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In this issue:

FTE 97up - Re: New Super Duty
Re: FTE 97up - Buying a '99 F250 -- need help
Re: FTE 97up - Buying a '99 F250 -- need help
Re: FTE 97up - Buying a '99 F250 -- need help
Re: FTE 97up - Buying a '99 F250 -- need help
FTE 97up - V10 & V8 Upgrades?
Re: FTE 97up - Buying a '99 F250 -- need help
Re: FTE 97up - PSD exhaust
Re: FTE 97up - V10 & V8 Upgrades?
Re: FTE 97up - V10 + 3.73 or 4.30?
Re: FTE 97up - V10 + 3.73 or 4.30?
Re: FTE 97up - V10 & V8 Upgrades?
FTE 97up - What's my DORA number tell me???
Re: FTE 97up - What's my DORA number tell me???
FTE 97up - Week #44 Commodities
FTE 97up - SD gas mileage
Re: FTE 97up - Buying a '99 F250 -- need help
RE: FTE 97up - SD gas mileage
FTE 97up - Fw: 1999 Towing Guide
FTE 97up - Nominate Ford Truck Enthusiasts?

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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 08:37:06 EST
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: New Super Duty

In a message dated 98-11-03 16:17:10 EST, you write:


well i know where a bunch of crew cabs are in AL.
i had a hell of a time trying to find a super cab , they are telling me 5-12
weeks depends on the dealer. I am going to take a test drive in a x cab F250
/4x4/ 7.3/ short bed, its prarie tan/ tan interior XLT, i wanted to find a
white Lariat loaded but no such luck, this one is decent thought.

RS

I just joined the list last night.

I am also close to ordering a new Super Duty. In my case it's a 99 F-350 4x4
Crew Cab, SRW PSD Auto

Do the research on options and pricing. I used Edmunds.com and got LOTS of
great info. I specd out the exact truck I want and then used AutoByTel.com to
locate a dealer in my area. The next day I had an offer to sell me the truck
for $1500.00 over invoice(not sticker price). Not a bad deal compared to
what people are paying for these off the street. I have them down to $500
over invoice now and have not even been to the showroom once. A very smooth
and easy process. I'll probably go Thursday and close the deal.

Keep in mind, unless you get really lucky and find what you are looking for
sitting on a lot, you will probably need to order the truck. They tell me the
wait 3-5 months once you order. (ouch)

Good luck,

George >>
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Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 09:39:53 -0500
From: Jean Marc Chartier
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Buying a '99 F250 -- need help

Alex Peyzner wrote:
>
> I am about to place an order for a '99 F250 CC XLT SWB and I still can't
> answer 3 basic questions.
>
> - should I get a v10 or a v8? (power and mileage considerations here, i
> hear the new v8 is out in january?)
>
> - should I get stick shift or auto transmission (mostly mileage
> considerations as well as drivebility)
>
> - should I get 3.73LSD or 4.10/4.30LSD (I don't completely understand the
> consequences of getting one or another, looking for help)
>
> I am looking for suggestions on which way to go.
>
> Some background info and reasoning:
> This is my first full size truck, I would use it for everyday commute
> (about 40 miles a day) as well as flat-towing my Jeep to off-road locations
> and towing a light-duty trailer with a sports car to race tracks. I would
> also like to be able to take 4-6 people to go skiing and be able to carry
> all the gear -- nothing beats the CC for that. I have never owned a vehicle
> with auto tranny but I have been warned that driving a big truck with a
> stick is a chore.
>
> Your responses would be greatly appreciated!
>
> -Alex
> '97 Jeep TJ off-road
> '93 Rx7 on-road
> soon to be add '99 F250 CC XLT SWB...
>
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Alex,

