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In this issue:

Re: FTE 97up - Fwd: Can U Help Me!
Re: FTE 97up - Tachometer Connection
Re: FTE 97up - Dealer Options - are they worth it?
FTE 97up - V10 mileage - a closer look
FTE 97up - V10 + 3.73 or 4.30?
Re: FTE 97up - Tachometer Connection
Re: FTE 97up - Tachometer Connection
Re: FTE 97up - Tachometer Connection
Re: FTE 97up - Tachometer Connection
Re: FTE 97up - Tachometer Connection
Re: FTE 97up - Tachometer Connection
Re: FTE 97up - Tachometer Connection
FTE 97up - Still Waiting for my F-350 Crew PSD DRW...
Re: FTE 97up - Tachometer Connection
Re: FTE 97up - Tachometer Connection
Re: FTE 97up - Tachometer Connection
Re: FTE 97up - Tachometer Connection
Re: FTE 97up - Still Waiting for my F-350 Crew PSD DRW...
FTE 97up - Re: tire pressures
Re: FTE 97up - Still Waiting for my F-350 Crew PSD DRW...
FTE 97up - Re: tire pressures
FTE 97up - 98 Ranger Fog Lights
Re: FTE 97up - tire pressures?
FTE 97up - ADMIN: SoCal Pickups
Re: FTE 97up - Still Waiting for my F-350 Crew PSD DRW...
Re: FTE 97up - Tachometer Connection
Re: FTE 97up - Still Waiting for my F-350 Crew PSD DRW...

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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 09:35:57 -0500
From: Scot Evanson
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Fwd: Can U Help Me!

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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 06:56:33 -0800
From: Danny Gaudenti
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Tachometer Connection

>Danny, where did *you* find this information? Did you buy the electrical
>supplement to the expensive shop manuals? A third-party source?
>
>I want to make a couple of modifications and need to know the wire codings
>in the dash panel. I'm not sure what manual to buy. The expensive Vols 1
>and 2 of the big shop set don't cover any electrical wiring.
>
>---------------
>Ken Peterson, Portland, OR

I got the information originally from another F-150 owner who kept asking
around at a dealer until he found out. I do have the shop manuals (yes,
they are ridiculously expensive), including the one with wiring diagrams,
and verified his info. The manual with the wiring info is called the
"Electrical Vacuum and Troubleshooting Manual" or the EVTM. It's about
$40. What mods are planning?

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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 10:35:00 -0500
From: Jean Marc Chartier
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Dealer Options - are they worth it?

dfloyd fnord.com wrote:
>
SNIP
> >
>
> I had a bedliner put in (The Duraliner type), and I am very happy with it. The
> center part has the no-skid surface, but its still smooth enough to slide in
> a box to the front to tie it down.
>
> PS: I am looking for a cap for it -- Anyone have any particular brands
> that they favor?
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I have a Leer cap on my 97 F-150. You can see a picture of
it at: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.f150 online. com/owners/owners3.htm or
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www3.sympatico.ca/jmc.chartier/truck.htm
The fit and finish is good and it does not leak.
Regards

Jean Marc Chartier
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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 07:49:37 -0800
From: "Colin Walker"
Subject: FTE 97up - V10 mileage - a closer look

I have a super cab 4x4 250 with the 3.73. I get a pretty standard 10-11. Mpg
. much of this time is towing a 5200 lbs trailer. Most of my driving is a
combination of highway and city traffic. I have 2300 miles on the truck. My
best tank was just under 13 mpg unloaded. I am very happy with the truck
despite the mileage.

Colin Walker
Cwalker digimarc.com

>A while back, a number of you responded back to my question, asking about
mileage you were getting with the V10s. With these responses, it seems
that there are two distinct ranges when it comes to mileage. Group one
is 13-15mpg and group 2 is 8 - 10 mpg. I am trying to figure out why one
group is significantly better than the other. Soooo, can those of you
with V10s respond back with the configuration of your truck (4x4, 2x4,
250/350, xcab/std cab, 3.73/4.30, etc)? I would like to try to determine a
pattern. A couple of reviews I have recently read have really noted
the mileage as being extremely poor. That is starting to worry me a
little.


