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97up-list-digest Monday, October 26 1998 Volume 01 : Number 258 ======================================================================= Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1997 and Newer Trucks and Vans Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - To unsubscribe, send email to: majordomo  ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe 97up-list-digest" in the body of the message. ======================================================================= In this issue: Re: FTE 97up - Daytime Running Lamp Specs Re: FTE 97up - tire pressures? Re: FTE 97up - Daytime Running Lamp Specs Re: FTE 97up - castrol syntec oil 5w-50 instead of mobil 1 5w-30, problem? FTE 97up - Auxilary Fuel Tank Re: FTE 97up - 99 F150 Sport Re: FTE 97up - Undercoating Re: FTE 97up - tire pressures? FTE 97up - 4x4 Problem on new '98 Expedition FTE 97up - Re: Undercoating Re: FTE 97up - 4x4 Problem on new '98 Expedition FTE 97up - Bob(love that diesel)Legates question FTE 97up - missing center cap on Alcoa PSD wheel Re: FTE 97up - missing center cap on Alcoa PSD wheel Re: FTE 97up - Re: Undercoating FTE 97up - Dealer Options - are they worth it? FTE 97up - Re: tire pressures FTE 97up - re: Undercoating FTE 97up - Re: lowering my 4x4 FTE 97up - Re: 97up-list-digest V1 #257 Re: FTE 97up - Re: tire pressures Re: FTE 97up - Re: tire pressures Re: FTE 97up - Dealer Options - are they worth it? Re: FTE 97up - Re: tire pressures FTE 97up - Re: Wheels and Tires FTE 97up - Dealer undercoating & paint guard, bed liner, and fiberglass lid FTE 97up - Humour Re: FTE 97up - Dealer Options - are they worth it? Re: FTE 97up - 4x4 Problem on new '98 Expedition Re: FTE 97up - Re: Undercoating Re: FTE 97up - re: Undercoating FTE 97up - Towing Capacity Help FTE 97up - silverado comp[arison Re: FTE 97up - Dealer Options - are they worth it? FTE 97up - undercoating FTE 97up - PowerStroke Deisel Re: FTE 97up - Re: tire pressures FTE 97up - ATTN: Fred Lovell Re: FTE 97up - Dealer undercoating & paint guard, bed liner, and fiberglass lid Re: FTE 97up - Re: Wheels and Tires FTE 97up - Bed covers Re: FTE 97up - tire pressures? Re: FTE 97up - 4x4 Problem on new '98 Expedition ======================================================================= ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 06:00:20 -0500 From: fordf-150_4x4 juno.com (Joe E Thomson) Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Daytime Running Lamp Specs Daytime Running Lamps are supposed to be on all day long. Hense the name!! Joe T. Wants Dodge Ram 2500 Cummins Turbo Deisel Quad Cab 4x4 Dark Green OR Dodge Ram 1500 Quad Cab 4x4 Dark Green OR Ford F-150 SuperCab 4x4 Black with 4x4 Off-Road OR Chevrolet Silverado Extendend Cab 4x4 Dark Red with Z71 Off-Road On Sun, 25 Oct 1998 21:32:40 -0500 Chris Stout writes: >I've got DRL's on my 1998 F-150 Lariat and as of late, it seems like >the = >lights come on way to early when I activate the DRL feature. It seems >= >like they're coming on when it's still too bright out. Does anyone >know = >where the sensor is located that tells the computer when to turn the = >headlights on? Could it be dirty and is thinking it's darker out than >= >it really is? > >Thanks in advance! > >Chris Stout > > > >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info >http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 06:01:32 -0500 From: fordf-150_4x4 juno.com (Joe E Thomson) Subject: Re: FTE 97up - tire pressures? How do you like your Powerstroke Dielsel? Joe T. Wants Dodge Ram 2500 Cummins Turbo Deisel Quad Cab 4x4 Dark Green OR Dodge Ram 1500 Quad Cab 4x4 Dark Green OR Ford F-150 SuperCab 4x4 Black with 4x4 Off-Road OR Chevrolet Silverado Extendend Cab 4x4 Dark Red with Z71 Off-Road On Mon, 12 Oct 1998 10:13:46 -0700 geoff campbell writes: >The fuel seperator valve is a red handle right under the plastic >thing in the >center of the engine that says 7.3 liter. Right smack in the middle of >the >engine. > >Geoff Campbell >99 PSD 250SD Crew cab > >Robert & Julie Legates wrote: > >> I have a 99 F250 super duty ,super cab with the power stroke, the >truck >> came with 16 inch steeltex radials on alum. rims.The tires say 80 >psi. that >> seems pretty high for cruising around with nothing in the bed. What >is >> everybody else running in their tires? I pull a 6,000 lb. camper >from time >> to time. >> Also I cannot find the fuel/water seperator drain valve, when I >look over >> the front passenger tire I can see a short metal tube but can't see >where >> it goes. Any help on these issues would be appreciated. >> >> Thanks >> Bob (love that diesel) Legates >> == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info >http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > > > >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info >http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 08:13:36 -0500 From: Jean Marc Chartier Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Daytime Running Lamp Specs Chris Stout wrote: > I've got DRL's on my 1998 F-150 Lariat and as of late, it seems like the lights come on way to early when I activate the DRL feature. It seems like they're coming on when it's still too bright out. Does anyone know where the sensor is located that tells the computer when to turn the headlights on? Could it be dirty and is thinking it's darker out than it really is? > > Thanks in advance! > > Chris Stout > Chris, DRL stands for Daytime Running Lights. What this means is the lights come on all day long. In Canada its the law, all vehicles produced after 1980 something must have DRL's. On my 1997 F-150 they come one as soon as you start the engine and release the parking brake. Regards Jean Marc Chartier == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 08:17:17 -0500 From: Jean Marc Chartier Subject: Re: FTE 97up - castrol syntec oil 5w-50 instead of mobil 1 5w-30, problem? Matt Adams wrote: > Ive got a potential problem here. The problem is I couldn't find any Mobil > 1 when I went to change my oil today, so I chose castrol syntec instead > (which according to some people could probably be problem #1), but I didn't > realize until I had dumped all 6 quarts in there that I purchased 5w-50 > instead of 5w-30. Anyone know what kinda damage this can do, or will it > even be a problem? Should I just go find some more oil, drain out what I've > got and put some real stuff down, or just wait 3000 miles and then put in > the right stuff? > > Matt > 98 Ford F-150 - http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pcisys.net/~mattbert/babe/f150.html > Matt, I use 5w50 in my 97 F-150 w/ 4.6L and so far no problems. I believe what Ford is worried about is the number before the "w". If you use 10w30 you could cause problems. As long as the number after the "w" is as high as 30 you are OK. Regards Jean Marc Chartier == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 07:43:02 -0700 From: "Bill Garbutt" Subject: FTE 97up - Auxilary Fuel Tank