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In this issue:

Re: FTE 97up - tire pressures?
Re: FTE 97up - 4x4 Problem on new '98 Expedition
Re: FTE 97up - Re: tire pressures
FTE 97up - V10 mileage - a closer look
FTE 97up - 99 SD 4x4 systems
Re: FTE 97up - Dealer undercoating & paint guard, bed liner, and fiberglass lid
Re: FTE 97up - Dealer undercoating & paint guard, bed liner, and fiberglass lid
Re: FTE 97up - 4x4 Problem on new '98 Expedition
Re: FTE 97up - Tachometer Connection
RE: FTE 97up - Straight answer on air lift suspension and shocks
RE: FTE 97up - Reply to Ken Payne about MPG computer
RE: FTE 97up - Straight answer on air lift suspension and shocks
Re: FTE 97up - Dealer Options - are they worth it?
Re: FTE 97up - Bed covers
Re: FTE 97up - Dealer Options - are they worth it?
Re: FTE 97up - 99 SD 4x4 systems
RE: FTE 97up - Straight answer on air lift suspension and shocks
Re: FTE 97up - Dealer Options - are they worth it?
Re: FTE 97up - Dealer Options - are they worth it?
Re: FTE 97up - 99 F150 Sport
Re: FTE 97up - 99 SD 4x4 systems
Re: FTE 97up - Re: tire pressures
FTE 97up - Fwd: Can U Help Me!
Re: FTE 97up - Re: tire pressures
Re: FTE 97up - Dealer Options - are they worth it?
Re: FTE 97up - Dealer Options - are they worth it?

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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 05:55:32 -0500
From: fordf-150_4x4 juno.com (Joe E Thomson)
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - tire pressures?

Which truck is that?

>i got rid of the truck you want to get it.

Joe T.
Wants Dodge Ram 2500 Cummins Turbo Deisel Quad Cab 4x4 Dark Green OR
Dodge Ram 1500 Quad Cab 4x4 Dark Green OR
Ford F-150 SuperCab 4x4 Black with 4x4 Off-Road OR
Chevrolet Silverado Extendend Cab 4x4 Dark Red with Z71 Off-Road

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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 08:39:07 -0500
From: Chad Royse
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 4x4 Problem on new '98 Expedition

Guys,

Here's the low down on a 4x4 truck. It is really only meant for low traction
situations. The resistance to moving in a 4x4 truck means you are not in a low
traction situation (which sometimes happens). Being as transfer cases in trucks
do not have a differential in them, there is no way to transfer torque. So both
axle's spin at the same speed all the time (in 4x4). Ford does not put locking
diffs in there vehicles so the turning resistance is not caused by this (some
one suggested that). It is caused because the front end tracks inside of the
rearend in a corner therefore each axle wants to spin at a different rate. When
your transfer case is in 4x4 both axles are locked together and won't allow this
to happen. So they bind up, until enough tension builds up to cause a wheel to
slip, then you learch forward.

You probably will even notice some resistance going straight too. This is due
to the added friction of turning the frontend components and more so because
your front tires bulge more due to weight bias. This causes the effective wheel
diameter to be slightly smaller in the front, which means your front axle turns
slightly faster than your rear axle.

As for full time 4x4, I personally wouldn't have it in a truck. Obviously, it's
only meant for light duty applications. Also, it eats extra MPG, has many more
parts, those parts wear 'full time' , and it costs more. I really see little
benefit in it, especially compared to those who have automatic hubs.

I hope this helps a few people.

Chad

Rex Iscariot wrote:

> >My daughter recently purchased a new '98 Expedition, and the other day
> after
> >driving it through heavy rain with the "4-wheel" drive engaged for the very
> >first time, she experienced something strange.
>
> I was wondering about this myself, on my F-150. I notice that the car
> doesn't really idle (similar to what you describe, as if the emergency brake
> were on), and especially in reverse, I need to give it a bit more gas than
> normal. Is this normal for 4WD? I've never had a 4WD vehicle before.

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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 08:49:31 -0500
From: Chad Royse
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: tire pressures

Correct me if I am wrong, but shouldn't you be able to load your truck to it's limit using the recommended pressure
in the door jam. The pressure on the tire is the tires maximum pressure, not the recommended pressure for every
vehicle any one ever thought of putting it on. Right?