Mike Strukel
soon to be F250SD owner
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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 11:02:07 -0500
From: Dick_Dorff baynetworks.com (Dick Dorff)
Subject: FTE 97up - V10 + 3.73 or 4.30?

Hi all,

Thanks to all your help on email lists and the various msg
boards, yesterday we placed an order for an F250 SD, CC, SB, 4x4,
Auto, V10, 3.73ls, XLT, ESOF, Pwr TT Mirr, Deep Wedgewood/Silver,
Denim Blue, ..., whew. I'll gladly share what I've learned, and
the rationale for all the decisions, later, but first, I still
need some help or reassurance, and soon in case I decide to
change the order.

Discovered (msg board) that the V10 is available with the 3.73
Limited Slip, finally. I unhesitatingly went for it over the
4.30 LS thinking the combo should still be plenty strong enough
to tow a light 5th wheel (5-7000lb loaded), perhaps requiring
non-OD towing up grades, yet give a bit better gas mileage the
other 98% of the year. I don't want to wreck my towing
performance for 1 or 2mpg difference though. But, if towing's
fine with the 3.73, but just have to spend a little more time out
of OD, that might be worth an mpg inprovement.

I saw on a msg board or two an instance or two of: 1)
vibrations at certain RPMs (30-45 mph?) with this combo (SC, LB),
and 2) unsatisfactory performance when towing weights in the
5-6000lb range. Again, this is one or two instances, so one
can't place too much weight on them,.

Any information on this combination with respect to vibrations,
or towing performance, or mileage benefits? I've a couple
positive reports of towing capabilities with the 4.30 ("a good
match"), and one with the 3.73 ("just pop it out of OD for towing
my 10,000lb trailer up grades"). I'd really like some more data
points though; I'm uneasy. First-hand or second-hand
experience, or opinions, are quite welcome.

Thank you very much, in advance,

Dick Dorff

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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 08:48:56 -0800
From: Ken Peterson
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Tachometer Connection

> The manual with the wiring info is called the
>"Electrical Vacuum and Troubleshooting Manual" or the EVTM. It's about
>$40. What mods are planning?

I'm not happy with any vehicle that forces me to use the air conditioning
when I don't want it. On recent F-series LD trucks, that means all settings
except OFF, FLOOR, and PANEL.

What if it's a balmy 65 and I want FLOOR & PANEL without A/C? 'Scuse me,
but this truck is supposed to do what I want, not the other way around. (My
'93 Subaru Legacy had the same problem.)

So I will break into the dashboard circuit that energizes the A/C
compressor via the rotary mode switch, and add a small rocker switch to
open the circuit, thus defeating all A/C operation at my option. Note that
almost all modern vehicles have simply a pushbutton that activates the A/C
*independently* of the mode control. Much better! Or does Ford think that's
a little too complicated for their customers.

Subaru thought that it was also unsafe for me to be able to operate windows
and sunroof unless the ignition was on. Grr-r-r! That's didn't last long!
Now I can go out after dark, roll up the windows, close the sunroof, and
lock the car *without* the key. (Yes, this is an all-adult household.)

At least Ford gives you window power after shutoff, so long as you don't
open the door.

I'm really offended by paternalistic manufacturers that act like they know
what's good for me at this trivial level. Maybe their lawyers make 'em do
it.

- ---------------
Ken Peterson, Portland, OR
1998 F-250LD Lariat, extended cab, short bed, 4X2, 5.4l, class-3 tow options
LT245X16/steel rims, 4W disks + ABS, load-leveling rear suspension.
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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 12:19:18 -0500
From: Dick_Dorff baynetworks.com (Dick Dorff)
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Tachometer Connection

Ken, please post your results and a "how to" once you've got it figured out?
I'm not sure how the SD comes from the factory, but in case it's like the LD,
I'm with you; I want things at my control. I would guess enough others would
agree and make it worth posting.

Thanks much,

Dick Dorff.

Ken Peterson wrote:

> I'm not happy with any vehicle that forces me to use the air conditioning
> when I don't want it. On recent F-series LD trucks, that means all settings
> except OFF, FLOOR, and PANEL.