This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01BE00B4.42C6F140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have just purchases a 1999, F350, Power Stroke. The truck only has = fuel capacity of 38 gallons. My previous trucks had two fuel tanks, so = I was able to replace the front 18 gallon tank with a 40 gallon tank and = use the existing front filler door. Does anyone have a suggestion for = carrying extra fuel. I sometimes carry a truck camper so a bed-mounted = tank would have to be removable. And once removed I would be back to 38 = gallons of fuel. Thanks, Bill - ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01BE00B4.42C6F140 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http-equiv=3DContent-Type> I have just purchases a 1999, F350, = Power=20 Stroke. The truck only has fuel capacity of 38 gallons. My = previous=20 trucks had two fuel tanks, so I was able to replace the front 18 gallon = tank=20 with a 40 gallon tank and use the existing front filler door. Does = anyone=20 have a suggestion for carrying extra fuel. I sometimes carry a = truck=20 camper so a bed-mounted tank would have to be removable. And once = removed=20 I would be back to 38 gallons of fuel. Thanks, Bill - ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01BE00B4.42C6F140-- == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 09:39:11 -0600 From: "Union Auto" Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 99 F150 Sport Job 1 on the XLT sport package is NOV 2. They have said this from the start so don't expect it to get scheduled until then. Nathan - -----Original Message----- From: John Walker To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com Date: Sunday, October 25, 1998 5:21 PM Subject: FTE 97up - 99 F150 Sport >Does anyone have any new information regarding the production hold on the >F150 Sport package? I ordered a F150 XLT Reg Cab, SB, 4.6/5-Speed with >Sport Package on 9/14 and I was informed that there was a production hold >date until November 2. To my knowledge, the XL with Sport package was also >late availability. To my suprise there was a silver XL Sport sitting at my >local dealer Saturday. I called Ford customer service last week and they >weren't very helpful in finding my production date. Any information is >greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance! > >John Walker > >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 09:37:11 -0600 From: "Union Auto" Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Undercoating We don't do undercoating anymore. They dip the bodies on new trucks in zinc based primer and I think this should help prevent rust. If you look under one that has been undercoated, after a few years the undercoating cracks and holds salt and moisture against the body. Undercoating does help reduce noise though. Nathan Bernard Union Auto, Inc. - -----Original Message----- From: Chris Stout To: 'Ford Truck List' Date: Sunday, October 25, 1998 7:15 PM Subject: FTE 97up - Undercoating I've had my 1998 F-150 Lariat now for a year and have been very pleased with it. At the time of purchase, I elected not to get the vehicle undercoated/rustproofed. Now that I'm stationed in Michigan where the winters are long and the road salt plentiful, I'm reconsidering. Would it be wise to get my truck undercoated/rustproofed? Any good/bad experiences out there? Any recommendations for a brand/application method? With todays body rust warranties and more rust resistance materials, is it a waste of money to get a vehicle rustproofed? Thanks in advance! Very Respectfully, Chris Stout Lieutenant, U.S. Coast Guard Operations Officer USCGC MACKINAW (WAGB 83) 616.627.3181 cstout pobox.com (internet) "Now go take on the day!" =FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 09:01:59 -0800 From: Ken Peterson Subject: Re: FTE 97up - tire pressures? >I have a 99 F250 super duty ,super cab with the power stroke, the truck >came with 16 inch steeltex radials on alum. rims.The tires say 80 psi. that >seems pretty high for cruising around with nothing in the bed. What is >everybody else running in their tires? I take tire pressures very seriously in all of my vehicles, as there are tradeoffs to be considered. The number on the tire is the maximum cold pressure for which the tires are rated (warrented, designed). My stock Goodyear Wrangler AP LT245/75-16 are rated at 75psi, but a friend's Michelin LTX tires are 85psi. Says something about the tire, too. My experience: My truck is 3050# front, 2600# rear axle weights with two passengers, canopy, and incidental load (light outdoor gear, etc). This represents much of what the truck does for us. I run front tires at 45# cold, and the rears also at 45#. The tires are wearing perfectly evenly across the tread. (But note: the wheels are *perfectly* aligned for zero toe-in -- a requirement for even wear at any pressure.) The tradeoffs. When I run the fronts at 35-40#, the freeway handling is sloppier, ride is a little more comfortable, but not much. The mush factor increases, something I don't like in such a fine-handling truck! If I increase front to 50#, the ride is more noisy, jiggly, and fatiguing. Freeway handling isn't much improved. So 45# seems a good compromise: hard enough for good water rejection from tread (this *is* Oregon), predictable and steady handling, good steering turn-in, even tire wear, and resistance to sidewall pinching on potholes. Soft enough for decent ride, reasonable noise, pleasant cruising, and acceptable ride and grip on rough dirt roads. I could run the rears at 40# for no load, I suppose, but the extra 5# at 45# allows for throwing mild loads in back without worrying about the tires being too soft. The stiffness of the rear sidewalls *does* affect handling. I carry an accurate dial gauge. So for my rig, these choices are a good all-around choice. If I change tires to, say, Dunlops, I will have to reconsider the pressures, but not by much, I'll bet. When I recently tested a 2000# camper load in the back, I increased the rear to 75# and front to 50#. Seemed well-balanced. but I would want the extra insurance of an 85#-rated tire in the long run in back. And you have to consider the weight that shifts forward during braking and increase the front somewhat for safety. The spec on the door jamb seems to be excessive for a lightly-loaded truck. They're safe pressures, just not optimal. - --------------- Ken Peterson, Portland, OR 1998 F-250LD Lariat, extended cab, short bed, 4X2, 5.4l, class-3 tow options LT245X16/steel rims, 4W disks + ABS, load-leveling rear suspension. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 10:00:26 -0600 From: "Charles Abraham" Subject: FTE 97up - 4x4 Problem on new '98 Expedition My daughter recently purchased a new '98 Expedition, and the other day after driving it through heavy rain with the "4-wheel" drive engaged for the very first time, she experienced something strange. After parking the vehicle for about a half hour, when she went to back out of the parking space - wheels cut all the way, the truck seemed resistant on moving. Almost as if the emergency brake was on, which it wasn't. The same thing again happened later that day, so she switched off the 4-wheel drive and hasn't used it since. Not having a chance yet to get over and check it out myself, I was wondering if anyone else has experienced such a problem? And if it's something to be concerned over? (Of course it's still under warranty.) Thanks, Charles. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 11:50:09 -0600 From: Janster Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Undercoating I had an undercoating put on my 96 F150. It wasn't a good idea. The application was done very sloppy. They leaked it into the front right brake linings which caused the truck to veer to the right when braking. I had to take it back to the dealer sveral times to get it corrected. The workman also had dirty boots on when they put in my sliding rear window at the same time(still don't know why it didn't come installed from the factory). I had black smear marks in the cab, behind the bench seat, and scuff marks along the doors. Another problem is when you change the oil. Getting to the oil filter will leave you smeared w/ black undercoating. I've read in different articles that nowadays, w/ the improvements all the truck makers have done, its not much of a problem anymore. Pocketing the money needed will make you happy. Besides, the undercoating folks limit the warranty they'll give you if you don't have it done right away. Hope this helps == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 12:44:24 -0500 From: "Todd E." Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 4x4 Problem on new '98 Expedition This is not a problem, this is normal 4x4 operation. The differential in 4 wheel drive mode does no allow the wheels to move at different rates of speed. The wheels on the inside of a turn must actually slip on the driving surface, that is why you should only operate in 4x4 mode when driving on slippery surfaces. To operate on dry surfaces will cause excessive tire wear, and damage the drivetrain. It is probably not advantageous to drive in 4 wheel drive mode on simple rain covered roads, unless you are experiencing a lot of wheel spin. Charles Abraham wrote: > My daughter recently purchased a new '98 Expedition, and the other day after > driving it through heavy rain with the "4-wheel" drive engaged for the very > first time, she experienced something strange. After parking the vehicle for > about a half hour, when she went to back out of the parking space - wheels cut > all the way, the truck seemed resistant on moving. Almost as if the emergency > brake was on, which it wasn't. The same thing again happened later that day, so > she switched off the 4-wheel drive and hasn't used it since. > > Not having a chance yet to get over and check it out myself, I was wondering if > anyone else has experienced such a problem? And if it's something to be > concerned over? (Of course it's still under warranty.) > > Thanks, > > Charles. > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 09:47:33 -0800 From: Shawn Utz Subject: FTE 97up - Bob(love that diesel)Legates question Hi Bob, I have the '97 PSD. Recently I have been in the fuel filter service mode. On the '97 the servicable features under the hood are all colored yellow. If you look where typically you would find a carburator in the "V" of the motor you will see a round fuel bowl. Mine has a black molded plastic cap with vertical "fins" on it. Look around the lower edge of of this thing and maybe (?) you will see a yellow slide lever labeled open and drain. This is the drain valve lever. Again, In the '97... BTW, I took the advice of Jason's powerstroke page http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.abol.com/users/jlester/ and connected about three feet of fuel line to the short metal tube to control the spew. Just coiled it up and put back up in there. Also take a look at diesel injection service throug the links on Jason's page. Exceptional prices on fuel filters! Have fun, Shawn I have a 99 F250 super duty ,super cab with the power stroke, the truck came with 16 inch steeltex radials on alum. rims.The tires say 80 psi. that seems pretty high for cruising around with nothing in the bed. What is everybody else running in their tires? I pull a 6,000 lb. camper from time to time. Also I cannot find the fuel/water seperator drain valve, when I look over the front passenger tire I can see a short metal tube but can't see where it goes. Any help on these issues would be appreciated. Thanks Bob (love that diesel) Legates - -- Shawn R. Utz shawn tera.com Tera Computer Co. Tel: (206)490-2024 2815 Eastlake Ave E. FAX: (206)325-2433 Seattle WA 98102 == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 10:07:56 -0800 From: Shawn Utz Subject: FTE 97up - missing center cap on Alcoa PSD wheel Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 13:26:59 -0500 From: "Union Auto" Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Looking for a SRW PSD stock hub cap What year Hub cap (Alcoa style not wheel cover right)? Also are you still in warranty? Nathan Bernard Union Auto, Inc. 97' Alcoa PSD wheel center cap is missing. Yes, I am at ~16K miles. Thanks Nathan - -Shawn - -- Shawn R. Utz shawn tera.com Tera Computer Co. Tel: (206)490-2024 2815 Eastlake Ave E. FAX: (206)325-2433 Seattle WA 98102 == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 12:19:17 -0600 From: "Union Auto" Subject: Re: FTE 97up - missing center cap on Alcoa PSD wheel This should be covered under warranty then. I have had several of those fall off and have replaced them under warranty. Also anyone with a 1999 F-Series Super Duty DRW make sure caps are securely on. They feel like their tight but will fall off unless you make positive they are on. Nathan Bernard Union Auto, Inc. - -----Original Message----- From: Shawn Utz To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com Date: Monday, October 26, 1998 12:21 PM Subject: FTE 97up - missing center cap on Alcoa PSD wheel >Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 13:26:59 -0500 >From: "Union Auto" >Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Looking for a SRW PSD stock hub cap > >What year Hub cap (Alcoa style not wheel cover right)? Also are you >still >in warranty? > >Nathan Bernard >Union Auto, Inc. > >97' Alcoa PSD wheel center cap is missing. Yes, I am at ~16K miles. > >Thanks Nathan > >-Shawn == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 10:44:03 -0800 From: "Michael D. Sheridan" Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Undercoating Janster wrote: > > I had an undercoating put on my 96 F150. It wasn't a good idea. The > application was done very sloppy. They leaked it into the front right > brake linings which caused the truck to veer to the right when braking. > I had to take it back to the dealer sveral times to get it corrected. > The workman also had dirty boots on when they put in my sliding rear > window at the same time(still don't know why it didn't come installed > from the factory). I had black smear