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In this issue:

Re: FTE 97up - Re: tire pressures
FTE 97up - Week #43 commodities
Re: FTE 97up - V10 + 3.73 or 4.30?
FTE 97up - Vibration complaints?
Re: FTE 97up - Re: tire pressures
FTE 97up - Metal shaving in diffirential
Re: FTE 97up - Vibration complaints?
Re: FTE 97up - V10 + 3.73 or 4.30?
Re: FTE 97up - Vibration complaints?
Re: FTE 97up - Metal shaving in diffirential
Re: FTE 97up - V10 + 3.73 or 4.30?
Re: FTE 97up - V10 + 3.73 or 4.30?
Re: FTE 97up - Re: tire pressures
Re: FTE 97up - Vibration complaints?
Re: FTE 97up - Vibration complaints?
Re: FTE 97up - Still Waiting for my F-350 Crew PSD DRW...
FTE 97up - trip comp.
Re: FTE 97up - Metal shaving in diffirential
Re: FTE 97up - Re: tire pressures
Re: FTE 97up - V10 + 3.73 or 4.30?
FTE 97up - Mileage
FTE 97up - ADMIN: SoCal Pickups
FTE 97up - Looking for truck club
FTE 97up - ADMIN: Volunteers, an invitation......
Re: FTE 97up - Re: tire pressures
FTE 97up - ADMIN: My deepest thanks
Re: FTE 97up - V10 + 3.73 or 4.30?
Re: FTE 97up - Re: tire pressures

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 08:22:29 -0500
From: kauppij vfc.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: tire pressures

Karl,

I have the load chart for the 265 Firestone Steeltex radials. If you
have these tires and are interested, email me and I'll dig it up and
send it to you.

Jim

ae4hl cwixmail.com


______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: tire pressures
Author: at Internet
Date: 10/28/98 6:15 PM


> The Hepburn wrote:
> The optimum pressure for a tire can be found
> on the tire manufacturer's load charts.

So where the heck do you get "tire manufacturer's load charts"? I've
asked at lots of tire stores all brands, checked manufacturer's web
sites, and talked to whoever answered the Goodyear customer service
number and can't find 'em anywhere. BTW, I'd be interested in Goodyear
Wrnagler AT/S and BFG All-Terrain T/A. Thanks.

- Karl Nyhus, Minneapolis, MN -
1997 Ford F-150 XL SuperCab, 6-1/2' box, Pacific Green, 4.6L V8(280
cid), 4WD, 3.08 axles, 5-speed manual, LT225/75R16/D Goodyear Wrangler
AT/S tires (max 65psi, currently running at 55psi cold) on 16" painted
steel wheels, polyknit bench seat, Better Built toolbox,
rust-proofed/undercoated, Line-X spray-in bedliner
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 10:05:44 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: FTE 97up - Week #43 commodities

These are the projected commodities (maximum percentage that can be built)
on certain items. This is for the Kansas City region, but should be similar
in other regions.

Windstar-
Quad Seats (includes SE &SEL) 65%
SE series 79%
SEL series 15%
LX quad seats 16%
CD+Cass. radio 86%
4th Door 89%

Expedition-
power adjustable pedals 16%

Explorer-
4.0L OHV total- 19%
5.0L 15%
4.0L SOHC 65%
Dual media radio 75%

Econoline
6.8L V-10 6%
7.3L Power Stroke 18%
racks and bins 100%
Premium Cassette 12%
Cass+ CD radio 0%

Ranger
2.5L 9%
3.0L 65%
4.0L 25%
4 door supercab 30%
` total fixed rear window (non slider) 56%

Lt Duty F-Series (F-150/F-250 under 8500 GVWR)
4.2L total 50%
4.2L Automatic 32%
4.6L 31%
5.4L 19%
CD changer (91P) 7%

Super Duty F-Series
5.4L 20%
6.8L total 25%
6.8L with pickup (non Chassis Cab) 10%
7.3L Power Stroke Diesel total 55%
7.3L automatic 38%
7.3L with pickup 56%
total automatic 67%
F-350 DRW pickup 26%
F-350 DRW chassis 10%
F-250/350 SRW 4x4 67%
total Crew cab 17%
Total pickups 88%
Lariat trim 21%
tutone 30%
Cassette+CD radio 37%

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.
Ford Mercury
Union, IA 50258



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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 11:17:39 -0500
From: kauppij vfc.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - V10 + 3.73 or 4.30?

