS
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Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 18:51:44 -0600
From: Glenn See
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Urgent

That's not what they told me in the school that I attended.

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Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 19:29:37 -0600
From: scott anderson
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Re:Buying a '99 F250 -- need help

>===== Original Message From Lee Haefele =====
>Just one thing, stay away from an auto with 3.73 gears for towing, the
>new gas engines produce their max torque at a higher rpm than last years
>460. For gross weight of truck + trlr of over 11,000 lb, the auto/3.73
>combo would be constantly shifting while towing, this also will affect
>auto trans life. I own an 89 F-350 W/460 std 4.10, and a 99 F-350 W/V10
>auto, 4.30. The 460 has more guts, the V10 has more power/accelleration
>because it stays in lower gears past 4000 rpm. (I also own 4 other
>various F-350s). Ford literature recommends lower axel ratio than prev
>years "to use full power avail from engine at wide rpm range". I heard
>someone say he was buying a 5.4 V-8/3.73 auto & was prepared to lock out
>overdrive while towing up hill, he is wrong, it will require second gear
>to climb most any hill. I think a V-10 std shift 3.73, 4.10 or 4.30
>would be OK, or any engine/trans W/4.30 gears. Diesel is a whole
>different animal, I have owned 3 older ones, hated them all.
>Lee Haefele
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Have you ever driven a POWERSTROKE?

Scott Anderson


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Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 20:33:38 -0500
From: "Anne Mitchell"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Urgent

>The only thing I'd worry about is the speedometer. The ABS may not work
>perfectly either. The dealer can recalibrate for the bigger tires. I'm
not
>sure for Super Duty's, but on other vehicles you could only recalibrate 3
>times. Also the ABS has to be recalibrated.
>
>Nathan Bernard
>


This thread is getting a real workout. Nathan, I went to my dealer to see
if they knew how to calibrate my speedometer because I am racking up the
miles with a 3 mph slow speedo. To drive a true 65 mph my speedo has to say
68 mph. They looked at me like I was asking them to determine the escape
velocity of the space shuttle. They had no clue or weren't interested in
helping me out. I have a 1998 F150 SC 4x4 with 245/70/16 tires. I expect
the vehicle was calibrated for the standard 235/15 tires and the factory
just slapped on a pair of 16s without calibrating the speedo for the tires i
ordered. What if anything can I do and who can do it?

Steve

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Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 17:53:39 -0800
From: Alex Peyzner
Subject: FTE 97up - Buying a '99 F250 -- need help THANK YOU!

I would like to thank everyone who responded to my original post. Your
input has been very valuable. I can't say that I now know which way to go,
but at least I have more data points to reference.

I have pretty much decided on a stick shift but I am still debating between
v10 and v8. It would have surely helped knowing when the new v8 would come
out, any ideas? I called Ford Customer Care and they don't know. I have
driven the Diesel and decided against it for the reasons of cost (I don't
drive that much), accessibility of fuel, and noise. I also don't plan on
towing very heavy loads, about 5,500lbs max.

One other question I have has to do with the Electronic shift-on-the-fly
option. I have heard of a lot of problems people were having and someone
told me that this option is still not available from Ford. Can someone
confirm that? What are the 4x4 options otherwise? I have never used manual
hubs, are they a pain to deal with or are they pretty simple? I am
concerned as my SO might be driving the truck at times and let's just say
she is not very mechanically inclined. A push of a button is acceptable,
but anything more complicated requires a phone call to the home base or
on-line instructions :)

As usual, your responses are greatly appreciated.

- -Alex



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Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 18:21:52 -0800
From: "Alan Wilson"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Urgent

Anne Mitchell wrote:

>
>
> ...I went to my dealer to see if they knew how to calibrate my speedometer
> because I am racking up the
> miles with a 3 mph slow speedo. To drive a true 65 mph my speedo has to say
> 68 mph. They looked at me like I was asking them to determine the escape
> velocity of the space shuttle...

I don't blame them.

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Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 21:41:12 -0500
From: "Todd E."
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Urgent

Wrong! Larger tires mean you are going faster than speedometer, you will be
ticketed, thinking that you are only doing 60, when your doing 72. Lower/higher
gear ratio can help this problem though

> The speedometer works in your favor though. It is less likely that you will
> get speeding tickets because the larger tires will actually slow the truck
> down, while the speedometer remains the same. That will work to your favor,
> because you will actually be going about 2 to 3 mph slower than the
> speedometer reads. Installing lower gears aftermarket will also make your
> speedometer read higher than the truck is actually going.
>
> Scott Anderson
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Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 21:43:45 -0500
From: "Todd E."
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Urgent

Tire size makes no difference on ABS. The sensor reads off the hub, and detects
motion vs. no motion, and will kick in when it detects that any wheel is moving
at a much slower rate than any other wheel. Actual speed is not important, as
the ABS system does not know whether you are on dry pavement or snow.