> So I will break into the dashboard circuit that energizes the A/C
> compressor via the rotary mode switch, and add a small rocker switch to
> open the circuit, thus defeating all A/C operation at my option. Note that
> almost all modern vehicles have simply a pushbutton that activates the A/C
> *independently* of the mode control. Much better! Or does Ford think that's
> a little too complicated for their customers.



> I'm really offended by paternalistic manufacturers that act like they know
> what's good for me at this trivial level. Maybe their lawyers make 'em do
> it.
>
> ---------------
> Ken Peterson, Portland, OR
> 1998 F-250LD Lariat, extended cab, short bed, 4X2, 5.4l, class-3 tow options
> LT245X16/steel rims, 4W disks + ABS, load-leveling rear suspension.



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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 13:50:14 -0500
From: Jean Marc Chartier
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Tachometer Connection

Ken Peterson wrote:
>
> > The manual with the wiring info is called the
> >"Electrical Vacuum and Troubleshooting Manual" or the EVTM. It's about
> >$40. What mods are planning?
>
> I'm not happy with any vehicle that forces me to use the air conditioning
> when I don't want it. On recent F-series LD trucks, that means all settings
> except OFF, FLOOR, and PANEL.
>
> What if it's a balmy 65 and I want FLOOR & PANEL without A/C? 'Scuse me,
> but this truck is supposed to do what I want, not the other way around. (My
> '93 Subaru Legacy had the same problem.)
>
> So I will break into the dashboard circuit that energizes the A/C
> compressor via the rotary mode switch, and add a small rocker switch to
> open the circuit, thus defeating all A/C operation at my option. Note that
> almost all modern vehicles have simply a pushbutton that activates the A/C
> *independently* of the mode control. Much better! Or does Ford think that's
> a little too complicated for their customers.
>
> Subaru thought that it was also unsafe for me to be able to operate windows
> and sunroof unless the ignition was on. Grr-r-r! That's didn't last long!
> Now I can go out after dark, roll up the windows, close the sunroof, and
> lock the car *without* the key. (Yes, this is an all-adult household.)
>
> At least Ford gives you window power after shutoff, so long as you don't
> open the door.
>
> I'm really offended by paternalistic manufacturers that act like they know
> what's good for me at this trivial level. Maybe their lawyers make 'em do
> it.
>
> ---------------
> Ken Peterson, Portland, OR
> 1998 F-250LD Lariat, extended cab, short bed, 4X2, 5.4l, class-3 tow options
> LT245X16/steel rims, 4W disks + ABS, load-leveling rear suspension.
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Ken,
From the 97 F-150 EVTM.
It should be the purple wire in the red connector. It is
circuit 348 Function Selector Switch to A/C Pressure
Cutoff. This wire takes power from the switch and goes to
the A/C Pressure Cut Off Switch then to the A/C cycling
Pressure Switch then it is spliced and goes to the PCM or to
the A/C Clutch Diode and then to the A/C Compressor Clutch
Solenoid.

Regards

Jean Marc Chartier
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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 11:01:07 -0800
From: bklm juno.com (Brian K Moberg)
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Tachometer Connection

I just tried the "white wire with a pink stripe" for the tach connection.
On my truck that is the oil pressure gauge wire. Could someone double
check this info? Is the tach possibly the "pink wire with a white
stripe?"

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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 13:18:36 -0600
From: ben esig.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Tachometer Connection

I just had a remote start system installed on my new 99 F150 4x4
Supercab. The remote start system had been installed on the 97
F150 that I traded in. The auto electronics merchant that I dealt
with to remove and install the remote start system told me it would
take 4 hours. It took 2 days! Apparently, there were changes in
the ant-theft system and wiring between the 97 and 99. I had to
purchase a module for the remote starter that worked with the new
Ford anti-theft system. The majority of the delay was caused by
the inability of the installer to locate the tach wire on the 99.

I am really impressed with the improved 5.4 in the 99s. I had a 5.4
in the 97 and it was a major dog. I installed a nitrous oxide system
for those times when a little extra horsepower was needed. It
worked well.

On the 99, I have had a true dual exhaust system with flowmaster
mufflers installed. Wow, what a difference. I don't think I'm going
to install a turbo or nitrous on this one.

Anyone out there have any other simple horsepower increasing
suggestions?

