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97up-list-digest Friday, October 30 1998 Volume 01 : Number 262 ======================================================================= Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1997 and Newer Trucks and Vans Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - To unsubscribe, send email to: majordomo  ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe 97up-list-digest" in the body of the message. ======================================================================= In this issue: Re: FTE 97up - Re: tire pressures FTE 97up - Week #43 commodities Re: FTE 97up - V10 + 3.73 or 4.30? FTE 97up - Vibration complaints? Re: FTE 97up - Re: tire pressures FTE 97up - Metal shaving in diffirential Re: FTE 97up - Vibration complaints? Re: FTE 97up - V10 + 3.73 or 4.30? Re: FTE 97up - Vibration complaints? Re: FTE 97up - Metal shaving in diffirential Re: FTE 97up - V10 + 3.73 or 4.30? Re: FTE 97up - V10 + 3.73 or 4.30? Re: FTE 97up - Re: tire pressures Re: FTE 97up - Vibration complaints? Re: FTE 97up - Vibration complaints? Re: FTE 97up - Still Waiting for my F-350 Crew PSD DRW... FTE 97up - trip comp. Re: FTE 97up - Metal shaving in diffirential Re: FTE 97up - Re: tire pressures Re: FTE 97up - V10 + 3.73 or 4.30? FTE 97up - Mileage FTE 97up - ADMIN: SoCal Pickups FTE 97up - Looking for truck club FTE 97up - ADMIN: Volunteers, an invitation...... Re: FTE 97up - Re: tire pressures FTE 97up - ADMIN: My deepest thanks Re: FTE 97up - V10 + 3.73 or 4.30? Re: FTE 97up - Re: tire pressures ======================================================================= ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 08:22:29 -0500 From: kauppij vfc.com Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: tire pressures Karl, I have the load chart for the 265 Firestone Steeltex radials. If you have these tires and are interested, email me and I'll dig it up and send it to you. Jim ae4hl cwixmail.com ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: FTE 97up - Re: tire pressures Author: at Internet Date: 10/28/98 6:15 PM > The Hepburn wrote: > The optimum pressure for a tire can be found > on the tire manufacturer's load charts. So where the heck do you get "tire manufacturer's load charts"? I've asked at lots of tire stores all brands, checked manufacturer's web sites, and talked to whoever answered the Goodyear customer service number and can't find 'em anywhere. BTW, I'd be interested in Goodyear Wrnagler AT/S and BFG All-Terrain T/A. Thanks. - Karl Nyhus, Minneapolis, MN - 1997 Ford F-150 XL SuperCab, 6-1/2' box, Pacific Green, 4.6L V8(280 cid), 4WD, 3.08 axles, 5-speed manual, LT225/75R16/D Goodyear Wrangler AT/S tires (max 65psi, currently running at 55psi cold) on 16" painted steel wheels, polyknit bench seat, Better Built toolbox, rust-proofed/undercoated, Line-X spray-in bedliner == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 10:05:44 -0600 From: "Union Auto" Subject: FTE 97up - Week #43 commodities These are the projected commodities (maximum percentage that can be built) on certain items. This is for the Kansas City region, but should be similar in other regions. Windstar- Quad Seats (includes SE &SEL) 65% SE series 79% SEL series 15% LX quad seats 16% CD+Cass. radio 86% 4th Door 89% Expedition- power adjustable pedals 16% Explorer- 4.0L OHV total- 19% 5.0L 15% 4.0L SOHC 65% Dual media radio 75% Econoline 6.8L V-10 6% 7.3L Power Stroke 18% racks and bins 100% Premium Cassette 12% Cass+ CD radio 0% Ranger 2.5L 9% 3.0L 65% 4.0L 25% 4 door supercab 30% ` total fixed rear window (non slider) 56% Lt Duty F-Series (F-150/F-250 under 8500 GVWR) 4.2L total 50% 4.2L Automatic 32% 4.6L 31% 5.4L 19% CD changer (91P) 7% Super Duty F-Series 5.4L 20% 6.8L total 25% 6.8L with pickup (non Chassis Cab) 10% 7.3L Power Stroke Diesel total 55% 7.3L automatic 38% 7.3L with pickup 56% total automatic 67% F-350 DRW pickup 26% F-350 DRW chassis 10% F-250/350 SRW 4x4 67% total Crew cab 17% Total pickups 88% Lariat trim 21% tutone 30% Cassette+CD radio 37% Nathan Bernard Union Auto, Inc. Ford Mercury Union, IA 50258 == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 11:17:39 -0500 From: kauppij vfc.com Subject: Re: FTE 97up - V10 + 3.73 or 4.30? Dick, Don't be too quick to dismiss first hand reports. There isn't a huge SD base out there yet and consequently you will not find as much information as you would on Ford Taurus' for example. The vibration problem is/was real. Whether it has been corrected is not known. I passed on buying an F250 SC 4x4 ESOF last month because the dealer told me it was in the shop to fix a vibration problem. I bought the manual hubs/transfer case instead. My reports on towing performance was real and factual. My truck did not meet my expectations. Is the towing performance unsatisfactory? Compared to a 4.6L F150, no... but it is subpar compared to my expectations. Most people praise whatever they own or just bought, no matter if it is a TV, camcorder, new car or boat. When someone has a complaint and voices it in a logical, descriptive way, I usually pay attention and will do extra research to track down