97up-list-digest Sunday, October 18 1998 Volume 01 : Number 249



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In this issue:

FTE 97up - Putting a subwoofer in a 97 F150 Ext Cab
Re: FTE 97up - differential
FTE 97up - Re: 97up-list-digest
FTE 97up - Camper shell For Ranger
Re: FTE 97up - Magnetic Oil Plugs?
FTE 97up - Auto-trans chageout volume
Re: FTE 97up - Auto-trans chageout volume
FTE 97up - ADMIN: Web site updates
FTE 97up - Chevy on a hook. . .
Re: FTE 97up - differential
Re: FTE 97up - Camper shell For Ranger
Re: FTE 97up - differential

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Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 07:58:47 -0700
From: Jay Murphy
Subject: FTE 97up - Putting a subwoofer in a 97 F150 Ext Cab

Has anyone seen a reasonably priced ($200-$300) subwoofer that fits a 97
F150 extended cab? The only ones I've found (at Crutchfield) end up being
$500 when you buy a box that fits under the rear seat, the speaker to go in
it, and an amplifier to power the thing. I have the factory 6 CD changer - a
Clarion I think.

Any advice is appreciated.

Jay Murphy
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Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 11:08:14 -0400
From: Jean Marc Chartier
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - differential

Union Auto wrote:

> I haven't checked on a SD but on everything else the vent runs up and then
> bends downward to create an air lock to prevent water from coming in if
> submerged. It is just rubber tubing so if you wanted to extend it upwards I
> don't think it would be a problem (but but the arch in it just incase you
> should hit really deep water)
>
> Nathan
>

I have heard that when the differential is hot (from towing, or off roading) and
you hit water the suction created from the hot air to cold ater will suck it
water regardless of the bend in the tube. My F-150 has a tube that runs up to
the hight of the pick up bed. I should realy run it up higher,, but the lease
is up next month so I will do it to the next one.



Regards

Jean Marc Chartier

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Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 10:22:06 -0700
From: Rod Loewen
Subject: FTE 97up - Re: 97up-list-digest

I've been reading this list for a long time and this is my first post.
I'm not great at computers. I run a 97 HD F250 PSD SC SB and love it. I
put 100,000 rough oil patch miles on it and its in great shape so I
retired it to pull our 32' 5th wheel. The short box works great with a
slider hitch for more cornering clearance if needed. I had previously
changed Ford's turbo pipe for a full 3.5" and up to 4" to the back.
Because of our location, I've eliminated the converter and muffler, too.
Its not subtle but not as noisy as I expected. Although not unhappy with
the improvements in power, I decided to bite the bullet and put a BD
performance chip in as well. $700 canadian, eh!! But the best money I've
ever spent on performance. I've picked up a gear on all the major hills
and mileage is a consistent 12 to 14 with a GCVW of just under 20,000
pounds at 60 to 70 mph. With 4.10 gears it runs around 19 to 21 mpg
empty. Also using a K&N air filter and an engine guard prelube pump.
I've just replaced front brake pads and the rear shoes are still
original. This truck has been amazingly reliable with no down time and
no irritating small problems. What can I say? We have three Ford trucks
and love them all but this one has been the best. I'll stop now!
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Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 10:46:38 -0700
From: "Michael D. Sheridan"
Subject: FTE 97up - Camper shell For Ranger

Folks:

I am buying a new Ranger which has the sliding
rear window and what I need to know is what is the
best camper shell to get that will seal well
and have another sliding window in it so I can
let the air conditioning (Live in HOT Central
Valley of California) go back from the cab to
the camper shell.

Any special brands to look for or any built in
problems here?

Thanking you in advance,

Michael
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Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 10:28:55 -0700
From: Ken Peterson
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Magnetic Oil Plugs?

>>Magnet removes metal from oil and protects engine.

>>I've seen a couple of references in this forum to magnetic oil plugs.
>>Are these plugs to replace the threaded drain plug in the oil pan? If
>>so, will someone explain the advantage.
>>
>
>It performs the same function as the magnet found in the bottom of
>most transmission pans. It catches any metal particles that come
>its way.

I see the value of magnetic drain plugs on assemblies that have no adequate
filtering (many manual transmissions), but on an engine it seems to me to
just give the additional satisfaction of seeing the metal particles that
would be otherwise trapped by an excellent filter.

Use it if it pleases you; can't do any harm. (Even the auto trans has a
flow-thru filter, and changing it at 10,000 miles or so and putting in a
good synthetic is good prevention.)

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Ken Peterson, Portland, OR
1998 F-250LD Lariat, extended cab, short bed, 4X2, 5.4l, class-3 tow options
LT245X16/steel rims, 4W disks + ABS, load-leveling rear suspension.
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Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 10:45:13 -0700
From: Ken Peterson
Subject: FTE 97up - Auto-trans chageout volume

Having treated other vehicles I own to fine synthetic lubes, with fine
results, I want to exchange the lube in my E4OD auto with Red Line ATF.

There is this problem with how many changes it takes to get, say, below 15
or 20% original oil. The capacity is listed as 16 quarts. But what drains
out on a change?

The dealerships I've asked are real dumb about this; some aren't even aware
that there's a drain plug for the torque converter! (I have the %$#&!!
expensive shop-manual set.)