marks in the cab, behind the bench > seat, and scuff marks along the doors. Another problem is when you > change the oil. Getting to the oil filter will leave you smeared w/ > black undercoating. I've read in different articles that nowadays, w/ > the improvements all the truck makers have done, its not much of a > problem anymore. Pocketing the money needed will make you happy. > Besides, the undercoating folks limit the warranty they'll give you if > you don't have it done right away. > > Hope this helps I this helps at all I just bought a 1999 Ranger and I asked the salesman about undercoating as, over the years, I have always had my new cars and trucks under coated. But remember that was over 20 years ago. He told me that the factory puts a wax like finish on the undersides of all new trucks these days to protect. He further stated that his dealership did not undercoat anything anymore themselves and that if I had to have it I would have to go elsewhere. Remember though I live in California where we don't salt the roads. In addition the salesman told me that the undercoating might not stick very well as the undersides had the wax like finish. Michael == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 11:37:52 -0600 From: "Charles Abraham" Subject: FTE 97up - Dealer Options - are they worth it? Dumb question but need to know. When I finally take delivery on my new '99 Super Duty, I know that before I'm allowed to drive it out the showroom door, the dealer will submit me to a battery of "dealer installed options" he would like to sell me . Are any of them worth buying? I know better than to take the rust proofing and undercoating. But what about a bug guard? Bed liner? Dealer's own extended warranty - not Ford's? Thanks, Charles. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 10:50:13 -0800 From: "Harald" Subject: FTE 97up - Re: tire pressures The 80 psi on the tire is for when you are carrying max weight in the truck. If you run 80 psi in a unloaded truck, you'll wear out the center of the tires and have a harsh ride (although the gas mileage will be better). For unloaded driving, go with 30 to 35 psi. Just make sure to add air when hauling that load of gravel or else the tire will flex too much and then build up much heat which will cause it to blow or fail prematurely. Harald "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -Ben Franklin == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 13:23:13 -0600 From: snarl Subject: FTE 97up - re: Undercoating > Chris Stout wrote: > At the time of purchase, I elected not to get the vehicle > undercoated/rustproofed. Now that I'm stationed in Michigan > where the winters are long and the road salt plentiful, > I'm reconsidering. Would it be wise to get my truck > undercoated/rustproofed? As I understand it, the 5-year rust-through guarantee puts vehicle manufacturers at very little risk. It takes about that long for rust to show on modern double-side-galvanized steel panels, so when it does show up, your warranty has expired. If you are planning to keep your truck longer than the 5-year warranty, I would rust-proof it. My independent rust-proofer offered a lifetime guarantee but only if performed within the first 3000 miles. (I decided to have mine done at about 9,000 miles.) You also have to show up for brief inspections every year. I also had the undercoating done because the frame had lots of surface rust. I don't know if it will help, but it certainly covered up the problem, although I've noticed a patch or two that wants to come off. (I wonder whether mechanics hate working on an undercoated vehicle?) There was no guarantee with the undercoating. Karl Nyhus, Minneapolis, MN 1997 Ford F-150 XL Super Cab, short box, Pacific Green, delivered May of 1997, 4.6L V8(280 cid), 4WD, 3.08 axles, 5-speed manual transmission, LT225/75R16/D Goodyear Wrangler AT/S tires (max 65psi, currently running at 55psi cold) on 16" painted steel wheels, polyknit bench seat, Better Built toolbox, rust-proofed/undercoated, Line-X spray-in liner installation postponed until tomorrow (their sprayer is recovering from unspecified surgery) == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 13:33:49 -0600 From: snarl Subject: FTE 97up - Re: lowering my 4x4 > Chad Royse wrote: > I was worried about my truck fitting into my garage, > also. 80.5" would have been too high for me as well. > I was prepared to see how I could raise the header > of my garage door to make it fit! However, when I got > the truck, it had over an inch of clearance. Glad to hear it fits and is not quite as tall as advertised. Was impressed with Super Cab AND 8' box. Want one myself but not sure of my parking skills with such a long vehicle. Super Cab and 6-1/2' box are plenty challenging for me to parallel park. Karl Nyhus, Minneapolis, MN == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 13:42:48 -0600 From: ywozniak kiwi.dep.anl.gov (Todd Wozniak) Subject: FTE 97up - Re: 97up-list-digest V1 #257 I'm thinking of purchasing a 99 SD 250 CREW CAB with V10 and Short Bed with a 3.73 axle. Are there any bugs in production I should be worried about as I have heard eluded to by some people? Any advice from other SD owners out there? Thanks, Todd Wozniak Former Suburban Owner == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 13:17:28 -0600 From: "Charles Abraham" Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: tire pressures - --------------E364F650BEF6B48E634E6BBF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Everything I've read says that optimum tire pressure is one pound under maximum PSI. It definitely harder riding though, but the tire is said to be safer since it runs cooler; gas mileage also improves due to less resistance in rolling. Why one pound under and not at maximum? My guess is better to be under than over - unless it's winter. Winter is the only exception to this rule. If the vehicle is parked in a heated garage, air pressure must be increased indoors to one pound over maximum. This will help compensate for the drop in air pressure when the vehicle is driven outdoors at cold temperatures. Your right about wearing out the center of the treads, that's exactly what's happened on my tires. Charles. Harald wrote: > The 80 psi on the tire is for when you are carrying max weight in the truck. > If you run 80 psi in a unloaded truck, you'll wear out the center of the > tires and have a harsh ride (although the gas mileage will be better). For > unloaded driving, go with 30 to 35 psi. Just make sure to add air when > hauling that load of gravel or else the tire will flex too much and then > build up much heat which will cause it to blow or fail prematurely. > > Harald > > "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little > temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -Ben Franklin > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html - --------------E364F650BEF6B48E634E6BBF Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Everything I've read says that optimum tire pressure is one pound