Chad

Jeff wrote:

> You have to go by the numbers on the tire sidewall, not the door jam.
> The max load rating embossed on the sidewall is valid only when the tire
> is inflated at the max cold inflation psi.
> BTW, just because one tire has a max inflation psi greater than another
> tire doesn't mean it has a higher load capacity. Load capacity is
> determine by several factors, including tread width, number of plys in
> the sidewall, etc. Hence the reason the Firestone Steeltex tires that
> come OEM on the SD's have a load rating of 3415lbs (for the 265/75's
> anyway) is due to the 10-ply construction.
> You can run as low a pressure as you want, as long as the bead still holds. This is beneficial
> for rock-crawling, where 4 wheelers often air down to 10 psi or less.
> Realize if your carrying a load (and the truck empty is quite a load by itself) or traveling at highway speeds,
> you want more psi to prevent overheating (for the reasons aptly stated by Harald previously)
> which may result in premature tire failure, i.e. blowout.
> Jeff
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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 08:10:24 -0600
From: "Strukel, Mike"
Subject: FTE 97up - V10 mileage - a closer look

A while back, a number of you responded back to my question, asking about
mileage you were getting with the V10s. With these responses, it seems
that there are two distinct ranges when it comes to mileage. Group one
is 13-15mpg and group 2 is 8 - 10 mpg. I am trying to figure out why one
group is significantly better than the other. Soooo, can those of you
with V10s respond back with the configuration of your truck (4x4, 2x4,
250/350, xcab/std cab, 3.73/4.30, etc)? I would like to try to determine a
pattern. A couple of reviews I have recently read have really noted
the mileage as being extremely poor. That is starting to worry me a
little.


Mike Strukel
soon to be F250SD owner
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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 06:37:06 -0800
From: Joe Zuk
Subject: FTE 97up - 99 SD 4x4 systems

Hi all,
I am looking for someone that has a 99 F-250SD with 4x4 manual xfercase
and the auto. Last week I pick up my truck and started checking
everything out. The problem that I am having is getting the thing into
4wheel low. Going from 2wd to 4wd high is easy going. But to go from 4wd
high to 4wd low is a real bear. It takes alot of force on the shift
lever. Also sometimes it sounds like I am grinding the gears. I had the
local Ford dealer look at it. The tech. said that this is normal, but he
also said that he never saw a manual xfercase on one of these trucks
yet. The only other 4wd system that I have used in on my 87 Bronco II,
with a manual trans and manual xfercase, it doesn't make any noise. Is
this grinding sound normal in this truck?

Thanks,
Joe
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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 08:22:59 -0600
From: "Charles Abraham"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Dealer undercoating & paint guard, bed liner, and fiberglass lid

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Mark,

What I meant by "knowing better", is just that most new vehicles made
today have already had one of the best method of rust proofing -
galvanizing, done at the factory. So I no longer see the added value of
what the dealer is pushing as "rust proofing". About undercoating, as a
bed/fender sound deadener it works great, but keep in mind that it can
also trap water and road salt, which may hasten rust.

Charles.

Mark&Christine Wilson wrote:

> I just ordered a 1999 F150 XLT and I am considering purchasing the
> dealer undercoating and paint guard for $349. Is this a good idea
> since I live in Michigan? I was reading the recent Union Auto
> 10/26/98 message from Charles who made the comment, "I know better
> than to take the rust proofing and undercoating", which prompted me to
> ask naively why I should not purchase this option. I am also
> considering purchasing a Rhino Liner instead of the Ford Duraliner.
> Is this a good idea? Lastly, I am trying to decide on a fiberglass lid
> from either Astro or ARE. Any recommendations? Thanks, Mark



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Mark,

What I meant by "knowing better", is just that most new vehicles made
today have already had one of the best method of  rust proofing - 
galvanizing, done at the factory. So I no longer see the added value of
what the dealer is pushing as "rust proofing". About undercoating, as a 
bed/fender sound deadener it works great, but keep in mind that it can
also trap water and road salt, which may hasten rust.

Charles.