First off I am biased towards manual transmissions. I do
not like some monkey in a box telling me when to shift...
What are you using to tow your Jeep/sports car now? You can
not beat the torque of the V10. Torque is the ability to do
work. The more you have the more work you can do. Horse
power is how fast you can do the work. The more you have
the faster you can do the work( up to the limit of the
torque). I was told the MPG of the V8 and V10 are within
2-5 MPG. As for the 3.73 vs the 4.10 or 4.30.. The 3.73
represents the number of turns the rear wheels will turn for
one rotation of the drive shaft. The 3.73 will give you
better mileage that the other two. The 4.30 will make it
easier to pull a heavy weight. I have looked at a 99 250
Crew Cab V10 5 spd 3.73 LSD. I do not tow anything so I
would go for better MPG. I decided to wait because Ford is
coming out with an F150 Crew Cab. I presently have a 97
F150 SC 4x4 4.6L 5 Spd.

Regards

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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 10:32:12 EST
From: BlankfortJ aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Buying a '99 F250 -- need help

Why not get the Diesel? It gets much better mileage, you can go fast towing,
you can pay for it in 100,000 miles and it has a much higher resale value.
Also get the 6 speed. It's easy to shift, but only after about 5,000 miles
does it become easy to get into 1st gear and there is less to break and it's
cheaper by a grand also.

Ohhh you can pass all your buddies in the V-10 at the first gas station. I
get over 500 miles on a tank.

John


In a message dated 11/4/98 6:51:43 AM Pacific Standard Time,
jmc.chartier sympatico.ca writes:


>
> I am about to place an order for a '99 F250 CC XLT SWB and I still can't
> answer 3 basic questions.
>
> - should I get a v10 or a v8? (power and mileage considerations here, i
> hear the new v8 is out in january?)
>
> - should I get stick shift or auto transmission (mostly mileage
> considerations as well as drivebility)
>
> - should I get 3.73LSD or 4.10/4.30LSD (I don't completely understand the
> consequences of getting one or another, looking for help)
>
> I am looking for suggestions on which way to go.
>
> Some background info and reasoning:
> This is my first full size truck, I would use it for everyday commute
> (about 40 miles a day) as well as flat-towing my Jeep to off-road locations
> and towing a light-duty trailer with a sports car to race tracks. I would
> also like to be able to take 4-6 people to go skiing and be able to carry
> all the gear -- nothing beats the CC for that. I have never owned a vehicle
> with auto tranny but I have been warned that driving a big truck with a
> stick is a chore.
>
> Your responses would be greatly appreciated!
>
> -Alex
> '97 Jeep TJ off-road
> '93 Rx7 on-road
> soon to be add '99 F250 CC XLT SWB...
>
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Alex,

First off I am biased towards manual transmissions. I do
not like some monkey in a box telling me when to shift...
What are you using to tow your Jeep/sports car now? You can
not beat the torque of the V10. Torque is the ability to do
work. The more you have the more work you can do. Horse
power is how fast you can do the work. The more you have
the faster you can do the work( up to the limit of the
torque). I was told the MPG of the V8 and V10 are within
2-5 MPG. As for the 3.73 vs the 4.10 or 4.30.. The 3.73
represents the number of turns the rear wheels will turn for
one rotation of the drive shaft. The 3.73 will give you
better mileage that the other two. The 4.30 will make it
easier to pull a heavy weight. I have looked at a 99 250
Crew Cab V10 5 spd 3.73 LSD. I do not tow anything so I
would go for better MPG. I decided to wait because Ford is
coming out with an F150 Crew Cab. I presently have a 97
F150 SC 4x4 4.6L 5 Spd.

Regards

Jean Marc Chartier >>
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Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 08:01:21 -0800
From: George Passidakis
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Buying a '99 F250 -- need help

Jean,

I can help clear a couple of things up since I'm looking at a new purchase. (I also tow a jeep too)

>What are you using to tow your Jeep/sports car now? You can
>not beat the torque of the V10.

The PowerStroke Diesel is easily the torque king. It puts out 500 lb/ft at 1600 rpm. The new gas V10 puts out 410 lb/ft at 2650 rpm. The V10 does have more HP than the Diesel.