under maximum PSI. It definitely harder riding though, but the tire is said to be safer since it runs cooler; gas mileage also improves due to less resistance in rolling. Why one pound under and not at maximum? My guess is better to be under than over - unless it's winter. Winter is the only exception to this rule. If the vehicle is parked in a heated garage, air pressure must be increased indoors to one pound over maximum. This will help compensate for the drop in air pressure when the vehicle is driven outdoors at cold temperatures. Your right about wearing out the center of the treads, that's exactly what's happened on my tires. Charles. Harald wrote: The 80 psi on the tire is for when you are carrying max weight in the truck. If you run 80 psi in a unloaded truck, you'll wear out the center of the tires and have a harsh ride (although the gas mileage will be better). For unloaded driving, go with 30 to 35 psi. Just make sure to add air when hauling that load of gravel or else the tire will flex too much and then build up much heat which will cause it to blow or fail prematurely. Harald "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -Ben Franklin == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html - --------------E364F650BEF6B48E634E6BBF-- == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 13:50:34 -0800 From: Ken Peterson Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: tire pressures >Everything I've read says that optimum tire pressure is one pound under >maximum PSI. Love to know who wrote this stuff you read and on what authority. It's baa-a-ad information and defies all common sense! - --------------- Ken Peterson, Portland, OR 1998 F-250LD Lariat, extended cab, short bed, 4X2, 5.4l, class-3 tow options LT245X16/steel rims, 4W disks + ABS, load-leveling rear suspension. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 15:31:24 -0600 From: "Union Auto" Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Dealer Options - are they worth it? Ford has an accessory book for the Super Duty with Retail prices for just about everything. There is not a lot of mark up in these so they aren't bad prices the only exception to this is the bedliner as they have had a few specials lately that you should be able to buy one for under retail. Nathan Bernard Union Auto, Inc. - -----Original Message----- From: Charles Abraham To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com Date: Monday, October 26, 1998 1:01 PM Subject: FTE 97up - Dealer Options - are they worth it? >Dumb question but need to know. When I finally take delivery on my new '99 Super Duty, >I know that before I'm allowed to drive it out the showroom door, the dealer will submit >me to a battery of "dealer installed options" he would like to sell me . Are any of >them worth buying? > >I know better than to take the rust proofing and undercoating. But what about a bug >guard? Bed liner? Dealer's own extended warranty - not Ford's? > >Thanks, > >Charles. > >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 15:32:38 -0600 From: "Charles Abraham" Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: tire pressures Ken, It's been awhile but I'll look around and see if I still have any written articles. I've seen this in print more than once. I recall the subject had appeared in either a popular car magazine (Car and Driver maybe) and several newspapers, in the car section. The part about "increasing tire pressure for winter" is currently on The Tire Rack's home page at "http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.tirerack.com", under "tire tech". But if it's all wrong, I would like to know too! Because I'm driving at this calibration every day. Charles. Ken Peterson wrote: > >Everything I've read says that optimum tire pressure is one pound under > >maximum PSI. > > Love to know who wrote this stuff you read and on what authority. It's > baa-a-ad information and defies all common sense! > --------------- > Ken Peterson, Portland, OR > 1998 F-250LD Lariat, extended cab, short bed, 4X2, 5.4l, class-3 tow options > LT245X16/steel rims, 4W disks + ABS, load-leveling rear suspension. > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 18:15:36 -0000 From: "John R. Mohme" Subject: FTE 97up - Re: Wheels and Tires I replaced 265/75/16's with BFG 295/75/16 AT's on my '99 F-250SD, 2x. Same result, they fit perfectly. The original tires and wheels are for sale, in Riverview, FL. John R. jrmohme gte.net == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 18:19:24 -0500 From: Mark&Christine Wilson Subject: FTE 97up - Dealer undercoating & paint guard, bed liner, and fiberglass lid This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01BE010D.28AA3AC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just ordered a 1999 F150 XLT and I am considering purchasing the = dealer undercoating and paint guard for $349. Is this a good idea since = I live in Michigan? I was reading the recent Union Auto 10/26/98 = message from Charles who made the comment, "I know better than to take = the rust proofing and undercoating", which prompted me to ask naively = why I should not purchase this option. =20 I am also considering purchasing a Rhino Liner instead of the Ford = Duraliner. Is this a good idea? =20 Lastly, I am trying to decide on a fiberglass lid from either Astro or = ARE. Any recommendations? =20 Thanks, =20 Mark - ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01BE010D.28AA3AC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http-equiv=3DContent-Type> I just ordered a 1999 F150 XLT and I = am=20 considering purchasing the dealer undercoating and paint guard for = $349. =20 Is this a good idea since I live in Michigan? color=3D#000000=20 size=3D2>I was reading the recent Union Auto 10/26/98 message from = Charles who=20 made the comment, "I know better than to take the rust proofing and = undercoating", which prompted me to ask naively why I should not = purchase=20 this option. I am also considering purchasing a = Rhino Liner=20 instead of the Ford Duraliner. Is this a good idea? Lastly, I am trying to decide on a = fiberglass=20 lid from either Astro or ARE. Any recommendations? Thanks, size=3D2>Mark - ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01BE010D.28AA3AC0-- == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 17:09:48 -0500 From: fordf-150_4x4 juno.com (Joe E Thomson) Subject: FTE 97up - Humour A hip young man goes out and buys a 1997 Ferrari GTO. It is the best and most expensive car available in the world, costing about $500,000. He takes it out for a spin and while stopping for a red light, an old man on a moped (both looking about 90 years old) pulls up next to him. The old man looks over the sleek, shiny surface of the car and asks, "What kind of car ya' got there, sonny?" The young man replies, "A 1997 Ferrari GTO. They cost about a half million dollars!" "That's a lot of money," says the old man, shocked. "Why does it cost so much?" "Because this car can do up to 320 miles an hour!", states the cool dude proudly. The moped