additional information. Good luck and hope you enjoy your truck after delivery. Jim Kauppila ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: FTE 97up - V10 + 3.73 or 4.30? Author: at Internet Date: 10/28/98 11:02 AM I saw on a msg board or two an instance or two of: 1) vibrations at certain RPMs (30-45 mph?) with this combo (SC, LB), and 2) unsatisfactory performance when towing weights in the 5-6000lb range. Again, this is one or two instances, so one can't place too much weight on them,. Any information on this combination with respect to vibrations, or towing performance, or mileage benefits? I've a couple positive reports of towing capabilities with the 4.30 ("a good match"), and one with the 3.73 ("just pop it out of OD for towing my 10,000lb trailer up grades"). I'd really like some more data points though; I'm uneasy. First-hand or second-hand experience, or opinions, are quite welcome. Thank you very much, in advance, Dick Dorff == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 09:13:51 -0800 From: Ken Peterson Subject: FTE 97up - Vibration complaints? I've seen several folks report here about certain "vibration problems" with recently purchased trucks. My F250LD SC SB has a driveline resonance that is quite noticable at exactly 64 mph, disappearing 3mph on both sides of that speed. It's apparently common to my configuration. The dealer talked about u-joint angles, long driveshaft, etc. No fix from Ford. But I found the technique of adding two 4.5" hose clamps to the rear of the driveshaft as balance weights: when they are arranged so the screws are opposing each other, they cancel out, having no effect. Then you can move the screws closer to each other to add weight, and reorient the pair to locate the weight. I found that using this to add a slight weight in the same orientation as the existing welded balance weight reduced the vibration a lot! I left the clamps just loose enough to adjust on the fly. I took a piece of carpet with me on roads trips, and a marker pen. I could pull up onto clean pavement somewhere, scoot under and twiddle the weights and mark them, then drive some more. I found a setting I'm pleased with. Bottom line: There is a humming resonance that greatly amplifies driveline imbalance on my truck. The resonance is still there, but balancing the driveshaft sure helped. I note that new SD trucks have a big cylindrical dingus on the driveshaft near the rear u-joint. Hmm-m-m... The hose-clamp technique is also described in the big shop manual, by the way. - --------------- Ken Peterson, Portland, OR 1998 F-250LD Lariat, extended cab, short bed, 4X2, 5.4l, class-3 tow options LT245X16/steel rims, 4W disks + ABS, load-leveling rear suspension. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 09:01:18 -0800 From: Ken Peterson Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: tire pressures >So where the heck do you get "tire manufacturer's load charts"? I've >asked at lots of tire stores all brands, checked manufacturer's web >sites, and talked to whoever answered the Goodyear customer service >number and can't find 'em anywhere. BTW, I'd be interested in Goodyear >Wrnagler AT/S and BFG All-Terrain T/A. Thanks. Um, I really think that it's energy wasted to obsess over this! The tire pressure varies considerable as you drive the vehicle due to temperature changes of the tire. On a sunny Wednesday on the freeway, your tires are a *lot*warmer than the following Thursday in the rain. This isn't rocket science, but common sense. Both underinflation and excessive inflation have problems. Try something reasonable in the upper-middle of the range of zero to max. pressure, and check how the tread is lying on the road, what the ride is like, how well it handles, etc. I found my F-250LD with its stock LT245/70-16 Wrangler APs were about optimum at 45# morning-cold front and rear, lightly loaded. 40# is a little more comfortable, but the handling improves on the road at 45#. 50# starts to feel quite harsh without any handling improvement. Loaded, the rears would be upped to 55-75#, depending, and I might up the fronts to 50# to counter the extra braking load. The idea, I think, is to try something reasonable for a while, then experiment a bit. There's no *right* or *wrong* here, except at extremes. (Severe underinflation is dangerous!) - --------------- Ken Peterson, Portland, OR 1998 F-250LD Lariat, extended cab, short bed, 4X2, 5.4l, class-3 tow options LT245X16/steel rims, 4W disks + ABS, load-leveling rear suspension. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 12:47:36 EST From: LegalImag aol.com Subject: FTE 97up - Metal shaving in diffirential 2 days ago I had my oil changed at an oil changing place where they check everything out and ad fluids if you need them. I have a 98 F150 4X4 with the 3.55 and 4.6L. Anyway my question is Is it normal for you to find metal shavings in the diff and it be about a pint low after 9000 miles? Also the service guy there told me the transmission fluid was about a quart low. Should I take it back to the dealer and have them look at it? Thanks in advance Scott Legalimag aol.com == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 14:03:37 EST From: RAMWORKER aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Vibration complaints? Hi Ken, Just a quick suggestion, why don't you pull the driveshaft and take it over to a driveshaft shop and have it rebalanced? You've apparently found the source of your problem, just make the fix permanent. Best Regards, Robert In a message dated 10/29/98 11:18:16 AM Central Standard Time, kmp imagina.com writes: > But I found the technique of adding two 4.5" hose clamps to the rear of the > driveshaft as balance weights: when they are arranged so the screws are > opposing each other, they cancel out, having no effect. Then you can move > the screws closer to each other to add weight, and reorient the pair to > locate the weight. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 14:26:36 -0500 From: Dick_Dorff baynetworks.com (Dick Dorff) Subject: Re: FTE 97up - V10 + 3.73 or 4.30? Jim, Given that I've tried to exhaustivly read every message board I know of, directly emailed each person reporting the problems, and many people known to have a similar configuration hasn't reported the problems, and sought additional input from any others on both email lists known, I'd like to think I am giving these first hand reports as much consideration as is possible, short of changing the V10+3.73ls+ESOF combination. Maybe I should do that as well. That's why I'm seeking additional data points. What I meant by "...this is one or two instances, so one can't place too much weight on them." is not that they might not be credible, but that it's hard to say that they are the rule for each truck with that configuration, and not just something wrong with two unique trucks reporting one of two problems. I apologize if I gave the wrong impression. I, and from what I've read, most others who've responded to your towing performance problem do believe that your problem is real. But, consensus is, so far as I can tell, is that there is something wrong/defective with your particular truck. It's acknowledged that it's a very hard problem to convince the dealer of though, since it's somewhat subjective (ie "feels like towing performance is way less than it should be"). However, people seem incredulous about the dropping from 4.30 to 3.73 just killing a V10's towing capabilities being a general rule for that engine. I've heard that engine horsepower and torque can perhaps be measured on a dynometer. I've no information on this, but perhaps you could check that out, with an independent, and have the truck's power quantified by a machine. Anyone else know of the existence of horsepower/torque measurers? Still seeking more V10 + 3.73 (ltd slip, not that it should make a difference) in a SD 250 CC, SB, ESOF datapoints on vibrations or towing performance, but quite appreciative of those received so far, Dick Dorff kauppij vfc.com wrote: > Dick, > > Don't be too quick to dismiss first hand reports. There isn't a huge > SD base out there yet and consequently you will not find as much > information as you would on Ford Taurus' for example. The vibration > problem is/was real. Whether it has been corrected is not known. I > passed on buying an F250 SC 4x4 ESOF last month because the dealer > told me it was in the shop to fix a vibration problem. I bought the > manual hubs/transfer case instead. My reports on towing performance > was real and factual. My truck did not meet my expectations. Is the > towing performance unsatisfactory? Compared to a 4.6L F150, no... > but it is subpar compared to my expectations. Most people praise > whatever they own or just bought, no matter if it is a TV, camcorder, > new car or boat. When someone has a complaint and voices it in a > logical, descriptive way, I usually pay attention and will do extra > research to track down additional information. > > Good luck and hope you enjoy your truck after delivery. > > Jim Kauppila > > ______________________________ Reply Separator > I saw on a msg board or two an instance or two of: 1) > vibrations at certain RPMs (30-45 mph?) with this combo (SC, LB), > and 2) unsatisfactory performance when towing weights in the > 5-6000lb range. Again, this is one or two instances, so one > can't place too much weight on them,. > > Any information on this combination with respect to vibrations, > or towing performance, or mileage benefits? I've a couple > positive reports of towing capabilities with the 4.30 ("a good > match"), and one with the 3.73 ("just pop it out of OD for towing > my 10,000lb trailer up grades"). I'd really like some more data > points though; I'm uneasy. First-hand or second-hand > experience, or opinions, are quite welcome. > > Thank you very much, in advance, > > Dick Dorff == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 15:05:17 -0600 From: Jeff Hagen Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Vibration complaints? This problem has been driving me nuts for a couple weeks now. After my truck hit about 600 miles I began to notice it. It "resonates" in any gear when the tach enters the 1600-1700 RPM range. I now have about 1200 miles on my '98 F150 SC 4x4 ORP 5.4l. Are you saying the