97up-list-digest Sunday, November 1 1998 Volume 01 : Number 264



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Re: FTE 97up - V10 + 3.73 or 4.30?
Re: FTE 97up - metal shavings in diff
FTE 97up - PLEASE TAKE ME OFF THIS LIST
Re: FTE 97up - PLEASE TAKE ME OFF THIS LIST
Re: FTE 97up - re: Undercoating
Re: FTE 97up - re: Undercoating
FTE 97up - headers for the 4.2L

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Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 08:37:25 -0500
From: Lee Haefele
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - V10 + 3.73 or 4.30?

I have a SD F-350, 4x4, drw, V-10, auto, 4.30. The use of truck is
permanently loaded with utility body & aerial lift (bucket truck).
weight is about 10,500, wind resistance is substantial with the lift &
wide utility body. Performance & gear shifting is about right, with the
exception that upshifts are delayed until a rather high rpm. Otherwise
it runs country roads without excessive shifting (but just barely). If
it had 3.73 gears it would not drive in a headwind in OD or over rises
without shifting. If you are going to take a pickup with 3.73 & tow a
6000# 5th wheel, by the time you load passengers & gear you will
possibly be 13,000... performance will be sort of marginal while
towing. You will be towing mostly with OD locked out with shifts to 2nd
for mild hills. The original poster stated only 2% towing use, then I
would probably do the same & get the 3.73, but think about how many
towing miles that may be. For a minimal amount of towing, I don't think
running hills in 2nd is any problem. One other thing, the breakin
period is long, I have 3500 mi on mine, it was really dead when I got
it, much better now but still changing.
Lee Haefele
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Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 09:16:39 -0500
From: "Anne Mitchell"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - metal shavings in diff

I would definitely mention this to the dealer. I have 13,000+ miles on my
truck. It has the same configuration as yours. I have been changing the
oil at 3,000 mile intervals and I have never seen any noticeable loss of
engine oil. I drive 32 miles roundtrip to work and I have to admit I hit 80
mph every so often. It's hell on gas mileage but has not affected my oil
level. 4 qts low at 2400 miles sounds like the dealer didn't prep the
vehicle very well. Did you check the oil when you took delivery? There
have been a couple of posts now regarding auto transmission fluid, rear end
lube, and engine oil losses at very early stages of break-in. I think I'll
go out in the garage and do a little puttering under my truck. The rearend
is a pain to check, but a broken rearend is worse.

Steve
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From: T Ciarfello
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Friday, October 30, 1998 10:50 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - metal shavings in diff


>I have a 98 4x4 4.6l 3.55ls. at 2400miles I was over 4qts of oil short. no
>leaks dealer changed oil and told me to keep an eye on it. at 5000miles I
>changed the oil none missing. At 7100 I checked the oil little over a quart
>low. I usually drive about 35miles to and from work each day about 75mph.
>is this normal for these engines to burn about 1qt oil every 2000miles, I
>have to take the truck in for the recalls should I mention this to them
>again. Any input helpful
>
>Thanks
>tony
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Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 15:22:12 EST
From: WVJKQ aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - PLEASE TAKE ME OFF THIS LIST


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Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 19:10:31 -0500
From: "Todd E."
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - PLEASE TAKE ME OFF THIS LIST

Hey Idiot, read the FAQ. its linked to the signature file on every post.

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Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 19:48:15 -0600
From: Chad A Dietrich
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - re: Undercoating

Todd when I got my truck undercoted the sandblasted the whole under carage then
primed it and undercoted it. its been 6 years and none of it has even pitted.
boy that $250 was sure a waste Yeah right. you have to be stupid to think it
doesn't help. yes it can be done wrong but you can choose where you go.

Todd E. wrote:

> Undercoating and rustproofing are total wastes of money. You just parted
> with hard earned money and recieved no actual benefit. Not only that, but
> covering up the rusty area with undercoating just took away any avenue you
> may have to correct the problem. Very big mistake. The proper action would
> have been for you to sand the rust off and repaint the now clean surface.
>
> snarl wrote:
>
> > > Chris Stout wrote:
> > > At the time of purchase, I elected not to get the vehicle
> > > undercoated/rustproofed. Now that I'm stationed in Michigan
> > > where the winters are long and the road salt plentiful,
> > > I'm reconsidering. Would it be wise to get my truck
> > > undercoated/rustproofed?
> >
> > As I understand it, the 5-year rust-through guarantee puts vehicle
> > manufacturers at very little risk. It takes about that long for rust to
> > show on modern double-side-galvanized steel panels, so when it does show
> > up, your warranty has expired. If you are planning to keep your truck
> > longer than the 5-year warranty, I would rust-proof it. My independent
> > rust-proofer offered a lifetime guarantee but only if performed within
> > the first 3000 miles. (I decided to have mine done at about 9,000
> > miles.) You also have to show up for brief inspections every year.
> >
> > I also had the undercoating done because the frame had lots of surface
> > rust. I don't know if it will help, but it certainly covered up the
> > problem, although I've noticed a patch or two that wants to come off. (I
> > wonder whether mechanics hate working on an undercoated vehicle?) There
> > was no guarantee with the undercoating.
> >
> > Karl Nyhus, Minneapolis, MN
> > 1997 Ford F-150 XL Super Cab, short box, Pacific Green, delivered May of
> > 1997, 4.6L V8(280 cid), 4WD, 3.08 axles, 5-speed manual transmission,
> > LT225/75R16/D Goodyear Wrangler AT/S tires (max 65psi, currently running
> > at 55psi cold) on 16" painted steel wheels, polyknit bench seat, Better
> > Built toolbox, rust-proofed/undercoated, Line-X spray-in liner
> > installation postponed until tomorrow (their sprayer is recovering from
> > unspecified surgery)
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Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 23:23:59 -0500
From: Chad Royse
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - re: Undercoating

Are you sure they sand blasted it? I don't think that would be a good idea for two
reasons. 1) Most frames have a gooey tar like stuff on them that's tougher than
primer, even etching primer. 2) Sand blasting the entire underside of an assembled
vehicle would get sand into everything. Then it would wear in area's like between
the body mounts and the body. Creating a prime rust prone area.

Chad A Dietrich wrote:

> Todd when I got my truck undercoted the sandblasted the whole under carage then
> primed it and undercoted it. its been 6 years and none of it has even pitted.
> boy that $250 was sure a waste Yeah right. you have to be stupid to think it
> doesn't help. yes it can be done wrong but you can choose where you go.

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Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 20:19:36 -0800
From: Danny Gaudenti
Subject: FTE 97up - headers for the 4.2L

AFAIK, no one makes them yet. But I did receive the following reply to an
email I sent to JBA. Anybody live near San Diego?

______________________________________________


Danny,
In response to your questions about headers for your 4.2 V-6. We do not
currently offer one but it is on our list of new products for the coming
year. At this point we just finished up 6 other new headers and once
our plate is clear of all that we will go forward with the 4.2 headers.
You wouldn't happen to be here in San Diego would you? We will be in
need for some trucks to prototype on if you are interested. At this
point I don't have too much info but I will be happy to keep you posted
on what we come up with. I would like to thank you for your interest in
the JBA line of headers.
Kindest Regards,
Jeff J. Bell
jbell jbaracing.com
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