Dick,

Don't be too quick to dismiss first hand reports. There isn't a huge
SD base out there yet and consequently you will not find as much
information as you would on Ford Taurus' for example. The vibration
problem is/was real. Whether it has been corrected is not known. I
passed on buying an F250 SC 4x4 ESOF last month because the dealer
told me it was in the shop to fix a vibration problem. I bought the
manual hubs/transfer case instead. My reports on towing performance
was real and factual. My truck did not meet my expectations. Is the
towing performance unsatisfactory? Compared to a 4.6L F150, no...
but it is subpar compared to my expectations. Most people praise
whatever they own or just bought, no matter if it is a TV, camcorder,
new car or boat. When someone has a complaint and voices it in a
logical, descriptive way, I usually pay attention and will do extra
research to track down additional information.

Good luck and hope you enjoy your truck after delivery.

Jim Kauppila

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Subject: FTE 97up - V10 + 3.73 or 4.30?
Author: at Internet
Date: 10/28/98 11:02 AM


I saw on a msg board or two an instance or two of: 1)
vibrations at certain RPMs (30-45 mph?) with this combo (SC, LB),
and 2) unsatisfactory performance when towing weights in the
5-6000lb range. Again, this is one or two instances, so one
can't place too much weight on them,.

Any information on this combination with respect to vibrations,
or towing performance, or mileage benefits? I've a couple
positive reports of towing capabilities with the 4.30 ("a good
match"), and one with the 3.73 ("just pop it out of OD for towing
my 10,000lb trailer up grades"). I'd really like some more data
points though; I'm uneasy. First-hand or second-hand
experience, or opinions, are quite welcome.

Thank you very much, in advance,

Dick Dorff

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 09:13:51 -0800
From: Ken Peterson
Subject: FTE 97up - Vibration complaints?

I've seen several folks report here about certain "vibration problems" with
recently purchased trucks.

My F250LD SC SB has a driveline resonance that is quite noticable at
exactly 64 mph, disappearing 3mph on both sides of that speed. It's
apparently common to my configuration. The dealer talked about u-joint
angles, long driveshaft, etc. No fix from Ford.

But I found the technique of adding two 4.5" hose clamps to the rear of the
driveshaft as balance weights: when they are arranged so the screws are
opposing each other, they cancel out, having no effect. Then you can move
the screws closer to each other to add weight, and reorient the pair to
locate the weight.

I found that using this to add a slight weight in the same orientation as
the existing welded balance weight reduced the vibration a lot! I left the
clamps just loose enough to adjust on the fly. I took a piece of carpet
with me on roads trips, and a marker pen. I could pull up onto clean
pavement somewhere, scoot under and twiddle the weights and mark them, then
drive some more.

I found a setting I'm pleased with.

Bottom line: There is a humming resonance that greatly amplifies driveline
imbalance on my truck. The resonance is still there, but balancing the
driveshaft sure helped. I note that new SD trucks have a big cylindrical
dingus on the driveshaft near the rear u-joint. Hmm-m-m...

The hose-clamp technique is also described in the big shop manual, by the way.

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Ken Peterson, Portland, OR
1998 F-250LD Lariat, extended cab, short bed, 4X2, 5.4l, class-3 tow options
LT245X16/steel rims, 4W disks + ABS, load-leveling rear suspension.
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 09:01:18 -0800
From: Ken Peterson
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: tire pressures

>So where the heck do you get "tire manufacturer's load charts"? I've
>asked at lots of tire stores all brands, checked manufacturer's web
>sites, and talked to whoever answered the Goodyear customer service
>number and can't find 'em anywhere. BTW, I'd be interested in Goodyear
>Wrnagler AT/S and BFG All-Terrain T/A. Thanks.

Um, I really think that it's energy wasted to obsess over this! The tire
pressure varies considerable as you drive the vehicle due to temperature
changes of the tire. On a sunny Wednesday on the freeway, your tires are a
*lot*warmer than the following Thursday in the rain.

This isn't rocket science, but common sense. Both underinflation and
excessive inflation have problems. Try something reasonable in the
upper-middle of the range of zero to max. pressure, and check how the tread
is lying on the road, what the ride is like, how well it handles, etc. I
found my F-250LD with its stock LT245/70-16 Wrangler APs were about optimum
at 45# morning-cold front and rear, lightly loaded. 40# is a little more
comfortable, but the handling improves on the road at 45#. 50# starts to
feel quite harsh without any handling improvement.

Loaded, the rears would be upped to 55-75#, depending, and I might up the
fronts to 50# to counter the extra braking load.

The idea, I think, is to try something reasonable for a while, then
experiment a bit. There's no *right* or *wrong* here, except at extremes.
(Severe underinflation is dangerous!)