> As for the 3.73 vs the 4.10 or 4.30.. The 3.73
>represents the number of turns the rear wheels will turn for
>one rotation of the drive shaft.

Actually, it's the other way. The 3.73:1 axle ratio means the drive shaft will turn 3.73 times for each revolution of the tires. A lower gear(higher number like 4.10) will generate higher engine revs for the same speed.

Thanks,

George

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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 11:42:40 EST
From: RSnovi aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Buying a '99 F250 -- need help

In a message dated 98-11-03 18:44:32 EST, you write:


I am about to place an order for a '99 F250 CC XLT SWB and I still can't
answer 3 basic questions.

- should I get a v10 or a v8? (power and mileage considerations here, i
hear the new v8 is out in january?)

V10 is not that much more and close to 300 ponies

- should I get stick shift or auto transmission (mostly mileage
considerations as well as drivebility)

AUTO easier to drive and pull with, I owned a stick once, never again.
Everyone i know that pulls their race cars all have auto. Their trailers
range from 18 ft. open to 28 ft enclosed. I used to ride with a buddy that
had a 6.5 diesel w/ stick what a pain in the ass that thing was. Especially
when your backing a trailer.

- should I get 3.73LSD or 4.10/4.30LSD (I don't completely understand the
consequences of getting one or another, looking for help)

3.73 should be fine LSD is limited slip, which most all come with.

I am looking for suggestions on which way to go.

Some background info and reasoning:
This is my first full size truck, I would use it for everyday commute
(about 40 miles a day) as well as flat-towing my Jeep to off-road locations
and towing a light-duty trailer with a sports car to race tracks. I would
also like to be able to take 4-6 people to go skiing and be able to carry
all the gear -- nothing beats the CC for that. I have never owned a vehicle
with auto tranny but I have been warned that driving a big truck with a
stick is a chore.

Your responses would be greatly appreciated!

-Alex
'97 Jeep TJ off-road
'93 Rx7 on-road
soon to be add '99 F250 CC XLT SWB...


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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 12:07:47 -0600
From: ywozniak kiwi.dep.anl.gov (Todd Wozniak)
Subject: FTE 97up - V10 & V8 Upgrades?

What is this I hear of gas engine upgrades by Ford? Are they to offer
improved V8 specs? Any one have any clues as to dates of availability and
power predictions?



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Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 13:52:04 -0500
From: Chad Royse
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Buying a '99 F250 -- need help

I'll tell you exactly why I didn't get the diesel. It's too much! However I
would like one. So for all of those out there that feel it's the only way to go, I
will gladly accept donations. When I receive enough $, I'll trade in my V-10 for
the PS!

Chad

BlankfortJ aol.com wrote:

> Why not get the Diesel? It gets much better mileage, you can go fast towing,
> you can pay for it in 100,000 miles and it has a much higher resale value.
> Also get the 6 speed. It's easy to shift, but only after about 5,000 miles
> does it become easy to get into 1st gear and there is less to break and it's
> cheaper by a grand also.
>
> Ohhh you can pass all your buddies in the V-10 at the first gas station. I
> get over 500 miles on a tank.
>
> John
>
> In a message dated 11/4/98 6:51:43 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> jmc.chartier sympatico.ca writes:
>
>
> >
> > I am about to place an order for a '99 F250 CC XLT SWB and I still can't
> > answer 3 basic questions.
> >
> > - should I get a v10 or a v8? (power and mileage considerations here, i
> > hear the new v8 is out in january?)
> >
> > - should I get stick shift or auto transmission (mostly mileage
> > considerations as well as drivebility)
> >
> > - should I get 3.73LSD or 4.10/4.30LSD (I don't completely understand the
> > consequences of getting one or another, looking for help)
> >
> > I am looking for suggestions on which way to go.
> >
> > Some background info and reasoning:
> > This is my first full size truck, I would use it for everyday commute
> > (about 40 miles a day) as well as flat-towing my Jeep to off-road locations
> > and towing a light-duty trailer with a sports car to race tracks. I would
> > also like to be able to take 4-6 people to go skiing and be able to carry
> > all the gear -- nothing beats the CC for that. I have never owned a vehicle
> > with auto tranny but I have been warned that driving a big truck with a
> > stick is a chore.
> >
> > Your responses would be greatly appreciated!
> >
> > -Alex
> > '97 Jeep TJ off-road
> > '93 Rx7 on-road
> > soon to be add '99 F250 CC XLT SWB...
> >
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> Alex,
>
> First off I am biased towards manual transmissions. I do
> not like some monkey in a box telling me when to shift...
> What are you using to tow your Jeep/sports car now? You can
> not beat the torque of the V10. Torque is the ability to do
> work. The more you have the more work you can do. Horse
> power is how fast you can do the work. The more you have
> the faster you can do the work( up to the limit of the
> torque). I was told the MPG of the V8 and V10 are within
> 2-5 MPG. As for the 3.73 vs the 4.10 or 4.30.. The 3.73
> represents the number of turns the rear wheels will turn for
> one rotation of the drive shaft. The 3.73 will give you
> better mileage that the other two. The 4.30 will make it
> easier to pull a heavy weight. I have looked at a 99 250
> Crew Cab V10 5 spd 3.73 LSD. I do not tow anything so I
> would go for better MPG. I decided to wait because Ford is
> coming out with an F150 Crew Cab. I presently have a 97
> F150 SC 4x4 4.6L 5 Spd.
>
> Regards
>
> Jean Marc Chartier >>
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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 13:43:46 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - PSD exhaust

It is a converter. They run just fine without them if your in an area that
doesn't do emissions testing. It doesn't really affect performance though
(but acts like a muffler and will be louder without the Cat)

Nathan

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From: JPatte5238 aol.com
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, November 03, 1998 4:03 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - PSD exhaust


>The List
>
>There are two devices on the Exhaust of the PSD, one the these is the
muffler
>and the other, will I don't know. Does anybody know what this device is?
Do
>I need it? It can't be a convertor with a diesel can it? Or is it a
>resonator?
>
>Lurking from the bushes
>John Patterson
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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 13:47:10 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - V10 & V8 Upgrades?

I've heard rumors of January (on the Internet NOT FROM Ford), but if not I'd
guess by next fall.

Nathan Bernard

- -----Original Message-----
From: Todd Wozniak
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, November 04, 1998 12:22 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - V10 & V8 Upgrades?


>What is this I hear of gas engine upgrades by Ford? Are they to offer
>improved V8 specs? Any one have any clues as to dates of availability and
>power predictions?


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Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 15:36:59 -0500
From: Dick_Dorff baynetworks.com (Dick Dorff)
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - V10 + 3.73 or 4.30?

Jim,

I can understand your reaction, but I feel you've misread my intentions as well as my message.

kauppij vfc.com wrote, on Fri, Oct 30:

> You don't think my towing "problem" is for real? Hmmm... so how long
> have you had your SD Dick? What's that? You don't even have it yet?
> Geez, I just turned over 5,000 miles yesterday in my F350. Guess I
> have a little more experience than most...

In my message, to which you just replied, and I quote "I, and from what I've read, most others who've responded to your towing performance problem do believe that your
problem is real." Again, "...do believe...is real...". That's why this one reporting of the problem, in the absence of a single other corroberating instance, has got me so bent on trying to get some more data points. If I had a PC and Internet access at home I'd be losing sleep. Fortunately, I'm just wrecking my career.