Union Auto wrote:

> The only thing I'd worry about is the speedometer. The ABS may not work
> perfectly either. The dealer can recalibrate for the bigger tires. I'm not
> sure for Super Duty's, but on other vehicles you could only recalibrate 3
> times. Also the ABS has to be recalibrated.
>
> Nathan Bernard
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charles Abraham
> To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
> Date: Thursday, November 05, 1998 1:05 PM
> Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Urgent
>
> >The larger tires you indicated are approximately 1-1/2" taller than your
> stock
> >ones. One disadvantages is the mph your speedometer will be reading. The
> taller
> >tires will be covering more ground with each revolution - but your
> speedometer
> >won't know that. It's calibrated for the smaller tire. So watchout for
> speeding
> >tickets!
> >
> >Maybe Nathan of Union Auto, knows if the larger tires would affect any of
> the
> >on-board electronics too.
> >
> >Charles.
> >
> >Brandt Dennehy wrote:
> >
> >> I just bought a 1999 Ford F-250 Superduty Supercab 4x4 with the V-10
> engine
> >> and 3.73 ratio. The tires look small on it (235/R85). I would like to
> buy
> >> larger tires (255/R85 or 285/R75). Does anybody have a Superduty V-10
> they
> >> have increased the tire-size on, and if not, does anybody have any advise
> >> for me. I'm concerned that this will decrease my power or my gas
> mileage.
> >> Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
> >> -Brandt (confused what to do)
> >> dennehyb mcn.net
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Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 21:48:39 -0500
From: "Todd E."
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re:Buying a '99 F250 -- need help

Just got my SD-250 V-10 man tran 3.73LS, and I have to say that you would
probably be better off with the 4.30 axle. The manual transmission would
defintely work better with the 4.30 1st gear is real short, and is supposed
to be a towing start gear with 2nd gear beeing the light truck start gear.
I'm sure the gearing would feel more natural for this purpose with the
4.30. As it is, 4th and 5th gear are very tall, almost to tall, definitely
go for the 4.30, unless gas mileage is a real concern.

Lee Haefele wrote:

> Just one thing, stay away from an auto with 3.73 gears for towing, the
> new gas engines produce their max torque at a higher rpm than last years
> 460. For gross weight of truck + trlr of over 11,000 lb, the auto/3.73
> combo would be constantly shifting while towing, this also will affect
> auto trans life. I own an 89 F-350 W/460 std 4.10, and a 99 F-350 W/V10
> auto, 4.30. The 460 has more guts, the V10 has more power/accelleration
> because it stays in lower gears past 4000 rpm. (I also own 4 other
> various F-350s). Ford literature recommends lower axel ratio than prev
> years "to use full power avail from engine at wide rpm range". I heard
> someone say he was buying a 5.4 V-8/3.73 auto & was prepared to lock out
> overdrive while towing up hill, he is wrong, it will require second gear
> to climb most any hill. I think a V-10 std shift 3.73, 4.10 or 4.30
> would be OK, or any engine/trans W/4.30 gears. Diesel is a whole
> different animal, I have owned 3 older ones, hated them all.
> Lee Haefele
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Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 21:51:16 -0500
From: "Todd E."
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re:Buying a '99 F250 --

Kern's Ford in Ohio, 1-888-8DUALLY will sell at invoice, they also will fly-in,
meet you half way, or deliver. AS far as GPS, a stop watch and mile markers are
more accurate.

RSnovi aol.com wrote:

> ok well whatever, i know my GPS doesnt lie, even though they are government
> satellites. So i kinda trust their measure of tracking while going down the
> road and compareing that to my speedo, my F 150 has lager than stock so i can
> justify my claim.
> I am getting ready to start negotiating price on a '99 F 250, 4x4 ,super cab,
> 7.3 power poke,auto, tommorrow any one got any tips? I was really impressed
> with the way it gets down the road, i was at 70 before i knew it. i will be
> using it to pull my 93 mustang race car that goes 9.62 142.17 in 1/4 mile.
> The trailer, loaded i have now is about 4500 lbs. I am looking into about a
> 24' enclosed some time anyone got any suggestions on looking at a enclosed
> race trailer or a good place?
>
> Thanks
>
> RS
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Date: Thu, 05 Nov 98 20:06:02 PST
From: "Jeff"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Urgent

If the diameter of the tire/wheel combo you have on now is bigger then =
what the truck was calibrated for, then your speedometer will be indicati=
ng a slower speed then actual. Also, your odometer will indicate less =
miles traveled then actual.
Jeff

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Date: Thu, 05 Nov 98 20:12:30 PST
From: "Jeff"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Urgent