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Ken Peterson, Portland, OR
1998 F-250LD Lariat, extended cab, short bed, 4X2, 5.4l, class-3 tow options
LT245X16/steel rims, 4W disks + ABS, load-leveling rear suspension.
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 12:47:36 EST
From: LegalImag aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Metal shaving in diffirential

2 days ago I had my oil changed at an oil changing place where they check
everything out and ad fluids if you need them.

I have a 98 F150 4X4 with the 3.55 and 4.6L.

Anyway my question is

Is it normal for you to find metal shavings in the diff and it be about a pint
low after 9000 miles? Also the service guy there told me the transmission
fluid was about a quart low. Should I take it back to the dealer and have
them look at it?

Thanks in advance
Scott
Legalimag aol.com
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 14:03:37 EST
From: RAMWORKER aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Vibration complaints?

Hi Ken,

Just a quick suggestion, why don't you pull the driveshaft and take it over
to a driveshaft shop and have it rebalanced? You've apparently found the
source of your problem, just make the fix permanent.

Best Regards,
Robert

In a message dated 10/29/98 11:18:16 AM Central Standard Time, kmp imagina.com
writes:

> But I found the technique of adding two 4.5" hose clamps to the rear of the
> driveshaft as balance weights: when they are arranged so the screws are
> opposing each other, they cancel out, having no effect. Then you can move
> the screws closer to each other to add weight, and reorient the pair to
> locate the weight.
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 14:26:36 -0500
From: Dick_Dorff baynetworks.com (Dick Dorff)
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - V10 + 3.73 or 4.30?

Jim,

Given that I've tried to exhaustivly read every message board I know of, directly
emailed each person reporting the problems, and many people known to have a similar
configuration hasn't reported the problems, and sought additional input from any
others on both email lists known, I'd like to think I am giving these first hand
reports as much consideration as is possible, short of changing the V10+3.73ls+ESOF
combination. Maybe I should do that as well. That's why I'm seeking additional
data points.

What I meant by "...this is one or two instances, so one can't place too much weight
on them." is not that they might not be credible, but that it's hard to say that
they are the rule for each truck with that configuration, and not just something
wrong with two unique trucks reporting one of two problems. I apologize if I gave
the wrong impression.

I, and from what I've read, most others who've responded to your towing performance
problem do believe that your problem is real. But, consensus is, so far as I can
tell, is that there is something wrong/defective with your particular truck. It's
acknowledged that it's a very hard problem to convince the dealer of though, since
it's somewhat subjective (ie "feels like towing performance is way less than it
should be"). However, people seem incredulous about the dropping from 4.30 to 3.73
just killing a V10's towing capabilities being a general rule for that engine. I've
heard that engine horsepower and torque can perhaps be measured on a dynometer.
I've no information on this, but perhaps you could check that out, with an
independent, and have the truck's power quantified by a machine. Anyone else know
of the existence of horsepower/torque measurers?

Still seeking more V10 + 3.73 (ltd slip, not that it should make a difference) in a
SD 250 CC, SB, ESOF datapoints on vibrations or towing performance, but quite
appreciative of those received so far,

Dick Dorff

kauppij vfc.com wrote:

> Dick,
>
> Don't be too quick to dismiss first hand reports. There isn't a huge
> SD base out there yet and consequently you will not find as much
> information as you would on Ford Taurus' for example. The vibration
> problem is/was real. Whether it has been corrected is not known. I
> passed on buying an F250 SC 4x4 ESOF last month because the dealer
> told me it was in the shop to fix a vibration problem. I bought the
> manual hubs/transfer case instead. My reports on towing performance
> was real and factual. My truck did not meet my expectations. Is the
> towing performance unsatisfactory? Compared to a 4.6L F150, no...
> but it is subpar compared to my expectations. Most people praise
> whatever they own or just bought, no matter if it is a TV, camcorder,
> new car or boat. When someone has a complaint and voices it in a
> logical, descriptive way, I usually pay attention and will do extra
> research to track down additional information.
>
> Good luck and hope you enjoy your truck after delivery.
>
> Jim Kauppila
>
> ______________________________ Reply Separator



> I saw on a msg board or two an instance or two of: 1)
> vibrations at certain RPMs (30-45 mph?) with this combo (SC, LB),
> and 2) unsatisfactory performance when towing weights in the
> 5-6000lb range. Again, this is one or two instances, so one
> can't place too much weight on them,.
>
> Any information on this combination with respect to vibrations,
> or towing performance, or mileage benefits? I've a couple
> positive reports of towing capabilities with the 4.30 ("a good
> match"), and one with the 3.73 ("just pop it out of OD for towing
> my 10,000lb trailer up grades"). I'd really like some more data
> points though; I'm uneasy. First-hand or second-hand
> experience, or opinions, are quite welcome.
>
> Thank you very much, in advance,
>
> Dick Dorff



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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 15:05:17 -0600
From: Jeff Hagen
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Vibration complaints?