Thanks,

Ben White
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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 11:18:03 -0800 (PST)
From: Dan Gaudenti
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Tachometer Connection

> I'm not happy with any vehicle that forces me to use the air conditioning
> when I don't want it. On recent F-series LD trucks, that means all settings
> except OFF, FLOOR, and PANEL.
>
> What if it's a balmy 65 and I want FLOOR & PANEL without A/C? 'Scuse me,
> but this truck is supposed to do what I want, not the other way around. (My
> '93 Subaru Legacy had the same problem.)

> ---------------
> Ken Peterson, Portland, OR

I agree! My wife's little Jap car lets you control things independently,
I want the same for my truck. I also want to wire a switch to allow me to
cutout the fan motor. This way, I can leave the control in PANEL or
FLOOR/PANEL to always allow outside to come in...parked, cruising or
whatever.

Danny

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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 12:10:13 -0800 (PST)
From: Dan Gaudenti
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Tachometer Connection


> On the 99, I have had a true dual exhaust system with flowmaster
> mufflers installed. Wow, what a difference. I don't think I'm going
> to install a turbo or nitrous on this one.
>
> Anyone out there have any other simple horsepower increasing
> suggestions?
>
> Ben White

Do you know what part number the Flowmaster muffler is (or at least what
"series" it is)? They make a lot of different types!

Did you also change to a K&N air filter and cut open the air box to let it
flow better?

Danny

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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 13:30:19 -0800
From: Gary Newlin
Subject: FTE 97up - Still Waiting for my F-350 Crew PSD DRW...

To everyone on the list, especially Nathan,

I orderd a Super Duty, PSD, F350, crew cab, DRW, Lariat, back on June
23rd. The dealer said my order replaced a canceled order for an almost
identically equiped truck placed back on Feb. 23rd. I patiently waited
through the summer with no information as to when my truck would be
built or delivered.

On Oct. 2nd I recieved notification that the truck had been
"scheduled". It is now nearly Nov. and there is still no word as to
when it will be built or delivered. Could anyone comment on what it
means to be "scheduled", and what does this imply as for as a delivery
date.

Thanks in advance, gcn



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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 16:49:21 -0500
From: Jean Marc Chartier
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Tachometer Connection

Brian K Moberg wrote:
>
> I just tried the "white wire with a pink stripe" for the tach connection.
> On my truck that is the oil pressure gauge wire. Could someone double
> check this info? Is the tach possibly the "pink wire with a white
> stripe?"
>
Robert,

Look again the wire you cut is white with a red stripe.
There should be at least 14 wires in that bundle and in
there is a white wire with a pink stripe.
The colors are as follows; Black(ground), Light Blue w/
Red stripe(illumination feed), Red w/ White stripe(Power
Battery Hot at all times), Pink w/ Orange stripe(ground),
White w/red stripe(oil pressure input), Gray w/ Black
stripe(vehicle speed sensor signal input), Black w/ White
stripe(tach select), Red w/ White stripe(engine coolant
tempature input), Yellow w/ White stripe(fuel level input),
Red w/ Yellow stripe(power ignition hot in start or run),
>>> White w/ Pink stripe(tachometer signal input), White w/ Light Blue stripe(right turn indicator input), Black (ground) and Light Green w/White stripe(left turn indicator input)

Regards

Jean Marc Chartier
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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 16:53:23 -0500
From: Jean Marc Chartier
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Tachometer Connection

ben esig.com wrote:
>
snip
>
> On the 99, I have had a true dual exhaust system with flowmaster
> mufflers installed. Wow, what a difference. I don't think I'm going
> to install a turbo or nitrous on this one.
>
> Anyone out there have any other simple horsepower increasing
> suggestions?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ben White
> Ben
Ben,

How did they route the pipes around the gas tank? By true
dual exhaust I understand it to be 2 pipes from cats back,
one on each side of the truck.

Regards

Jean Marc Chartier
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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 14:28:19 -0800
From: Ken Peterson
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Tachometer Connection

>Ken,
> From the 97 F-150 EVTM.
> It should be the purple wire in the red connector.

Thank you, Jean Marc, for the specifics! I will experimentally break that
lead to test it. Saves me from having to buy the %$&#!! electrical manual
just for this one task.