I'm doing nothing but asking questions, and asking for any other first-hand experiences. The only time I even came close to uttering an opinion was to concur, via email to the list, with the opinions of each one of those on the 4x4mag msg board that responded to your problem, as well as yourself, that the problem seems so unexpected that there ought to be something wrong with your particular truck, and that it should be looked at. Please don't imply that I've been offering opinions on the
matter; I haven't been. In my entire time on this list, I've tried to cite my sources. My first email or so I stated I've _never_ owned a full-size truck. Any opinions were based on discussions with dealers, service people, the brochure, on-line resources (pricing guides etc), or were hopefully accurate references of that found on message boards.

> And I don't think anything
> is "wrong" with my truck. The V10 towing performance with the 3.73 is
> just not as "powerful" as I'd hoped. That's it. Nothing more,
> nothing less. I've timed several 0-60 runs in the mid 10's and that
> is in the ball park for this combination. I'm looking to install the
> Banks power pack system when ready which should add approx. 50hp and
> 65 ft-lbs of torque at the rear wheels. I've been told this will be
> ready around Jan. 1.

Thanks for the additional info. This is what I feel those on the msg board, and myself, though I wasn't part of that thread, think needs to be proved out, one way or
another. For what it's worth, I still think it would benefit you and others to have your truck analyzed before the modifications are made, just so that we can know more
conclusively whether the problem is endemic to this configuration, or whether there
is a particular aberrition with this one truck.

> I've seen you commenting in every Super Duty
> web site and listserv group there is so surely you must be an expert
> by now and not in need of our help (especially those data skewers such
> as myself).

Again, I try to cite my sources, freely admit none are from personal full-size pickup
experience, and am generally in question-asking, data gathering mode whereever you see my posts. Please do not accuse of otherwise. Obviously, I value the experiences
of everyone out there so much, I'm doing everything I can to receive them.


[continued in next message, max msg size on list server is 10k chars]
[...guess that's a sign I'm in need of a good editor]

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Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 15:37:04 -0500
From: Dick_Dorff baynetworks.com (Dick Dorff)
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - V10 + 3.73 or 4.30?

(part 2 of 2)

kauppij vfc.com wrote, on Fri, Oct. 30 (cont.):

> You personally emailed me the other day asking for more
> information and I told you I was tired of writing about it but would
> be happy to talk to you on the phone about it and gave you my work
> 800# with an offer to call. Instead of the call I find you on this
> group dismissing my reports as one instance (of some guy who's out of
> touch or something) and not giving any weight to it.

Forgive me, and no offense intended, but it took me aback to hear that you're "...tired of typing about the truck...but would be happy to talk about it...". Based
on you unwillingness to type about the problem, I incorrectly underestimated your
willingness to talk about the problem. I didn't think you'd really be "happy" to talk about it, so now I'm guilty of misreading one of your messages. I did appreciate the offer, and was still thinking of calling you. Fact is, with helping out at home with the kids in the morning; changing and feeding the "active" two-year-old, often holding the two-month-old, and getting the nine-year-old to the bus stop, that 8:00-8:15AM window slips by far too easily and quickly. I used to be at work at
that time, even earlier, but not since the baby arrived. Since I'd already placed the order for the truck when I re-read your report of the problem, and realized the potential
ramifications to my intended application of the vehicle, and since you dashed my
initial hopes for a direct and timely update from you on the problem's current
status, and since my dealer was estimating "4 - 8 wks", I felt I had to do everything possible to get as many other comments from anyone with the same cofiguration, as soon as possible in case a change was in order. If you'd only responded by email or message board with as much information as you just did above, which is brand new to any of these forums from what I've seen, and all that I was hoping for in the first place, that being additional characterization of, or updates to the problem,
the tone of my email requests for additional experiences of others would probably have been different, and less hastily, and more delicately phrased.