This problem has been driving me nuts for a couple weeks now. After
my truck hit about 600 miles I began to notice it. It "resonates"
in any gear when the tach enters the 1600-1700 RPM range.
I now have about 1200 miles on my '98 F150 SC 4x4 ORP 5.4l.

Are you saying the dealer may not be willing to fix this?

- - Jeff


At 09:13 AM 10/29/98 -0800, you wrote:
>I've seen several folks report here about certain "vibration problems" with
>recently purchased trucks.
>


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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 16:04:31 -0500
From: Jean Marc Chartier
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Metal shaving in diffirential

LegalImag aol.com wrote:
>
> 2 days ago I had my oil changed at an oil changing place where they check
> everything out and ad fluids if you need them.
>
> I have a 98 F150 4X4 with the 3.55 and 4.6L.
>
> Anyway my question is
>
> Is it normal for you to find metal shavings in the diff and it be about a pint
> low after 9000 miles? Also the service guy there told me the transmission
> fluid was about a quart low. Should I take it back to the dealer and have
> them look at it?
>
> Thanks in advance
> Scott
> Legalimag aol.com
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Scott,
I am curious. How did they know the Diff was a pint low?
Did they measure it? Did they put their finger in the fill
hole and see if it was up to the edge? Any way the shavings
are normal. If the fluid levels are low got to your dealer
and have him check it out and top them up.

Regards

Jean Marc Chartier
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 15:05:52 -0600
From: "Charles Abraham"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - V10 + 3.73 or 4.30?

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I'm in a similar situation as Dick, questioning whether or not I made the right decision
in ordering my V10 with the standard 3.73 (not the limited-slip), and not something
bigger.

Being no expert myself on differentials, I ask you all what you think about my choice?
There's still plenty of time to change, so I'm open to comments. But before you answer,
it's also important to know why I choose a F250 SD SC SB V10 3.73 4x4 Lariat, in the
color red. It wasn't for work I can tell you!

I am likely different from most Super Duty buyers, for I bought mine purely on looks. I
got to be honest, I was seduced by the very first one I saw on the dealer's lot, and had
to have one. Moving landscaping and materials; towing my boats, that would be nice to do
too. But it was looks! Plain and simple.

Okay, now about the 3.73 differential. My only rational in choosing the 3.73 was that I
thought it would provide better gas mileage. (I don't know why?) And, I originally had
the 5.4L V8 on order, but after all the bad things said here about that engine, I
switched to the V10. (Wasn't I just talking about mileage?) Anyway, at that time I
didn't really consider changing differentials too. But now I am - if that be the
consensus. Stick or Switch?

Thanks,

Charles


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I'm in a similar situation as Dick, questioning whether or not I made the
right decision in ordering my V10 with the standard 3.73 (not the limited-slip),
and not something bigger.

Being no expert myself on differentials, I ask you all what you think
about my choice? There's still plenty of time to change, so I'm open to
comments. But before you answer, it's also important to know why I choose
a F250 SD SC SB V10 3.73 4x4 Lariat, in the color red. It wasn't for
work I can tell you!

I am likely different from most Super Duty buyers, for I bought mine
purely on looks. I got to be honest, I was seduced by the very first one
I saw on the dealer's lot, and had to have one. Moving landscaping and
materials; towing my boats, that would be nice to do too. But it was looks!
Plain and simple.

Okay, now about the 3.73 differential. My only rational in choosing
the 3.73 was that I thought it would provide better gas mileage. (I don't
know why?) And, I originally had the 5.4L V8 on order, but after all the
bad things said here about that engine, I switched to the V10. (Wasn't
I just talking about mileage?) Anyway, at that time I didn't really consider
changing differentials too. But now I am - if that be the consensus. Stick
or Switch?

Thanks,

Charles
 
 


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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 18:31:07 -0500
From: Jean Marc Chartier
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - V10 + 3.73 or 4.30?