Mark&Christine Wilson wrote:
 I just
ordered a 1999 F150 XLT and I am considering purchasing the dealer undercoating
and paint guard for $349.  Is this a good idea since I live in Michigan? 
I was reading the recent Union Auto 10/26/98 message from Charles who made
the comment, "I know better than to take the rust proofing and undercoating",
which prompted me to ask naively why I should not purchase this option. I
am also considering purchasing a Rhino Liner instead of the Ford Duraliner. 
Is this a good idea? Lastly,
I am trying to decide on a fiberglass lid from either Astro or ARE. 
Any recommendations? Thanks, Mark
 



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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 07:55:27 -0600
From: "Union Auto"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Dealer undercoating & paint guard, bed liner, and fiberglass lid

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The undercoating costs the dealer about $25 so selling it to you with =
paint sealant (This is just $15 a bottle wax) for $350 they are making =
pretty good money. The paint sealant is a good thing to put on right =
away, but go to Parts America and get some wax with Teflon in it and wax =
it yourself.

As for bedliners I really like the Ford Duraliner. It fits better than =
most of the other liners I've sold (never had a rhino liner though) and =
has some stuff on the bottom that helps keep things from sliding that =
most bedliners don't have. I sell them for $180 installed, so watch =
what someone wants to charge you for them. Expect to pay slightly more =
but don't pay $300.

Nathan Bernard
Union Auto, Inc

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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 09:11:43 -0600
From: "Charles Abraham"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 4x4 Problem on new '98 Expedition

Thanks Jean,

Charles.



Jean Marc Chartier wrote:

>
>
> Charles Abraham wrote:
>
>> My daughter recently purchased a new '98 Expedition, and the other
>> day after
>> driving it through heavy rain with the "4-wheel" drive engaged for
>> the very
>> first time, she experienced something strange. After parking the
>> vehicle for
>> about a half hour, when she went to back out of the parking space -
>> wheels cut
>> all the way, the truck seemed resistant on moving. Almost as if the
>> emergency
>> brake was on, which it wasn't. The same thing again happened later
>> that day, so
>> she switched off the 4-wheel drive and hasn't used it since.
>>
>> Not having a chance yet to get over and check it out myself, I was
>> wondering if
>> anyone else has experienced such a problem? And if it's something to
>> be
>> concerned over? (Of course it's still under warranty.)
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Charles.
>>
>
> Charles,
> This is a normal thing to happen if the truck was in 4Hi or
> 4Lo. The wheels at both ends are trying to travel at different speeds
> and they cannot so they "bind". I believe the Expidition has an
> "AUTO" mode. If so use that, it will allow the truck to differentiate
> the wheel speeds at each end and they will not bind. Instruct your
> Daughter not to use the 4Hi or 4Lo setting on wet pavement as it could
> damage the drive train. Have her read the owner's manual it should
> explain in more detail when to use the different settings.
>
> Regards
>
> Jean Marc Chartier



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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 09:02:16 -0800
From: Ken Peterson
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Tachometer Connection

>You want the white wire with the pink stripe found in the
>large wiring harness going thru the firewall near the pedals.
>The shop manual shows this wire going to a connector on the back of the
>instrument panel, still being a white wire with pink stripe. I haven't
>added my tach yet so I can't tell you how hard it is to locate.

Danny, where did *you* find this information? Did you buy the electrical
supplement to the expensive shop manuals? A third-party source?

I want to make a couple of modifications and need to know the wire codings
in the dash panel. I'm not sure what manual to buy. The expensive Vols 1
and 2 of the big shop set don't cover any electrical wiring.

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Ken Peterson, Portland, OR
1998 F-250LD Lariat, extended cab, short bed, 4X2, 5.4l, class-3 tow options
LT245X16/steel rims, 4W disks + ABS, load-leveling rear suspension.
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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 09:38:25 -0800
From: Andrew Chung
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Straight answer on air lift suspension and shocks

It looks like I have a total 4 four leaves on the rear and no spring in the
front. They do look more like pistons when I look at the front. It seems
a little strange that there would be no springs on the front end even if I
had the pistons. Maybe I'm missing something, I just took a quick look.
I'm not complaining at all about the leveling, it's great! I just want
the ride to be smoother AND get the leveling =)

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From: Ken Peterson [SMTP:kmp imagina.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 1998 17:50
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Straight answer on air lift suspension and shocks

> The problem I have is that the air ride suspension shocks seem to be
>larger in diameter than standard shocks and they are attached to the air
>compressor. Compounded with that problem is that my trip computer will
>complain each time I start the car if I turn the air compressor off.