Does anyone have good information on the changeout volume for (a) pulling
the pan and changing the filter, plus (b) draining the torque converter? If
it's 11-12 quarts or so, then two changes would be okay with me. I'll pay a
dealer to do the work -- ah, that is if they seem to know what's up.

(Yeah, I know: that's two cases of expensive oil. I see it as cheap
insurance, as I do all fine lubricants. The Red Line ATF I put into my
Subaru Legacy *transformed* the behavior of its auto-trans, especially in
cold weather!)

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Ken Peterson, Portland, OR
1998 F-250LD Lariat, extended cab, short bed, 4X2, 5.4l, class-3 tow options
LT245X16/steel rims, 4W disks + ABS, load-leveling rear suspension.
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Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 15:05:02 EDT
From: RAMWORKER aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Auto-trans chageout volume

Hi Ken,

There are places that can flush your automatic completely. The equipment is
expensive, and most places are not investing in it. But, if I recall
correctly, here in the D/FW Metroplex, Firestone has them. Anybody remember
for sure? They were running radio ads a few months ago, but I haven't heard
one lately.

Best Regards,
Robert

In a message dated 10/17/98 1:00:57 PM Central Daylight Time, kmp imagina.com
writes:

> Does anyone have good information on the changeout volume for (a) pulling
> the pan and changing the filter, plus (b) draining the torque converter? If
> it's 11-12 quarts or so, then two changes would be okay with me. I'll pay a
> dealer to do the work -- ah, that is if they seem to know what's up.
>
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Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 17:36:44 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 97up - ADMIN: Web site updates

1. Clifford Performance added to Misc. Vehicles sites in links section.
2. Pictorial additions:
1950 F1
1953 F100
1959 F100
1967 F100
1977 F150
1979 F150
1983 F150
1985 F150
1987 F150 XLT
1998 F150 XL
1998 Ranger
1999 F250 SD
1999 F250 SD
3. Hydraulic Clutch Troubleshooting added to articles section.

Later,
Ken Payne
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com

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Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 18:11:25 EDT
From: MRoadarDOJ aol.com
Subject: FTE 97up - Chevy on a hook. . .

I know it's not polite to gloat, but a friend of mine called this afternoon.
He had been pulling a trailer (twin axle loaded with equipment from the church
bank) with his Chevy Suburban but the Suburban tranny apparently died (after
only about 1/2 mile) and he was stuck by the side of the road. By the time I
got there, he had managed to get going enough that he was able to coast down
hill and into the parking lot where the trailer stays. He decided to drive
the Suburban to the Chevy dealership and leave it with them to be serviced. I
offered to follow him which was a good thing - he only got about 100 yards
when the tranny went completely leaving him on a main highway. I got a chain
from the back of my truck (new 1999 F-350 crewcab, SRW, V-10 for anyone who
has forgotten) and towed him about three miles. The look on the faces of the
fifteen or so salesmen standing in the front of the dealership as my black
F-350 pulled in the dead Chevy was just priceless.
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Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 19:38:49 EDT
From: BLUESKY636 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - differential

In a message dated 10/17/1998 11:09:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
jmc.chartier sympatico.ca writes:


roading) and
you hit water the suction created from the hot air to cold ater will suck it
water regardless of the bend in the tube. >>

This is true only if you come to a STOP in the water. Then the pressure
differential will suck water into the front/rear end. If you are able to keep
moving the differential is essentially pressurized from the inside and will
keep water out. Otherwise, why would the differential need to be vented? You
could seal it up tight. Not a good thing in the real world.

Bill and Deb Haegele and Betsy and Oliver (The Fourwheeling Puppies)

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Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 22:05:54 -0600
From: "Matt Adams"
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - Camper shell For Ranger

Im not sure how it would look on a ranger, but I have a snugtop hi-liner on
my f-150. It laps over the grey side guards, for a great contoured luck.
There is little space between the cab and the window of the topper (for
great ventilation, but a pain to clean). It was one of the more expensive
toppers on the market, but well worth it in my opinion.

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From: Michael D. Sheridan
To: 97up-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Saturday, October 17, 1998 11:56 AM
Subject: FTE 97up - Camper shell For Ranger


>Folks:
>
>I am buying a new Ranger which has the sliding
>rear window and what I need to know is what is the
>best camper shell to get that will seal well
>and have another sliding window in it so I can
>let the air conditioning (Live in HOT Central
>Valley of California) go back from the cab to
>the camper shell.
>
>Any special brands to look for or any built in
>problems here?
>
>Thanking you in advance,
>

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Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 21:34:21 -0700
From: Ken Peterson
Subject: Re: FTE 97up - differential

>If you are able to keep
>moving the differential is essentially pressurized from the inside and will
>keep water out.

I find this hard to believe. What mechanism is pressurizing it, and where
does the pressurizing air come from?

Once immersed, it cools off rapidly, moving or not, and sucks in water.

I would guess the gearbox has to be vented because during assembly it is at
"room" temperature and also contains lots of air. If it were sealed at
assembly, then, when hot, there would be unnecessary pressure on the seals
from the expanded air, perhaps adding a leak risk -- an additional design
problem for the seals.

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Ken Peterson, Portland, OR
1998 F-250LD Lariat, extended cab, short bed, 4X2, 5.4l, class-3 tow options....


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