Charles Abraham wrote:
>
> I'm in a similar situation as Dick, questioning whether or
> not I made the right decision in ordering my V10 with the
> standard 3.73 (not the limited-slip), and not something
> bigger.
>
> Being no expert myself on differentials, I ask you all
> what you think about my choice? There's still plenty of
> time to change, so I'm open to comments. But before you
> answer, it's also important to know why I choose a F250 SD
> SC SB V10 3.73 4x4 Lariat, in the color red. It wasn't for
> work I can tell you!
>
> I am likely different from most Super Duty buyers, for I
> bought mine purely on looks. I got to be honest, I was
> seduced by the very first one I saw on the dealer's lot,
> and had to have one. Moving landscaping and materials;
> towing my boats, that would be nice to do too. But it was
> looks! Plain and simple.
>
> Okay, now about the 3.73 differential. My only rational in
> choosing the 3.73 was that I thought it would provide
> better gas mileage. (I don't know why?) And, I originally
> had the 5.4L V8 on order, but after all the bad things
> said here about that engine, I switched to the V10.
> (Wasn't I just talking about mileage?) Anyway, at that
> time I didn't really consider changing differentials too.
> But now I am - if that be the consensus. Stick or Switch?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Charles
>
>
> >

Charles,

IMHO Whatever differential you finally choose I would get
the limited slip. A 4x4 without is is only a 4x2. One
wheel on each corner could start to slip and leave you
stuck. The LSD can be tricky on heavily crowned roads when
it is slippery out but it forces you to slow down which is
safer any way.

Regards

Jean Marc Chartier
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 19:50:09 EST
From: BLUESKY636 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: tire pressures

Here's an easy, fool proof method to determine the optimum tire pressure for
ANY tire brand, size and load:

1. Using a piece of white chalk, make a mark about 2-3 inches wide across the
tire tread from shoulder to shoulder in three places on the tread. Mark both
front and rear.

2. Roll the truck in one direction (forward or backward) so that all three
marks show on the pavement.

3. Examine the marks carefully. If the edges show more distinctly than the
middle, the tire is underinflated. Add air. If the center shows more
distinctly than the edges, the tire is overinflated. Remove air. Continue the
process until the marks on the pavement are as even as possible.

This method can be used to fine tune the tire pressures under any load
condition. It can also be used to account for differences between tire brands.
No, a BFG and a Goodyear of the same size may not necessarily require the same
pressure for optimum performance due to differences in tread or sidewall
construction.

Bill and Deb Haegele and Betsy and Oliver (The Fourwheeling Puppies)
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 17:00:27 -0800
From: Ken Peterson
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Vibration complaints?

>This problem has been driving me nuts for a couple weeks now. After
>my truck hit about 600 miles I began to notice it. It "resonates"
>in any gear when the tach enters the 1600-1700 RPM range.
>I now have about 1200 miles on my '98 F150 SC 4x4 ORP 5.4l.

Woops! This has to be a different problem.

If the vibration is *tach* dependent, it can't be the driveline, since it
rotates at a speed that's totally vehicle-speed dependent. Only rotating
machinery *ahead* of the transmission (including the torque converter) is
measured by the tach.

Maybe you have an engine imbalance, and I certainly would raise hell. And
why after 600 mi?? That would worry me: what has changed? My 5.4l V8 is
butter smooth all the way up to the upper rev limit.

- ---------------
Ken Peterson, Portland, OR
1998 F-250LD Lariat, extended cab, short bed, 4X2, 5.4l, class-3 tow options
LT245X16/steel rims, 4W disks + ABS, load-leveling rear suspension.
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 16:55:26 -0800
From: Ken Peterson
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Vibration complaints?

> Just a quick suggestion, why don't you pull the driveshaft and take it over
>to a driveshaft shop and have it rebalanced? You've apparently found the
>source of your problem, just make the fix permanent.

Actually that's far more trouble than what I've already done, and I have
control over the quality of the work. If I have the driveshaft balanced by
someone else, I have to trust they'll do a good job and they'll disassemble
and reassemble the end attachments okay. And then I'll have to pay for it.
The clamps cost a couple bucks!

I didn't mention that the vibration varies a bit with temperature. I've
picked a setting for the balance weights that works for me most of the time.

I could also (but haven't yet) do the same thing to the front of the
driveshaft. I'm not terribly motivated just now.

Given how much vibration is caused by tiny amounts of unbalance, I believe
the true *cause* of user irritation is the resonance, and that the solution
would be added damping placed somewhere to trap it. I don't think I can
expect Ford to production-line balance the driveshaft within the tiny
tolerances that would result in zero vibration.

- ---------------
Ken Peterson, Portland, OR
1998 F-250LD Lariat, extended cab, short bed, 4X2, 5.4l, class-3 tow options
LT245X16/steel rims, 4W disks + ABS, load-leveling rear suspension.
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 17:19:44 -0800
From: Gary Newlin
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Still Waiting for my F-350 Crew PSD DRW...