I have the rear load-leveling suspension on my F-250LD and love it! I was
told by a Ford-dealer mechanic that the parts are from the rear suspension
of the Explorer. Maybe BS -- is the Explorer rear leaf-sprung?

If so, the air leveling units are *pistons*, not shocks. The rear srrings
on my truck have only *two* leaves each, plus those air pistons and a
torque-arm on each side to prevent axle windup (a *nice* extra benefit of
the LLS). Test-dropping a 2000-lb camper onto the bed was a big yawn for
the LLS -- snapped it into level within 30 sec. Felt solid as could be on
mountain roads.

The truck has heavier-duty shocks than the stock truck with standard
leaves, according to the specs. The damping's really high.

In spite of that, loaded only with my 250-lb canopy and a passenger, the
truck rides like a dream, and I prefer touring in it over the Subaru --
quieter, for one thing. Pity on the gas mileage!

Maybe all you have to do is upgreade your shocks to adjustable or Fords HD
ones.

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Ken Peterson, Portland, OR
1998 F-250LD Lariat, extended cab, short bed, 4X2, 5.4l, class-3 tow
options
LT245X16/steel rims, 4W disks + ABS, load-leveling rear suspension.
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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 09:45:15 -0800
From: Andrew Chung
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Reply to Ken Payne about MPG computer

I too have a trip computer with the instantaneous MPG, average mpg, miles
empty, etc. My computer on the other hand is off by an average of 3.2%
with it ranging from being off only 0.1% to up to a whopping 12.36%! The
12.36% error occured when the computer thought I used 19.2 gallons when I
used 21.9. If anyone else on this list has stats on their trip computers,
it would be appreciated. I don't know what I'm getting is at least in the
normal range or if there is something I can do to get it fixed.

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From: Jack Harrison [SMTP:harrison mhtc.net]
Sent: Sunday, October 25, 1998 15:50
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Reply to Ken Payne about MPG computer

Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 12:46:49 -0700
From: Ken Peterson
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 5.4L in a SD and other questions

>BTW- My mpg computer is accurate within less than 1%

Um, is this a stock feature? If it's aftermarket and you think there's a
gasoline model, please describe.

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Ken,

I thought all Lariats had a trip computer on them. They must just come on
Expy's and SD's. Mine is in a little overhead console and it will give
average mpg, distance to empty, and outside temp. in English or metric
units. It also has a compass built in. One of the reasons (amongst
others)
that I bought the Lariat pkg. was to get this thing which is not available
on XLT's. Apparently, the instantaneous MPG feature has been disabled on
these, probably because too many people panicked when they saw the mpg
while
pulling a heavy load up a hill.

Jack.




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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 09:47:31 -0800
From: Andrew Chung
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Straight answer on air lift suspension and shocks

Which "shocks" are you talking about here? I just re-read the post and I'm
getting more confused. I only see one cylindrical shock/piston object
attached to the axle near the wheels. Does your F-250LD have both the
shocks and the pistons?

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From: Ken Peterson [SMTP:kmp imagina.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 1998 17:50
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Straight answer on air lift suspension and shocks

> The problem I have is that the air ride suspension shocks seem to be
>larger in diameter than standard shocks and they are attached to the air
>compressor. Compounded with that problem is that my trip computer will
>complain each time I start the car if I turn the air compressor off.

I have the rear load-leveling suspension on my F-250LD and love it! I was
told by a Ford-dealer mechanic that the parts are from the rear suspension
of the Explorer. Maybe BS -- is the Explorer rear leaf-sprung?

If so, the air leveling units are *pistons*, not shocks. The rear srrings
on my truck have only *two* leaves each, plus those air pistons and a
torque-arm on each side to prevent axle windup (a *nice* extra benefit of
the LLS). Test-dropping a 2000-lb camper onto the bed was a big yawn for
the LLS -- snapped it into level within 30 sec. Felt solid as could be on
mountain roads.

The truck has heavier-duty shocks than the stock truck with standard
leaves, according to the specs. The damping's really high.

In spite of that, loaded only with my 250-lb canopy and a passenger, the
truck rides like a dream, and I prefer touring in it over the Subaru --
quieter, for one thing. Pity on the gas mileage!