When I'm successful, I'll be pleased to post the method here.

- ---------------
Ken Peterson, Portland, OR
1998 F-250LD Lariat, extended cab, short bed, 4X2, 5.4l, class-3 tow options
LT245X16/steel rims, 4W disks + ABS, load-leveling rear suspension.
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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 14:30:21 -0800
From: Ken Peterson
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Tachometer Connection

>I also want to wire a switch to allow me to
>cutout the fan motor. This way, I can leave the control in PANEL or
>FLOOR/PANEL to always allow outside to come in...parked, cruising or
>whatever.

Danny, you don't dare do this, however, unless you have locked out the A/C
compressor at the same time. (A DPDT switch should do it.) Otherwise the
evaporator for the A/C (the cooling fins) will ice up solid in no time!

- ---------------
Ken Peterson, Portland, OR
1998 F-250LD Lariat, extended cab, short bed, 4X2, 5.4l, class-3 tow options
LT245X16/steel rims, 4W disks + ABS, load-leveling rear suspension.
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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 17:12:44 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Still Waiting for my F-350 Crew PSD DRW...

Scheduled means the truck has received a VIN and been given an estimated
build and arrival date. Your dealer should be able to tell you when to
expect your truck give or take a week.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc.

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From: Gary Newlin
To: 97up-list-digest
Cc: Fred Watson
Date: Wednesday, October 28, 1998 3:40 PM
Subject: FTE 97up - Still Waiting for my F-350 Crew PSD DRW...


>To everyone on the list, especially Nathan,
>
>I orderd a Super Duty, PSD, F350, crew cab, DRW, Lariat, back on June
>23rd. The dealer said my order replaced a canceled order for an almost
>identically equiped truck placed back on Feb. 23rd. I patiently waited
>through the summer with no information as to when my truck would be
>built or delivered.
>
>On Oct. 2nd I recieved notification that the truck had been
>"scheduled". It is now nearly Nov. and there is still no word as to
>when it will be built or delivered. Could anyone comment on what it
>means to be "scheduled", and what does this imply as for as a delivery
>date.
>
>Thanks in advance, gcn
>
>
>
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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 18:15:23 -0600
From: snarl
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: tire pressures

> The Hepburn wrote:
> The optimum pressure for a tire can be found
> on the tire manufacturer's load charts.

So where the heck do you get "tire manufacturer's load charts"? I've
asked at lots of tire stores all brands, checked manufacturer's web
sites, and talked to whoever answered the Goodyear customer service
number and can't find 'em anywhere. BTW, I'd be interested in Goodyear
Wrnagler AT/S and BFG All-Terrain T/A. Thanks.

- Karl Nyhus, Minneapolis, MN -
1997 Ford F-150 XL SuperCab, 6-1/2' box, Pacific Green, 4.6L V8(280
cid), 4WD, 3.08 axles, 5-speed manual, LT225/75R16/D Goodyear Wrangler
AT/S tires (max 65psi, currently running at 55psi cold) on 16" painted
steel wheels, polyknit bench seat, Better Built toolbox,
rust-proofed/undercoated, Line-X spray-in bedliner
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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 19:15:13 -0500
From: "Todd E."
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Still Waiting for my F-350 Crew PSD DRW...

I'm in the same boat, my truck was scheduled around the same time. What
this means is that it is scheduled to be built, and by this time is surely
built, as the building occurs soon after scheduling. The delay is in the
delivery. Mine was supposed to arrive this week, I'm still waiting, and
won't be too disappointed if it arrives next week, but any later than that,
and I'll be seriously annoyed.

Gary Newlin wrote:

> To everyone on the list, especially Nathan,
>
> I orderd a Super Duty, PSD, F350, crew cab, DRW, Lariat, back on June
> 23rd. The dealer said my order replaced a canceled order for an almost
> identically equiped truck placed back on Feb. 23rd. I patiently waited
> through the summer with no information as to when my truck would be
> built or delivered.
>
> On Oct. 2nd I recieved notification that the truck had been
> "scheduled". It is now nearly Nov. and there is still no word as to
> when it will be built or delivered. Could anyone comment on what it
> means to be "scheduled", and what does this imply as for as a delivery
> date.
>
> Thanks in advance, gcn
>
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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 18:22:13 -0600
From: snarl
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: tire pressures

> Chad Royse wrote:
> Correct me if I am wrong, but shouldn't you be
> able to load your truck to it's limit using
> the recommended pressure in the door jam.