Thanks to Nathan and all the others who responded. I have found that
this list consistantly has better and more accurate information than my
dealer does.

Now that I understand what "Scheduled" means in Ford-speak, I have a
couple of other questions...

Is there a way that I can find out what my VIN is other than by going
through my dealer?

This may sound like a strange request, but after the past six months of
only calling him once every few weeks, he is less and less interested in
spending any time getting an answer to my simple question; "When will I
find out my delivery date?" I realize that he's not going to make much
on this deal, but after all, I'm getting ready to spend around $38,000
or so for this truck, and I don't think the question is out of line. No
doubt he would rather not hear from me untill he calls me to tell me to
bring him his money because my truck has finally arrived. Were it not
for your replies yesterday, I wouldn't expect this to happen untill
mid-winter, 2003 or so.

Two other questions;

First, does the trip computer have an instantaineous fuel mileage
display, and is it equipped with both interior and exterior temperature
readouts?

Thanks again for your help. gcn

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 16:33:43 -0900
From: Perry Klein
Subject: FTE 97up - trip comp.

Only an average readout on mine and
Just exterior temp.

>Two other questions;
>
>First, does the trip computer have an instantaineous fuel mileage
>display, and is it equipped with both interior and exterior temperature
>readouts?



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Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 20:56:00 -0500
From: "Anne Mitchell"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Metal shaving in diffirential

I hope my truck doesn't have the same problems! I think this is definitely
NOT normal. I have never had to fill the rear differential (except in my 74
Alfa) in my trucks. And the transmission fluid should have been checked at
the dealership when delivered. I'd go to the dealer next time at least they
would have some sense of what is normal and what is not for consumption.

Steve
- -----Original Message-----


>2 days ago I had my oil changed at an oil changing place where they check
>everything out and ad fluids if you need them.
>
>I have a 98 F150 4X4 with the 3.55 and 4.6L.
>
>Is it normal for you to find metal shavings in the diff and it be about a
pint
>low after 9000 miles? Also the service guy there told me the transmission
>fluid was about a quart low. Should I take it back to the dealer and have
>them look at it?
>
>Thanks in advance
>Scott


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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 20:31:13 -0600
From: snarl
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: tire pressures

Jim wrote:
> I have the load chart for the
> 265 Firestone Steeltex radials.

I don't have these tires but I still would like to see the load chart.
Thanks.

- Karl Nyhus, Minneapolis, MN -
1997 Ford F-150 XL SuperCab, 6-1/2' box, Pacific Green, 4.6L V8(280
cid), 4WD, 3.08 axles, 5-speed manual, LT225/75R16/D Goodyear Wrangler
AT/S tires (max 65psi, currently running at 55psi cold) on 16" painted
steel wheels, polyknit bench seat, Better Built toolbox,
rust-proofed/undercoated, Line-X spray-in liner
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 98 21:02:39 PST
From: "Jeff"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - V10 + 3.73 or 4.30?

I have a 99 F350 SD XLT, LWB, SRW, LWB, Auto, V10, man hubs, and 4.30 gea=
red LS diffs, and in my
opinion, 4.30 gearing is the way to go. It puts you in a RPM range that =
provides higher torque and HP at HWYspeeds. If you ever want to go
to larger tires, say 285's (which will drop the RPM about 100-150 RPM at =
75MPH) 4.30 gearing will keep you from losing power, and in fact, accord=
ing to the torque/horse power curve charts for the V10, increase both.
People spend a lot of money changing their ring and pinion gears after =
putting on larger tires to compensate for the reduced RPM.
I have the new Bridgestone 285/75's, and even with 4.30 gears, it'll occa=
sionally downshift to 3rd going up very steep hills at highway speeds =
with no load in the back (however, this is in the Rocky Mountains where =
elevation plays a factor). I'm sure if I had the 3.73 gears, it would =
always be downshifting to 3rd upon reaching less severe inclines.
Jeff



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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 21:02:47 -0600
From: "shane o. conger"
Subject: FTE 97up - Mileage

Hello, haven't posted in a while. I got several messages from
individuals about the mileage I had posted that I was getting from my 98
F-150 4x2 SC SB 4.6l. Here are some updated mileage numbers.