My queries were not intended to be dismissing. I later took pains to state that they
were not questioning your credibility, or the accuracy of the data provided in the
report. Statistics has a rule that the minimum size for a data sample is 50. I, at
the time, had one. That one, due to it's striking claims, was felt by all on the msg board thread, and even yourself, to be so remarkable that the foremost question to be asked is "Is there something wrong with this one particular vehicle?" It would be quite surprising to be the configuration in general (V10 + 3.73). I'll quote you from the msg board if I may, "I'd actually like to get the computer to read the status of the sensors and problem codes myself because I just don't trust the
dealer"
[http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://4x44u.vmag.com/forum/f250-1097/messages/1996.html, 10/21/98]. Certainly understandable, but since you hadn't reported back anywhere on progress in answering this question, I was left to try to answer it myself, by getting the opinions of as many other people as possible, with this configuration, in roughly this application.

Please do not falsely accuse me of stating I gave no weight to your report. Having
insufficient proof of the generality of the problem, and having somewhat sufficient
basis to question the generality of the problem, and to suspect that it was a singular
defect (again, based on the remarkableness of the claim, the number of folks who also thought it remarkable, including the owner/reporter, the number, zero, who at the
time wholeheartedly believed it to be a generality, and the number, 'all', who
thought further inquiry as to the health of this one particular vehicle ought to
first be proven), my only recourse was to increase my sample size from
one to as many possible.

For reference, here is an exact quote of the query to which I think you refer:
"I saw on a msg board or two an instance or two of: 1)
vibrations at certain RPMs (30-45 mph?) with this combo (SC, LB),
and 2) unsatisfactory performance when towing weights in the
5-6000lb range. Again, this is one or two instances, so one
can't place too much weight on them,.

Any information on this combination with respect to vibrations,
or towing performance, or mileage benefits? I've a couple
positive reports of towing capabilities with the 4.30 ("a good
match"), and one with the 3.73 ("just pop it out of OD for towing
my 10,000lb trailer up grades"). I'd really like some more data
points though; I'm uneasy. First-hand or second-hand
experience, or opinions, are quite welcome."

What I meant by "...one or two instances, so one can't place too much weight on them" is not that the instance is in question, but just that one can't conclude that all V10s with 3.73s will have these problems. Statistically, that's insane. I never doubted the accuracy of the claim. It's just that, statistically, to make conclusions about the quality of something, one needs to ideally have 50 samples and then make some assesments about the prevalence of a problem. You wisely stated that
there probably aren't that many of these configurations out there, in this application. While I don't doubt that, even one or two more first-hand reports would go a long way toward helping to determine the extent and degree of this problem.

> Well, I hope you
> don't have a vibration problem and that when towing your 6,000 lb.
> fifth wheel that you can leave two black streaks from the stop light
> to Yosemite. Have fun with your SD Dick and don't ask me for any more
> information!

Don't worry, you've taught me well; it's too much work ;-)

I'll still appreciate it and benefit from it though if it comes across the email
lists or msg boards anyway. You do have much valuable experience. I hope you won't deprive others of it. I suspect many are genuinely interested in your findings, as am I.

I dropped the ESOF just in case it's a factor in the vibration problem, but moreso because I don't think it'll last 10 years without a problem, and there's no manual override for the transfer case if so, just the hubs. I'm still deciding whether the amount of towing I'll do warrants the 4.30LS or not. If only 4.10LS was available for not obviously in one camp or the other (I had the dealer check, by seeing if the Ford ordering system would take the combo; it's still not).

> Dorff does Super Dutys? Hmm... could be a video in the
> making. Just make sure Tim Conway doesn't mind...

And now back to our regularly scheduled program...trucks.

Regards,

Dick Dorff

PS. But first, my apologies to the list for the space this issue has consumed;
since I was publicly accused, and falsely so, I felt it appropriate to publicly rebutt.

Jim, we should continue this off-line if necessary, although I sincerely hope it isn't, and that we can put this miscommunication behind us, and remain united in getting the most from our purchases, both those already made, and those pending.


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Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 15:48:16 -0500
From: Dick_Dorff baynetworks.com (Dick Dorff)
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - V10 & V8 Upgrades?