dealer may not be willing to fix this? - - Jeff At 09:13 AM 10/29/98 -0800, you wrote: >I've seen several folks report here about certain "vibration problems" with >recently purchased trucks. > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 16:04:31 -0500 From: Jean Marc Chartier Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Metal shaving in diffirential LegalImag aol.com wrote: > > 2 days ago I had my oil changed at an oil changing place where they check > everything out and ad fluids if you need them. > > I have a 98 F150 4X4 with the 3.55 and 4.6L. > > Anyway my question is > > Is it normal for you to find metal shavings in the diff and it be about a pint > low after 9000 miles? Also the service guy there told me the transmission > fluid was about a quart low. Should I take it back to the dealer and have > them look at it? > > Thanks in advance > Scott > Legalimag aol.com > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html Scott, I am curious. How did they know the Diff was a pint low? Did they measure it? Did they put their finger in the fill hole and see if it was up to the edge? Any way the shavings are normal. If the fluid levels are low got to your dealer and have him check it out and top them up. Regards Jean Marc Chartier == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 15:05:52 -0600 From: "Charles Abraham" Subject: Re: FTE 97up - V10 + 3.73 or 4.30? - --------------924D5FF5967CA492888DD2BB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm in a similar situation as Dick, questioning whether or not I made the right decision in ordering my V10 with the standard 3.73 (not the limited-slip), and not something bigger. Being no expert myself on differentials, I ask you all what you think about my choice? There's still plenty of time to change, so I'm open to comments. But before you answer, it's also important to know why I choose a F250 SD SC SB V10 3.73 4x4 Lariat, in the color red. It wasn't for work I can tell you! I am likely different from most Super Duty buyers, for I bought mine purely on looks. I got to be honest, I was seduced by the very first one I saw on the dealer's lot, and had to have one. Moving landscaping and materials; towing my boats, that would be nice to do too. But it was looks! Plain and simple. Okay, now about the 3.73 differential. My only rational in choosing the 3.73 was that I thought it would provide better gas mileage. (I don't know why?) And, I originally had the 5.4L V8 on order, but after all the bad things said here about that engine, I switched to the V10. (Wasn't I just talking about mileage?) Anyway, at that time I didn't really consider changing differentials too. But now I am - if that be the consensus. Stick or Switch? Thanks, Charles > - --------------924D5FF5967CA492888DD2BB Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm in a similar situation as Dick, questioning whether or not I made the right decision in ordering my V10 with the standard 3.73 (not the limited-slip), and not something bigger. Being no expert myself on differentials, I ask you all what you think about my choice? There's still plenty of time to change, so I'm open to comments. But before you answer, it's also important to know why I choose a F250 SD SC SB V10 3.73 4x4 Lariat, in the color red. It wasn't for work I can tell you! I am likely different from most Super Duty buyers, for I bought mine purely on looks. I got to be honest, I was seduced by the very first one I saw on the dealer's lot, and had to have one. Moving landscaping and materials; towing my boats, that would be nice to do too. But it was looks! Plain and simple. Okay, now about the 3.73 differential. My only rational in choosing the 3.73 was that I thought it would provide better gas mileage. (I don't know why?) And, I originally had the 5.4L V8 on order, but after all the bad things said here about that engine, I switched to the V10. (Wasn't I just talking about mileage?) Anyway, at that time I didn't really consider changing differentials too. But now I am - if that be the consensus. Stick or Switch? Thanks, Charles - --------------924D5FF5967CA492888DD2BB-- == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 18:31:07 -0500 From: Jean Marc Chartier Subject: Re: FTE 97up - V10 + 3.73 or 4.30? Charles Abraham wrote: > > I'm in a similar situation as Dick, questioning whether or > not I made the right decision in ordering my V10 with the > standard 3.73 (not the limited-slip), and not something > bigger. > > Being no expert myself on differentials, I ask you all > what you think about my choice? There's still plenty of > time to change, so I'm open to comments. But before you > answer, it's also important to know why I choose a F250 SD > SC SB V10 3.73 4x4 Lariat, in the color red. It wasn't for > work I can tell you! > > I am likely different from most Super Duty buyers, for I > bought mine purely on looks. I got to be honest, I was > seduced by the very first one I saw on the dealer's lot, > and had to have one. Moving landscaping and materials; > towing my boats, that would be nice to do too. But it was > looks! Plain and simple. > > Okay, now about the 3.73 