Date Mileage Miles
Gallons Cost MPG
8/18/98 7531 361.0 20.26
$21.25 17.82
8/25/98 7924 392.2
22.02 22.00 17.81
9/1/98 8288 364.0
20.27 20.25 17.96
9/6/98 8581 292.6
16.52 16.50 17.71
9/11/98 8952 368.6
20.52 20.50 17.96
9/17/98 9342 390.2
22.41 21.50 17.41
9/23/98 9739 397.4
22.27 22.25 17.84
9/27/98 10011 271.9
15.11 16.00 17.99
9/30/98 10355 343.8
19.83 21.00 17.34
10/7/98 10651 296.5
17.94 19.00 16.53
10/13/98 11006 347.1 20.30
21.50 17.10
10/19/98 11371 365.8 21.01
22.25 17.41
10/23/98 11596 224.5 13.14
13.00 17.08
10/29/98 11973 341.1 21.23
21.00 16.07


That's pretty well up to date on that. I drive 26 miles one way to
work, mostly secondary highway with some Peoria as well. Very happy
with the mileage so far and hopes it keeps up. As for the rest of the
truck, well, what can I say - It's a FORD.

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 23:00:34 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 97up - ADMIN: SoCal Pickups

Dear Ford Truck Enthusiasts list members:

We have a new advertiser on our web site. Since the beginning,
our practice with web site advertisers has been to make a brief
announcement for 2 days (this is day 2 of 2). Please show your
appreciation to SoCal Pick-Ups for helping to support the web
site and the lists by checking them out (this is a temporary page
until they have their site up):

http://www.ford-trucks.com/socal.html

"SoCal Pick-Ups started over 25 years ago as the first restoration
parts business to focus soley on the 53-56 F-100's. Now, SoCal
is now under new ownership. With this new ownership there has
come a renewed emphasis in making sure SoCal is THE place to go
to get the help you need to successfully create the F-100 of
your dreams.

SoCal has made changes in all areas of their operation in order
to bring the best possible service to those rebuilding 1948-1966
F-100's. They have a new catalogue that is updated monthly with
new products, a new customer oriented computer system that keeps
track of every item ever purchased by a customer to enhance their
ability to provide personalized service, and even a few new
employees dedicated to making you successful with your truck
project."

We would like to you to let them know you heard about them via
the Ford Truck Enthusiasts group.

Now returning you to our regularly scheduled program...

Ken Payne
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts

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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 10:13:50 -0800
From: Nicolas Mosaquites III
Subject: FTE 97up - Looking for truck club

Hi' I live in montclair ca. I'm looking for a truck club that's for
fords only.
I have a 1998 ford F150 triton it's the 50 year edition it's very clean
.
anyone out there know's of a club let me know .



thanks

Nick


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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 23:04:03 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 97up - ADMIN: Volunteers, an invitation......

Ladies and Gentlemen, as some of you know I started a list, called
the "Core" list, to help me in my administrative decisions toward
the Ford Truck Enthusiasts lists. I initially chose those who were
active in responding on the lists and whom I considerd my friends
which was a good way to start but more is needed. As the list
matured I realized we need more help and some of my first choices,
while good people and interested in ford trucks are either not in
a position to participate very much or don't feel qualified but
since they had no say in their selection this is not in any way to
their discredit.

What I would like to do now is invite any who feel they have time
and resources to assist in decision making, committee participation
for events planning and participation, or to hold an office in a
club (which we have already begun discussing on the core list) to
come forward privately via email to my mail box kpayne ford-trucks.com
stating your offer, including what you can participate in, what
office you may feel qualified for, email and other computer resources
you have etc. so I can compile a list of people to add to the core
list and from which committees can be formed for planning such things
as the Pigeon Forge event next May and working on the club idea etc..

We may split the core list up into committee lists to cut down on your
email traffic and these discussions don't typically generate a lot of
email so it shouldn't add too much to your mail burden in any case.

Please reply ASAP so we can develop the lists and make our selections.
This is a preliminary, group invitation and we expect more respondees
than there are jobs to fill so please do not be offended if you are
not selected. We appreciate all assistance but only need so many for
these functions so some will not be asked even though qualified. I
will be keeping the list in case more openings come up so you may be
asked at a later date and if any do not resond today but feel inclined
later to volunteer, please feel free to email me in this regard and
I will add you to my list :-)

Please remember that those responding will be expected to participate
to some extent in discussions and activities so don't apply if you
are not in a position to do this. Thank you very much for your past
support. We look forward to greater things in the future, with your
help :-)

Regards,
Ken Payne
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 22:09:16 -0600
From: "Mike Fairleigh"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: tire pressures

In case anyone cares, I've found that on my truck ('98 F-150 XLT SC 4x2 with
GoodYear Wrangler AP 255x70x16's), the optimum pressure appears to be 32 psi
front and rear. According to the door plate, 32psi is the higher of the two
pressures to use, and since it's more convenient to just remember a single
pressure I just go with it all the way around. At just over 10,000 miles
and judging from the wear patterns, it appears to be just *barely* on the
over-inflated side, which is where I prefer to be.