Todd Wozniak wrote:

> What is this I hear of gas engine upgrades by Ford? Are they to offer
> improved V8 specs? Any one have any clues as to dates of availability and
> power predictions?

Are you just asking about Super Duties here?

- -Dick Dorff


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Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 14:15:13 -0800
From: Gary Newlin
Subject: FTE 97up - What's my DORA number tell me???

Nathan,

My DORA number is 9022, type 1, on 10/02/98. Next question is; can we
guess my delivery date from this?

Thanks, gcn

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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 16:34:30 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - What's my DORA number tell me???

What I need is your dealers sales code (located on upper left hand corner of
DORA, for example mine says 53x544 Union Auto Inc), the body type (directly
under dealer code, for example F-150 S/C 4x4 X18) and order number (to the
right of body type it says begin ord XXXX these are the 4 digits I need)
Then I can see if they have an ETA.

Nathan

- -----Original Message-----
From: Gary Newlin
To: 97up-list-digest
Date: Wednesday, November 04, 1998 4:26 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - What's my DORA number tell me???


>Nathan,
>
>My DORA number is 9022, type 1, on 10/02/98. Next question is; can we
>guess my delivery date from this?
>
>Thanks, gcn
>
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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 16:53:49 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: FTE 97up - Week #44 Commodities

The Following are week 44's projected commodity controls for the Kansas City
region. This is the maximum % of vehicles that can be built with the listed
item.

Windstar-
Quad Seats (includes SE & SEL) 65%
SE series 65%
SEL series 18%
LX Quad seats 30%
Stereo Cass/CD (58K) 100%
4th Door 69%

Expedition
Power adjustable pedal 17%

Explorer
4.0L OHV total 12%
4.0L SOHC 60%
5.0L V-8 16%
Dual media radio 61%

Econoline
6.8L V-10 8%
7.3L Power Stroke 15%
Racks and Bins 100%
Premium Cass (58K) 0%
CD Cass (588) 23%

Ranger
2.5L 10%
3.0L 62%
4.0L 31%
Dual media radio (58K) 21%
4 door Supercab 33%
total fixed rear window (non slider) 100%

F-150-F-250 under 8500 GVWR
4.2L total 55%
4.2L automatic 29%
4.6L 32%
5.4L 12%
6 Disc CD changer 9%

Super Duty F-Series
5.4L 21%
6.8L total 26%
6.8L with pickup 12%
7.3L total 53%
7.3L automatic 34%
total automatic 64%
F-350 DRW pickup 38%
F-350 DRW Chassis Cab 6%
F-250/350 SRW 4x4 82%
Total Crew Cab 17%
Total pickups 86%
Lariat trim 20%
tutone paint 35%
CD + Cassette radio 35%

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.
Union, IA 50258


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Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 14:23:28 -0600
From: "Jeff Braiedy"
Subject: FTE 97up - SD gas mileage

Hi,
anyone have any info on gas mileage for the SD F-250 with a 5.4 in
it. I don't know which axle ratio to get yet but I am considering a
Crew-Cab 4x4 with an automatic. I'm not pulling much more than a
2500-3000 lb boat/motor package so I figure the 5.4 in okay? Usually
I would be running it empty. Also, what's this about a new engine
next year? Is that the 5.4 that's revamped? I'm willing to listen to
any thoughts on this.

Thanks,
braids
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Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 18:21:38 -0500
From: Jean Marc Chartier
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Buying a '99 F250 -- need help

George Passidakis wrote:
>
> Jean,
>
> I can help clear a couple of things up since I'm looking at a new purchase. (I also tow a jeep too)
>
> >What are you using to tow your Jeep/sports car now? You can
> >not beat the torque of the V10.
>
> The PowerStroke Diesel is easily the torque king. It puts out 500 lb/ft at 1600 rpm. The new gas V10 puts out 410 lb/ft at 2650 rpm. The V10 does have more HP than the Diesel.
>
> > As for the 3.73 vs the 4.10 or 4.30.. The 3.73
> >represents the number of turns the rear wheels will turn for
> >one rotation of the drive shaft.
>
> Actually, it's the other way. The 3.73:1 axle ratio means the drive shaft will turn 3.73 times for each revolution of the tires. A lower gear(higher number like 4.10) will generate higher engine revs for the same speed.
>
> Thanks,
>
> George
>
George,

As for the PSD I did not mention it because the
original question I thought was Gas V8 vs V10. Thanks for
the correction on the gear ratio, I dyslexic must be.