Maybe all you have to do is upgreade your shocks to adjustable or Fords HD
ones.

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Ken Peterson, Portland, OR
1998 F-250LD Lariat, extended cab, short bed, 4X2, 5.4l, class-3 tow
options
LT245X16/steel rims, 4W disks + ABS, load-leveling rear suspension.
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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 14:50:45 -0500
From: "Todd E."
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Dealer Options - are they worth it?

Typical salesman, a $300 bedliner is about $150 more than you have to pay for
one. expect to pay around $150 for a bed liner. Now you know where the sales guy
is coming from, so base all his other "good advice" off of this.

Dave Burdick wrote:

> CHARLES,
> MY NAME IS FRED LOVELL AND I AM A SALES PERSON FOR A FORD STORE IN
> NEW YORK. THE RUST PROOFING IS MAINLY INTENDED FOR AREAS LIKE MINE THAT
> GET AN AVARAGE OF 140" INCHES OF SNOW A YEAR AND WHERE THEY USE SALT ON
> THE ROADS. AS TO THE OTHER STUFF BUG GUARDS AND BED LINERS THEY ARE
> THERE TO PROTECT THE TRUCKS FINISH. IF YOU DO A LOT OF THE HIGHWAY
> DRIVING THEN I WOULD SUGGEST THE BUG GUARD THEY ARE IN EXPENSIVE AND ARE
> A LOT CHEAPER THEN HAVE TO REPAINT YOUR HOOD. BED LINERS ARE AROUND
> $299 PLUS TAX AND IF YOU PAY MORE THEN THAT I WOULD HAGGLE THEM TO THAT
> OR FLAT OUT GO ELSE WHERE. THES UNDER THE LIP BEDLINERS ARE GREAT FOR
> PROTECTING THE BED OF YOUR TRUCK AND I HAVE BEEN USING THAT FOR MY OWN
> TRUCK. IF THEY OFFER YOU A WARRENTY AND IT IS NOT A FORD ESP WARRENTY
> DON'T BUY IT. THE FORD WARRENTY IS ACCEPTED AT ANY FORD DEALER NOT JUST
> YOUR LOCAL DEALER. IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS LET ME KNOW.
>
> Fred Lovell
> Burdick Ford
> Central Square NY
> 315-668-7102
> burdickford hotmail.com
>
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> >Dumb question but need to know. When I finally take delivery on my new
> '99 Super Duty,
> >I know that before I'm allowed to drive it out the showroom door, the
> dealer will submit
> >me to a battery of "dealer installed options" he would like to sell me
> . Are any of
> >them worth buying?
> >
> >I know better than to take the rust proofing and undercoating. But what
> about a bug
> >guard? Bed liner? Dealer's own extended warranty - not Ford's?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Charles.
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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 14:53:05 -0500
From: "Todd E."
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Bed covers

You can try a roll top bed cover, they are aluminum rolling panels that cover the
bed and lock try http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pace-edwards.com or something like that, the company
is called pace edwards. This type is around $1000 so its not cheap, but it might
be what you are looking for.

Condit aol.com wrote:

> 97 up-list postmaster:
> I sent this message the other day (last Thursday, I believe), but I have not
> seen it posted. Did I send it in wrong? What should I do to make sure it is
> posted on the forum? If nothing else, I hope you will post it now. Thanks.
>
> Don Condit
>
> I just bought a '99 F-150 Super Cab with a short bed. I'd like to have a hard
> shell cover for the bed, one that locks. Can anyone recommend a cover that
> opens widely and is not so heavy that it would be awkward for my wife and I to
> handle. Also, how difficult is the installation? Does it simply bolt to
> existing holes or fasteners in the truck?
> Thanks for your advice!
> Don Condit
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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 15:31:29 -0500
From: Jean Marc Chartier
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Dealer Options - are they worth it?