driver asks, "Can I take a look inside?" "Sure," replies the owner. So the old man pokes his head in the window and looks around. Leaning back on his moped, the old man says, "That's a pretty nice car, all right!" Just then the light changes so the guy decides to show the old man what his car can do. He floors it, and within 30 seconds the speedometer reads 320 mph. Suddenly, he notices a dot in his rear view mirror. It seems to be getting closer! He slows down to see what it could be and suddenly, whhhoooossshhh! Something whips by him, going much faster! "What on earth could be going faster than my Ferrari?!" the young man asks himself. Then, ahead of him, he sees a dot coming toward him. Whoooooosh! It goes by again, heading the opposite direction! And it almost looked like the old man on the moped. "Couldn't be," thinks the guy. "How could a moped outrun a Ferrari?!" Again, he sees a dot in his rear view mirror! Whooooosh! Ka-BbblaMMM! It plows into the back of his car, demolishing the rear end. The young man jumps out, and it IS the old man!!! Of course, the moped and the old man are hurtin' for certain. He runs up to the old man and says, "You're badly hurt! Is there anything I can do for you?" The old man moans and replies, "Yes..... Unhook my suspenders from your side-view mirror!" ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 17:17:25 -0500 From: fordf-150_4x4 juno.com (Joe E Thomson) Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Dealer Options - are they worth it? Where is it located? Joe T. Wants Dodge Ram 2500 Cummins Turbo Deisel Quad Cab 4x4 Dark Green OR Dodge Ram 1500 Quad Cab 4x4 Dark Green OR Ford F-150 SuperCab 4x4 Black with 4x4 Off-Road OR Chevrolet Silverado Extendend Cab 4x4 Dark Red with Z71 Off-Road On Mon, 26 Oct 1998 15:31:24 -0600 "Union Auto" writes: >Ford has an accessory book for the Super Duty with Retail prices for >just >about everything. There is not a lot of mark up in these so they >aren't bad >prices the only exception to this is the bedliner as they have had a >few >specials lately that you should be able to buy one for under retail. > >Nathan Bernard >Union Auto, Inc. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Charles Abraham >To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com >Date: Monday, October 26, 1998 1:01 PM >Subject: FTE 97up - Dealer Options - are they worth it? > > >>Dumb question but need to know. When I finally take delivery on my >new '99 >Super Duty, >>I know that before I'm allowed to drive it out the showroom door, the >dealer will submit >>me to a battery of "dealer installed options" he would like to sell >me . >Are any of >>them worth buying? >> >>I know better than to take the rust proofing and undercoating. But >what >about a bug >>guard? Bed liner? Dealer's own extended warranty - not Ford's? >> >>Thanks, >> >>Charles. >> >>== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info >http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info >http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 18:31:48 -0500 From: "Rex Iscariot" Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 4x4 Problem on new '98 Expedition >My daughter recently purchased a new '98 Expedition, and the other day after >driving it through heavy rain with the "4-wheel" drive engaged for the very >first time, she experienced something strange. I was wondering about this myself, on my F-150. I notice that the car doesn't really idle (similar to what you describe, as if the emergency brake were on), and especially in reverse, I need to give it a bit more gas than normal. Is this normal for 4WD? I've never had a 4WD vehicle before. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 18:37:02 -0500 From: "Todd E." Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Undercoating All right let me straighten this whole thing out right here. Undercoating is 100% worthless and a 100% waste of money. Under no circumstances should you get the "undercoating". I have heard that some people feel that it decreases some road noise, but it in no way provides an increase in corrosion protection. Whatever protection it may provide is negated by its ability to retain water, salt and other road deposits, thereby increasing both vehicle weight and corrosive materials. Most dealership aftermarket products are very big money makers for the dealership. Almost all aftermarket items can be purchased from someone besides the dealer and save you money. Even aftermarket warranties are offered by third parties for about 50% cost of dealership warranties. Look up automobile warranties, or go to www.carprice.com, www., www.edmunds.com, or www.kbb.com for more info and links to other warranty providers. Michael D. Sheridan wrote: > Janster wrote: > > > > I had an undercoating put on my 96 F150. It wasn't a good idea. The > > application was done very sloppy. They leaked it into the front right > > brake linings which caused the truck to veer to the right when braking. > > I had to take it back to the dealer sveral times to get it corrected. > > The workman also had dirty boots on when they put in my sliding rear > > window at the same time(still don't know why it didn't come installed > > from the factory). I had black smear marks in the cab, behind the bench > > seat, and scuff marks along the doors. Another problem is when you > > change the oil. Getting to the oil filter will leave you smeared w/ > > black undercoating. I've read in different articles that nowadays, w/ > > the improvements all the truck makers have done, its not much of a > > problem anymore. Pocketing the money needed will make you happy. > > Besides, the undercoating folks limit the warranty they'll give you if > > you don't have it done right away. > > > > Hope this helps > > I this helps at all I just bought a 1999 Ranger and I asked the > salesman about undercoating as, over the years, I have always had > my new cars and trucks under coated. But remember that was over 20 > years ago. > > He told me that the factory puts a wax like finish on the undersides > of all new trucks these days to protect. He further stated that his > dealership did not undercoat anything anymore themselves and that if > I had to have it I would have to go elsewhere. Remember though I live > in California where we don't salt the roads. > > In addition the salesman told me that the undercoating might not stick > very well as the undersides had the wax like finish. > > Michael > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 18:40:43 -0500 From: "Todd E." Subject: Re: FTE 97up - re: Undercoating Undercoating and rustproofing are total wastes of money. You just parted with hard earned money and recieved no actual benefit. Not only that, but covering up the rusty area with undercoating just took away any avenue you may have to correct the problem. Very big mistake. The proper action would have been for you to sand the rust off and repaint the now clean surface. snarl wrote: > > Chris Stout wrote: > > At the time of purchase, I elected not to get the vehicle > > undercoated/rustproofed. Now that I'm stationed in Michigan > > where the winters are long and the road salt plentiful, > > I'm reconsidering. Would it be wise to get my truck > > undercoated/rustproofed? > > As I understand it, the 5-year rust-through guarantee puts vehicle > manufacturers at very little risk. It takes about that long for rust to > show on modern double-side-galvanized steel panels, so when it does show > up, your warranty has expired. If you are planning to keep your truck > longer than the 5-year warranty, I would rust-proof it. My independent > rust-proofer offered a lifetime guarantee but only if performed within > the first 3000 miles. (I decided to have mine done at about 9,000 > miles.) You also have to show up for brief inspections every year. > > I also had the undercoating done because the frame had lots of surface > rust. I don't know if it will help, but it certainly covered up the > problem, although I've noticed a patch or two that wants to come off. (I > wonder whether mechanics hate working on an undercoated vehicle?) There > was no guarantee with the undercoating. > > Karl Nyhus, Minneapolis, MN > 1997 Ford F-150 XL Super Cab, short box, Pacific Green, delivered May of > 1997, 4.6L V8(280 cid), 4WD, 3.08 axles, 5-speed manual transmission, > LT225/75R16/D Goodyear Wrangler AT/S tires (max 65psi, currently running > at 55psi cold) on 16" painted steel wheels, polyknit bench seat, Better > Built toolbox, rust-proofed/undercoated, Line-X spray-in liner > installation postponed until tomorrow (their sprayer is recovering from > unspecified surgery) > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 15:57:48 -0800 (PST) From: Christian Void Subject: FTE 97up - Towing Capacity Help Greets... have a 1998 Ranger XLT 2.5 2wd Standard Cab with the short bed, and want to know what my towing capacity is. Seems I can't find the curb weight anywhere and can't seem to get a good answer as to how much I can tow or have in the truck. Basically what I need to know is, what is the total weight I can haul in the bed, the total weight I can tow, and a combination of the two (i.e. I can haul 1000lbs but can tow 2,000 etc). Thanks in advance. This is all new to me. Christian Void /T71 | "I don't like it, and I'm sorry I | V/M/Research, Inc. cvoid netcom.com | ever had anything to do with it." | P.O. Box 170213 Tel. 1+415-998-0774 | -Erwin Schrodinger (1887-1961) | SF, CA 94117-0213 * PGP v2.3a Public Key Available Via Finger * http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.morphine.com/void/ == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 19:12:17 -0500 From: "T Ciarfello" Subject: FTE 97up - silverado comp[arison One truck driver that delivers vehicles to our dealer said , they had bent the frame on the new silverado by torquing them down on the trailers. One of our mechs said that the frames are thiner == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 16:13:11 PST From: "Dave Burdick" Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Dealer Options - are they worth it? CHARLES, MY NAME IS FRED LOVELL AND I AM A SALES PERSON FOR A FORD STORE IN NEW YORK. THE RUST PROOFING IS MAINLY INTENDED FOR AREAS LIKE MINE THAT GET AN AVARAGE OF 140" INCHES OF SNOW A YEAR AND WHERE THEY USE SALT ON THE ROADS. AS TO THE OTHER STUFF BUG GUARDS AND BED LINERS THEY ARE THERE TO PROTECT THE TRUCKS FINISH. IF YOU DO A LOT OF THE HIGHWAY DRIVING THEN I WOULD SUGGEST THE BUG GUARD THEY ARE IN EXPENSIVE AND ARE A LOT CHEAPER THEN HAVE TO REPAINT YOUR HOOD. BED LINERS ARE AROUND $299 PLUS TAX AND IF YOU PAY MORE THEN THAT I WOULD HAGGLE THEM TO THAT OR FLAT OUT GO ELSE WHERE. THES UNDER THE LIP BEDLINERS ARE GREAT FOR PROTECTING THE BED OF YOUR TRUCK AND I HAVE BEEN USING THAT FOR MY OWN TRUCK. IF THEY OFFER YOU A WARRENTY AND IT IS NOT A FORD ESP WARRENTY DON'T BUY IT. THE FORD WARRENTY IS ACCEPTED AT ANY FORD DEALER NOT JUST YOUR LOCAL DEALER. IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS LET ME KNOW. Fred Lovell Burdick Ford Central Square NY 315-668-7102 burdickford hotmail.com >From owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com Mon Oct 26 15:14:13 1998 >Received: (fordtruc localhost) by ford-trucks.com (8.8.5) id NAA13127; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 13:48:29 -0500 (EST) >Received: from bootstrap.agcs.com (bootstrap.agcs.com [130.131.48.11]) by ford-trucks.com (8.8.5) id NAA12977; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 13:48:16 -0500 (EST) >Received: from pxmhost.agcs.com (pxmhost.agcs.com [130.131.168.10]) > by bootstrap.agcs.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA22887 > for ; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 11:46:09 -0700 (MST) >Posted-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 11:46:09 -0700 (MST) >Received: from gnmail.agcs.com by pxmhost.agcs.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) > id AA04141; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 11:48:13 -0700 >Received: from agcs.com ([130.131.178.101]) by gnmail.agcs.com > (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA30C2 > for ; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 12:46:46 - -0600 >Message-Id: >Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 11:37:52 -0600 >From: "Charles Abraham" >Organization: AG Communication Systems >X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; U) >Mime-Version: 1.0 >To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com >Subject: FTE 97up - Dealer Options - are they worth it? >References: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Sender: owner-97up-list ford-trucks.com >Precedence: bulk >Reply-To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com > >Dumb question but need to know. When I finally take delivery on my new '99 Super Duty, >I know that before I'm allowed to drive it out the showroom door, the dealer will submit >me to a battery of "dealer installed options" he would like to sell me . Are any of >them worth buying? > >I know better than to take the rust proofing and undercoating. But what about a bug >guard? Bed liner? Dealer's own extended warranty - not Ford's? > >Thanks, > >Charles. > >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > > ______________________________________________________ == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 19:32:25 -0500 From: "T Ciarfello" Subject: FTE 97up - undercoating Don't do it. I had to apply that stuff at work a chevy dealer, We tell the sales staff not to sell it,because todays vehicles have anti corrosion panels, It is a waste of money == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 18:44:37 -0500 From: fordf-150_4x4 juno.com (Joe E Thomson) Subject: FTE 97up - PowerStroke Deisel What type of fuel milage would I expect from a deisel in a F-250 Super Duty SuperCab 4x4? What is the normal matinece for a deisel engine? What is the price for this option? How good would it's acceleration be? Joe T. Wants Dodge Ram 2500 Cummins Turbo Deisel Quad Cab 4x4 Dark Green OR Dodge Ram 1500 Quad Cab 4x4 Dark