Regards

Jean Marc Chartier
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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 18:23:59 -0600
From: scott anderson
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - SD gas mileage

>===== Original Message From Jeff Braiedy =====
>Hi,
>anyone have any info on gas mileage for the SD F-250 with a 5.4 in
>it. I don't know which axle ratio to get yet but I am considering a
>Crew-Cab 4x4 with an automatic. I'm not pulling much more than a
>2500-3000 lb boat/motor package so I figure the 5.4 in okay? Usually
>I would be running it empty. Also, what's this about a new engine
>next year? Is that the 5.4 that's revamped? I'm willing to listen to
>any thoughts on this.
>
>Thanks,
>braids
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Yes, it is the new beefed-up 5.4 litre. The gas mileage is about 14 to 17 on
a 5.4 liter. They have a lot of power--it will pull 3,000 lbs. easily. The
new 5.4 liter is supposed to have about 260 hp with 380 lbs. of torque. It
will be comparable to the V10. I've got to friends that have a V10 and a
Powerstroke and they raced them last week. The Powerstroke beat the V10 by
almost half a truck length in the quarter mile!!!!!!

Scott Anderson


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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 21:53:43 -0000
From: "John R. Mohme"
Subject: FTE 97up - Fw: 1999 Towing Guide

- -----Original Message-----
From: John R. Mohme
To: tbmeditors aol.com
Date: Wednesday, November 04, 1998 9:50 PM
Subject: 1999 Towing Guide


>Attn: Bob Kovacik
>
>Each year I look forward to your Towing Guide as the most comprehensive
>indicator of the advances made in technology throughout the industry.
>
>This year's guide casts serious doubt as to the voracity of your overall
>approach and brings the reliability of your testing and reporting into
>question.
>
>Specifically, as an owner of a '99 F-250SD, I am disappointed in your
>inaccurate reporting of the Ford Sd's towing capacities. I contrast those
>in your list with those of an early SD brochure, the actual capacities in
>produced vehicles, such as mine, are greater than those in the brochure.
>
> TBM -
>Ford Brochure -
>
>F-250 SD 4x2 5.4L 9800#
>9700#
>F-250 SD 4x2 6.8L 10000#
>12600#
>F-250 SD 4x2 7.3L TD 10000#
>14200#
>
>F-250 SD 4x4 5.4L 9300#
>9200#
>F-250 SD 4x4 6.8L 10000#
>12100#
>F-250 SD 4x4 7.3L TD 10000#
>13700#
>
>F-350 SD 4x2 5.4L 9800#
>9700#
>F-350 SD 4x2 6.8L 10000#
>14600#
>F-350 SD 4x2 7.3L TD 10000#
>N/A
>
>F-350 SD 4x4 5.4L 9800#
>9200#
>F-350 SD 4x4 6.8L 10000#
>14100#
>F-350 SD 4x4 7.3L TD 10000#
>N/A
>
>F-350 SD 4x2 5.4L DRW 9500#
>9700#
>F-350 SD 4x2 6.8L DRW 10000#
>14600#
>F-350 SD 4x2 7.3L TD DRW 10000#
>13800#
>
>F-350 SD 4x4 5.4L DRW N/P
>9000#
>F-350 SD 4x4 6.8L DRW N/P
>10800#
>F-350 SD 4x4 7.3L TD DRW N/P
>13400#
>
>The inconsistencies continue as your list continues and do a disservice to....


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