I have the V10 auto w/4.30 gears. I traded my stock tires (265/75/s) for=
285/75's. It is just right. 4.30 gearing is the only way to go in my =
opinion, especially w/an auto. The 285's are 32.83" diameter, the 265's =
were 31.65" diameter. This requires an extra .59" extra clearance around=
the outside tread, and .39" around the inside and outside sidewall of =
the truck. On the F-350 SD this is no problem at all. Your speedo will =
indicate 72.3mph when your actually traveling 75mph.
Jeff

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Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 23:52:30 -0500
From: Jean Marc Chartier
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Urgent

Anne Mitchell wrote:
>
> >The only thing I'd worry about is the speedometer. The ABS may not work
> >perfectly either. The dealer can recalibrate for the bigger tires. I'm
> not
> >sure for Super Duty's, but on other vehicles you could only recalibrate 3
> >times. Also the ABS has to be recalibrated.
> >
> >Nathan Bernard
> >
>
> This thread is getting a real workout. Nathan, I went to my dealer to see
> if they knew how to calibrate my speedometer because I am racking up the
> miles with a 3 mph slow speedo. To drive a true 65 mph my speedo has to say
> 68 mph. They looked at me like I was asking them to determine the escape
> velocity of the space shuttle. They had no clue or weren't interested in
> helping me out. I have a 1998 F150 SC 4x4 with 245/70/16 tires. I expect
> the vehicle was calibrated for the standard 235/15 tires and the factory
> just slapped on a pair of 16s without calibrating the speedo for the tires i
> ordered. What if anything can I do and who can do it?
>
> Steve
>
Steve,

On the 97-98 F-150's you can change the speedo gear.
What tires did you get from the factory and what do you have
on it now? What gear ratio do you have 3.08 or 3.55? Let
me know and I could tell you what gear to get.

Regards

Jean Marc Chartier
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Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 23:02:55 -0600
From: Glenn See
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Urgent

For those who cannot operate a calculator or a slide rule or went to school
in Alabama. Put a chalk mark on both the larger and smaller tire. Position
the tires over a mark on the driveway. Roll the tires until the chalk on
the tire leaves a mark on the drive. Measure the distant each tire travels
on a complete rotation. Subtract the distance the small tire travels from
that of the larger tire. Divide the difference by the length of travel by
the small tire. The answer will be the percentage difference in the reading
of your speedometer and the actual speed.. (The actual speed will that
percentage more than the speedometer reading)...........cowboy math.

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Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 23:45:24 -0600
From: scott anderson
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Re:Buying a '99 F250 --

>===== Original Message From "Todd E." =====
>Kern's Ford in Ohio, 1-888-8DUALLY will sell at invoice, they also will
fly-in,
>meet you half way, or deliver. AS far as GPS, a stop watch and mile markers
are
>more accurate.
>
>RSnovi aol.com wrote:
>
>> ok well whatever, i know my GPS doesnt lie, even though they are government
>> satellites. So i kinda trust their measure of tracking while going down
the
>> road and compareing that to my speedo, my F 150 has lager than stock so i
can
>> justify my claim.
>> I am getting ready to start negotiating price on a '99 F 250, 4x4 ,super
cab,
>> 7.3 power poke,auto, tommorrow any one got any tips? I was really
impressed
>> with the way it gets down the road, i was at 70 before i knew it. i will
be
>> using it to pull my 93 mustang race car that goes 9.62 142.17 in 1/4
mile.
>> The trailer, loaded i have now is about 4500 lbs. I am looking into about
a
>> 24' enclosed some time anyone got any suggestions on looking at a enclosed
>> race trailer or a good place?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> RS
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What does GPS stand for?

Scott Anderson


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Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 01:41:24 -0800
From: Rob Bryan
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Which axel??

At 7:54 AM -0500 11/05/98, Pierre Smith wrote:
>Also, it seems as if the power adjustable pedals are in short supply. How
>long are orders taking with/without the the adjustable pedals? (My wife is
>5'6", will she need the adjustable foot pedals?)

I'm 5'7" and can drive my dad's '99 Expy just fine without the adjustable
pedals. So I think you'd be fine without them. If she was 4'6", you might
need them ;-)

- -Rob-


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Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 01:47:27 -0800
From: Rob Bryan
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Urgent

At 4:29 PM -0600 11/05/98, Union Auto wrote:
>The only thing I'd worry about is the speedometer. The ABS may not work
>perfectly either. The dealer can recalibrate for the bigger tires. I'm not
>sure for Super Duty's, but on other vehicles you could only recalibrate 3
>times. Also the ABS has to be recalibrated.
>
>Nathan Bernard

Naah...The ABS will be fine. It could care less the size of the tire, as
long as all 4 are the same size. The ABS system works by comparing the
speeds of each wheel with the others. If one is decelerating faster than
the others or has a speed that is significantly less, the ABS processor
senses that that wheel is locked and modulates the pressure to that wheel.
In doing this it could care less what the tire size is.

- -Rob-


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