Mike Fairleigh
mikef sky.net
...Always remembering their sacrifices.



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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 23:14:44 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 97up - ADMIN: My deepest thanks

I just received a gift from one of the list members. It was
through the contributions of many of the list members that
I was given this gift. These contributions were made behind
the scenes, without my knowledge, after the Pigeon Forge
Supernationals show that Ford Truck Enthusiasts participated
in.

Since I don't have the email addresses of all those involved,
I wanted to take this opportunity to thank everyone who
contributed towards this gift. It was not an insignificant
gift and I really appreciate the gesture.

Just wait till next year's Pigeon Forge show!
Regards,
Ken Payne
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com



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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 23:47:13 -0500
From: "Todd E."
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - V10 + 3.73 or 4.30?

I have read of many such problems with the ESOF and ltd slip. Enough to convince me not
to get the ESOF. The source of most of this information is :
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://4x44u.vmag.com/forum/f250-1097/

Dick Dorff wrote:

> Jim,
>
> Given that I've tried to exhaustivly read every message board I know of, directly
> emailed each person reporting the problems, and many people known to have a similar
> configuration hasn't reported the problems, and sought additional input from any
> others on both email lists known, I'd like to think I am giving these first hand
> reports as much consideration as is possible, short of changing the V10+3.73ls+ESOF
> combination. Maybe I should do that as well. That's why I'm seeking additional
> data points.
>
> What I meant by "...this is one or two instances, so one can't place too much weight
> on them." is not that they might not be credible, but that it's hard to say that
> they are the rule for each truck with that configuration, and not just something
> wrong with two unique trucks reporting one of two problems. I apologize if I gave
> the wrong impression.
>
> I, and from what I've read, most others who've responded to your towing performance
> problem do believe that your problem is real. But, consensus is, so far as I can
> tell, is that there is something wrong/defective with your particular truck. It's
> acknowledged that it's a very hard problem to convince the dealer of though, since
> it's somewhat subjective (ie "feels like towing performance is way less than it
> should be"). However, people seem incredulous about the dropping from 4.30 to 3.73
> just killing a V10's towing capabilities being a general rule for that engine. I've
> heard that engine horsepower and torque can perhaps be measured on a dynometer.
> I've no information on this, but perhaps you could check that out, with an
> independent, and have the truck's power quantified by a machine. Anyone else know
> of the existence of horsepower/torque measurers?
>
> Still seeking more V10 + 3.73 (ltd slip, not that it should make a difference) in a
> SD 250 CC, SB, ESOF datapoints on vibrations or towing performance, but quite
> appreciative of those received so far,
>
> Dick Dorff
>
> kauppij vfc.com wrote:
>
> > Dick,
> >
> > Don't be too quick to dismiss first hand reports. There isn't a huge
> > SD base out there yet and consequently you will not find as much
> > information as you would on Ford Taurus' for example. The vibration
> > problem is/was real. Whether it has been corrected is not known. I
> > passed on buying an F250 SC 4x4 ESOF last month because the dealer
> > told me it was in the shop to fix a vibration problem. I bought the
> > manual hubs/transfer case instead. My reports on towing performance
> > was real and factual. My truck did not meet my expectations. Is the
> > towing performance unsatisfactory? Compared to a 4.6L F150, no...
> > but it is subpar compared to my expectations. Most people praise
> > whatever they own or just bought, no matter if it is a TV, camcorder,
> > new car or boat. When someone has a complaint and voices it in a
> > logical, descriptive way, I usually pay attention and will do extra
> > research to track down additional information.
> >
> > Good luck and hope you enjoy your truck after delivery.
> >
> > Jim Kauppila
> >
> > ______________________________ Reply Separator
>
>
>
> > I saw on a msg board or two an instance or two of: 1)
> > vibrations at certain RPMs (30-45 mph?) with this combo (SC, LB),
> > and 2) unsatisfactory performance when towing weights in the
> > 5-6000lb range. Again, this is one or two instances, so one
> > can't place too much weight on them,.
> >
> > Any information on this combination with respect to vibrations,
> > or towing performance, or mileage benefits? I've a couple
> > positive reports of towing capabilities with the 4.30 ("a good
> > match"), and one with the 3.73 ("just pop it out of OD for towing
> > my 10,000lb trailer up grades"). I'd really like some more data
> > points though; I'm uneasy. First-hand or second-hand
> > experience, or opinions, are quite welcome.
> >
> > Thank you very much, in advance,
> >
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