differential. My only rational in > choosing the 3.73 was that I thought it would provide > better gas mileage. (I don't know why?) And, I originally > had the 5.4L V8 on order, but after all the bad things > said here about that engine, I switched to the V10. > (Wasn't I just talking about mileage?) Anyway, at that > time I didn't really consider changing differentials too. > But now I am - if that be the consensus. Stick or Switch? > > Thanks, > > Charles > > > > Charles, IMHO Whatever differential you finally choose I would get the limited slip. A 4x4 without is is only a 4x2. One wheel on each corner could start to slip and leave you stuck. The LSD can be tricky on heavily crowned roads when it is slippery out but it forces you to slow down which is safer any way. Regards Jean Marc Chartier == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 19:50:09 EST From: BLUESKY636 aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: tire pressures Here's an easy, fool proof method to determine the optimum tire pressure for ANY tire brand, size and load: 1. Using a piece of white chalk, make a mark about 2-3 inches wide across the tire tread from shoulder to shoulder in three places on the tread. Mark both front and rear. 2. Roll the truck in one direction (forward or backward) so that all three marks show on the pavement. 3. Examine the marks carefully. If the edges show more distinctly than the middle, the tire is underinflated. Add air. If the center shows more distinctly than the edges, the tire is overinflated. Remove air. Continue the process until the marks on the pavement are as even as possible. This method can be used to fine tune the tire pressures under any load condition. It can also be used to account for differences between tire brands. No, a BFG and a Goodyear of the same size may not necessarily require the same pressure for optimum performance due to differences in tread or sidewall construction. Bill and Deb Haegele and Betsy and Oliver (The Fourwheeling Puppies) == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 17:00:27 -0800 From: Ken Peterson Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Vibration complaints? >This problem has been driving me nuts for a couple weeks now. After >my truck hit about 600 miles I began to notice it. It "resonates" >in any gear when the tach enters the 1600-1700 RPM range. >I now have about 1200 miles on my '98 F150 SC 4x4 ORP 5.4l. Woops! This has to be a different problem. If the vibration is *tach* dependent, it can't be the driveline, since it rotates at a speed that's totally vehicle-speed dependent. Only rotating machinery *ahead* of the transmission (including the torque converter) is measured by the tach. Maybe you have an engine imbalance, and I certainly would raise hell. And why after 600 mi?? That would worry me: what has changed? My 5.4l V8 is butter smooth all the way up to the upper rev limit. - --------------- Ken Peterson, Portland, OR 1998 F-250LD Lariat, extended cab, short bed, 4X2, 5.4l, class-3 tow options LT245X16/steel rims, 4W disks + ABS, load-leveling rear suspension. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 16:55:26 -0800 From: Ken Peterson Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Vibration complaints? > Just a quick suggestion, why don't you pull the driveshaft and take it over >to a driveshaft shop and have it rebalanced? You've apparently found the >source of your problem, just make the fix permanent. Actually that's far more trouble than what I've already done, and I have control over the quality of the work. If I have the driveshaft balanced by someone else, I have to trust they'll do a good job and they'll disassemble and reassemble the end attachments okay. And then I'll have to pay for it. The clamps cost a couple bucks! I didn't mention that the vibration varies a bit with temperature. I've picked a setting for the balance weights that works for me most of the time. I could also (but haven't yet) do the same thing to the front of the driveshaft. I'm not terribly motivated just now. Given how much vibration is caused by tiny amounts of unbalance, I believe the true *cause* of user irritation is the resonance, and that the solution would be added damping placed somewhere to trap it. I don't think I can expect Ford to production-line balance the driveshaft within the tiny tolerances that would result in zero vibration. - --------------- Ken Peterson, Portland, OR 1998 F-250LD Lariat, extended cab, short bed, 4X2, 5.4l, class-3 tow options LT245X16/steel rims, 4W disks + ABS, load-leveling rear suspension. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 17:19:44 -0800 From: Gary Newlin Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Still Waiting for my F-350 Crew PSD DRW... Thanks to Nathan and all the others who responded. I have found that this list consistantly has better and more accurate information than my dealer does. Now that I understand what "Scheduled" means in Ford-speak, I have a couple of other questions... Is there a way that I can find out what my VIN is other than by going through my dealer? This may sound like a strange request, but after the past six months of only calling him once every few weeks, he is less and less interested in spending any time getting an answer to my simple question; "When will I find out my delivery date?" I realize that he's not going to make much on this deal, but after all, I'm getting ready to spend around $38,000 or so for this truck, and I don't think the question is out of line. No doubt he would rather not hear from me untill he calls me to tell me to bring him his money because my truck has finally arrived. Were it not for your replies yesterday, I wouldn't expect this to happen untill mid-winter, 2003 or so. Two other questions; First, does the trip computer have an instantaineous fuel mileage display, and is it equipped with both interior and exterior temperature readouts? Thanks again for your help. gcn == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 16:33:43 -0900 From: Perry Klein Subject: FTE 97up - trip comp. Only an average readout on mine and Just exterior temp. >Two other questions; > >First, does the trip computer have an instantaineous fuel mileage >display, and is it equipped with both interior and exterior temperature >readouts? == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 20:56:00 -0500 From: "Anne Mitchell" Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Metal shaving in diffirential I hope my truck doesn't have the same problems! I think this is definitely NOT normal. I have never had to fill the rear differential (except in my 74 Alfa) in my trucks. And the transmission fluid should have been checked at the dealership when delivered. I'd go to the dealer next time at least they would have some sense of what is normal and what is not for consumption. Steve - -----Original Message----- >2 days ago I had my oil changed at an oil changing place where they check >everything out and ad fluids if you need them. > >I have a 98 F150 4X4 with the 3.55 and 4.6L. > >Is it normal for you to find metal shavings in the diff and it be about a pint >low after 9000 miles? Also the service guy there told me the transmission >fluid was about a quart low. Should I take it back to the dealer and have >them look at it? > >Thanks in advance >Scott == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 20:31:13 -0600 From: snarl Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: tire pressures Jim wrote: > I have the load chart for the > 265 Firestone Steeltex radials. I don't have these tires but I still would like to see the load chart. Thanks. - Karl Nyhus, Minneapolis, MN - 1997 Ford F-150 XL SuperCab, 6-1/2' box, Pacific Green, 4.6L V8(280 cid), 4WD, 3.08 axles, 5-speed manual, LT225/75R16/D Goodyear Wrangler AT/S tires (max 65psi, currently running at 55psi cold) on 16" painted steel wheels, polyknit bench seat, Better Built toolbox, rust-proofed/undercoated, Line-X spray-in liner == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 98 21:02:39 PST From: "Jeff" Subject: Re: FTE 97up - V10 + 3.73 or 4.30? I have a 99 F350 SD XLT, LWB, SRW, LWB, Auto, V10, man hubs, and 4.30 gea= red LS diffs, and in my opinion, 4.30 gearing is the way to go. It puts you in a RPM range that = provides higher torque and HP at HWYspeeds. If you ever want to go to larger tires, say 285's (which will drop the RPM about 100-150 RPM at = 75MPH) 4.30 gearing will keep you from losing power, and in fact, accord= ing to the torque/horse power curve charts for the V10, increase both. People spend a lot of money changing their ring and pinion gears after = putting on larger tires to compensate for the reduced RPM. I have the new Bridgestone 285/75's, and even with 4.30 gears, it'll occa= sionally downshift to 3rd going up very steep hills at highway speeds = with no load in the back (however, this is in the Rocky Mountains where = elevation plays a factor). I'm sure if I had the 3.73 gears, it would = always be downshifting to 3rd upon reaching less severe inclines. Jeff == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 21:02:47 -0600 From: "shane o. conger" Subject: FTE 97up - Mileage Hello, haven't posted in a while. I got several messages from individuals about the mileage I had posted that I was getting from my 98 F-150 4x2 SC SB 4.6l. Here are some updated mileage numbers. Date Mileage Miles Gallons Cost MPG 8/18/98 7531 361.0 20.26 $21.25 17.82 8/25/98 7924 392.2 22.02 22.00 17.81 9/1/98 8288 364.0 20.27 20.25 17.96 9/6/98 8581 292.6 16.52 16.50 17.71 9/11/98 8952 368.6 20.52 20.50 17.96 9/17/98 9342 390.2 22.41 21.50 17.41 9/23/98 9739 397.4 22.27 22.25 17.84 9/27/98 10011 271.9 15.11 16.00 17.99 9/30/98 10355 343.8 19.83 21.00 17.34 10/7/98 10651 296.5 17.94 19.00 16.53 10/13/98 11006 347.1 20.30 21.50 17.10 10/19/98 11371 365.8 21.01 22.25 17.41 10/23/98 11596 224.5 13.14 13.00 17.08 10/29/98 11973 341.1 21.23 21.00 16.07 That's pretty well up to date on that. I drive 26 miles one way to work, mostly secondary highway with some Peoria as well. Very happy with the mileage so far and hopes it keeps up. As for the rest of the truck, well, what can I say - It's a FORD. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 23:00:34 -0500 From: Ken Payne Subject: FTE 97up - ADMIN: SoCal Pickups Dear Ford Truck Enthusiasts list members: We have a new advertiser on our web site. Since the beginning, our practice with web site advertisers has been to make a brief announcement for 2 days (this is day 2 of 2). Please show your appreciation to SoCal Pick-Ups for helping to support the web site and the lists by checking them out (this is a temporary page until they have their site up): http://www.ford-trucks.com/socal.html "SoCal Pick-Ups started over 25 years ago as the first restoration parts business to focus soley on the 53-56 F-100's. Now, SoCal is now under new ownership. With this new ownership there has come a renewed emphasis in making sure SoCal is THE place to go to get the help you need to successfully create the F-100 of your dreams. SoCal has made changes in all areas of their operation in order to bring the best possible service to those rebuilding 1948-1966 F-100's. They have a new catalogue that is updated monthly with new products, a new customer oriented computer system that keeps track of every item ever purchased by a customer to enhance their ability to provide personalized service, and even a few new employees dedicated to making you successful with your truck project." We would like to you to let them know you heard about them via the Ford Truck Enthusiasts group. Now returning you to our regularly scheduled program... Ken Payne CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 10:13:50 -0800 From: Nicolas Mosaquites III Subject: FTE 97up - Looking for truck club Hi' I live in montclair ca. I'm looking for a truck club that's for fords only. I have a 1998 ford F150 triton it's the 50 year edition it's very clean . anyone out there know's of a club let me know . thanks Nick == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 23:04:03 -0500 From: Ken Payne Subject: FTE 97up - ADMIN: Volunteers, an invitation...... Ladies and Gentlemen, as some of you know I started a list, called the "Core" list, to help me in my administrative decisions toward the Ford Truck Enthusiasts lists. I initially chose those who were active in responding on the lists and whom I considerd my friends which was a good way to start but more is needed. As the list matured I realized we need more help and some of my first choices, while good people and interested in ford trucks are either not in a position to participate very much or don't feel qualified but since they had no say in their selection this is not in any way to their discredit. What I would like to do now is invite any who feel they have time and resources to assist in decision making, committee participation for events planning and participation, or to hold an office in a club (which we have already begun discussing on the core list) to come forward privately via email to my mail box kpayne ford-trucks.com stating your offer, including what you can participate in, what office you may feel qualified for, email and other computer resources you have etc. so I can compile a list of people to add to the core list and from which committees can be formed for planning such things as the Pigeon Forge event next May and working on the club idea etc.. We may split the core list up into committee lists to cut down on your email traffic and these discussions don't typically generate a lot of email so it shouldn't add too much to your mail burden in any case. Please reply ASAP so we can develop the lists and make our selections. This is a preliminary, group invitation and we expect more respondees than there are jobs to fill so please do not be offended if you are not selected. We appreciate all assistance but only need so many for these functions so some will not be asked even though qualified. I will be keeping the list in case more openings come up so you may be asked at a later date and if any do not resond today but feel inclined later to volunteer, please feel free to email me in this regard and I will add you to my list :-) Please remember that those responding will be expected to participate to some extent in discussions and activities so don't apply if you are not in a position to do this. Thank you very much for your past support. We look forward to greater things in the future, with your help :-) Regards, Ken Payne CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts http://www.ford-trucks.com == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 22:09:16 -0600 From: "Mike Fairleigh" Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: tire pressures In case anyone cares, I've found that on my truck ('98 F-150 XLT SC 4x2 with GoodYear Wrangler AP 255x70x16's), the optimum pressure appears to be 32 psi front and rear. According to the door plate, 32psi is the higher of the two pressures to use, and since it's more convenient to just remember a single pressure I just go with it all the way around. At just over 10,000 miles and judging from the wear patterns, it appears to be just *barely* on the over-inflated side, which is where I prefer to be. Mike Fairleigh mikef sky.net ...Always remembering their sacrifices. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 23:14:44 -0500 From: Ken Payne Subject: FTE 97up - ADMIN: My deepest thanks I just received a gift from one of the list members. It was through the contributions of many of the list members that I was given this gift. These contributions were made behind the scenes, without my knowledge, after the Pigeon Forge Supernationals show that Ford Truck Enthusiasts participated in. Since I don't have the email addresses of all those involved, I wanted to take this opportunity to thank everyone who contributed towards this gift. It was not an insignificant gift and I really appreciate the gesture. Just wait till next year's Pigeon Forge show! Regards, Ken Payne CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts http://www.ford-trucks.com == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 23:47:13 -0500 From: "Todd E." Subject: Re: FTE 97up - V10 + 3.73 or 4.30? I have read of many such problems with the ESOF and ltd slip. Enough to convince me not to get the ESOF. The source of most of this information is : http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://4x44u.vmag.com/forum/f250-1097/ Dick Dorff wrote: > Jim, > > Given that I've tried to exhaustivly read every message board I know of, directly > emailed each person reporting the problems, and many people known to have a similar > configuration hasn't reported the problems, and sought additional input from any > others on both email lists known, I'd like to think I am giving these first hand > reports as much consideration as is possible, short of changing the V10+3.73ls+ESOF > combination. Maybe I should do that as well. That's why I'm seeking additional > data points. > > What I meant by "...this is one or two instances, so one can't place too much weight > on them." is not that they might not be credible, but that it's hard to say that > they are the rule for each truck with that configuration, and not just something > wrong with two unique trucks reporting one of two problems. I apologize if I gave > the wrong impression. > > I, and from what I've read, most others who've responded to your towing performance > problem do believe that your problem is real. But, consensus is, so far as I can > tell, is that there is something wrong/defective with your particular truck. It's > acknowledged that it's a very hard problem to convince the dealer of though, since > it's somewhat subjective (ie "feels like towing performance is way less than it > should be"). However, people seem incredulous about the dropping from 4.30 to 3.73 > just killing a V10's towing capabilities being a general rule for that engine. I've > heard that engine horsepower and torque can perhaps be measured on a dynometer. > I've no information on this, but perhaps you could check that out, with an > independent, and have the truck's power quantified by a machine. Anyone else know > of the existence of horsepower/torque measurers? > > Still seeking more V10 + 3.73 (ltd slip, not that it should make a difference) in a > SD 250 CC, SB, ESOF datapoints on vibrations or towing performance, but quite > appreciative of those received so far, > > Dick Dorff > > kauppij vfc.com wrote: > > > Dick, > > > > Don't be too quick to dismiss first hand reports. There isn't a huge > > SD base out there yet and consequently you will not find as much > > information as you would on Ford Taurus' for example. The vibration > > problem is/was real. Whether it has been corrected is not known. I > > passed on buying an F250 SC 4x4 ESOF last month because the dealer > > told me it was in the shop to fix a vibration problem. I bought the > > manual hubs/transfer case instead. My reports on towing performance > > was real and factual. My truck did not meet my expectations. Is the > > towing performance unsatisfactory? Compared to a 4.6L F150, no... > > but it is subpar compared to my expectations. Most people praise > > whatever they own or just bought, no matter if it is a TV, camcorder, > > new car or boat. When someone has a complaint and voices it in a > > logical, descriptive way, I usually pay attention and will do extra > > research to track down additional information. > > > > Good luck and hope you enjoy your truck after delivery. > > > > Jim Kauppila > > > > ______________________________ Reply Separator > > > > > I saw on a msg board or two an instance or two of: 1) > > vibrations at certain RPMs (30-45 mph?) with this combo (SC, LB), > > and 2) unsatisfactory performance when towing weights in the > > 5-6000lb range. Again, this is one or two instances, so one > > can't place too much weight on them,. > > > > Any information on this combination with respect to vibrations, > > or towing performance, or mileage benefits? I've a couple > > positive reports of towing capabilities with the 4.30 ("a good > > match"), and one with the 3.73 ("just pop it out of OD for towing > > my 10,000lb trailer up grades"). I'd really like some more data > > points though; I'm uneasy. First-hand or second-hand > > experience, or opinions, are quite welcome. > > > > Thank you very much, in advance, > > .... To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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