Todd E. wrote:

> Typical salesman, a $300 bedliner is about $150 more than you have to pay for
> one. expect to pay around $150 for a bed liner. Now you know where the sales guy
> is coming from, so base all his other "good advice" off of this.
>
> Dave Burdick wrote:
>
> > CHARLES,
> > MY NAME IS FRED LOVELL AND I AM A SALES PERSON FOR A FORD STORE IN
> > NEW YORK. THE RUST PROOFING IS MAINLY INTENDED FOR AREAS LIKE MINE THAT
> > GET AN AVARAGE OF 140" INCHES OF SNOW A YEAR AND WHERE THEY USE SALT ON
> > THE ROADS. AS TO THE OTHER STUFF BUG GUARDS AND BED LINERS THEY ARE
> > THERE TO PROTECT THE TRUCKS FINISH. IF YOU DO A LOT OF THE HIGHWAY
> > DRIVING THEN I WOULD SUGGEST THE BUG GUARD THEY ARE IN EXPENSIVE AND ARE
> > A LOT CHEAPER THEN HAVE TO REPAINT YOUR HOOD. BED LINERS ARE AROUND
> > $299 PLUS TAX AND IF YOU PAY MORE THEN THAT I WOULD HAGGLE THEM TO THAT
> > OR FLAT OUT GO ELSE WHERE. THES UNDER THE LIP BEDLINERS ARE GREAT FOR
> > PROTECTING THE BED OF YOUR TRUCK AND I HAVE BEEN USING THAT FOR MY OWN
> > TRUCK. IF THEY OFFER YOU A WARRENTY AND IT IS NOT A FORD ESP WARRENTY
> > DON'T BUY IT. THE FORD WARRENTY IS ACCEPTED AT ANY FORD DEALER NOT JUST
> > YOUR LOCAL DEALER. IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS LET ME KNOW.
> >
> > Fred Lovell
> > Burdick Ford
> > Central Square NY
> > 315-668-7102
> > burdickford hotmail.com

I have a 1988 Beretta that has had rustproofing/undercoating and there is very
little rust showing up after 10 yrs. It serves a purpose. If you get the kind that
dries hard is could trap moisture and cause more harm than good. Do you wash inside
the wheel wells and under the lip. I do. Not washing there leaves dirt behind that
will trap moisture and cause rust. To make a long story short for every PRO you will
find a CON to undercoating. I have a Bug Guard and a Bed Liner but no undercoating.
It is a leased truck. I liked the look of the bug Guard, The bed liner is there to
protect me from a paint claim at lease end and I don't require the undercoating
because of the short term use of the truck.

Regards

Jean Marc Chartier

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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 15:36:26 -0500
From: Jean Marc Chartier
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 99 SD 4x4 systems

Joe Zuk wrote:

> Hi all,
> I am looking for someone that has a 99 F-250SD with 4x4 manual xfercase
> and the auto. Last week I pick up my truck and started checking
> everything out. The problem that I am having is getting the thing into
> 4wheel low. Going from 2wd to 4wd high is easy going. But to go from 4wd
> high to 4wd low is a real bear. It takes alot of force on the shift
> lever. Also sometimes it sounds like I am grinding the gears. I had the
> local Ford dealer look at it. The tech. said that this is normal, but he
> also said that he never saw a manual xfercase on one of these trucks
> yet. The only other 4wd system that I have used in on my 87 Bronco II,
> with a manual trans and manual xfercase, it doesn't make any noise. Is
> this grinding sound normal in this truck?
>
> Thanks,
> Joe

Joe,

Have you tried it with the transmission in neutral, and your foot on the
break? If that still causes it to grind I would have the shift lever
adjustment checked. If it doesn't go all the way into 4Lo it could grind
until it pops in.

Regards

Jean Marc Chartier



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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 13:44:05 -0800
From: Ken Peterson
Subject: RE: FTE 97up - Straight answer on air lift suspension and shocks

>Which "shocks" are you talking about here? I just re-read the post and I'm
>getting more confused. I only see one cylindrical shock/piston object
>attached to the axle near the wheels. Does your F-250LD have both the
>shocks and the pistons?

Yes. The air-suspension pistons are located in line with the leaf-spring
attachments, and the shocks are where you find them on all F-series trucks:
inboard of the springs on their own brackets. They are completely
independent systems.

- ---------------
Ken Peterson, Portland, OR
1998 F-250LD Lariat, extended cab, short bed, 4X2, 5.4l, class-3 tow options
LT245X16/steel rims, 4W disks + ABS, load-leveling rear suspension.
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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 17:37:49 -0500
From: "Todd E."
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Dealer Options - are they worth it?