Green OR Ford F-150 SuperCab 4x4 Black with 4x4 Off-Road OR Chevrolet Silverado Extendend Cab 4x4 Dark Red with Z71 Off-Road ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 98 19:51:53 PST From: "Jeff" Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: tire pressures You have to go by the numbers on the tire sidewall, not the door jam. The max load rating embossed on the sidewall is valid only when the tire = is inflated at the max cold inflation psi. BTW, just because one tire has a max inflation psi greater than another = tire doesn't mean it has a higher load capacity. Load capacity is determine by several factors, including tread width, number of plys in = the sidewall, etc. Hence the reason the Firestone Steeltex tires that come OEM on the SD's have a load rating of 3415lbs (for the 265/75's anyway) is due to the 10-ply construction. You can run as low a pressure as you want, as long as the bead still hold= s. This is beneficial for rock-crawling, where 4 wheelers often air down to 10 psi or less. Realize if your carrying a load (and the truck empty is quite a load by = itself) or traveling at highway speeds, you want more psi to prevent overheating (for the reasons aptly stated = by Harald previously) which may result in premature tire failure, i.e. blowout. Jeff == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 18:56:24 -0500 From: fordf-150_4x4 juno.com (Joe E Thomson) Subject: FTE 97up - ATTN: Fred Lovell I have a few good questions for you. Is Ford ever going to put a Full-time 4x4 system in any of the F-Series trucks? How reliable is the electronic transfer case in the F-Series trucks? Is the manual transfer case shift-on-the-fly? How reliable are the PowerStroke Deisels? What type of normal matienice do they need? How much does it cost compared to a gasoline powered engine? What type of truck do you have? Specs and MSRP, and price payed as well, please. Oh, my Grandma's relatives own a Ford dealership in Newberry, Michigan. Would I be able to get a discount from this? Joe T. Wants Dodge Ram 2500 Cummins Turbo Deisel Quad Cab 4x4 Dark Green OR Dodge Ram 1500 Quad Cab 4x4 Dark Green OR Ford F-150 SuperCab 4x4 Black with 4x4 Off-Road OR Chevrolet Silverado Extendend Cab 4x4 Dark Red with Z71 Off-Road ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 98 19:57:02 PST From: "Jeff" Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Dealer undercoating & paint guard, bed liner, and fiberglass lid The ARE's are nice. If you get the recessed window option, they'll look = just the the rear quarter glass on the '99 SC model. Not familiar w/the other brand you mentioned. I definately recommend a spayed in bedliner as opposed to drop-in. I hav= e Rhino, but I think all the commercially applied brands are similar. The problems w/the drop= - -in are: 1. They are very slick, and anything you put in back will slide all = over the place (N/A with Rhino) 2. They build static electricity, which can be fatal mixed with a pla= stic gasoline storage container. Jeff == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 98 20:01:27 PST From: "Jeff" Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Re: Wheels and Tires How did you manage to get your hands on 295/75R16 BFG AT's? They've been= on national backorder for months now and I was told I couldn't get any 'til December. I said screw it and bought Bridgestone's new Dueler AT's w/ UNI-T (285/75= R16) and love 'em. Bonus, you get a free hand-held GPS (Magellen) for free with purchase of 4. Jeff == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 21:25:49 EST From: Condit aol.com Subject: FTE 97up - Bed covers 97 up-list postmaster: I sent this message the other day (last Thursday, I believe), but I have not seen it posted. Did I send it in wrong? What should I do to make sure it is posted on the forum? If nothing else, I hope you will post it now. Thanks. Don Condit I just bought a '99 F-150 Super Cab with a short bed. I'd like to have a hard shell cover for the bed, one that locks. Can anyone recommend a cover that opens widely and is not so heavy that it would be awkward for my wife and I to handle. Also, how difficult is the installation? Does it simply bolt to existing holes or fasteners in the truck? Thanks for your advice! Don Condit == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 07:52:12 -0700 From: geoff campbell Subject: Re: FTE 97up - tire pressures? I like it a lot and i got rid of the truck you want to get it. The Powerstroke seems to have about 25% more power for a 1 mpg hit at the pump. Drives much more like a gas engine as well. Geoff Campbell 1999 PSD 250SD Crew Cab Joe E Thomson wrote: > How do you like your Powerstroke Dielsel? > > Joe T. > Wants Dodge Ram 2500 Cummins Turbo Deisel Quad Cab 4x4 Dark Green OR > Dodge Ram 1500 Quad Cab 4x4 Dark Green OR > Ford F-150 SuperCab 4x4 Black with 4x4 Off-Road OR > Chevrolet Silverado Extendend Cab 4x4 Dark Red with Z71 Off-Road > > On Mon, 12 Oct 1998 10:13:46 -0700 geoff campbell > writes: > >The fuel seperator valve is a red handle right under the plastic > >thing in the > >center of the engine that says 7.3 liter. Right smack in the middle of > >the > >engine. > > > >Geoff Campbell > >99 PSD 250SD Crew cab > > > >Robert & Julie Legates wrote: > > > >> I have a 99 F250 super duty ,super cab with the power stroke, the > >truck > >> came with 16 inch steeltex radials on alum. rims.The tires say 80 > >psi. that > >> seems pretty high for cruising around with nothing in the bed. What > >is > >> everybody else running in their tires? I pull a 6,000 lb. camper > >from time > >> to time. > >> Also I cannot find the fuel/water seperator drain valve, when I > >look over > >> the front passenger tire I can see a short metal tube but can't see > >where > >> it goes. Any help on these issues would be appreciated. > >> > >> Thanks > >> Bob (love that diesel) Legates > >> == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info > >http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > > > > > > > >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info > >http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html > or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 22:34:18 -0500 From: Jean Marc Chartier Subject: Re: FTE 97up - 4x4 Problem on new '98 Expedition - --------------BCDD9FD9040C74A435AD1BA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Charles Abraham wrote: > My daughter recently purchased a new '98 Expedition, and the other day after > driving it through heavy rain with the "4-wheel" drive engaged for the very > first time, she experienced something strange. After parking the vehicle for > about a half hour, when she went to back out of the parking space - wheels cut > all the way, the truck seemed resistant on moving. Almost as if the emergency > brake was on, which it wasn't. The same thing again happened later that day, so > she switched off the 4-wheel drive and hasn't used it since..... To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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