Yup, that's what the manufacturer's say, as long as you are using the
same size and load range tire as what came on the truck originally.

- Karl Nyhus, Minneapolis, MN -
1997 Ford F-150 XL SuperCab, 6-1/2' box, Pacific Green, 4.6L V8(280
cid), 4WD, 3.08 axles, 5-speed manual, LT225/75R16/D Goodyear Wrangler
AT/S tires (max 65psi, currently running at 55psi cold, original tires
were P235/70R16) on 16" painted steel wheels, polyknit bench seat,
Better Built toolbox, rust-proofed/undercoated, Line-X spray-in liner
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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 16:42:24 -0800
From: "Alan Wilson"
Subject: FTE 97up - 98 Ranger Fog Lights

I have seen some Rangers with Fog Lights it looked like built into the
front spoiler. I guess Ford sells them as part of the Off Road Package
or something. My 98 Ranger doesn't have any. Is there anyway I can
have some installed that looks as nice as those.

I have been thinking of where I could install them but am not quite sure
if I have to buy a new spoiler or something. Maybe someone out there
has some ideas.

Thanks.

- --
Alan Wilson



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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 07:31:47 -0700
From: geoff campbell
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - tire pressures?

The Dodge ram 2500 cummins turbo diesel 4x4

Joe E Thomson wrote:

> Which truck is that?
>
> >i got rid of the truck you want to get it.
>
> Joe T.
> Wants Dodge Ram 2500 Cummins Turbo Deisel Quad Cab 4x4 Dark Green OR
> Dodge Ram 1500 Quad Cab 4x4 Dark Green OR
> Ford F-150 SuperCab 4x4 Black with 4x4 Off-Road OR
> Chevrolet Silverado Extendend Cab 4x4 Dark Red with Z71 Off-Road
>
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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 21:49:01 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 97up - ADMIN: SoCal Pickups

Dear Ford Truck Enthusiasts list members:

We have a new advertiser on our web site. Since the beginning,
our practice with web site advertisers has been to make a brief
announcement for 2 days (this is day 1 of 2). Please show your
appreciation to SoCal Pick-Ups for helping to support the web
site and the lists by checking them out (this is a temporary page
until they have their site up):

http://www.ford-trucks.com/socal.html

"SoCal Pick-Ups started over 25 years ago as the first restoration
parts business to focus soley on the 53-56 F-100's. Now, SoCal
is now under new ownership. With this new ownership there has
come a renewed emphasis in making sure SoCal is THE place to go
to get the help you need to successfully create the F-100 of
your dreams.

SoCal has made changes in all areas of their operation in order
to bring the best possible service to those rebuilding 1948-1966
F-100's. They have a new catalogue that is updated monthly with
new products, a new customer oriented computer system that keeps
track of every item ever purchased by a customer to enhance their
ability to provide personalized service, and even a few new
employees dedicated to making you successful with your truck
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We would like to you to let them know you heard about them via
the Ford Truck Enthusiasts group.

Now returning you to our regularly scheduled program...

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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 98 21:19:12 PST
From: "Jeff"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Still Waiting for my F-350 Crew PSD DRW...

I got my 99 F350SD 1 month after it had been scheduled to be built.

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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 20:55:04 -0800
From: Danny Gaudenti
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Tachometer Connection

>>I also want to wire a switch to allow me to
>>cutout the fan motor. This way, I can leave the control in PANEL or
>>FLOOR/PANEL to always allow outside to come in...parked, cruising or
>>whatever.
>
>Danny, you don't dare do this, however, unless you have locked out the A/C
>compressor at the same time. (A DPDT switch should do it.) Otherwise the
>evaporator for the A/C (the cooling fins) will ice up solid in no time!
>---------------
>Ken Peterson, Portland, OR

Yes, thank you. I have heard that bad things can happen if the A/C is
running and the fan isn't. I thought I read/heard that there is a temp
sensor on the evaporator which will shut off the compressor if it gets too
cold, but why force it into that condition?

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