The reason you don't need the rustproffing and undercoating, is because factory
treatments of the vehicle are very good, and the undercoating/rustproofing provide no
real additional benefit. Keeping your vehicles clean like you do is an excellent way to
prevent rust and corrosion. Bug guards and bedliners do provide benefits. I was just
commenting that the salesman was quoting a steep price for the Bedliner, but making it
sound like it was a good one.

> I have a 1988 Beretta that has had rustproofing/undercoating and there is very
> little rust showing up after 10 yrs. It serves a purpose. If you get the kind that
> dries hard is could trap moisture and cause more harm than good. Do you wash inside
> the wheel wells and under the lip. I do. Not washing there leaves dirt behind that
> will trap moisture and cause rust. To make a long story short for every PRO you will
> find a CON to undercoating. I have a Bug Guard and a Bed Liner but no undercoating.
> It is a leased truck. I liked the look of the bug Guard, The bed liner is there to
> protect me from a paint claim at lease end and I don't require the undercoating
> because of the short term use of the truck.
>
> Regards
>
> Jean Marc Chartier
>
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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 14:59:34 -0800
From: "Alan Wilson"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Dealer Options - are they worth it?

"Todd E." wrote:

> I was just
> commenting that the salesman was quoting a steep price for the Bedliner, but making it
> sound like it was a good one.

That's his job.

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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 19:58:20 +0000
From: MLHTFH ix.netcom.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 99 F150 Sport

Re: F150 Sport Package
Hi all. I am new to the list. Have not own a truck yet, but hopefully
soon. I am trying to learn as much about F150 as I can for now, until
I get one.
John. According to a dealer I spoke to recently, the sport package
will not be available until the Nov. 8. But no apparent reason was
posted at the time in dealer/Ford company data base. I saw the
official printout for the sport package. Both the red one(flareside)
and the black(stylside) look really sharp with the package. I think an
additional week or two is well worth the wait.
I do have a question however regarding this sport package, and wonder
if any one of you out there who is a lot more knowledgable then I can
help. How come 4X4 version of this package comes with more goodies(eg.
fog lamps and tachometer whereas the 4X2 does not ? Is the black mesh
grille refers to the honeycomb grille for both 4X4 and 4X2? Since I am
interested in a 4X2 only, I would very much like to know what my first
truck will look like. Thanks.
Thau
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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 98 20:04:35 PST
From: "Jeff"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 99 SD 4x4 systems

I have no problem with mine. I assume your not a complete idiot and are =
attempting to shift
to 4LO while moving... ;)

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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 98 20:30:56 PST
From: "Jeff"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: tire pressures

The tire pressure on the door jam is based on the tires the truck came =
with. If you don't have those tires, it's meaningless.
You have to go by the max cold inflation pressure on your tire sidewall; =
the max load rating (also on the sidewall) of that particular tire is
based on it being inflated to that max pressure. But don't over-inflate.=
..

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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 23:21:17 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 97up - Fwd: Can U Help Me!

Forwarded For: Susan Kerr
Please send replies to bkerr cabler.cableregina.com, not to the list.

Dear (person who gets this letter),

Ok, I know this is going to sound stupid if you have no idea what I'm
talking about. Please bear
with me. On CMT, they mentioned a contest that Ford is putting on. I
think you write different lyrics to Alan Jackson's song, and if yours
gets picked you win something. Well, seeing how you guys are Ford
fanatics, not that I'm not, I was wondering if you happened to know
something about it. Where you send the lyrics, what you win, if its
even still on. Now, I don't know if I sent this to the right spot, if
not please forwarded to someone who might know.
I've already tried to contact CMT, and they are no help AT ALL. Not
that I hold that against them. Ok, anyway, I would really appreciate
your help, if you know anything.

Thanx a bunch,

Yours Truly,

Becky


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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 19:56:06 -0800
From: The Hepburn
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: tire pressures

Charles Abraham wrote:
>
> Everything I've read says that optimum tire pressure is one pound under
> maximum PSI.

The optimum pressure for a tire can be found on the tire manufacturer's
load charts. You need to weigh each corner of your truck, then get
the tire load chart and put as much air in the tire as is shown on
the chart...anything else is a compromise, and will cost you money.

Alan Hepburn
Alan Hepburn.com

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